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2012-04-14 08:04:35 AM

FuryOfFirestorm: muck4doo: And like a Pharisee, you ask stupid questions. Yes, there really are stupid questions. They are asked by stupid people.

How is asking you to prove why your religion more valid than another a stupid question?


Prove to me that nothing came out of nowhere and made a big bang. Prove it!
 
2012-04-14 08:07:41 AM

Ted Kennedy's Brain Tumor: muck4doo: Ted Kennedy's Brain Tumor: muck4doo: Best we leave it to those without morals to lead.

Sarcasm aside, I'd rather be led by an honest man than a hypocrite and liar.

I find myself saying the same thing. Your honest man tends to be a liar and hypocrite in my eyes. Go ahead. Throw John Kerry at me again.

Of course, I did not nor would I have ever voted for Mr. Kerry and his sleaze-bag of Vice Presidential nominee. Considering I've voted straight ticket Republican from '04 onwards (as I have little use for the socioeconomic panders of the left), I find this assertion amusing. You mistake my disinterest in social conservatism for liberal advocacy, good sir. Why would I have this account (aside trolling) were I an avowed Democrat?


I'm a Republican, and was going to vote Obama if sanitorium got nominated. I'll see what mittens has to say.

/Would love to hear more Mormons in the New World with the Olmecs stuff.
//I like that stuff.
 
2012-04-14 08:09:07 AM
I think a lot of people (like myself) who didn't have very strong beliefs to begin with, and then are confronted by the fundies, start thinking about what it is they've just vaguely, mindlessly believed all their lives and come to the conclusion that it's a bunch of bullshiat.

Whether or not there is a higher power is a different question, but it seems irrelevant to daily life.
 
2012-04-14 08:10:22 AM
So the only reason those who fear God behave is fear? Who is more moral... the believer that does good out of fear, or the non-believer who does good because they have compassion? Given my choice, I'll go with the non-believer... and I'm a deist.
 
2012-04-14 08:11:31 AM

muck4doo: FuryOfFirestorm: muck4doo: And like a Pharisee, you ask stupid questions. Yes, there really are stupid questions. They are asked by stupid people.

How is asking you to prove why your religion more valid than another a stupid question?

Prove to me that nothing came out of nowhere and made a big bang. Prove it!


Link (new window)
The universe is expanding which gives credence to the big bang theory. While not a slam-dunk it's more proof than you can offer for the existence of an invisible man in space. Give one piece of actual evidence for your silly fantasy world and my heathen ass will whole-heartedly convert.
 
2012-04-14 08:13:36 AM

muck4doo: FuryOfFirestorm: muck4doo: And like a Pharisee, you ask stupid questions. Yes, there really are stupid questions. They are asked by stupid people.

How is asking you to prove why your religion more valid than another a stupid question?

Prove to me that nothing came out of nowhere and made a big bang. Prove it!


Which is just as easy as proving that God came out of nowhere and always existed.

Just because I don't believe in God doesn't mean I know the origin of everything, nor do I claim to. To do that, I'd need, you know...what is it called again? Oh yes, PROOF!
 
2012-04-14 08:13:43 AM

muck4doo: I'm a Republican, and was going to vote Obama if sanitorium got nominated. I'll see what mittens has to say.

/Would love to hear more Mormons in the New World with the Olmecs stuff.
//I like that stuff.


I too am distraught, though I've largely regarded this as a sacrificial lamb of Presidential nominees from the get-go. Rick Santorum would have been simply awful and yet I feel no better going forward with Mr. Romney; portions of that are because he's an opportunistic career-politician and ... as much as I wish it weren't the case, Mormonism is just weird, man. I don't need my President honestly believing Jesus and the Israelites fought wars of conquest against Native Americans. It's just ... yeah.
 
2012-04-14 08:13:45 AM
Because the old excuses that religion trots out no longer work for the average person.

Your boss stabbed you in the back and got a raise in the process? Religion will tell you that he'll eventually get his comeuppance from the Almighty. Reality will show you that your boss will be rewarded in this life for being treacherous.

Your husband leaves you for a younger/prettier woman? Religion will tell you that he's secretly unhappy and possessed by the devil. Reality will show you that he's happier now because he's just indulging natural male instinct.

Etc etc ad infinitum.

I suppose religion made life easier and people more productive for a long time by providing answers to the seemingly limitless cruelty that humans inflict upon each each other. Maybe believing that all of this is part of some "grand plan" helps people sleep at night.

But I have to believe that the accelerating spread of information is only going to hasten religion's demise; the realities of the world we've managed to create are unignorable and my guess is that people are going to increasingly demand logical solutions to our very real problems.

I don't think it's a coincidence that some of the best educated countries on our planet also have the highest rates of atheism.
 
