kendelrio: Keep in mind "oil rig worker" refers to roustabouts. (n00bs). Like any other job, the longer you put in, the more knowledge you get, the better your pay.

After 5-7 years it's entirely possible to be making anywhere from 50-70k working equal time.

/in the offshore oil industry
//not a roustabout or n00b

Uh, did you miss a zero in that??? That seems ridiculously low to me. You can get $75k/year with no experience doing laundry & housekeeping duties on mine-sites here in Oz. Oil-rig work pays a hell of a lot more ... about $300k/yr. (Mostly in the form of flat allowances, so skilled/experienced workers don't get all that much more.)

LiquidSky: kendelrio: Keep in mind "oil rig worker" refers to roustabouts. (n00bs). Like any other job, the longer you put in, the more knowledge you get, the better your pay.

After 5-7 years it's entirely possible to be making anywhere from 50-70k working equal time.

/in the offshore oil industry
//not a roustabout or n00b

Uh, did you miss a zero in that??? That seems ridiculously low to me. You can get $75k/year with no experience doing laundry & housekeeping duties on mine-sites here in Oz. Oil-rig work pays a hell of a lot more ... about $300k/yr. (Mostly in the form of flat allowances, so skilled/experienced workers don't get all that much more.)

I'm talking about 0 education laborers. When I was a rigger, I made ~40k my first year and about ~80k my last (3 years later). I'm in the ROV side of it now so I'm doing a lot better with a lot less physical labor.

Pert: Slikk210: He's trying to say..."Ask your boss what he needs from you to promote/get a raise to the salary you want."

Thank you. I see it now. Must be having a slow day.

"ask your boss what he expects [from you in order for you] to make what you would like [to earn]"

see the fluffer comments above

What a bullshiat list

The best job in the world is working hard to both enjoy and properly manage the trust fund inheritance left to you by your billionaire uncle whom you barely knew.

I mean, really

kokomo61

Broadcaster and Newspaper reporter are on there, because those jobs are quickly going away (and have been for 10+ years).

I dunno... As long as there is news, sports, and commercials on TV & radio, someone will have to be around to report/voice them.

It also helps to get & keep a radio job if you're an effective "jack of all trades" and you show up every day and do your job. Where I work, I'm the morning guy, news guy, webmaster, computer repair guy, graphic design guy, tricky production guy, and general tech guy when the engineer isn't here.

/24 continuous years in radio.
//biatches about it, but can't imagine doing anything else.

kendelrio: Keep in mind "oil rig worker" refers to roustabouts. (n00bs). Like any other job, the longer you put in, the more knowledge you get, the better your pay.

After 5-7 years it's entirely possible to be making anywhere from 50-70k working equal time.

/in the offshore oil industry
//not a roustabout or n00b

I hate to ask what company you work for. We pay our roustabouts with at least a GED, $55k starting pay. And if they get promoted to where you are with the ROV that is at least $140k

My company is notorious for not paying our rig hands as much as other companies.

BTW: Roustabouts are just offshore janitors.

kendelrio: Also, equal time is 14 days on 14 days off.

Not a bad living for 6 months out of the year. You also have "work overs" where you work extra time, well bonuses, safety bonuses, completion bonuses and retention bonuses.

/but no discount on gas.....

Where do I sign up? I think I made a horrible decision with this PhD thing.

None of those "best jobs" seem like they are all that great.

kendelrio: Keep in mind "oil rig worker" refers to roustabouts. (n00bs). Like any other job, the longer you put in, the more knowledge you get, the better your pay.

After 5-7 years it's entirely possible to be making anywhere from 50-70k working equal time.

/in the offshore oil industry
//not a roustabout or n00b

It's not just about money. It's also about safety, job satisfaction, stress, job security, etc. As it's an incredibly dangerous job, work hours suck, and it's really stressful. Thus, it sucks.

fusillade762: #2. Actuary

So deciding who gets lifesaving medical treatments and who doesn't is a great job? Is it populated primarily by psychopaths?

That's not what an actuary does.

Snapper Carr: It's good to see assistant crack whore has dropped completely off the list.

Assistant to the crack whore, Dwight/Gareth.

Tachypnea: Good to see Paramedic is not on the list. At least my job is less stressful(apparently) than an event planner.

Of course, because everyone knows EMS stands for "Earn Money Sleeping".....

