Jackson Herring: Grables'Daughter: Or just trolling.

Do you remember the first time you posted in a politics tab thread, and you were like "I'm afraid to be in this tab" and I was like "the politics tab makes the main page look like youtube comments"? I present to you this thread.

Nah it still isn't as bad as Youtube. I remember watching a Youtube video for a bank commercial and the white supremacists were upset because it featured a black dad with his kids watching as a bunch of white kids were blowing their money on a claw machine game because the goal of the commercial was to try to teach kids how to better save their money. But that got people upset because black people never save their money and blow it on drugs or something, and then they went on some tangent about the Jews.

Good times...

Fark is pretty classy compared to that.

ChuDogg: Grables'Daughter: 9beers: Grables'Daughter: The facts seem to say that GZ killed TM outright,

What facts would those be?

Um, well, TM was unarmed, and GZ was. For starters.

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So we have a law that says you can carry and use firearms for self defense, but when using a firearm for self defense the fact that you were carrying the firearm is evidence it was not self defense? Is that really what you are saying?

DId you get your GED in Law from an unsolicited email?

Of course I do not have a law degree.

And to be fair, I probably have no idea what I am talking about.

But I have my opinion, and that is how things look to me.

Mrtraveler01: Well he shot a 17 year old. We know that. We know a fight happened before that and the only eyewitness you believe only saw the middle of it.

Yet what they saw still comports with George's statement to police.

Jackson Herring: Grables'Daughter: Or just trolling.

Do you remember the first time you posted in a politics tab thread, and you were like "I'm afraid to be in this tab" and I was like "the politics tab makes the main page look like youtube comments"? I present to you this thread.

Yeah, I know.

I am probably way out of my league here in that I have my thoughts, but not enough facts to support them... and I am in the middle of getting clobbered here.

Maybe I should just stop.

Carth: Mrtraveler01: 9beers: Mrtraveler01: I know, black people are scary. Amiright?

It's funny that you have to resort to stupid comments like that because even after all this time, you still can't offer up any facts that prove Zimmerman committed a crime.

Well he shot a 17 year old. We know that. We know a fight happened before that and the only eyewitness you believe only saw the middle of it.

I don't know what happened, you don't know what happened, we're both only relying on speculation.

If no one really knows what happens how are they going to convict him? Is speculation really enough for 2nd degree murder?

No, this is going to turn out just like the Casey Anthony case in that regard since unless they find something out, it'll be hard to convict him.

I think manslaughter is pretty appropriate myself if they're not able to proof that he shot Martin in self-defense.

Mrtraveler01: Well he shot a 17 year old.

What does his age have to do with anything? This same prosecutor recently charged a 12 year old as an adult, with murder for the accidental killing of his 2 year old brother. She doesn't think that a minor is incapable of committing adult crimes, why do you?

Mrtraveler01: Basically, this proves that vigilante justice can result in very very bad outcomes. Especially when you have no proof Martin was doing anything wrong.

No wonder this guy never became a cop.

But if he had, his word would have magically become all the "proof" the system needed. There would be no trial. He'd be on patrol, probably this very minute.

s2s2s2: Mrtraveler01: Well he shot a 17 year old. We know that. We know a fight happened before that and the only eyewitness you believe only saw the middle of it.

Yet what they saw still comports with George's statement to police.

Weren't there others who conflict with that eyewitness though.

It's still pretty hard to get the conclusion that Martin started the fight just based on the fact that one guy saw Martin on top of Zimmerman during the middle of the fight.

9beers: SwingingJohnson: I'm just posting here that with all the evidence we all have right now the "Stand Your Ground" defense is not holding up.

Like so many other people, you say that and then offer nothing to back it up. None of the evidence shows that Zimmerman confronted or assaulted Martin. Without that, you have no case.

Excuse me? You you dense?

I posted transcripts of a 911 cal and an inter-active map of the timeline of events.

Go troll someone else now.

9beers: What does his age have to do with anything?

It doesn't. I'm just saying we know that Zimmerman shot someone (Martin).

9beers: She doesn't think that a minor is incapable of committing adult crimes, why do you?

I don't. I just haven't seen anything to think that Martin started the fight.

/Defensive much?

Just like OJ, Zim will walk. Hell, maybe because of OJ.

9beers: Mrtraveler01: Well he shot a 17 year old.

What does his age have to do with anything? This same prosecutor recently charged a 12 year old as an adult, with murder for the accidental killing of his 2 year old brother. She doesn't think that a minor is incapable of committing adult crimes, why do you?

Why are you so mad? A republican prosecuter appointed by a Republican governor.

Are you nervous you racist jackass?

Mrtraveler01: Carth: Mrtraveler01: 9beers: Mrtraveler01: I know, black people are scary. Amiright?

