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(MLive.com)   Michigan governor signs bill repealing motorcycle helmet requirement, or as it will soon be known--the Natural Selection Law of 2012   (mlive.com) divider line 467
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2012-04-13 02:11:43 PM
It amazes me that, in a day and age of friggin baby crawling helmets they'd repeal an existing law like that...
 
2012-04-13 02:12:56 PM

I alone am best: Grand_Moff_Joseph: They pulled a similar stunt in TX a number of years ago, claiming that helmet laws were just another government infringement on bikers' liberty.

The stupidity of today's 'conservative' mindset is amazing.

The funny thing is that this repeal was pushed by bikers who tent to be mostly democrats.

 
2012-04-13 02:13:10 PM
God forbid people take responsibility for their OWN actions, Libtard. Last time I checked, when a motorcycle crashes into someone else, the other party affected had no worse injuries because the cycler did or did not wear his own helmet.

I know you masturbate at night trying to figure out how to pass more laws and control behavior, but you'll have to fantasize about something else for a change...like actual women.

A cyclist not wearing his helmet has zero bearing on your life. Get over yourself.
 
2012-04-13 02:13:13 PM
When I see a kid approaching an electric socket with a butterknife, I like to let him make his own decision. Liberty and all that.
 
2012-04-13 02:13:45 PM
The real joke here is the $20K in additional insurance you need to carry in order to do so. Thats what? A ride in the meat wagon and a few hours in the ICU?

/From Mi
//Rides a motorcycle
///wears a full face helmet and kevlar jeans when I ride
////SLASHIES!!!!
 
2012-04-13 02:14:03 PM
Sweet. UP here I come!
 
2012-04-13 02:14:04 PM
Never had a helmet law here in CT. Most people I know wear one anyway.
 
2012-04-13 02:14:06 PM
Bring It.

scrapetv.com
 
2012-04-13 02:14:11 PM

shootsright: Does Michigan have a seat belt law?

/got a seat belt ticket from a motorcycle cop


Yep. get's real exciting when you own classic cars. I've been questioned as to why I wasn't wearing a seatbelt in my old '52 Buick before.
 
2012-04-13 02:14:42 PM
Anyone got the traffic fatalities stats in New Hampshire vs states where helmets are mandatory.

No helmet law, no seat-belt law.

Yes, you should wear those things. No the state shouldn't tell you to do so.

It always makes the news if someone dies in a motorcycle accident.
 
2012-04-13 02:14:47 PM
I don't see what the big deal about wearing a helmet. I have two of 'em, one full face for when the weather is a bit chilly, and a one that is a half-face for when the weather is warmer. I mean, if people don't wear them, that's on them. To be fair though, a half-face helmet isn't going to do jack to provide protection if you faceplant... better protection than nothing, but not as much as a full face.

/here in New England, it isn't uncommon to ride when it is 40 out, as long as the roads have been cleared of the salt and sand from the winter.
 
2012-04-13 02:14:57 PM
www.harry.hirschman.com

Helmets are of limited utility to the insane.
 
2012-04-13 02:15:19 PM
meh I know 2 bikers who lost both legs in accidents one of which wishes he wasn't wearing a helmet cause some fates are worse then dying.

kind of sad.
 
2012-04-13 02:15:32 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: GAT_00: I see it's time once again for 'Let's Watch DIA Constantly Move The Goalposts.'

Heh. Can you tell us the difference between speed limit laws and helmet/seatbelt laws?


Oo. Oo. I know this one. Because speed limit laws protect people from other people and helmet/seatbelt laws protect people from themselves?

/Did I win the prize?
 
2012-04-13 02:15:37 PM
When all of your car insurance rates go up remember to thank a helmetless biker.
 
2012-04-13 02:15:57 PM

I alone am best: Grand_Moff_Joseph: They pulled a similar stunt in TX a number of years ago, claiming that helmet laws were just another government infringement on bikers' liberty.

The stupidity of today's 'conservative' mindset is amazing.

The funny thing is that this repeal was pushed by bikers who tent to be mostly democrats.


And the best part is that bicyclists are still required by law to wear helmets.
 
2012-04-13 02:16:13 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Michigan's largest export will become donor organs


Just how common do you think helmet laws are?

homepage.mac.com

/enjoy not being required to wear one
//smart enough to do it anyway
 
2012-04-13 02:16:25 PM

JackieRabbit: You just can't legislate personal responsibility.


In that case, I expect my social security payments to date to be returned to me within the next 90 days.
 
2012-04-13 02:17:46 PM
Any bets on which state will be the first to prohibit wearing helmets while riding motorcycles?
 
2012-04-13 02:17:48 PM

CapeFearCadaver: If you ride and don't wear full-gear Every. Farking. Time. You. Ride. then you deserve to have your brains handed to you in your brain-bucket of a beenie helmet.


I don't ride yet, and I intend to wear gear but your statement is fairly absurd.