OhioUGrad: The Envoy: Sorry subby, I don't know what it's like in the States, but here in the UK HR is the backwater where dimwit PA's who think they're smarter than they actually are end up. I deal with HR departments at all my clients and I find them to be 99% filled with vacuous, lazy, stupid, opinionated, ignorant and supercilious biatches, whether it's a government department or a private company.

THIS! HR in the US is full of incompetent fools as well, 95% of them with no clue what they are doing, no clue on how to interview (when actually hiring), and a huge amount of self importance.

So what you're saying is that it's a pretty awesome job because you can be an idiot and still do it.

I call BS......Taste tester for a Micro Brewery not on the list.....Quality control for European Brothels not on the list.

Go ahead and tell me those are not the two best jobs in the world.

I work for my county department of social services handing out food stamps. It's stressful and the pay is crappy, but a very secure job! Plus, I live in a small town and this is a good job for my area.

Waiter/Waitress on the worst jobs list? Only 2 ahead of dishwasher? Sure dishwashers get terrible pay but there's zero stress and if you apply yourself a little bit you can move up to cook (also terrible pay, but at least you're on a career path). But being a waiter is a great job for lots of people. $30/hr, low taxes, part-time flexible schedule. And if you really want to make a career out of it you can move into fine dining and start making some real scratch. I mean, you're not going to have a summer house in the Hamptons, but for a lot of people it's the most money they can make given their skills and education level.

Father_Jack: IamKaiserSoze!!!: mamoru: Huh. I would have thought that being a lumberjack was okay. You sleep all night and you work all day. :-/

Plus there's the whole woman's clothing thing.

So sub, how do you sleep at night knowing you are loathed by the rest of the organization?

OhioUGrad: The Envoy: Sorry subby, I don't know what it's like in the States, but here in the UK HR is the backwater where dimwit PA's who think they're smarter than they actually are end up. I deal with HR departments at all my clients and I find them to be 99% filled with vacuous, lazy, stupid, opinionated, ignorant and supercilious biatches, whether it's a government department or a private company.

THIS! HR in the US is full of incompetent fools as well, 95% of them with no clue what they are doing, no clue on how to interview (when actually hiring), and a huge amount of self importance.

man theres a lot of HR hate in this thread. lol!

i always liked the HR dept in my companies... its usually staffed with 22-28yr old "talent" which is easy on the eyes. And since they never stay more than a year or so there was always a fresh pair of somethin or others to oggle and hit on at holiday parties. marketing depts were similar except they were more annoying to deal with because we actually had to listen to them and try to make sense of they wanted and work with them.

now, the dept y'all should be gettin yer hate on over is CONTROLLING. God i HATE those guys.

Hey, just because your request for a personal wet bar was turned down... SHEESH!

xnxax: JackieRabbit: Software Engineer
Actuary
Human Resources Manager
Dental Hygienist
Financial Planner
Audiologist
Occupational Therapist
Online Advertising Manager
Computer Systems Analyst
Mathematician

What a completely FOS list of best jobs. 1 and 9 can pay reasonably well, but they can be pressure-cooker jobs and be very toxic. Worse, they are being sent to India and China at an alarming rate. Job no. 2 is just about gone, since computers can do actuarial analysis far faster and cheaper than a human. No. 3 are useless people and prime candidates for outsourcing. No. 4 has one of the highest turn-over rates of any profession because it sucks so bad. No. 5 is a ticket to the unemployment line. Nos. 6 and 10 require a lot of education for jobs that will top out at rather low salaries.

Um...[citation needed]

Actuarial employment has been and is expected to continue growing at a faster than average rate. Salaries continue to increase as well.

www.bls.gov/ooh/math/actuaries.htm

That's not what the same BLS said in a report issued last summer (trying to find it). THey said there would be a short-term increase in jobs, primarily because of changes in health care insurance industry. But then they would start to fall as companies switch to computerized actuarial analyses -- an area that has seen quite a bit of R&D investment in recent years. But when you think about it, it will take actuaries to develop the applications, won't it? Just not as many.

BTW, fixed they typo in your link. Thanks for providing it.

Mugato: 1. Software Engineer

Yeah but India is a hellhole.

