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(MLive.com)   Michigan governor signs bill repealing motorcycle helmet requirement, or as it will soon be known--the Natural Selection Law of 2012   (mlive.com) divider line 61
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2012-04-13 01:04:42 PM
6 votes:
Michigan's largest export will become donor organs
2012-04-13 10:15:58 AM
5 votes:
Meh. The way most motorcycles ride a helmet isn't going to do shiat when when the motorcyclist gets creamed after weaving in and out of traffic at 80 mph.
2012-04-13 02:10:31 PM
4 votes:
If you ride and don't wear full-gear Every. Farking. Time. You. Ride. then you deserve to have your brains handed to you in your brain-bucket of a beenie helmet.
2012-04-13 02:07:42 PM
4 votes:
Young otherwise healthy males with fatal head injuries are a reliable source of healthy organs for transplant. This might actually improve availability of transplantable organs, is what I'm saying.
2012-04-13 01:06:57 PM
4 votes:
Provided that those who choose not to wear helmets go ahead and pay for the increased cost of care (e.g. don't shift the burden onto the rest of society), fine.

/oh wait they don't and won't, just like always
//more risk-dumping under the guise of liberty
2012-04-13 11:47:13 AM
4 votes:

Dancin_In_Anson: FlashHarry: why stop there? why not repeal seatbelt laws?

Indeed. Why not? Are you that farking stupid that you need to be told to wear one?


why not just remove all road signs and abolish all speed limits? are you that farking stupid that you can't tell how fast is too fast?
2012-04-13 02:08:17 PM
3 votes:
As long as they can sign away mandatory insurance coverage and absolve the paramedics from their duty to resuscitate, I don't see the problem.
2012-04-13 02:08:03 PM
3 votes:
And if they get injured and not insured, I don't want to foot the bill.
2012-04-13 11:30:21 AM
3 votes:

Dancin_In_Anson: sweetmelissa31: DIA will be horrified to know that trans fats are banned in NY and chains have to make nutritional information available. Verdict: food still delicious.

I know. Because New Yorkers are obviously too farking stupid to take care of themselves.


Ever notice that American teabaggers hate New York almost as much as al-Qeada does?
2012-04-13 11:23:18 AM
3 votes:
Why does the FDA have to push its government snout into "prescription" medications? And why does the AMA have to license "physicians"? Are Americans too stupid to make their own decisions?
2012-04-13 11:20:56 AM
3 votes:
Why is lead banned from gasoline? Are Americans too stupid to make their own decisions? :(
2012-04-13 10:37:33 AM
3 votes:
Since there have been warnings on cigarette cartons, higher taxes on cigarettes, and laws against smoking in the workplace, smoking rate has declined from 42% to 19% among Americans. A decrease in chronic diseases due to smoking will represent a large decrease in burden for American spending on healthcare (although unfortunately the increase in fatties replaces a lot of that burden). But the point stands that the change in smoking came about from direct government action.
2012-04-13 10:02:10 AM
3 votes:
On the plus side, think of all of the doctor and nurse jobs it'll create!
2012-04-13 02:59:31 PM
2 votes:
Coach_J: When Billy Bob is on a ventilator for 5 years cause he flipped his Hawg without a helmet on...who do you think is playing for that?

- When Billy Bob is on a ventilator for 5 years cause he stroked out from high blood pressure from his fatty diet...who do you think is playing for that?

- When Billy Bob is on a ventilator for 5 years cause he got lung cancer from smoking....who do you think is playing for that?

- When Billy Bob's kids are in prison because Billy Bob couldn't raise 'em right...who do you think is playing for that?

- When Billy Bob is unemployable because he picked a vocation he's no good at...who do you think is playing for that?

You see how that goes? Trying to regulate personal choices that *indirectly* impact society is crossing a line that leads directly to government oppression. Once you decide that making people wear helmets/seatbelts "for the good of society", THERE IS NO LOGICAL STOPPING POINT. Do you want to see the day when you need government approval to breed? Get ration cards for beer? Butter?

Stick to regulating personal actions the DIRECTLY impact others, like rape, murder, stealing, speeding, arson, etc..
2012-04-13 02:56:07 PM
2 votes:
Is this the same Fark that gets jacked up when govt dictates what free speech is and where you can speak it? The same Fark that gets upset when they are told what they can eat,drink or ingest? Good then you should ALL support this. Freedom of choice. End prohibition. Kill seatbelt and helmet laws. Your freedom to swing your fist ends at my nose. Absence of a safety law is not a mandate for unsafe behavior.

