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2012-04-13 04:02:11 PM  

PoochUMD: Why did he hang up? That was weird. Why hang up with 911 when you are following someone?

He hung up because he lost sight of the kid a full 2 minutes ago and had stopped actively following him when the dispatcher said they didn't need him to do that.


Just what in the evidence that has come to light so far gives you the idea that Zimmerman stopped pursuing Martin after the dispatcher told him not to?
 
2012-04-13 04:03:13 PM  

SwingingJohnson: PoochUMD: SwingingJohnson: s2s2s2: SwingingJohnson: but may have also lost his bearings as to the location of his father's GF's condo. He did not live there and may have been lost along with being followed in the dark by a stranger.

So it is possible his behavior might have looked suspicious?

More likely it started looking suspicious AFTER he started following the kid.

Just put yourself in Trayvon's shoes that night. You are being followed by a stranger in the dark in an SUV. You have no idea who it is. Then the guy gets out of his vehicle and is following you on foot.

WTF would you do? You don't know who this is and maybe you aren't sure exactly where your Dad's GF's condo is.

This was a perfect storm of a Neighborhood Watch person doing what he should not have done. He hung up his 911 call and followed a "suspicious asshole" on foot. But George felt he could do that because he's packing a LOADED farkING GUN.

The 911 operator told him NOT TO FOLLOW.

The shooting happened a full minute after George said OK and hung up.

Why did he hang up? That was weird. Why hang up with 911 when you are following someone?

He hung up because he lost sight of the kid a full 2 minutes ago and had stopped actively following him when the dispatcher said they didn't need him to do that.

THEN WHY THE FARK WAS ZIMMERMAN NOT SITTING IN HIS FARKING SUV STAYING DRY AND WAITING FOR THE COPS TO COME?

Anyway... you nor I know the exact timeline of calls yet so until then, chill.


This point doesn't matter. He had the right to be where he was. Why do you keep bringing it up? It's the equivalent of arguing that Martin was responsible because he didn't immediately go home. Him going home would have prevented this whole thing as well.
 
2012-04-13 04:03:47 PM  

skoobx: I have it on good authority that silver bikini girl lives near Sanford. That is the real issue here. We should be praying for her safety. Oh yeah, Zimmerman is screwed. And I think in honor if Trayvon Martin, grables daughter should send me a sexy hoody photo set. Eip.
/yeah, I turned a racist troll fest into a bie request.


Is Bikini Girl real?

: )
 
2012-04-13 04:04:16 PM  

s2s2s2: SwingingJohnson: Just put yourself in Trayvon's shoes that night

There is no way I can do that. Insulting to Tray to suggest I could.

SwingingJohnson: George said OK and hung up

Why are you skipping the minute and a half George remained on the phone?

Dispatcher: Alright George, I'll let them know to meet you around there okay? Zimmerman: Actually could you have them call me and I'll tell them where I'm at? Dispatcher: Okay, yeah that's no problem.
Zimmerman: Should I give you my number or you got it?
Dispatcher: Yeah I got it [redacted by Mother Jones]
Zimmerman: Yeah you got it.
Dispatcher: Okay no problem, I'll let them know to call you when you're in the area.
Zimmerman: Thanks.
Dispatcher: You're welcome.

Sure is polite for a Hunter. ;)


So why did he get from the SUV to the death location after he hung up?

Did his secret RED BAT PHONE start ringing?

oi41.tinypic.com
 
2012-04-13 04:08:04 PM  

tirob: Just what in the evidence that has come to light so far gives you the idea that Zimmerman stopped pursuing Martin after the dispatcher told him not to?


We don't know that Zimmerman didn't continue walking around the area looking for Martin. We do know that Zimmerman stopped running a few seconds after the dispatcher suggests that he need not follow. We also know that Zimmerman had no idea where Martin was at that point and once the official timeline is released, we'll know how much time passed between the end of Zimmerman's call and the shooting. We also know that the confrontation and shooting took place in the general area where Zimmerman was during the call to the dispatcher.
 
2012-04-13 04:08:51 PM  

tirob: PoochUMD: Why did he hang up? That was weird. Why hang up with 911 when you are following someone?