I just came into contact with the third company in two years that told me they were pulling their software work back from overseas and into the US because the quality was abysmal and the hassles of dealing with them were too much. They're having to redo almost everything. There's a lot to be said about having your developers nearby where you can talk to them, see what they're doing, and make a mid-course correction if things are going awry.

GibbyTheMole: kokomo61

Broadcaster and Newspaper reporter are on there, because those jobs are quickly going away (and have been for 10+ years).

I dunno... As long as there is news, sports, and commercials on TV & radio, someone will have to be around to report/voice them.

It also helps to get & keep a radio job if you're an effective "jack of all trades" and you show up every day and do your job. Where I work, I'm the morning guy, news guy, webmaster, computer repair guy, graphic design guy, tricky production guy, and general tech guy when the engineer isn't here.

/24 continuous years in radio.
//biatches about it, but can't imagine doing anything else.

I'm currently a TV guy who's been out of work for just over a year. The big thing that I'm starting to see is a lot of job postings that want people who can do all the TV stuff AND know HTML. I seriously wonder if they'd be asking for so much if it weren't for the recession.

A weird thing about TV/video/film is that it tends to be the kind of industry where its hard to get your foot in the door (almost no entry level jobs available), but once you have say, 10 years experience, it supposedly gets a lot better.

I feel like the $27,000/year figure is skewed by a lot of really shameless stations that know they can get away with paying almost nothing in this economy, especially to the less-experienced younger people, who are the most desperate. I had one friend making something like $19,000/year for a while. I had another station offer me $18,200/year- I did the math and I literally couldn't live on that figure anywhere near that city.

That said, the station I just interviewed with was OK with paying me $32k a year plus benefits and another one was talking about at least $42,000/year.

fusillade762: #2. Actuary

So deciding who gets lifesaving medical treatments and who doesn't is a great job? Is it populated primarily by psychopaths?

I work as an actuary, so I'm getting a kick out of these replies..... I've heard a lot of descriptions about actuaries over the years (ok, maybe only "boring" and "what's an actuary???"), but can't say I've heard psychopath before. Maybe if I tell that to my batch printer, it'll take the hint and actually start working?

/ What's the difference between an introverted actuary and and extroverted actuary?
/ The extroverted actuary looks at the other person's shoes when talking.

meanmutton: fusillade762: #2. Actuary

So deciding who gets lifesaving medical treatments and who doesn't is a great job? Is it populated primarily by psychopaths?

That's not what an actuary does.

Isn't it a Fark Law that all of us involved in insurance are evil, mean doo-doo heads?

/Or better yet...forget it; he's rolling

herrDrFarkenstein: Worst Jobs
Lumberjack - call me leftie
Dairy Farmer - ain't been right since that kck to the head
Enlisted Military Soldier- KIA
Oil Rig Worker - cripple
Reporter (Newspaper) - 19th century jobs are cool!
Waiter/Waitress - spitting in food is you only reward
Meter Reader - mace and gun ... Not so bad
Dishwasher - ain't nothing but a good time
Butcher - my guy likes his job and he gets to bone Alice
Broadcaster - WTF seriously?

It took me a second.

/kicks open door

Tomfoolery Rules Over Logical Living: fusillade762: #2. Actuary

So deciding who gets lifesaving medical treatments and who doesn't is a great job? Is it populated primarily by psychopaths?

I work as an actuary, so I'm getting a kick out of these replies..... I've heard a lot of descriptions about actuaries over the years (ok, maybe only "boring" and "what's an actuary???"), but can't say I've heard psychopath before. Maybe if I tell that to my batch printer, it'll take the hint and actually start working?

/ What's the difference between an introverted actuary and and extroverted actuary?
/ The extroverted actuary looks at the other person's shoes when talking.

What are the chances of someone going home crying today because of this thread?

rich_mitch: Waiter/Waitress on the worst jobs list? Only 2 ahead of dishwasher? Sure dishwashers get terrible pay but there's zero stress and if you apply yourself a little bit you can move up to cook (also terrible pay, but at least you're on a career path). But being a waiter is a great job for lots of people. $30/hr, low taxes, part-time flexible schedule. And if you really want to make a career out of it you can move into fine dining and start making some real scratch. I mean, you're not going to have a summer house in the Hamptons, but for a lot of people it's the most money they can make given their skills and education level.

That and you get to party a hell of a lot more than SW engineers.