The benefit for wearing "full gear" is that the more gear a person wears the safer they are. The logical extension of that argument, considering how much more dangerous a motorcycle is than a car, is that it is stupid to ride a motorcycle at all.

It seems as if you are saying there is an arbitrary amount of risk that is acceptable and that line is drawn at a place you decide.
 
2012-04-13 02:17:49 PM
FTFA: "... those who choose not to deserve the latitude to make their own informed judgments"

Those who choose not to, have impaired judgement and should not be permitted to exercise it as such, starting with Mister Signator himself. Self-indulgent dismissal of the truth isn't freedom, it is a lie you are bound to, an ill compromise. The deists call it Satan. If you choose stupid, no one should have any faith in your judgments about anything.
 
2012-04-13 02:17:58 PM
I was talking about this with a friend who's a biker and we came to this decision: it's a win.

Now, we had observed that the members of the two local gangs (a chapter of the Gypsy Jokers and a chapter of the Disciples) tended to ride in a mostly safe manner. In fact, watching either chapter go up the Interstate is something of a joy to behold - clean diamond formation, clear lines through corners, AND they used their damned signals. Of course, they may be doing this to avoid getting a traffic stop while carrying a pound of meth in their saddlebags, but they are still great riders.

It's the young guys on the rice rockets who are the problem, splitting lanes, riding up the verge, cutting through service stations at 90 mph.

So, the older, safer riders are mostly at risk from car drivers - and if a car driver hits a Joker or a Disciple, well, we know that driver will end up in a ditch. So most drivers give them a wide berth. These riders will do OK.

And if some bozo on a crotch rocket gets his head turned into mushburger? Hey, just call the rescue squad to come hose off the pavement and collect the usable organs.
 
2012-04-13 02:18:16 PM

Codenamechaz: On the plus side, think of all of the doctor mortician and nurse grave digger jobs it'll create!


/FTFY
 
2012-04-13 02:18:18 PM

Fade2black: Libtard.


Any time you start off an argument with an insult, anything else you say afterwards tends to read as "derp derp derp derp derp derp derp."

If you want to make a point, that's the wrong way to go about it.
 
2012-04-13 02:18:30 PM
I worked in a hospital where we did corneal transplants in the pre-helmet law era. The majority of our donors were motorcycle accidents. Anecdotal, but just saying.
 
2012-04-13 02:18:47 PM
I don't ride any more, but the accidents I've seen (or been in) fell into two groups: low speed oops where a helmet didn't matter. Something like my personal 'favorite', dropping the bike on a graveled corner. Or high speed splats where nothing would have made much of a difference.

/Never did a splat
/wore helmet and crash suit
/the latter saved me some nasty road rashes.
 
2012-04-13 02:19:00 PM

LarryDan43: When all of your car insurance rates go up remember to thank a helmetless biker.


Why? How much in surgery and rehabilitation do dead people cost?
 
2012-04-13 02:19:12 PM

JesseL: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Michigan's largest export will become donor organs

Just how common do you think helmet laws are?

[homepage.mac.com image 640x319]

/enjoy not being required to wear one
//smart enough to do it anyway


Colorado, the land of the free!

/Buying a helmet before I buy my bike
//sometime this summer
 
2012-04-13 02:19:22 PM

Honest Bender: It is. That doesn't mean you shouldn't wear a helmet. One has nothing to do with the other.


Bears repeating. See also: the discussion in this thread re: seat belt laws.

For those of you too dense to figure it out (and from the comments, there are a few) the difference between say speed limits and seat belt laws is speed limits are in effect because violation of them/excessive speed and hurt or kill other people. Not wearing a helmet/seatbelt only harms yourself. Granted, people should wear them, but it shouldn't be illegal not to.

/wears mine most of the time
//thinks helmet/seat belt laws are fascist
 
2012-04-13 02:19:25 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: They pulled a similar stunt in TX a number of years ago, claiming that helmet laws were just another government infringement on bikers' liberty.

The stupidity of today's 'conservative' mindset is amazing.


The bikers around these parts (IL) have fended off 40 attempts at helmet laws. It's certainly not exclusive to conservatives.
 
2012-04-13 02:19:30 PM
I have no problem with this. Also, Johnbigbootay's Insurance Company would absolutely enforce their right to void any medical insurance payouts for helmetless riders. Not that a slow speed ride to the morgue is all that expensive, but still. Fair is fair.
 
2012-04-13 02:19:35 PM

barefoot in the head: FTFA: "... those who choose not to deserve the latitude to make their own informed judgments"

Those who choose not to, have impaired judgement and should not be permitted to exercise it as such, starting with Mister Signator himself. Self-indulgent dismissal of the truth isn't freedom, it is a lie you are bound to, an ill compromise. The deists call it Satan. If you choose stupid, no one should have any faith in your judgments about anything.


That was beautiful.
 
2012-04-13 02:19:41 PM

TNel: Heck PA signed that law a few years ago because the Govenor wanted to feel the air in his air when he was on the bike. The face palm is we have a law saying that if you are in the car you have to wear a seat belt. WTF I'm safer behind the car with an air bag than those retards on a bike without a helmet.