He hung up because he lost sight of the kid a full 2 minutes ago and had stopped actively following him when the dispatcher said they didn't need him to do that.

Just what in the evidence that has come to light so far gives you the idea that Zimmerman stopped pursuing Martin after the dispatcher told him not to?


He's out of shape and was breathing hard while he was running and said that he was running. After they said that he didn't need to, he said "ok" and his breathing normalized.
 
2012-04-13 04:08:53 PM  

SwingingJohnson: THEN WHY THE FARK WAS ZIMMERMAN NOT SITTING IN HIS FARKING SUV STAYING DRY AND WAITING FOR THE COPS TO COME?


Clearly because he is a cold blooded killer, it just took him 10 years and 46 calls to 911 to set up a sufficient pretense for his calculated plan!

Or...

Because he, having to do so much inferring with Captain Hint of the dispatch center, may have interpreted "Which way is he running?" as a reason to get out of the car, because Trayvon was already out of sight?

Not that that was what he should have done. But it isn't illegal to have done so.
 
2012-04-13 04:10:25 PM  

s2s2s2: Clearly because he is a cold blooded killer, it just took him 10 years and 46 calls to 911 to set up a sufficient pretense for his calculated plan!


well he does have a history of violence...
 
2012-04-13 04:10:37 PM  

9beers: eyewitness


Gotta have that eyeball witness.
verityjes.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-04-13 04:11:41 PM  

9beers: tirob: FTFY

*facepalm*

There you go again.

I know, right? There I go using the testimony of a farking eyewitness. Seriously, listen to yourself.


The statement "John" made to FoxNewsOrlando wasn't made under oath and consequently isn't testimony, at least in a legal sense.

That "John" said he saw something does not mean that it is a fact that he saw it notwithstanding your assertion to the contrary.

You have a pretty good command of the evidence that has come to light so far and a remarkable propensity for making much more of that evidence than actually exists in it when it suits your purposes to do so. As long as you keep shoveling crap here, I am going to keep calling you on it to the best of my ability.
 
2012-04-13 04:13:00 PM  

Headso: s2s2s2: Clearly because he is a cold blooded killer, it just took him 10 years and 46 calls to 911 to set up a sufficient pretense for his calculated plan!

well he does have a history of violence...


If he just wanted to shoot a black kid for no reason that night why did he call 911 first and why didn't he just shoot him on first sight? Would have saved him a lot of running.
 
2012-04-13 04:13:08 PM  

Headso: well he does have a history of violence...


So I've heard. Also a history of public service. Even against police inaction.
 
2012-04-13 04:15:56 PM  

tirob: I am going to keep calling you on it to the best of my ability.


Will that include no speculation on your part?
 
2012-04-13 04:16:37 PM  

s2s2s2: Headso: well he does have a history of violence...

So I've heard. Also a history of public service. Even against police inaction.


He does take matters in to his own hands, that's for sure.
 
2012-04-13 04:17:01 PM  
Beside the questions being pretty horrible, it does show an interesting tri-chotomy between whites, blacks and white-hispanics.

Link (new window)
 
2012-04-13 04:17:08 PM  

Silly Jesus: SwingingJohnson: PoochUMD: SwingingJohnson: s2s2s2:

This point doesn't matter. He had the right to be where he was. Why do you keep bringing it up? It's the equivalent of arguing that Martin was responsible because he didn't immediately go home. Him going home would have prevented this whole thing as well.


That's debatable. He was armed and acting as a Neighborhood Watch Person following someone he perceived as "an asshole who always gets away and up to no good".

There is some credible evidence that Trayvon shouted, "WHY ARE YOU FOLLOWING ME?!"

There is no evidence that Zimmerman identified himself. So far the evidence we have is he confronted Martin and a scuffle began.

Also, Trayvon said, 'What, are you following me for,' and the man said, 'What are you doing here.' Next thing I hear is somebody pushing (Tray's GF said)

But then look at the distance from SUV to shooting. Look at the photos of the apartment complex. There are no places for Trayvon to hide so he could sneak out and attack.

No sir, he was confronted. The exact thing the 911 told him not to do.
 