2012-04-14 08:13:51 AM

AISI: So the only reason those who fear God behave is fear? Who is more moral... the believer that does good out of fear, or the non-believer who does good because they have compassion? Given my choice, I'll go with the non-believer... and I'm a deist.


It's not supposed to be grandma spanks you with hot wheel tracks type fear, rather more just respect. Like being in the pen yo. You respect your homies, they respect you. If they don't, that's a serious beat down.
 
2012-04-14 08:15:20 AM

ordinarysteve: muck4doo: FuryOfFirestorm: muck4doo: And like a Pharisee, you ask stupid questions. Yes, there really are stupid questions. They are asked by stupid people.

How is asking you to prove why your religion more valid than another a stupid question?

Prove to me that nothing came out of nowhere and made a big bang. Prove it!

Link (new window)
The universe is expanding which gives credence to the big bang theory. While not a slam-dunk it's more proof than you can offer for the existence of an invisible man in space. Give one piece of actual evidence for your silly fantasy world and my heathen ass will whole-heartedly convert.


Oh look. Someone who thinks his fantasy make believe beginning must be the truth. How cute.
 
2012-04-14 08:16:18 AM

FuryOfFirestorm: Which is just as easy as proving that God came out of nowhere and always existed.


You're getting it now.
 
2012-04-14 08:19:20 AM

Ted Kennedy's Brain Tumor: muck4doo: I'm a Republican, and was going to vote Obama if sanitorium got nominated. I'll see what mittens has to say.

/Would love to hear more Mormons in the New World with the Olmecs stuff.
//I like that stuff.

I too am distraught, though I've largely regarded this as a sacrificial lamb of Presidential nominees from the get-go. Rick Santorum would have been simply awful and yet I feel no better going forward with Mr. Romney; portions of that are because he's an opportunistic career-politician and ... as much as I wish it weren't the case, Mormonism is just weird, man. I don't need my President honestly believing Jesus and the Israelites fought wars of conquest against Native Americans. It's just ... yeah.


Where you see "bleh", I see possible adventure. :)
 
2012-04-14 08:20:16 AM

contrapunctus: Because the old excuses that religion trots out no longer work for the average person.

Your boss stabbed you in the back and got a raise in the process? Religion will tell you that he'll eventually get his comeuppance from the Almighty. Reality will show you that your boss will be rewarded in this life for being treacherous.

Your husband leaves you for a younger/prettier woman? Religion will tell you that he's secretly unhappy and possessed by the devil. Reality will show you that he's happier now because he's just indulging natural male instinct.

Etc etc ad infinitum.

I suppose religion made life easier and people more productive for a long time by providing answers to the seemingly limitless cruelty that humans inflict upon each each other. Maybe believing that all of this is part of some "grand plan" helps people sleep at night.

But I have to believe that the accelerating spread of information is only going to hasten religion's demise; the realities of the world we've managed to create are unignorable and my guess is that people are going to increasingly demand logical solutions to our very real problems.

I don't think it's a coincidence that some of the best educated countries on our planet also have the highest rates of atheism.


I'm in agreement, largely. The explanations for injustice and various social ills are simply no longer adequate. Whether or not they receive due punishment in some vague afterlife does little to appease the great sense of having been wronged or exploited in the present; especially when many of these individuals are held in high esteem by those who consider themselves (or worse, are considered by their peers) to be upstanding citizens in the eyes of the Church or whatever respective religious institution. The explanations simply aren't sufficient in an age of mass communication.
 
2012-04-14 08:21:44 AM

muck4doo: ordinarysteve: muck4doo: FuryOfFirestorm: muck4doo: And like a Pharisee, you ask stupid questions. Yes, there really are stupid questions. They are asked by stupid people.

How is asking you to prove why your religion more valid than another a stupid question?

Prove to me that nothing came out of nowhere and made a big bang. Prove it!

Link (new window)
The universe is expanding which gives credence to the big bang theory. While not a slam-dunk it's more proof than you can offer for the existence of an invisible man in space. Give one piece of actual evidence for your silly fantasy world and my heathen ass will whole-heartedly convert.

Oh look. Someone who thinks his fantasy make believe beginning must be the truth. How cute.


Great Rebuttal! You must be a lawyer with such a stellar argument. So any proof? You've had 3000 years to prove the existence of YHWH so I'm sure you have some evidence.
 
2012-04-14 08:23:16 AM
for me, it was

a) a realization that you don't need god to explain the unexplained
b) a realization that a great deal of man's misery through the ages can be blamed on religion
c) a realization that a great many of the religious people i see today are hypocritical assholes
 
2012-04-14 08:23:21 AM

muck4doo: AISI: So the only reason those who fear God behave is fear? Who is more moral... the believer that does good out of fear, or the non-believer who does good because they have compassion? Given my choice, I'll go with the non-believer... and I'm a deist.