/sw engineer
//in bed by 11!

meanmutton: OhioUGrad: The Envoy: Sorry subby, I don't know what it's like in the States, but here in the UK HR is the backwater where dimwit PA's who think they're smarter than they actually are end up. I deal with HR departments at all my clients and I find them to be 99% filled with vacuous, lazy, stupid, opinionated, ignorant and supercilious biatches, whether it's a government department or a private company.

THIS! HR in the US is full of incompetent fools as well, 95% of them with no clue what they are doing, no clue on how to interview (when actually hiring), and a huge amount of self importance.

So what you're saying is that it's a pretty awesome job because you can be an idiot and still do it.

I suppose if you look at it that way, it would be. Or that they do little to no actual work.

Fireproof: GibbyTheMole: kokomo61

Broadcaster and Newspaper reporter are on there, because those jobs are quickly going away (and have been for 10+ years).

I dunno... As long as there is news, sports, and commercials on TV & radio, someone will have to be around to report/voice them.

It also helps to get & keep a radio job if you're an effective "jack of all trades" and you show up every day and do your job. Where I work, I'm the morning guy, news guy, webmaster, computer repair guy, graphic design guy, tricky production guy, and general tech guy when the engineer isn't here.

/24 continuous years in radio.
//biatches about it, but can't imagine doing anything else.

I'm currently a TV guy who's been out of work for just over a year. The big thing that I'm starting to see is a lot of job postings that want people who can do all the TV stuff AND know HTML. I seriously wonder if they'd be asking for so much if it weren't for the recession.

A weird thing about TV/video/film is that it tends to be the kind of industry where its hard to get your foot in the door (almost no entry level jobs available), but once you have say, 10 years experience, it supposedly gets a lot better.

I feel like the $27,000/year figure is skewed by a lot of really shameless stations that know they can get away with paying almost nothing in this economy, especially to the less-experienced younger people, who are the most desperate. I had one friend making something like $19,000/year for a while. I had another station offer me $18,200/year- I did the math and I literally couldn't live on that figure anywhere near that city.

That said, the station I just interviewed with was OK with paying me $32k a year plus benefits and another one was talking about at least $42,000/year.

The biggest problems with TV and radio are the ridiculously poor job security and the extreme difficulty breaking into the industry.

Mouthoy: Nifty. I grew up with the #2 most stressful, studied for the #1 best, and work on the #9 best.

/milking cows SUUUUUUUCKS
//tractors are fun, though

I disagree. Milking cows is great. Very relaxing. Driving tractor is just dull unless its loader work.

/dairy farmer
//screw your cubicle jobs

MatrixOutsider: So, what would be the best job that required the least amount of education or training?

Retail insurance agent.

They'll give anyone a license and your income is limited by your drive.

Father_Jack: markie_farkie: Beerguy: retirement plan

We were in Maui in 2009, and I chatted up the hotdog cart vendor guy at the Marriott. He said his spot (had to rent access to their pool customers) went for $120 a day, and he was still clearing close to $300 in profit for 6 hours' work. He said weekends were typically crappier, since people were either flying in or leaving, so he let some other guy take those, and paid the rent just to keep the contract.

After watching him for several hours, raking in cash, I totally believed him.

"raking in the cash" = 300 a day?

Lets see here.... 300*5*52 = $78k, assuming he never misses a day or takes a vacation.

Taking 4 weeks off a year for vacations and illness... 300 * 5 * 48weeks... = 72,000.

Well, assuming that 300 he makes a day is indeed profit and he doesnt have too high costs with buying his own health care, that's not bad in many parts of the US id suppose, especially for 6hrs a day.

I wonder how far that would go in maui though?

i want to retire and open a beachside bar in thailand. i reckon a swiss franc pension coupled with US social security would go pretty far in asia. Spend the days serving overpriced heinekens to tourists and the evenings banging hot thai women until im washed out to sea by a tsunami

Mrs Toad and I are going to Phuket later this year and already booked a nice lil B & B owned by some Belgian dude and his Thai wife.