2012-04-13 04:17:35 PM  

s2s2s2: Headso: well he does have a history of violence...

So I've heard. Also a history of public service. Even against police inaction.


Shhh, you're supposed to leave the part out. It doesn't fit the racist narrative that he worked with the NAACP and rallied the community to get justice for a black person.
 
2012-04-13 04:18:49 PM  

Headso: He does take matters in to his own hands, that's for sure.


I thought he is married...oh wait, nm.
 
2012-04-13 04:21:00 PM  

tirob: The statement "John" made to FoxNewsOrlando wasn't made under oath and consequently isn't testimony, at least in a legal sense.

That "John" said he saw something does not mean that it is a fact that he saw it notwithstanding your assertion to the contrary.



I'd say it's safe to assume that what John said to the local news station will be the testimony he gives in court. It's not a fact that an eyewitness saw a black guy on top of a white guy and the white guy was screaming for help? What's your angle here, is the prosecution going to try to prove that John is really a racist and a card carrying member of the KKK?

It's just so hilarious to me that you want to present the girlfriends statement as evidence to something while trying to discredit an eyewitness.
 
2012-04-13 04:21:00 PM  

SwingingJohnson: So far the evidence we have is he confronted


Followed ≠ Confronted.

Rounded the corner and hid in ambush makes more sense.
 
2012-04-13 04:21:20 PM  

Grables'Daughter: skoobx: I have it on good authority that silver bikini girl lives near Sanford. That is the real issue here. We should be praying for her safety. Oh yeah, Zimmerman is screwed. And I think in honor if Trayvon Martin, grables daughter should send me a sexy hoody photo set. Eip.
/yeah, I turned a racist troll fest into a bie request.

Is Bikini Girl real?

: )


Yes. And she acknowledges it. And she ready does live near there.
 
2012-04-13 04:23:08 PM  
Ready should be really. I should proof read.
 
2012-04-13 04:24:45 PM  

SwingingJohnson: Silly Jesus: SwingingJohnson: PoochUMD: SwingingJohnson: s2s2s2:

This point doesn't matter. He had the right to be where he was. Why do you keep bringing it up? It's the equivalent of arguing that Martin was responsible because he didn't immediately go home. Him going home would have prevented this whole thing as well.

That's debatable. He was armed and acting as a Neighborhood Watch Person following someone he perceived as "an asshole who always gets away and up to no good".

There is some credible evidence that Trayvon shouted, "WHY ARE YOU FOLLOWING ME?!"

There is no evidence that Zimmerman identified himself. So far the evidence we have is he confronted Martin and a scuffle began.

Also, Trayvon said, 'What, are you following me for,' and the man said, 'What are you doing here.' Next thing I hear is somebody pushing (Tray's GF said)

But then look at the distance from SUV to shooting. Look at the photos of the apartment complex. There are no places for Trayvon to hide so he could sneak out and attack.

No sir, he was confronted. The exact thing the 911 told him not to do.


It's not debatable. Please cite what he did leading up to the scuffle that was illegal? Also, why do you feel that Zimmerman was obligated to identify himself?

Also, if there was no place to hide, please tell me what all of the white fences are in this picture.

www.tampabay.com

911 never said "don't confront him", and even if they had that isn't a lawful order. On top of that they said more things to lead someone to believe that they wanted Zimmerman to continue following than they did leading you to believe that they wanted him to stop. Where is he going?, Where is he now? etc. VS. "We don't need you to do that."
 
2012-04-13 04:25:00 PM  

Jackson Herring: Hee heee noo. For one thing, this isn't the politics tab. For another thing, the people you think are "clobbering" you are well-known shiatposting troll alt accounts.


Suspecting one of being a troll does not disprove their reason in any given post.

1+1 = 17 is still not a fact, no matter how much of an ass-hat butt-hook I am, and conversely 1+1 =2 is a fact, no matter how mean I can get.

I could attack GD for being an attention whore and being in over her head, but that doesn't mean she's wrong if she were to say 1+1 =2. It's irrelevant as to the truthiness of what she posts.

Unfortunately, she was correct in saying that she is in over her head.