It's not supposed to be grandma spanks you with hot wheel tracks type fear, rather more just respect. Like being in the pen yo. You respect your homies, they respect you. If they don't, that's a serious beat down.


Now there's absolutely no doubt that you are trolling. That was nothing more than thinly veiled racism. Way to be a shining example of Christianity. The more you prattle on in here, the weakeryour case becomes. Better stop now before you destroy religion completely.
 
2012-04-14 08:23:55 AM

muck4doo: Where you see "bleh", I see possible adventure. :)


I'm hedging my bets: I suspect, by simple arithmetic of having to defend far more seats than the Republicans, there will be a narrowing in the control of the Senate (if not an outright switch over to Republican control). Likewise, I envision Republicans will maintain control of the House--though probably with a reduced majority. In so far as the Presidency is concerned, I feel it's a lost cause; none of the candidates appear up to the task and while Mr. Romney is perhaps the least deplorable of the actual contenders, he's still not someone I would eagerly task with unseating President Obama. But hey, there's always 2016! Woo, Rubio!
 
2012-04-14 08:27:41 AM

muck4doo: FuryOfFirestorm: Which is just as easy as proving that God came out of nowhere and always existed.

You're getting it now.


Also, for the sake of lulz, how old do you believe the universe/Earth are?
 
2012-04-14 08:29:21 AM

FuryOfFirestorm: muck4doo: AISI: So the only reason those who fear God behave is fear? Who is more moral... the believer that does good out of fear, or the non-believer who does good because they have compassion? Given my choice, I'll go with the non-believer... and I'm a deist.

It's not supposed to be grandma spanks you with hot wheel tracks type fear, rather more just respect. Like being in the pen yo. You respect your homies, they respect you. If they don't, that's a serious beat down.

Now there's absolutely no doubt that you are trolling. That was nothing more than thinly veiled racism. Way to be a shining example of Christianity. The more you prattle on in here, the weakeryour case becomes. Better stop now before you destroy religion completely.


While it's an idiotic analogy, I'm trying to figure out who it is racist against? Latino gangbangers?
 
2012-04-14 08:29:26 AM

Ted Kennedy's Brain Tumor: contrapunctus: Because the old excuses that religion trots out no longer work for the average person.

Your boss stabbed you in the back and got a raise in the process? Religion will tell you that he'll eventually get his comeuppance from the Almighty. Reality will show you that your boss will be rewarded in this life for being treacherous.

Your husband leaves you for a younger/prettier woman? Religion will tell you that he's secretly unhappy and possessed by the devil. Reality will show you that he's happier now because he's just indulging natural male instinct.

Etc etc ad infinitum.

I suppose religion made life easier and people more productive for a long time by providing answers to the seemingly limitless cruelty that humans inflict upon each each other. Maybe believing that all of this is part of some "grand plan" helps people sleep at night.

But I have to believe that the accelerating spread of information is only going to hasten religion's demise; the realities of the world we've managed to create are unignorable and my guess is that people are going to increasingly demand logical solutions to our very real problems.

I don't think it's a coincidence that some of the best educated countries on our planet also have the highest rates of atheism.

I'm in agreement, largely. The explanations for injustice and various social ills are simply no longer adequate. Whether or not they receive due punishment in some vague afterlife does little to appease the great sense of having been wronged or exploited in the present; especially when many of these individuals are held in high esteem by those who consider themselves (or worse, are considered by their peers) to be upstanding citizens in the eyes of the Church or whatever respective religious institution. The explanations simply aren't sufficient in an age of mass communication.


Who ever said God or the gods had to make sense to you in their judgments? Have you ever read the Greek stories of the gods? They(He) reward who they please, regardless of morals. David had the Hittite killed so he could steal his wife. Yes, he was punished for being a douche, but he was still the most loved by GOD in all of Israel. Zeus and other greek gods always rewarded their favorites even though they were the biggest douches walking the land. Go back further to Sumer and it was the same thing with Enlil and Enki. Gilgamesh was like Big Ben walking the town at night and rape rape rape. The gods blessed him. Is that fair? No. But.......wait for it.......it is....wait for it......what it is. :)
 