Freedom of choice, how does it work?
2012-04-13 02:52:53 PM
2 votes:

vernonFL: Every time I go to Florida, it freaks me out seeing people riding motorcycles without helmets on.


The real farktards are the ones riding in shorts and sandels and nothing else.
2012-04-13 02:42:54 PM
2 votes:
I've always heard, "if you have a $10 head, wear a $10 helmut". Guess that puts this law in perspective.
2012-04-13 02:30:33 PM
2 votes:
I don't know any bikers that have 'needed' their helmets due to accidents, but I know at least a few that have taken stray road debris, gravel, etc in the head/face area that the helmet protected them from. At the very least, it saves you from taking a small piece of rock to the forehead at 70 mph. That loud THUD and chip in your window...? imagine that on your face.
2012-04-13 02:11:09 PM
2 votes:
How about if you don't want to wear a helmet then fine. But you have to sign this release that says you will not be kept alive, given any dr./hospital care resulting from an injury from an accident in which you were not wearing a helmet.
Personal responsibilty
2012-04-13 02:10:18 PM
2 votes:

Grand_Moff_Joseph: They pulled a similar stunt in TX a number of years ago, claiming that helmet laws were just another government infringement on bikers' liberty.

The stupidity of today's 'conservative' mindset is amazing.


The funny thing is that this repeal was pushed by bikers who tent to be mostly democrats.
2012-04-13 11:50:15 AM
2 votes:

FlashHarry: why not just remove all road signs and abolish all speed limits?


Not even close to the same. Try again.
2012-04-13 11:25:55 AM
2 votes:
I wonder if they passed it as an emergency measure.


hillbillypharmacist: Are Americans too stupid to make their own decisions?


In a vast percentage of cases yes.
2012-04-13 11:25:02 AM
2 votes:

hillbillypharmacist: And why does the AMA have to license "physicians"?


I personally only go to Rand Paul licensed ophthalmologists. If they mess up my eyes I'll just sue them.
2012-04-13 10:23:47 AM
2 votes:

Grand_Moff_Joseph: They pulled a similar stunt in TX a number of years ago, claiming that helmet laws were just another government infringement on bikers' liberty.

The stupidity of today's 'conservative' mindset is amazing.


You're unable to make decisions for yourself eh?
2012-04-13 10:08:06 AM
2 votes:
Heck PA signed that law a few years ago because the Govenor wanted to feel the air in his air when he was on the bike. The face palm is we have a law saying that if you are in the car you have to wear a seat belt. WTF I'm safer behind the car with an air bag than those retards on a bike without a helmet.
2012-04-13 10:07:34 AM
2 votes:
They pulled a similar stunt in TX a number of years ago, claiming that helmet laws were just another government infringement on bikers' liberty.

The stupidity of today's 'conservative' mindset is amazing.
2012-04-14 06:42:29 AM
1 votes:
Reading this thread, I would like to ask a question.

Since when did "you're not the boss of me!" become a logical way for adults to think?

Are the people who whine and b*tch about doing something they should be doing anyway doing so because the evil government is making them do it, so they'll just stamp their feet like three year olds?

There seems to be a core of that type of thinking in this whole argument, that the only reason you shouldn't do something is because someone else asked you not to, even though doing what they asked you to do would actually be to your advantage.
Wearing seat belts, for example. When I learned to drive back in the 80's many states still did not have seat belt laws, including the state where I got my license.

Yet I put my belt on every time, because I realized how powerful the machine was that I had under my control and how fragile I was inside of it. Almost 30 years later I still put the belt on, even before I start the car, and ask anyone that rides with me to do the same. Buckle up or GTFO. Even had to leave a date at her front door because she wouldn't put it on... said it would "mess up her dress". Never saw her again. I'd rather miss out on the pussy than take the chance of seeing her head go through the windshield.

Point is that instead of kneejerking in opposition to everything anyone tells you, maybe you should STFU, sit the fark down, and think about what you've just been told. Then make a decision about it not based on whether it was your idea or not, but whether their suggestion might help you in the long term. If more people did this, maybe state legislatures wouldn't have to waste their time writing things like helmet and seat belt laws, because people would already be using them as this is the smart thing to do.