Just because GZ could have avoided the whole night by making a different decision at point X(say, getting out of his car, I don't remember GD's statement). that is not indicative of Murder.

The coices of any number of peolpe could have affected what happened that night. If only the weather were different. If only Martin's mom had Trev killed in an abortion, he wouldn't have been killed that night.(just to make sure you're paying attention mind you)
If the Dispatcher made a more firm command than "we don't need you to do that"
or a hundred thousand other things

Stupid choices, or random act of chance, are only identifiers of being human.
Hindsight being 20/20, crying about What IF, is pointless.
 
2012-04-13 04:28:17 PM  

s2s2s2: SwingingJohnson: So far the evidence we have is he confronted

Followed ≠ Confronted.

Rounded the corner and hid in ambush makes more sense.


'What, are you following me for,' and the man said, 'What are you doing here.'
= Confronted

And this report makes it more confusing:

According to Tracy Martin (mother), the Sanford, Fla., detective recounted this sequence of events: Trayvon Martin walked up to Zimmerman's vehicle and asked why he was following him. Zimmerman denied following the youth and rolled up the car window. Minutes after Trayvon walked away, Zimmerman got out of his vehicle.

He rolled up his window? Really?

If this is actually written in a police report... none of us know WTF happened that night.
 
2012-04-13 04:28:33 PM  

Silly Jesus: tirob: PoochUMD: Why did he hang up? That was weird. Why hang up with 911 when you are following someone?

He hung up because he lost sight of the kid a full 2 minutes ago and had stopped actively following him when the dispatcher said they didn't need him to do that.

Just what in the evidence that has come to light so far gives you the idea that Zimmerman stopped pursuing Martin after the dispatcher told him not to?

He's out of shape and was breathing hard while he was running and said that he was running. After they said that he didn't need to, he said "ok" and his breathing normalized.


That still doesn't necessarily mean that he gave up his pursuit. It is evidence only that he slowed down the pace at which he was going.

9beers: tirob: Just what in the evidence that has come to light so far gives you the idea that Zimmerman stopped pursuing Martin after the dispatcher told him not to?

We don't know that Zimmerman didn't continue walking around the area looking for Martin.


Right.

9beers: tirob:

We do know that Zimmerman stopped running a few seconds after the dispatcher suggests that he need not follow. We also know that Zimmerman had no idea where Martin was at that point and once the official timeline is released, we'll know how much time passed between the end of Zimmerman's call and the shooting. We also know that the confrontation and shooting took place in the general area where Zimmerman was during the call to the dispatcher.


We don't know the pace at which Zimmerman was going at any time during the 911 call, so we don't know if Zimmerman ever ran. We don't know where Zimmerman was when he was on the phone with the dispatcher and where that place was/those places were in relation to where the confrontation occurred. I concede that Zimmerman's utterances to the dispatcher are evidence that he had lost sight of Martin at some point during the time he was on the phone. I think that we'll have to wait and see *whether* it can be determined by comparing the various 911 calls how much time passed between the end of Zimmerman's call and the shooting.
 
2012-04-13 04:30:39 PM  

SwingingJohnson: According to Tracy Martin (mother father), the Sanford, Fla., detective recounted this sequence of events: Trayvon Martin walked up to Zimmerman's vehicle and asked why he was following him. Zimmerman denied following the youth and rolled up the car window. Minutes after Trayvon walked away, Zimmerman got out of his vehicle.

He rolled up his window? Really?

If this is actually written in a police report... none of us know WTF happened that night.


His mother's name is Sabrina Fulton.

So Tracy watched all that stuff happen? Did Tray run home and tell him, then run back out to confront George?
 
2012-04-13 04:30:58 PM  

tirob: Silly Jesus: tirob: PoochUMD:


There is a lot of math involved in solving this problem.
 
2012-04-13 04:31:50 PM  

s2s2s2: tirob: I am going to keep calling you on it to the best of my ability.

Will that include no speculation on your part?


If I speculate I will try to use the words "guess" or "think" as I have tried to do up to now.
 