2012-04-14 08:29:33 AM
An old cowboy found himself walking his horse on the trail one day. He looked to his right and he stopped, and realized that the horse next to him was that big black Hanoverian crossbreed that he'd ridden in the war. The smartest, bravest horse he'd ever had. The horse he'd broke himself when he was only 14.
"Rugger, old friend, I don't know what you're doing here, but I'm glad to see you again."
Rugger nosed him back, whickered and nodded his head.
The cowboy looked down the trail and heard a rustle in the brush to his left. A tail appeared in the tall grass, then another, and another. As the tails made their way through the grass and approached him he realized that each tail was attached to the dogs he'd had over his lifetime. There, old John. That yellow lab he'd had as a boy. Who'd killed a copperhead snake and taken a bite in the neck while they were on a rabbit hunt the year before he'd joined the Army. There, Chibo, the brown Mexican hound his son had found somewhere as a pup and brought home and hadn't left his side for 12 years. There, Max, the black and gray mutt that Doc Nilsson's daughter brought to his house as a pup and handed to him a few months after his wife had died and had sat at his feet for 15 years. "My ma said she thinks you could use a friend" She'd said.
The cowboy began to understand.
"Well boys, looks like we've got a trail to ride."
The dogs all looked up at him, tongues out and started wagging their tails. Rugger whickered again, and nosed under his arm. He climbed into the saddle, and they started down the trail.
After a time, they came to a large gate. Fine it was, sparkling gold, and huge. Behind it was a great white vastness, strange music emanating from somewhere in the distance. A tall handsome man in fine clothing was standing next to it.
The cowboy dismounted, holding the reins he approached the man.
"Is this heaven?" he asked.
"Why it certainly is," the man smiled. "You are most welcome to enter."
The gate swung wide, and as the cowboy passed through the gate, he realized the Horse and the dogs would not follow him.
"C'mon," the cowboy said.
The dogs whined at him, and refused to move.
"C'mon you dummies, this is it."
Rugger whickered and bobbed his head up and down, stomping his foot and flicking his tail back and forth, refusing to follow.
The cowboy looked at the smiling man, and asked, "What is wrong with them?"
"Animals are not allowed to pass through this gate." The man said. "This is a place of rest, and eternal peace. Animals cannot know either. They cannot know life, or death. They are merely animals and have no place here."
The cowboy thought for a few seconds.
"To hell with that." He said, and walked back to Rugger's side.
"So you've decided?" the man asked him.
"I'm not going anywhere without m'dogs," the cowboy told him, and mounted the saddle.
As he rode away, the gate shut with a loud bang.
"Well, what are we going to do now?" he asked the dogs. "They won't let us in."
The dogs barked, and ran ahead and behind, sniffing at bushes and disappearing for short periods and returning to circle horse and rider before running ahead again. Thunder sounded in the distance behind him. Drops of rain began to rattle his hat and a chill breeze blew through his shirt. He pulled his coat tight around him. Pensively watching the back of Rugger's head as it swayed back and forth with the pace of the trail. The cowboy reflected on this, remembering another storm, another trail, when he and Rugger found themselves alone. The sky grew dark, and the wind increased. The rain began to fall in earnest and he pulled his coat in around him even tighter.
After a long time, around another bend, the cowboy came upon another gate. Rusting, leaning at an angle on it's hinges, a few tumbleweeds leaning heavily on the front, and a small, homely man sitting on an old stool under a tree with a jug between his feet.
"Welcome." the man said.
"I passed the golden gate," the cowboy said. "They wouldn't let me through unless I left my dogs and my horse behind."
"That is understandable," said the man and reached down for the jug. "they don't cotton much to animals up there." Hooking his thumb into the handle and tipping it back over his arm, he took a long pull and then handed it to the cowboy. The cowboy considered for a second, then took the jug.
As he drank the little man said: "This is the last gate y'know. There ain't no more."
"Yeah, I figgered," the cowboy said. "I dunno what I coulda done to end up here. I ain't been no saint I know, but I tried to live my life as best I could."
"Don't we all?" The little man asked.
"I dunno." The cowboy answered. "Seems like a lotta folks don't seem to care much about how they treat folks."
"Thats a fact." The little man answered and turned to unlock the gate. "But your dogs and your horse are welcome here. There's a livery up the road, and th' saloons just past that on the corner."
"I ain't never been a religious man." The cowboy told him.
"That doesn't concern us," the little man replied. "The life you led brought you here. The choice was yours to make."
The gate opened, and the dogs ran through, barking and leapfrogging each other. A rabbit ran across the trail and the dogs all took after it, howling and barking. As they ran around a turn in the trail the cowboy watched them go.
"They'll be back." the little man said. "There's rabbits all over the place. You best be gettin on to that livery. That horse looks like he's had a hellava trail."
"Yeah." the cowboy said. "We both have."
As he walked past the little man he stopped, and asked, "What is this place?"
"Why, this is heaven." The man said.
"How can I know for sure?" The cowboy asked him.
"You think that we'd let anyone in who'd leave his friends?" The man answered.
 
2012-04-14 08:30:40 AM

doglover: simsite9: That's well put.

I don't mind people who believe things. I do mind people who feel the need to tell me what the believe constantly. Even moreso, I detest people who can't just buck up and deal with things like "In God We Trust" on money in a nation whose every President has been a Christian for 200 years. Seriously, you're not winning any friends trying to get that removed. Even other atheists don't like you for it.

