NickBush24: Shiat-kickers and Methodists!

Damn you. Get out of my mind!

They are going to have alcohol-free zones on campus, not the entire campus being alcohol-free. What is the problem again?

People who don't want to drink are free to not drink. If their convictions are so weak that they need to have all temptations removed, then maybe they need to re-think things.

Came to add my two pennies, but you guys seem to have this one wrapped up.

I don't see a problem with alcohol free-zones.

Petit_Merdeux: People who don't want to drink are free to not drink. If their convictions are so weak that they need to have all temptations removed, then maybe they need to re-think things.

I'd venture to guess that perhaps they have students drinking in the religious student centers on campus and they want to stop this. Or that they've had one too many drunks puking on the steps of their mosque or churches... Or drunk people throwing rocks through windows, etc.

As long as these alcohol-free zones are limited to those areas, I can't really see what the problem is here.

Dear Religious Zealots:

Your moral preferences are not my moral mandates.

I'm not a member of your religion.

Fark the hell off.

*shrug* Show me in the Bible where Jesus says alcohol is of the debbil and maybe I'll change my mind.

You don't want to drink? Don't. If someone is causing a drunken disturbance, call the authorities.

FTFA;

Prof Malcolm Gillies of London Metropolitan University said he wants to create alcohol free areas on campus out of "cultural sensitivity".


Just wait till he hears about the access to the libaries & the internet. He'll shiat a brick when he finds out what culturally insensitivity really is.

Females are next.

Cause you women make them "Think impure thoughts"

Gabrielmot: Petit_Merdeux: People who don't want to drink are free to not drink. If their convictions are so weak that they need to have all temptations removed, then maybe they need to re-think things.

I'd venture to guess that perhaps they have students drinking in the religious student centers on campus and they want to stop this. Or that they've had one too many drunks puking on the steps of their mosque or churches... Or drunk people throwing rocks through windows, etc.

As long as these alcohol-free zones are limited to those areas, I can't really see what the problem is here.

Yeah, because vandelism and disorderly conduct is currently legal, and the only way to prevent it is to have alcohol free zones.

Seriously, you don't want to drink, don't farking drink. It's a college, not a My Precious Snowflake pre-school.

/Bet they can find porn using the campus internet, better get a firewall up.

SweetSilverBlues: *shrug* Show me in the Bible where Jesus says alcohol is of the debbil and maybe I'll change my mind.

You don't want to drink? Don't. If someone is causing a drunken disturbance, call the authorities.

I mean change my mind on my personal drinking habits, not about legislating yours.

Gabrielmot: I'd venture to guess that perhaps they have students drinking in the religious student centers on campus and they want to stop this.

If the religious centers want to sell alcohol then the university should let them. To do otherwise would be ungodly.

/seriously, what the hell are you talking about?

Drinking is neither good nor evil. That's the wrong horse to back.

Alcohol free zones because it's against the law for underaged persons to drink. If you are of-age and you don't want to drink, you are also welcome there. But bringing in 'good' and 'evil' is messy, especially when it can come back to bite you in the ass.

Gabrielmot: 'd venture to guess that perhaps they have students drinking in the religious student centers on campus and they want to stop this. Or that they've had one too many drunks puking on the steps of their mosque or churches... Or drunk people throwing rocks through windows, etc.

As long as these alcohol-free zones are limited to those areas, I can't really see what the problem is here.

This this this.

I could also see the following : Classrooms, School Offices. These places are generally places of 'business' and could be reasonably excluded.

I could also see a no-booze dorm that was all-voluntary.

I could also agree that maybe the *school* shouldn't be *vending* booze from its cafeterias, drink machines, and book stores during regular 'school hours' of, say, 3am to 6pm ?

I mean, have you seen Leeds after 7pm on a weekend night? It's an orgy of vomit, fighting and screetching.

How about Methodist and Muslim-free zones where students are free from their religious bullshiat.

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Alcohol free zones because it's against the law for underaged persons to drink. If you are of-age and you don't want to drink, you are also welcome there. But bringing in 'good' and 'evil' is messy, especially when it can come back to bite you in the ass.

The drinking age in the UK is 15.

Dadoody: Methodists can drink wine for it is made of BLOOD OF GOD

It's Welch's grape juice at my church.

Also, a lot of Methodists seem to interpret the church's stand on alcohol as just 'don't drink at church'.

SweetSilverBlues: *shrug* Show me in the Bible where Jesus says alcohol is of the debbil and maybe I'll change my mind. You don't want to drink? Don't. If someone is causing a drunken disturbance, call the authorities.

Jesus was about moderation. If he was against it, he wouldn't have given it as gifts at the big wedding blowout. I don't know where folks are getting the 'no alcohol at all' shiat, either. It's like claiming shiat of the Koran which isn't in the Koran, it's just local custom which existed before it. Yeah, alcohol sucks when you abuse it....... everything sucks when it's abused. It's not the thing itself.