2012-04-13 04:31:58 PM  

SwingingJohnson: And this report makes it more confusing:

According to Tracy Martin (mother), the Sanford, Fla., detective recounted this sequence of events: Trayvon Martin walked up to Zimmerman's vehicle and asked why he was following him. Zimmerman denied following the youth and rolled up the car window. Minutes after Trayvon walked away, Zimmerman got out of his vehicle.

He rolled up his window? Really?

If this is actually written in a police report... none of us know WTF happened that night.


That's obviously not true, given what we know.
 
2012-04-13 04:32:00 PM  

s2s2s2: SwingingJohnson: According to Tracy Martin (mother father), the Sanford, Fla., detective recounted this sequence of events: Trayvon Martin walked up to Zimmerman's vehicle and asked why he was following him. Zimmerman denied following the youth and rolled up the car window. Minutes after Trayvon walked away, Zimmerman got out of his vehicle.

He rolled up his window? Really?

If this is actually written in a police report... none of us know WTF happened that night.

His mother's name is Sabrina Fulton.

So Tracy watched all that stuff happen? Did Tray run home and tell him, then run back out to confront George?


Oops! My bad. Got a name wrong.

CASE DISMISSED!
 
2012-04-13 04:33:45 PM  

tirob: If I speculate I will try to use the words "guess" or "think" as I have tried to do up to now.


Me too, except for the ambush thing. I like that one.
 
2012-04-13 04:34:14 PM  

tirob: We don't know the pace at which Zimmerman was going at any time during the 911 call, so we don't know if Zimmerman ever ran.


You're hopeless dude, we know that Zimmerman was running based on what we hear during his 911 call. The dispatcher recognized it, why can't you?
 
2012-04-13 04:34:55 PM  

SwingingJohnson: Got a name wrong


Also...also got a name wrong.

So yeah, Case Dismissed.


/takes a moment to put my hand on your shoulder and tell you. I am not against you. I am with you, to the truth.
 
2012-04-13 04:35:27 PM  

SwingingJohnson: 'What, are you following me for,' and the man said, 'What are you doing here.'= Confronted

And this report makes it more confusing:

According to Tracy Martin (mother), the Sanford, Fla., detective recounted this sequence of events: Trayvon Martin walked up to Zimmerman's vehicle and asked why he was following him. Zimmerman denied following the youth and rolled up the car window. Minutes after Trayvon walked away, Zimmerman got out of his vehicle.

He rolled up his window? Really?

If this is actually written in a police report... none of us know WTF happened that night.



That story is nonsense. He was on the phone with dispatch...it's recorded until he gets out of the car.
 
2012-04-13 04:35:44 PM  

tirob: We don't know where Zimmerman was when he was on the phone with the dispatcher


We do know where he was because not only does he describe his location, we have the location of where he leaves his vehicle and takes off running.
 
2012-04-13 04:36:20 PM  

s2s2s2: SwingingJohnson: According to Tracy Martin (father), the Sanford, Fla., detective recounted this sequence of events: Trayvon Martin walked up to Zimmerman's vehicle and asked why he was following him. Zimmerman denied following the youth and rolled up the car window. Minutes after Trayvon walked away, Zimmerman got out of his vehicle.

He rolled up his window? Really?

If this is actually written in a police report... none of us know WTF happened that night.

His mother's name is Sabrina Fulton.

So Tracy watched all that stuff happen? Did Tray run home and tell him, then run back out to confront George?


What was in first sentence in my post?

Go ahead... take your time. Sound out all the words. Let me make the letters big for you:

According to Tracy Martin (father), the Sanford, Fla detective recounted this sequence of events:
 
2012-04-13 04:37:49 PM  
advocate tough on crime and no tolerance for criminal behavior.
whine about prosecutor doing things you advocate for.
you can't explain that.
 
2012-04-13 04:40:01 PM  

PoochUMD: ChuDogg: 1) There is simply not enough time for Zimmerman to chase and confront Martin
2) There is simply not enough distance for Zimmerman to chase and confront Martin.

Conclusion: Martin approached Zimmerman

It is possible that after Zimmerman hung of the phone, we walked a few feet down the path and inadvertently come across Martin's hiding spot.