And Creationists! Those tards are insufferable. Christianity is a new religion. We know there were other religions before it with their own creation myths, gods, and adherents. The book of genesis is an ALLEGORY. It's predated by many other religions. It's never been considered actual fact. God's "seven days" could be eons and eons each because they're metaphors. Anyone who thinks otherwise has been asleep in Sunday school.


I agree on both counts. The number one question I ask is this: What is time to God? I'm sure fathers have exaggerated to their kids on a subject, why not God? Better yet, put something in terms we can understand (at the time the Old Testament was written), and instead of hearing several hundred million years (give or take a few), you say six days. With this in mind, Creationists are very wrong.

As far as athiests, I have no issues with them whatsoever. Of course, I have no issues with science, as it can easily explain the how and with what, or even with who. Just remember, we are not considered a truly secular nation (that's France), and some things might not go your way. Of course, same goes for Christians, Wiccans, Buddhists, Muslims, Jews, etc. We are here together, try instead to find common ground instead of fighting each other.
 
2012-04-14 08:31:11 AM

jingks: FuryOfFirestorm: muck4doo: AISI: So the only reason those who fear God behave is fear? Who is more moral... the believer that does good out of fear, or the non-believer who does good because they have compassion? Given my choice, I'll go with the non-believer... and I'm a deist.

It's not supposed to be grandma spanks you with hot wheel tracks type fear, rather more just respect. Like being in the pen yo. You respect your homies, they respect you. If they don't, that's a serious beat down.

Now there's absolutely no doubt that you are trolling. That was nothing more than thinly veiled racism. Way to be a shining example of Christianity. The more you prattle on in here, the weakeryour case becomes. Better stop now before you destroy religion completely.

While it's an idiotic analogy, I'm trying to figure out who it is racist against? Latino gangbangers?


Stupid extra question mark. And stupid mobile site requiring me to quote the entire comment.

/ fix your mobile site fark
 
2012-04-14 08:32:09 AM

Bevets: Mock26:

Prove that this supposed god from your particular mythology is real. And while you are it be sure to disprove the existence of all other Gods and Goddesses.

John 10.37 "If I do not do the works of My Father, do not believe Me; 38 but if I do them, though you do not believe Me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in Me, and I in the Father."

John 14.6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through Me."


4:171 "O People of the Scripture! Do not exaggerate in your religion nor utter aught concerning Allah save the truth. The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only a messenger of Allah, and His word which He conveyed unto Mary, and a spirit from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers, and say not "Three" - Cease! (it is) better for you! - Allah is only One God. Far is it removed from His Transcendent Majesty that He should have a son. His is all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And Allah is sufficient as Defender."

Both of these books are claimed to come from God. Neither can even keep its own story straight, and they certainly don't agree with each other.
 
2012-04-14 08:32:19 AM

ordinarysteve: muck4doo: ordinarysteve: muck4doo: FuryOfFirestorm: muck4doo: And like a Pharisee, you ask stupid questions. Yes, there really are stupid questions. They are asked by stupid people.

How is asking you to prove why your religion more valid than another a stupid question?

Prove to me that nothing came out of nowhere and made a big bang. Prove it!

Link (new window)
The universe is expanding which gives credence to the big bang theory. While not a slam-dunk it's more proof than you can offer for the existence of an invisible man in space. Give one piece of actual evidence for your silly fantasy world and my heathen ass will whole-heartedly convert.

Oh look. Someone who thinks his fantasy make believe beginning must be the truth. How cute.

Great Rebuttal! You must be a lawyer with such a stellar argument. So any proof? You've had 3000 years to prove the existence of YHWH so I'm sure you have some evidence.


Can you prove the big bang? No you can't. It's just the best theory others have thought up for you(face it. You wouldn't have thought it out yourself). So STFU. You don't know anymore than anyone else how the universe came to be.
 
2012-04-14 08:33:19 AM
I wouldn't think it's a new trend it's just that people that are in the age demographic who stop going to church when their parents stop making them have the internet now to tell the world. I've heard that churches having been losing large amounts of people in their late teens - early twenties for decades now, and that they get most of them back when they are in their 30's and settled down and more mature.
 
2012-04-14 08:34:17 AM

FuryOfFirestorm: muck4doo: AISI: So the only reason those who fear God behave is fear? Who is more moral... the believer that does good out of fear, or the non-believer who does good because they have compassion? Given my choice, I'll go with the non-believer... and I'm a deist.

It's not supposed to be grandma spanks you with hot wheel tracks type fear, rather more just respect. Like being in the pen yo. You respect your homies, they respect you. If they don't, that's a serious beat down.

Now there's absolutely no doubt that you are trolling. That was nothing more than thinly veiled racism. Way to be a shining example of Christianity. The more you prattle on in here, the weakeryour case becomes. Better stop now before you destroy religion completely.