Acting like a petulant preschooler is no way to go through life, son.
2012-04-13 08:39:07 PM
1 votes:
Astounding how many people in here don't care for their freedom.
2012-04-13 07:12:05 PM
1 votes:

Yaxe: Better known as "Solving the Organ Donor shortage Act of 2012" .

/in the ER, they call helmetless motorbike riders organ donors


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2012-04-13 06:57:32 PM
1 votes:

maxheck: I'd say anyone who fights "wear a goddamn helmet" laws is someone who has never been in an accident with a car no matter who was at fault.


I've been in one and I still say riders should be able to choose to be stupid. This isn't something we need a law for.
2012-04-13 05:43:48 PM
1 votes:

MorePeasPlease: Mitch Taylor's Bro: That's the weird thing: most people I know who support helmet laws are not riders. But every rider I know wouldn't consider riding without a helmet (granted, I grew up and live in CA, where helmet laws have been in place for ages, so it's the norm for me and my friends).


One constant I've found over the years is that when people have the opportunity to put restrictions onto other people without it infringing on their own freedoms, they are all for it.



One constant I've found over the years is that when people have the opportunity to pass the costs of their own behavior on to other people they are all for it.
2012-04-13 05:08:17 PM
1 votes:

Tumunga:

/sometimes I just don't feel like wearing a helmet on my motorcycle.


That feeling..... Let it go.
2012-04-13 03:19:19 PM
1 votes:

Dancin_In_Anson: FlashHarry: why not just remove all road signs and abolish all speed limits?

Not even close to the same. Try again.



Oh? How so? Both are an expression of government authority over the actions of what its citizens do. Both are responded to in the same way in that if you speed you get pulled over and get a ticket as you would riding without a helmet where it was illegal. Also note these are state regulations. I thought you were all for states rights.


Fade2black: God forbid people take responsibility for their OWN actions, Libtard. Last time I checked, when a motorcycle crashes into someone else, the other party affected had no worse injuries because the cycler did or did not wear his own helmet.

I know you masturbate at night trying to figure out how to pass more laws and control behavior, but you'll have to fantasize about something else for a change...like actual women.

A cyclist not wearing his helmet has zero bearing on your life. Get over yourself.



Yeah, having the brains and other kibbles and bits of a douche on a crotch rocket spread all over the back of a SUV isn't going to affect anyone. An SUV driven by a 16 year old and her friends on the way home from school. They'll be totally unaffected. Or a 19 year old kid splatters all over the hood of a 75 year old who has the spend the rest of his short years knowing some kid never had a chance because he happened to not notice the dude when he pulled forward from a stop sign.

I'm not saying the law should or shouldn't be. I'm saying your argument isn't very well thought out.
2012-04-13 03:16:47 PM
1 votes:
*oh ffs*
2012-04-13 03:05:41 PM
1 votes:

gameshowhost: Really?

Data Trends after the Repeal of Mandatory Motorcycle Helmet
Laws in US and Estimated Socioeconomic Effects
of Repealing Michigan's Universal Helmet Law
Charlotte A. Kilvington
Office of Highway Safety Planning
February 14, 2011 (new window)



Did you read what you posted? Because what it says is that when people stop wearing helmets then deaths, injuries, severity of injuries, and the cost of caring for those injuries goes up substantially. Just so you know.
2012-04-13 03:04:27 PM
1 votes:

mark12A: Coach_J: When Billy Bob is on a ventilator for 5 years cause he flipped his Hawg without a helmet on...who do you think is playing for that?

- When Billy Bob is on a ventilator for 5 years cause he stroked out from high blood pressure from his fatty diet...who do you think is playing for that?

- When Billy Bob is on a ventilator for 5 years cause he got lung cancer from smoking....who do you think is playing for that?

- When Billy Bob's kids are in prison because Billy Bob couldn't raise 'em right...who do you think is playing for that?

- When Billy Bob is unemployable because he picked a vocation he's no good at...who do you think is playing for that?

You see how that goes? Trying to regulate personal choices that *indirectly* impact society is crossing a line that leads directly to government oppression. Once you decide that making people wear helmets/seatbelts "for the good of society", THERE IS NO LOGICAL STOPPING POINT. Do you want to see the day when you need government approval to breed? Get ration cards for beer? Butter?

Stick to regulating personal actions the DIRECTLY impact others, like rape, murder, stealing, speeding, arson, etc..


Yes there is: it's called the ballot box. That's why we live and legislate in shades of gray, not black and white.
2012-04-13 02:43:55 PM
1 votes:
Oh well, Americans need organ donors. Carry one Darwin contestants, carry on.