It isn't your safety. A seatbelt keeps you behind the wheel in high g situations. Without it, a controllable situation may be lost because you were flung from the seat.

Any situation where a motorcycle helmet is necessary is already out of control.
 
2012-04-13 02:20:06 PM
What we really need is a law that makes it illegal to poke yourself in the eye with a sharp stick.

THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!
 
2012-04-13 02:20:08 PM
i.imgur.com
 
hej
2012-04-13 02:20:42 PM
I assume the img1.fark.net tag is for the bikers, and not the governor.
 
2012-04-13 02:20:47 PM
Just so's you all know, Michigan will, supposedly, require helmet-less riders to be over 21 years of age and to, additionally, carry special 'dumbass' insurance that will cover their injuries.

My hope is that cops start pulling over every helmet-less rider they see to check their papers.
 
2012-04-13 02:20:54 PM

sweetmelissa31: Why is lead banned from gasoline? Are Americans too stupid to make their own decisions? :(


Q: Why was lead added in the first place?
A: Leaded gas allowed car manufactures to avoid costly manufacturing.

Q: Who would benefit most financially from having lead banned?
A: The greatest financial benefit would go to the party that no longer has to produce the additive.

/Lead is expensive.
//No citations, just cynicism
 
2012-04-13 02:20:57 PM

DrewCurtisJr: LarryDan43: When all of your car insurance rates go up remember to thank a helmetless biker.

Why? How much in surgery and rehabilitation do dead people cost?


The brain dead and the unborn must live no matter what the cost, so vote Republican.
 
2012-04-13 02:21:00 PM
First you get get rid of helmets, next you're going to get rid of seatbelts. Smart move govoner! Smart move indeed.

Think about all the people that are going to get hurt. This is going to be your fault and you're going to have to live with it. First you let the illegals come into flint and start working int he factories taking good hard working americans' jobs. Next you upped tuition at all the "state" sponsored schools so that those same people couldn't afford education. Now you're trying to get them injured!!!??

Good bye mr. governer. AND GOOD RIDDANCE
 
2012-04-13 02:22:11 PM

CapeFearCadaver: If you ride and don't wear full-gear Every. Farking. Time. You. Ride. then you deserve to have your brains handed to you in your brain-bucket of a beenie helmet.


If go out in public and don't cover up your body in full dres Every.Farking.Time.You.Go.Out. then you deserve to have your body taken advantage of because of your slut garb.

See how stupid you sound?

Fade2black: God forbid people take responsibility for their OWN actions, Libtard... I know you masturbate at night trying to figure out how to pass more laws and control behavior, but you'll have to fantasize about something else for a change...like actual women.



Funny, cause the party that claims to hate "libtards" does what they can to tell people who they can and can't marry, what they can and can't do in the bedroom and what a woman can and can't do with her body.
 
2012-04-13 02:22:27 PM

aaronx: Just so's you all know, Michigan will, supposedly, require helmet-less riders to be over 21 years of age and to, additionally, carry special 'dumbass' insurance that will cover their injuries.


That sounds like a pretty good compromise actually.


My hope is that cops start pulling over every helmet-less rider they see to check their papers.



And you are an asshole.
 
2012-04-13 02:22:38 PM
Yay! More organ donors!
 
2012-04-13 02:22:55 PM

gameshowhost: Provided that those who choose not to wear helmets go ahead and pay for the increased cost of care (e.g. don't shift the burden onto the rest of society), fine.


^This.

To all the people that say there should be no helmet or seatbelt laws, let stupid people kill themselves if they want, they don't hurt anyone but themselves, YOU ARE WRONG.

Smart people pay for their stupidity in the form of higher insurance premiums. If somehow the healthcare system would deal with it appropriately, like make you pay cash upfront if you want to get treated for a helmetless accident or something, I would be fine with it, but that's not the case. At least with smoking they make you pay more for health insurance.

/But I'm all about having more organ donors out there, so if only they could solve the money problems, I'm all for no helmet and seatbelt laws.
 
2012-04-13 02:22:56 PM

DrWhy: I know this one.


Indeed you do.
 
2012-04-13 02:22:59 PM
It should be a choice. You libs are usually all about choice
 
2012-04-13 02:23:01 PM
Approves

www.inquisitr.com
 
2012-04-13 02:23:03 PM

no 5th av. in Billings: A: Leaded gas allowed car manufactures to avoid costly manufacturing.


no
 
2012-04-13 02:23:32 PM

aaronx: Just so's you all know, Michigan will, supposedly, require helmet-less riders to be over 21 years of age and to, additionally, carry special 'dumbass' insurance that will cover their injuries.

My hope is that cops start pulling over every helmet-less rider they see to check their papers.


i55.tinypic.com
 
zez
2012-04-13 02:23:57 PM
You know who else used to oppose helmet laws?

www.geekosystem.com
 
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