I would be interested to hear what this racism is that you perceive.

/Difficulty: You know I'm not white, right?
 
2012-04-14 08:36:56 AM

muck4doo: /Difficulty: You know I'm not white, right


You know you can be a racist without being white, right?
 
2012-04-14 08:38:02 AM

ordinarysteve: muck4doo: FuryOfFirestorm: Which is just as easy as proving that God came out of nowhere and always existed.

You're getting it now.

Also, for the sake of lulz, how old do you believe the universe/Earth are?


Best guess is about 15 billion years, but who knows? Do you really believe what we can view of the universe is all that is really out there?
 
2012-04-14 08:38:20 AM

muck4doo: ordinarysteve: muck4doo: ordinarysteve: muck4doo: FuryOfFirestorm: muck4doo: And like a Pharisee, you ask stupid questions. Yes, there really are stupid questions. They are asked by stupid people.

How is asking you to prove why your religion more valid than another a stupid question?

Prove to me that nothing came out of nowhere and made a big bang. Prove it!

Link (new window)
The universe is expanding which gives credence to the big bang theory. While not a slam-dunk it's more proof than you can offer for the existence of an invisible man in space. Give one piece of actual evidence for your silly fantasy world and my heathen ass will whole-heartedly convert.

Oh look. Someone who thinks his fantasy make believe beginning must be the truth. How cute.

Great Rebuttal! You must be a lawyer with such a stellar argument. So any proof? You've had 3000 years to prove the existence of YHWH so I'm sure you have some evidence.

Can you prove the big bang? No you can't. It's just the best theory others have thought up for you(face it. You wouldn't have thought it out yourself). So STFU. You don't know anymore than anyone else how the universe came to be.


Link (new window)
I can provide proof that the universe is expanding which naturally leads to the idea of a singularity and big bang. Sure it's not guaranteed but that doesn't excuse your zero evidence. None. Zilch. The best you have are 2000 year old anecdotes. Face it, you have wasted your life and you should probably stop engaging in discourse on matters that you willingly accept ignorance. You contribute nothing.
 
2012-04-14 08:39:13 AM

FuryOfFirestorm: muck4doo: /Difficulty: You know I'm not white, right

You know you can be a racist without being white, right?


The question is do YOU know that? What was racist in my comment?
 
2012-04-14 08:39:35 AM

FlashHarry: c) a realization that a great many of the religious people i see today are hypocritical assholes


I believe in Christ but that alone has been a big turn off for me with the Catholic Chruch to the point that I only go when I'm with family. But I don't feel anything when I'm there though. I feel like that my faith is more personal and I don't have to follow a certain dogma to believe in Christ.

/I'd post the Ghandi quote but I'm too lazy to look for it.
 
2012-04-14 08:39:45 AM
I do have faith in a higher being, but I am almost ashamed to admit that sometimes when I see the behavior of some churches. The Prosperity Doctrine is a slap in the face to anyone who claims to follow the teachings of Christ, but that sector is growing.

A Methodist church near my old house is always buying real estate, and exoctic animals to feed the go of the preacher. Its sickening.
 
2012-04-14 08:40:33 AM

ordinarysteve: muck4doo: ordinarysteve: muck4doo: ordinarysteve: muck4doo: FuryOfFirestorm: muck4doo: And like a Pharisee, you ask stupid questions. Yes, there really are stupid questions. They are asked by stupid people.

How is asking you to prove why your religion more valid than another a stupid question?

Prove to me that nothing came out of nowhere and made a big bang. Prove it!

Link (new window)
The universe is expanding which gives credence to the big bang theory. While not a slam-dunk it's more proof than you can offer for the existence of an invisible man in space. Give one piece of actual evidence for your silly fantasy world and my heathen ass will whole-heartedly convert.

Oh look. Someone who thinks his fantasy make believe beginning must be the truth. How cute.

Great Rebuttal! You must be a lawyer with such a stellar argument. So any proof? You've had 3000 years to prove the existence of YHWH so I'm sure you have some evidence.

Can you prove the big bang? No you can't. It's just the best theory others have thought up for you(face it. You wouldn't have thought it out yourself). So STFU. You don't know anymore than anyone else how the universe came to be.

Link (new window)
I can provide proof that the universe is expanding which naturally leads to the idea of a singularity and big bang. Sure it's not guaranteed but that doesn't excuse your zero evidence. None. Zilch. The best you have are 2000 year old anecdotes. Face it, you have wasted your life and you should probably stop engaging in discourse on matters that you willingly accept ignorance. You contribute nothing.


It's not science. It's a theory. Don't they teach you kids anything in school anymore?
 