JackieRabbit: xnxax: JackieRabbit: Software Engineer
Actuary
Human Resources Manager
Dental Hygienist
Financial Planner
Audiologist
Occupational Therapist
Online Advertising Manager
Computer Systems Analyst
Mathematician

What a completely FOS list of best jobs. 1 and 9 can pay reasonably well, but they can be pressure-cooker jobs and be very toxic. Worse, they are being sent to India and China at an alarming rate. Job no. 2 is just about gone, since computers can do actuarial analysis far faster and cheaper than a human. No. 3 are useless people and prime candidates for outsourcing. No. 4 has one of the highest turn-over rates of any profession because it sucks so bad. No. 5 is a ticket to the unemployment line. Nos. 6 and 10 require a lot of education for jobs that will top out at rather low salaries.

Um...[citation needed]

Actuarial employment has been and is expected to continue growing at a faster than average rate. Salaries continue to increase as well.

www.bls.gov/ooh/math/actuaries.htm

That's not what the same BLS said in a report issued last summer (trying to find it). THey said there would be a short-term increase in jobs, primarily because of changes in health care insurance industry. But then they would start to fall as companies switch to computerized actuarial analyses -- an area that has seen quite a bit of R&D investment in recent years. But when you think about it, it will take actuaries to develop the applications, won't it? Just not as many.

BTW, fixed they typo in your link. Thanks for providing it.

Thanks. m.fark doesn't have a handy link button.

CavalierEternal: Hi, Jason.

Most Stressful Jobs

Enlisted Soldier
Firefighter
Airline Pilot
Military General
Police Officer
Event Coordinator
Public Relations Executive
Corporate Executive (Senior)
Photojournalist
Taxi Driver


Nine out of ten of these do NOT get to relieve their stress by abusing, harassing, assaulting, arresting, and/or murdering their fellow citizens with virtually zero fear of negative legal or professional consequences.

I think a lot of folks are confusing job stress with job satisfaction. You can be in a stressful job and still love it or be in a very non stressful job and absolutely despises it.
I've known more than a handful of programmers, software engineers etc who hate their jobs. A few actually quit and got into blue collar occupation. Heck I actualy met this guy who went from an Oracle developer(software engineer) to tree trimming business (lumberjack) and he'll tell you he is much much happier than he was before. $$ ain;t bad either.

BS article is BS.

HR!?!? That's for ass0les!


/Harry speaks the truth

meanmutton: Fireproof: GibbyTheMole: kokomo61

Broadcaster and Newspaper reporter are on there, because those jobs are quickly going away (and have been for 10+ years).

I dunno... As long as there is news, sports, and commercials on TV & radio, someone will have to be around to report/voice them.

It also helps to get & keep a radio job if you're an effective "jack of all trades" and you show up every day and do your job. Where I work, I'm the morning guy, news guy, webmaster, computer repair guy, graphic design guy, tricky production guy, and general tech guy when the engineer isn't here.

/24 continuous years in radio.
//biatches about it, but can't imagine doing anything else.

I'm currently a TV guy who's been out of work for just over a year. The big thing that I'm starting to see is a lot of job postings that want people who can do all the TV stuff AND know HTML. I seriously wonder if they'd be asking for so much if it weren't for the recession.

A weird thing about TV/video/film is that it tends to be the kind of industry where its hard to get your foot in the door (almost no entry level jobs available), but once you have say, 10 years experience, it supposedly gets a lot better.

I feel like the $27,000/year figure is skewed by a lot of really shameless stations that know they can get away with paying almost nothing in this economy, especially to the less-experienced younger people, who are the most desperate. I had one friend making something like $19,000/year for a while. I had another station offer me $18,200/year- I did the math and I literally couldn't live on that figure anywhere near that city.

That said, the station I just interviewed with was OK with paying me $32k a year plus benefits and another one was talking about at least $42,000/year.

The biggest problems with TV and radio are the ridiculously poor job security and the extreme difficulty breaking into the industry.

I agree. after I had 8 years in radio and I was doing ok money wise, they started cutting back on staff big time. Everytime they got rid of someone they would split up their duties. So you had people wearing 2-3 different hats. I was a jack of all trades too, I was pretty much everyone assistant from the fleet manager to the production people to the office manager. Funny thing was after they laid me off they noticed all the shiatty little jobs I did were not getting done until someone informed them they had laid me off. They seemed suprised I did so much work there. Last I heard they pretty much make interns do everything.

These lists always depress me....

See, I went into Software Development because I really enjoyed playing around with code on my computer back in the day. It seemed a natural choice. I went to college and majored in Computed Science. I did pretty good, did some internships, got a better than average first job, went in consulting. I loved to say I was going 'downtown to the office' and my cube was on the 43rd floor with a great view (when I wasn't at a client site).