Drinking is cool!

Kill the infidels.

Well let's do this in proportion- 2.7% of UK population is Muslim [Home Office] and 1.88% Is Methodist [Wiki].

I'm sure everyone would be happy with 4.6% of the campus being alcohol free.

Also- allowing booze does not immediately result in a chandelier-swinging, punch throwing, vomit orgy.

mpfjr: How about Methodist and Muslim-free zones where students are free from their religious bullshiat.

THIS ^^

ExperianScaresCthulhu: SweetSilverBlues: *shrug* Show me in the Bible where Jesus says alcohol is of the debbil and maybe I'll change my mind. You don't want to drink? Don't. If someone is causing a drunken disturbance, call the authorities.

Jesus was about moderation. If he was against it, he wouldn't have given it as gifts at the big wedding blowout. I don't know where folks are getting the 'no alcohol at all' shiat, either. It's like claiming shiat of the Koran which isn't in the Koran, it's just local custom which existed before it. Yeah, alcohol sucks when you abuse it....... everything sucks when it's abused. It's not the thing itself.

Testify, brother!

He didn't turn water into Perrier, after all.

rubi_con_man: ExperianScaresCthulhu: Alcohol free zones because it's against the law for underaged persons to drink. If you are of-age and you don't want to drink, you are also welcome there. But bringing in 'good' and 'evil' is messy, especially when it can come back to bite you in the ass.

The drinking age in the UK is 15.

I did not know that. Changes things up a little bit, thank you. I'll add my 'I agree to this' with everyone else agreeing with Gabrielmot's suggestions about appropriate places for such a ban, and inappropriate places.

Bash on the religious all you want but they have an excuse, a book told them to not like alcohol. What is the schools excuse?

Gdalescrboz: Bash on the religious all you want but they have an excuse, a book told them to not like alcohol. What is the schools excuse?

What book, praytell, are you referring to, exactly?

Dadoody: Muslims can drink mead for it is made of honey.

Approves.

Gdalescrboz: Bash on the religious all you want but they have an excuse, a book told them to not like alcohol. What is the schools excuse?

I believe the school has more than just one book and hence is able to see the world from a variety of angles and then come up with a reasoned and thoughtful discussion on matters which affect the students, or at least open debate on the matter in an objective fashion.

Ok, so the way it works is:


Non-religious do-gooders: "Smoking is eeeeeveeeeel, let's ban it everywhere."

Religious do-gooders: "Drinking is eeeeveeeel, let's ban it from small areas."

Non-religious do-gooders "wow, you religious people are totally off your gourd."


Got it. Thanks.

SweetSilverBlues: What book, praytell, are you referring to, exactly?

The Qu'ran. It says that there is good and evil in alcohol, but that the evil outweighs the good, so no booze for you.

I don't know exactly how they quantified the amount of good & evil. They didn't have electron microscopes or centrifuges at the time.

GilRuiz1: Got it. Thanks.

False equivalence is false.

Live in Madison WI, so getting a kick.

scarmig: Dear Religious Zealots:

Your moral preferences are not my moral mandates.

I'm not a member of your religion.

Fark the hell off.

This should be nailed to all church/temple/whatever doors.

GilRuiz1: Ok, so the way it works is:


Non-religious do-gooders: "Smoking is eeeeeveeeeel, let's ban it everywhere."

Religious do-gooders: "Drinking is eeeeveeeel, let's ban it from small areas."

Non-religious do-gooders "wow, you religious people are totally off your gourd."


Got it. Thanks.

Well, if they were on the gourd they would be too drunk to want to ban booze.

Petit_Merdeux: SweetSilverBlues: What book, praytell, are you referring to, exactly?

The Qu'ran. It says that there is good and evil in alcohol, but that the evil outweighs the good, so no booze for you.

I don't know exactly how they quantified the amount of good & evil. They didn't have electron microscopes or centrifuges at the time.

So that covers the Muslims. How about the Methodists?

In other words, you're both wrong. 'Tis not in the bibble.

Although I suppose it is nice for the fundies to find common ground...maybe? Possibly?

Sure, you can have alcholhol free zones because you feel it's evil. No Problem.

Just don't mind my "Muslim free" zone.

Flakeloaf: I demand you respect my freedom to believe what I believe by not doing any of the things my imaginary friends have told me not to do.

If you are saying a sizable proportion of students on campus literally believe a chemical compound is "evil" I would suggest your school is probably not doing a great job teaching.GilRuiz1: Ok, so the way it works is:


Non-religious do-gooders: "Smoking is eeeeeveeeeel, let's ban it everywhere."

Religious do-gooders: "Drinking is eeeeveeeel, let's ban it from small areas."

Non-religious do-gooders "wow, you religious people are totally off your gourd."


Got it. Thanks.

Yea, people that are against smoking think that it is "evil" and are against it because of their religion. that's totally the equivalent.