2012-04-14 08:41:27 AM
Raised Christian without my consent, now atheist. It's funny how I nodded and smiled as a child, accepting religious "truths" without a second thought. Now, when I'm around religious goings-on, it just creeps me out, particularly watching the indoctrination of children.
 
2012-04-14 08:44:23 AM

Ow My Balls: Raised Christian without my consent, now atheist. It's funny how I nodded and smiled as a child, accepting religious "truths" without a second thought. Now, when I'm around religious goings-on, it just creeps me out, particularly watching the indoctrination of children.


We both have truths. Are mine the same as yours?

Crucify him! Crucify him!

/Sorry. In the mood for some Jesus Christ Superstar now
 
2012-04-14 08:44:30 AM

SuperDuper28: and that they get most of them back when they are in their 30's and settled down and more mature.


Where have you seen data that suggests that people who reject church in their younger years are returning to church in their middle-age years?

I ask because I haven't seen any data to back up that part of what you said. I have seen data showing that young people just aren't buying into the church nearly as much, however.

Anecdotal... but only one of the atheist people I know decided to join a church. But he was forced into it by his wife, who had caught him cheating and told him that the only way she was going to stay with him was if he joined her church. He's a "Reborn Christian" now of some flavor or another. Please keep in mind that the entire time he was cheating on his wife I was telling him to cut it out and that he shouldn't do that... but now I am a person "without a moral compass" to him because I don't subscribe to his religion... go figure.
 
2012-04-14 08:44:40 AM
mundabor.files.wordpress.com

Funny thing is, my father was a nun.
 
2012-04-14 08:45:17 AM

muck4doo: FuryOfFirestorm: muck4doo: /Difficulty: You know I'm not white, right

You know you can be a racist without being white, right?

The question is do YOU know that? What was racist in my comment?


:"Like being in the pen yo. You respect your homies, they respect you."

It seemed strange to me how you suddenly talked in street slang all of a sudden.
 
2012-04-14 08:45:41 AM

Nemo's Brother: I do have faith in a higher being, but I am almost ashamed to admit that sometimes when I see the behavior of some churches. The Prosperity Doctrine is a slap in the face to anyone who claims to follow the teachings of Christ, but that sector is growing.

A Methodist church near my old house is always buying real estate, and exoctic animals to feed the go of the preacher. Its sickening.


It still baffles me how anyone could come up with something like "the Prosperty Gospel" based on the teaching of Jesus.

It's like making water out of vinegar.
 
2012-04-14 08:47:53 AM

muck4doo: In the mood for some Jesus Christ Superstar now


What's the buzz? Tell me what's a happenin! What's the buzz? Tell me what's a happenin!...
 
2012-04-14 08:50:08 AM
Is this a real issue? I'm quite serious in asking, as it seems like a media creation. I have friends and colleagues of many faiths, agnostics, and those who have hypotheses about how we came to cognition from random assemblages of molecules. Never thought much of any of this, really. Just interesting conversation and never thought my faith or their worldview (if different) required either of us to criticize the other or malign the other, but we just accepted each other and our views. I read and hear about intolerance, such as an article from atheists criticizing Catholics or the southern nondenominational Christians who attack everyone...but I never see or hear any intolerance from people who aren't trying to run political campaigns, groups, etc. so thats why I'm asking, if this is truly something we encounter and not a media,politically manufactured phenomenon.
 
2012-04-14 08:52:30 AM

muck4doo: ordinarysteve: muck4doo: ordinarysteve: muck4doo: ordinarysteve: muck4doo: FuryOfFirestorm: muck4doo: And like a Pharisee, you ask stupid questions. Yes, there really are stupid questions. They are asked by stupid people.

How is asking you to prove why your religion more valid than another a stupid question?

Prove to me that nothing came out of nowhere and made a big bang. Prove it!

Link (new window)
The universe is expanding which gives credence to the big bang theory. While not a slam-dunk it's more proof than you can offer for the existence of an invisible man in space. Give one piece of actual evidence for your silly fantasy world and my heathen ass will whole-heartedly convert.

Oh look. Someone who thinks his fantasy make believe beginning must be the truth. How cute.

Great Rebuttal! You must be a lawyer with such a stellar argument. So any proof? You've had 3000 years to prove the existence of YHWH so I'm sure you have some evidence.

Can you prove the big bang? No you can't. It's just the best theory others have thought up for you(face it. You wouldn't have thought it out yourself). So STFU. You don't know anymore than anyone else how the universe came to be.

Link (new window)
I can provide proof that the universe is expanding which naturally leads to the idea of a singularity and big bang. Sure it's not guaranteed but that doesn't excuse your zero evidence. None. Zilch. The best you have are 2000 year old anecdotes. Face it, you have wasted your life and you should probably stop engaging in discourse on matters that you willingly accept ignorance. You contribute nothing.

It's not science. It's a theory. Don't they teach you kids anything in school anymore?