/Friend's Dad was killed in a bike accident. Not his fault but a helmet would have saved his life.
2012-04-13 02:39:29 PM
1 votes:
Teabagger legislature - Lets repeal seat belts! Big government baaaaad. Personal responsibility goooooood.
:::a few years later:::
Teabagger legislature - Why do we have so many brain-dead patients on life support? Why has the cost of medical care skyrocketed? We have to outlaw abortion!
2012-04-13 02:36:45 PM
1 votes:

Grand_Moff_Joseph: "They pulled a similar stunt in TX a number of years ago, claiming that helmet laws were just another government infringement on bikers' liberty."



And how are they not, exactly?

Let's look at some facts: Motorcycles kill about 4,000 people a year in the U.S. Diabetes alone -- not even talking about heart disease -- kills between 70,000 and 230,000.

And yet when someone brings up the idea of regulating fast food consumption among children, we freak out because it should be up to the individual to decide what they eat....and then when someone suggests that it should be up to the individual to decide how they ride, we freak out because individuals are stupid and can't be trusted to make such a decision for themselves.

Yeah, that makes sense...
2012-04-13 02:34:49 PM
1 votes:

sweetmelissa31: Since there have been warnings on cigarette cartons, higher taxes on cigarettes, and laws against smoking in the workplace, smoking rate has declined from 42% to 19% among Americans. A decrease in chronic diseases due to smoking will represent a large decrease in burden for American spending on healthcare (although unfortunately the increase in fatties replaces a lot of that burden). But the point stands that the change in smoking came about from direct government action.


This is 100% false. Smokers (and the obese) die earlier and end-of-life costs for non-smokers are higher than the cost of dealing with smoking-related or obesity-related disease.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2009-04-08-fda-tobacco-costs_N.ht m
2012-04-13 02:34:26 PM
1 votes:
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=116857&page=1

"After two years without mandatory helmet laws, trauma doctors at hospitals in Florida, for instance, say they are treating more and more patients who hit the road without a helmet. "

"A recent study in the Journal Trauma found that two-thirds of all bikers had no insurance, leaving the taxpayer to foot the bill. And for those riding without helmets, the average medical cost rises to $55,000."

"All in all, the federal government estimates taxpayers and insurance companies would save $10 billion if all bikers wore helmets."

When Billy Bob is on a ventilator for 5 years cause he flipped his Hawg without a helmet on...who do you think is playing for that? These motorcycle lobbyists groups or us?

Glad Michigan has nothing better to fix than this VITAL piece of legislation.
2012-04-13 02:33:58 PM
1 votes:

Aidan: oldfarthenry: How does one declare a Michigan citizen legally brain-dead as opposed to just, like, being a normal Michigan citizen?

Hey now. :)

As far as I could tell, anyone I talked to thought the repeal was farking idiotic. And yet... Here we are. I don't know how shiat gets passed these days.


Corporations buy politicians, who then do what the corporations want. Insurance companies probably love this one since the fatalities are much higher than with autos.
2012-04-13 02:30:30 PM
1 votes:
The shiatty thing is insurance rates go through the roof for all bikers in Michigan now. So even if you're one of the ones who always wears a helmet, because it is no longer required your insurance will go up.
2012-04-13 02:22:11 PM
1 votes:

CapeFearCadaver: If you ride and don't wear full-gear Every. Farking. Time. You. Ride. then you deserve to have your brains handed to you in your brain-bucket of a beenie helmet.


If go out in public and don't cover up your body in full dres Every.Farking.Time.You.Go.Out. then you deserve to have your body taken advantage of because of your slut garb.

See how stupid you sound?

Fade2black: God forbid people take responsibility for their OWN actions, Libtard... I know you masturbate at night trying to figure out how to pass more laws and control behavior, but you'll have to fantasize about something else for a change...like actual women.



Funny, cause the party that claims to hate "libtards" does what they can to tell people who they can and can't marry, what they can and can't do in the bedroom and what a woman can and can't do with her body.
2012-04-13 02:21:00 PM
1 votes:
First you get get rid of helmets, next you're going to get rid of seatbelts. Smart move govoner! Smart move indeed.

Think about all the people that are going to get hurt. This is going to be your fault and you're going to have to live with it. First you let the illegals come into flint and start working int he factories taking good hard working americans' jobs. Next you upped tuition at all the "state" sponsored schools so that those same people couldn't afford education. Now you're trying to get them injured!!!??