This is true. That was a hasty conclusion to make. It is likely that Zimmerman paced forward slightly as he was on the phone with 911 for the remainder of his call, staring off into the distance wondering if the suspect had run all the way down. Then towards the end of his call he begins to worry that the suspect could actually be nearby and we hear him get scared, he cuts himself off from giving out his address to the police dispatch.

At this point he probably turns around and is looking at the sides into poeple's patios, as before he was just staring straight off ahead thinking he had ran so he wasn't looking when he walked right past him, and it's possible he spot's Martin in one of the patios on the way back,. Since we don't know how it started I'll stop there, but it did end with Zimmerman on the ground at his location in the sidewalk.

I don't think Martin was the scared one here, if anything I could see ZImmerman being much more scared seeing Martin now hiding in the patios. I hope we are not still on this narrative at this point in time:

www.wagist.com

static.globalgrind.com
www.bagnewsnotes.com

Notice these aren't "thug" pictures it's just the truth. Treyvon is a skinny dude but he doesn't look weak by any stretch of the imagination.

Meanwhile on Zimmerman's side

www.theblaze.com

We have a short and lanky guy. Even his lawyer said he was surprised how much shorter he was in real life than what he had thought. His lawyer said he was 6'2. Martin has been described between 6'1 and 6'3, don't know if that's been confirmed. But Treyvon would have towered over him and wouldn't not have been scared by him at all.

Especially at 17, I was 17 once, there wasn't too many things that would scare me at the age (stupidly).
 
2012-04-13 04:42:32 PM  

SwingingJohnson: What was in first sentence in my post?

Go ahead... take your time. Sound out all the words. Let me make the letters big for you:


So the detective was there? Well now you have your dereliction of duty case!
 
2012-04-13 04:43:21 PM  

Silly Jesus: SwingingJohnson: Silly Jesus: SwingingJohnson: PoochUMD: SwingingJohnson: s2s2s2:

This point doesn't matter. He had the right to be where he was. Why do you keep bringing it up? It's the equivalent of arguing that Martin was responsible because he didn't immediately go home. Him going home would have prevented this whole thing as well.

That's debatable. He was armed and acting as a Neighborhood Watch Person following someone he perceived as "an asshole who always gets away and up to no good".

There is some credible evidence that Trayvon shouted, "WHY ARE YOU FOLLOWING ME?!"

There is no evidence that Zimmerman identified himself. So far the evidence we have is he confronted Martin and a scuffle began.

Also, Trayvon said, 'What, are you following me for,' and the man said, 'What are you doing here.' Next thing I hear is somebody pushing (Tray's GF said)

But then look at the distance from SUV to shooting. Look at the photos of the apartment complex. There are no places for Trayvon to hide so he could sneak out and attack.

No sir, he was confronted. The exact thing the 911 told him not to do.

It's not debatable. Please cite what he did leading up to the scuffle that was illegal? Also, why do you feel that Zimmerman was obligated to identify himself?

Also, if there was no place to hide, please tell me what all of the white fences are in this picture.

[www.tampabay.com image 450x313]

911 never said "don't confront him", and even if they had that isn't a lawful order. On top of that they said more things to lead someone to believe that they wanted Zimmerman to continue following than they did leading you to believe that they wanted him to stop. Where is he going?, Where is he now? etc. VS. "We don't need you to do that."


With that same logic I can go to TACO BELL, eat 3 burritos and a Mexican Pizza... track you down on the street and fart directly in your face.

HEY! I'm just minding my own business. No law that says I can't fart here.

OH You don't like that?! You're going to hit me? OUCH! HELP! HELP!

BUT WAIT! I have a gun and you are kicking my ass. I guess I should shoot you.

BANG! your dead.

Oh gee whiz! I'm sorry. It was just self defense.
 
2012-04-13 04:45:39 PM  
Advocate for criminal protections for the rights of the accused.
Whine when they protect somebody you don't like.
You can't explain that.
 
2012-04-13 04:46:14 PM  

SwingingJohnson: HEY! I'm just minding my own business. No law that says I can't fart here.

OH You don't like that?! You're going to hit me? OUCH! HELP! HELP!