It's a theory that could be disproven but it hasn't been in a hundred years. I do enjoy your skepticism towards it while simultaneously being able to believe in a magically conscious being who is always watching us though.
 
2012-04-14 08:53:19 AM
The purpose of religion is to explain the inexplicable, to reveal the uncaused cause. That generally supposes some sort of omniscient being.

Atheism is a kind of arrogant narcissism that believes there is no being higher than humans, furthermore there is need of none. Humans are the end-all, be-all. We know and can explain everything.
 
2012-04-14 08:54:03 AM
hey gais did i miss anything?
 
2012-04-14 08:55:41 AM

FuryOfFirestorm: muck4doo: FuryOfFirestorm: muck4doo: /Difficulty: You know I'm not white, right

You know you can be a racist without being white, right?

The question is do YOU know that? What was racist in my comment?

:"Like being in the pen yo. You respect your homies, they respect you."

It seemed strange to me how you suddenly talked in street slang all of a sudden.


And that tells you what? You have no farking Idea who I am or anything about my background. There are people on Fark who do, you're not one of them. What was the racist part in my statement? You threw the race card card out. Back it up, or go back into your biatch corner.
 
2012-04-14 08:56:01 AM
TL;DR

Just came to say that faith and religion are two separate things and leaving church does not necessarily mean abandoning faith.

/Haven't been in a church since 2008.
//Why do i feel like a 12 stepper that just got his 4 year chip?
///"Hi. My name is Savage"
 
2012-04-14 08:56:57 AM

ordinarysteve: muck4doo: ordinarysteve: muck4doo: ordinarysteve: muck4doo: ordinarysteve: muck4doo: FuryOfFirestorm: muck4doo: And like a Pharisee, you ask stupid questions. Yes, there really are stupid questions. They are asked by stupid people.

How is asking you to prove why your religion more valid than another a stupid question?

Prove to me that nothing came out of nowhere and made a big bang. Prove it!

Link (new window)
The universe is expanding which gives credence to the big bang theory. While not a slam-dunk it's more proof than you can offer for the existence of an invisible man in space. Give one piece of actual evidence for your silly fantasy world and my heathen ass will whole-heartedly convert.

Oh look. Someone who thinks his fantasy make believe beginning must be the truth. How cute.

Great Rebuttal! You must be a lawyer with such a stellar argument. So any proof? You've had 3000 years to prove the existence of YHWH so I'm sure you have some evidence.

Can you prove the big bang? No you can't. It's just the best theory others have thought up for you(face it. You wouldn't have thought it out yourself). So STFU. You don't know anymore than anyone else how the universe came to be.

Link (new window)
I can provide proof that the universe is expanding which naturally leads to the idea of a singularity and big bang. Sure it's not guaranteed but that doesn't excuse your zero evidence. None. Zilch. The best you have are 2000 year old anecdotes. Face it, you have wasted your life and you should probably stop engaging in discourse on matters that you willingly accept ignorance. You contribute nothing.

It's not science. It's a theory. Don't they teach you kids anything in school anymore?

It's a theory that could be disproven but it hasn't been in a hundred years. I do enjoy your skepticism towards it while simultaneously being able to believe in a magically conscious being who is always watching us though.


One unproven works for you. Another unproven works for me. We should both be happy. :)
 
2012-04-14 08:57:24 AM
There are many Christians in the US who have belief in God in the back of their minds, but otherwise never think about it. Non-practicing Christians, I think is the term. I think a lot of them use God as an excuse or a crutch when it suits them, and ignore him the rest of the time. Just think of how many religious people break the commandments and commit sin on a daily basis. Every fat Christian is a glutton, slothful and likely several other things. That's just one example.

I think a huge percentage of Christians believe because they were taught to and not because they actually find it true. As such, they have no respect for God and his word in the bible. If the bible is true I'm sure many millions of Christians will enjoy rude awakenings upon death.

Still, I was surprised to learn that Atheists in the US have to skulk around like homosexuals or other unpopular groups. I never experienced any hostility living as an atheist in Canada. Now that I live in Japan I am part of the vast majority. Something like 0.5% of the population here is part of a monotheistic religion. Shinto and Buddhism seem more like aspects of cultural tradition than actual religion. If asked why they perform a certain ceremony or have certain rituals most Japanese will say "That's what Japanese people do," instead of "because Shinto/Buddhism tell us to do it."
 
2012-04-14 08:57:42 AM
Regardless of you being a racist or not, you are clearly a troll. You refuse to back up your assertions with proof, logic, or facts, and either divert the issue or act in a pedantic manner. Common troll behavior, right down to the "am I making you mad?" question.

On the plus side, you're more fun than Bevets. On the other hand, he seems to actually believe what he says and doesn't stoop to your level.

Please continue your derping. It amuses me 8^)
 
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