Good bye mr. governer. AND GOOD RIDDANCE
2012-04-13 02:19:00 PM
1 votes:

LarryDan43: When all of your car insurance rates go up remember to thank a helmetless biker.


Why? How much in surgery and rehabilitation do dead people cost?
2012-04-13 02:18:18 PM
1 votes:

Fade2black: Libtard.


Any time you start off an argument with an insult, anything else you say afterwards tends to read as "derp derp derp derp derp derp derp."

If you want to make a point, that's the wrong way to go about it.
2012-04-13 02:17:48 PM
1 votes:

CapeFearCadaver: If you ride and don't wear full-gear Every. Farking. Time. You. Ride. then you deserve to have your brains handed to you in your brain-bucket of a beenie helmet.


I don't ride yet, and I intend to wear gear but your statement is fairly absurd.

The benefit for wearing "full gear" is that the more gear a person wears the safer they are. The logical extension of that argument, considering how much more dangerous a motorcycle is than a car, is that it is stupid to ride a motorcycle at all.

It seems as if you are saying there is an arbitrary amount of risk that is acceptable and that line is drawn at a place you decide.
2012-04-13 02:13:10 PM
1 votes:
God forbid people take responsibility for their OWN actions, Libtard. Last time I checked, when a motorcycle crashes into someone else, the other party affected had no worse injuries because the cycler did or did not wear his own helmet.

I know you masturbate at night trying to figure out how to pass more laws and control behavior, but you'll have to fantasize about something else for a change...like actual women.

A cyclist not wearing his helmet has zero bearing on your life. Get over yourself.
2012-04-13 02:11:38 PM
1 votes:
Then I'm down at the bottom of a pit in the blazing sun. Torn and twisted at the foot of a burning' bike. And I think somebody somewhere is tolling a bell.

And the last thing I see is my heart. Still beating.
2012-04-13 12:57:29 PM
1 votes:

timujin: Most motorcyclists?

You want to know how I know you don't know many motorcyclists?


Yes, most. The only real exceptions are the guys who ride cruisers.
2012-04-13 12:51:52 PM
1 votes:

GAT_00: I see it's time once again for 'Let's Watch DIA Constantly Move The Goalposts.'


Heh. Can you tell us the difference between speed limit laws and helmet/seatbelt laws?
2012-04-13 12:51:35 PM
1 votes:

Aarontology: Meh. The way most motorcycles ride a helmet isn't going to do shiat when when the motorcyclist gets creamed after weaving in and out of traffic at 80 mph.

Most

motorcyclists?

You want to know how I know you don't know many motorcyclists?

As for the article... so? I think the headline is correct, that this will cull some of the stupid out of the gene pool. If you're dumb enough to ride without a helmet or weave in and out of traffic at 80mph or be in any other was a squid, go for it. More used motorcycle parts on the market for the rest of us.
2012-04-13 12:47:33 PM
1 votes:
I see it's time once again for 'Let's Watch DIA Constantly Move The Goalposts.'
2012-04-13 12:12:03 PM
1 votes:

Dancin_In_Anson: FlashHarry: why not just remove all road signs and abolish all speed limits?

Not even close to the same. Try again.


are people so stupid that they don't know what side of the road to drive on?
2012-04-13 11:32:53 AM
1 votes:

Aarontology: Ever notice that American teabaggers hate New York almost as much as al-Qeada does?


I love New York. It's a beautiful state. The city is kick ass too.
2012-04-13 11:14:23 AM
1 votes:

FlashHarry: why stop there? why not repeal seatbelt laws?


Indeed. Why not? Are you that farking stupid that you need to be told to wear one?
2012-04-13 11:13:32 AM
1 votes:

sweetmelissa31: DIA will be horrified to know that trans fats are banned in NY and chains have to make nutritional information available. Verdict: food still delicious.


I know. Because New Yorkers are obviously too farking stupid to take care of themselves.
2012-04-13 11:09:03 AM
1 votes:
why stop there? why not repeal seatbelt laws?
2012-04-13 11:02:30 AM
1 votes:

Dancin_In_Anson: Well, then we best start drafting legislation regulating people diets



I'm pretty sure a diet of people is very regulated already.
2012-04-13 10:58:11 AM
1 votes:
DIA will be horrified to know that trans fats are banned in NY and chains have to make nutritional information available. Verdict: food still delicious.
 
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