BUT WAIT! I have a gun and you are kicking my ass. I guess I should shoot you.

BANG! your dead.

Oh gee whiz! I'm sorry. It was just self defense.


SwingingJohnson: The Voice of Reason.
 
2012-04-13 04:46:26 PM  

9beers: tirob: The statement "John" made to FoxNewsOrlando wasn't made under oath and consequently isn't testimony, at least in a legal sense.

That "John" said he saw something does not mean that it is a fact that he saw it notwithstanding your assertion to the contrary.


I'd say it's safe to assume that what John said to the local news station will be the testimony he gives in court. It's not a fact that an eyewitness saw a black guy on top of a white guy and the white guy was screaming for help? What's your angle here, is the prosecution going to try to prove that John is really a racist and a card carrying member of the KKK?

It's just so hilarious to me that you want to present the girlfriends statement as evidence to something while trying to discredit an eyewitness.


I have *speculated* that the *State* will attempt to use the girlfriend's version of Martin's last phone call as evidence, and I have no means to discredit "John" because I have no evidence of how reliable a witness he is or will be. The same goes for the girlfriend. If the girlfriend and John both testify at the preliminary hearing, both of their testimonies will be evidence. It will be up to the judge there, not me, not you, to weigh that evidence.

"John" SAID he saw what he saw. That doesn't make it fact, and it is not testimony--yet--although you have asserted the opposite to be true. The girl IS SAID TO have heard what she heard. You have said that you disbelieve her and I have no means of proving that you are mistaken in doing so.

Safe to assume, huh? Based on my experience arguing with you here, the last thing I would do would be to take for granted anything that you say is "safe to assume."
 
2012-04-13 04:46:37 PM  

s2s2s2: SwingingJohnson: What was in first sentence in my post?

Go ahead... take your time. Sound out all the words. Let me make the letters big for you:

So the detective was there? Well now you have your dereliction of duty case!


Well if the detective told Tray's father that it was the sequence of events did the detective just make that up?
 
2012-04-13 04:49:04 PM  

ChuDogg: Advocate for criminal protections for the rights of the accused.
Whine when they protect somebody you don't like.
You can't explain that.


I think the same people that advocate no tolerance laws also advocate for protections for shooting suspicious people in their neighborhoods. I could be wrong though but the whole it's in florida is the tipoff.
 
2012-04-13 04:49:31 PM  

SwingingJohnson: Well if the detective told Tray's father that it was the sequence of events did the detective just make that up?


So if the girlfriend is on the phone with him before George gets out of his car, then the pushing while George is on the phone with 911, they were fighting the whole time?

No wonder his breathing was heightened.
 
2012-04-13 04:49:32 PM  

s2s2s2:

SwingingJohnson: The Voice of Reason.


Thank you.

About time you admit that.
 
2012-04-13 04:51:21 PM  

s2s2s2: Technoir: no legal authority whatsoever to question or detain him

Authority to question? He had every right to ask questions.
Authority to detain? When, exactly, did he do that?


Yes. ANYONE can "ask questions".

But authority to detain comes in - when someone thinks the person they are questioning - is under ANY OBLIGATION WHATSOEVER - to stick around and answer those questions.
If the person chooses to just roll their eyes and keep on strolling THAT is NOT in ANY WAY "suspicious or illegal behavior".

Using public transportation and even more often - WALKING as my "mode of transportation" - I have been amazed at the number of folks who assume - that since I'm on foot - they can quiz me on "whatever" as I walk by.

I DO NOT talk to strangers - so I routinely walk silently on by - which, more often than not, spurs the "questioners" into making angry or rude remarks, that they yell out to me as I disappear down the road.

Oddly, no matter HOW MANY cars with rolled down windows - stop at stop signs in front of them - people rarely race up to the driver's window, to interrogate drivers regarding their immediate plans.

And the preconceived notions concerning "hoodies" are NOTHING compared to ones concerning "backpacks"!
 
2012-04-13 04:51:31 PM  

SwingingJohnson: s2s2s2:

SwingingJohnson: The Voice of Reason.

Thank you.

About time you admit that.


We all knew it, all along.
 
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