But there just wasn't any sense of completeness, ya know? Sure, it wasn't bad, the pay was alright, the conditions seemed good....but it was still 'work'. And I wasn't exactly rich either.

I found a small software company - no more being a consultant or a cost center. Now I *was* the only profit center. I moved out west and was ready to live it up. Got myself a nice house and all that jazz. But the company wasn't as great as I was lead to believe. A lot of my coworkers were lazy and not very skilled. I excelled, but also got lazy. I'd work 35 hours or so each week. But I still didn't feel 'complete'. I started thinking about a career change, but I didn't know what to go into. Particularly when Software Engineering is often so damn high on these job rankings.

I thought being a Professor and TEACHING computer science would be fun....so I got my Masters degree in Computer Science. But I quickly realized academia (at least most of it) is a steaming pile of crap. I didn't want to spend the rest of my life churning out lame 'research' papers. Maybe I could teach some night classes at a community college; but I have no desire to get a PhD and try to be a professor. A tiny 20,000 dollar mistake. Oh well.

Next thing I knew, I was in another country working for an international company - in the financial sector. The pay is better, and my coworkers are hardworking, highly skilled. Now I just blend in, instead of excel. Lots of nice perks - free breakfast, hot lunches served daily, crap like that; but I've realized I'm averaging about 50 hours at my desk; ignoring commute time and all that crap. I enjoy the work I do, but I'm still left thinking, 'Eh, now what?'.

Now I wish I would have just accepted that work would be a 'job' and would have gone into a field that would pay better. But there isn't anything else I found as enjoyable on my own as Software and there isn't any reason to believe whatever other career I could switch to would be any better; particularly when these lists keep telling me I have the #1 job :(

xnxax: Retail insurance agent.

They'll give anyone a license and your income is limited by your drive

Provided you pass the tests for the various lines. I worked with a guy who couldn't pass the Property and Health exams on his seventh try.

amishkarl: Mouthoy: Nifty. I grew up with the #2 most stressful, studied for the #1 best, and work on the #9 best.

/milking cows SUUUUUUUCKS
//tractors are fun, though

I disagree. Milking cows is great. Very relaxing. Driving tractor is just dull unless its loader work.

/dairy farmer
//screw your cubicle jobs

What milking setup to you have? When I was growing up, we just had a vacuum pipeline with portable milkers. It was god awful. When we sold the family farm, my father moved to a bigger operation that has an 80 head swing parlor. That is pretty sweet, he can milk 200 in the same amount of time as it took for us to milk 50.

/respect to farmers - they keep us fed!

Father_Jack: minuslars: Master's degree in Chemistry. Salary of a lumberjack. Where did I go wrong.

you didnt take a job in basel switzerland working for novartis or one of the other big pharma companies, or choose to work for the military.

i know a few phds in chemistry. one ended up teaching chemistry to HS students, another ended up becoming a massage therapist.

I work at a newspaper. We have two ladies with chemistry degrees (masters) fielding calls and doing "community" stories.

/I have a graphics technology degree and am the web guy, so I'm in the right field at least. I'm sick of sitting behind a desk though.

As a software engineer, I gotta say that it can be a great job when you're with the right people. Or, it can be very, very frustrating with the wrong people.

But that can be said of most jobs, I suspect.

Yay for being in the top 3 in worst jobs and most stressful...meh, could be worse.

SuperNinjaToad: I've known more than a handful of programmers, software engineers etc who hate their jobs. A few actually quit and got into blue collar occupation. Heck I actualy met this guy who went from an Oracle developer(software engineer) to tree trimming business (lumberjack) and he'll tell you he is much much happier than he was before. $$ ain;t bad either.

Software engineer, work for awesome company, love job!

Seriously though, it probably depends a lot more on the company and who your coworkers are than what your job function is.

abitofbuffalo: I guess Key Grip is too much of a niche job to be considered for this list, but where else do you get to watch people jump off of buildings, and rig lights & other film equipment dangerously overhead of actors all while getting paid to be there. I love my job, but it can get super stressful sometimes.

I'm of the opinion the best, worst, least, and most stressful jobs don't employ enough people to make these lists. Basically, if someone asks "what's that?" then you'll never see your profession listed, which could be a good thing for keeping your pay rate high.