It's funny that you have to resort to stupid comments like that because even after all this time, you still can't offer up any facts that prove Zimmerman committed a crime.

Well he shot a 17 year old. We know that. We know a fight happened before that and the only eyewitness you believe only saw the middle of it.

I don't know what happened, you don't know what happened, we're both only relying on speculation.

If no one really knows what happens how are they going to convict him? Is speculation really enough for 2nd degree murder?

No, this is going to turn out just like the Casey Anthony case in that regard since unless they find something out, it'll be hard to convict him.

I think manslaughter is pretty appropriate myself if they're not able to proof that he shot Martin in self-defense.

I agree I was expecting a man slaughter case, which from what I've heard about the available evidence seems easier to prove. I think this is going to turn out to be a bigger circus than Casey Anthony if they broadcast the daily proceedings on tv.

Jackson Herring: Grables'Daughter: Jackson Herring: Grables'Daughter: Or just trolling.

Do you remember the first time you posted in a politics tab thread, and you were like "I'm afraid to be in this tab" and I was like "the politics tab makes the main page look like youtube comments"? I present to you this thread.

Yeah, I know.

I am probably way out of my league here in that I have my thoughts, but not enough facts to support them... and I am in the middle of getting clobbered here.

Maybe I should just stop.

No, what I am saying is that there is no "here". This thread, right here on the main page, is fark.com.

LOL so you're saying I should:

1. Never post on the politics tab again
2. Keep giving my opinion, this thread is the same as any on Fark.com
3. Stop posting my opinion altogether

: )

Carth: Mrtraveler01: Carth: Mrtraveler01: 9beers: Mrtraveler01: I know, black people are scary. Amiright?

It's funny that you have to resort to stupid comments like that because even after all this time, you still can't offer up any facts that prove Zimmerman committed a crime.

Well he shot a 17 year old. We know that. We know a fight happened before that and the only eyewitness you believe only saw the middle of it.

I don't know what happened, you don't know what happened, we're both only relying on speculation.

If no one really knows what happens how are they going to convict him? Is speculation really enough for 2nd degree murder?

No, this is going to turn out just like the Casey Anthony case in that regard since unless they find something out, it'll be hard to convict him.

I think manslaughter is pretty appropriate myself if they're not able to proof that he shot Martin in self-defense.

I agree I was expecting a man slaughter case, which from what I've heard about the available evidence seems easier to prove. I think this is going to turn out to be a bigger circus than Casey Anthony if they broadcast the daily proceedings on tv.

And I think they are.

Thank God I don't live in Orlando so I don't have to be subjected to this circus.

SwingingJohnson: His father's GF's house just happens to be right next to the back entrance.

You still haven't made a point regarding how the location of George's truck is evidence he went teen hunting.

"Why did the fight happen so far from the clubhouse?" you asked.
"Because Trayvon ran from it" I said.

Then you herped.

SwingingJohnson: I posted transcripts of a 911 cal and an inter-active map of the timeline of events.

Which prove what? Everything that timeline showed has been known for weeks and even those of us who believe that there's no evidence that Zimmerman committed a crime don't dispute it. What do you it shows that's evidence of a crime?

Jackson Herring: Grables'Daughter: Jackson Herring: Grables'Daughter: Jackson Herring: Grables'Daughter: Or just trolling.

Do you remember the first time you posted in a politics tab thread, and you were like "I'm afraid to be in this tab" and I was like "the politics tab makes the main page look like youtube comments"? I present to you this thread.

Yeah, I know.

I am probably way out of my league here in that I have my thoughts, but not enough facts to support them... and I am in the middle of getting clobbered here.

Maybe I should just stop.

No, what I am saying is that there is no "here". This thread, right here on the main page, is fark.com.

LOL so you're saying I should:

1. Never post on the politics tab again
2. Keep giving my opinion, this thread is the same as any on Fark.com
3. Stop posting my opinion altogether

: )

Hee heee noo. For one thing, this isn't the politics tab. For another thing, the people you think are "clobbering" you are well-known shiatposting troll alt accounts.

Hey!

I resemble that. :P

/Jk

ChuDogg: So we have a law that says you can carry and use firearms for self defense, but when using a firearm for self defense the fact that you were carrying the firearm is evidence it was not self defense? Is that really what you are saying?
DId you get your GED in Law from an unsolicited email?

You're just trying to make this needlessly complicated. She was right. This is a gun rights issue, and that's why all the gun nuts HAVE to defend Zimmerman, no matter what the fark actually happened.

He's a poor hero. An idiot at best, and at worst a murderer. But that's about what I expect from people who single-mindedly worship gun rights.

Mrtraveler01: Weren't there others who conflict with that eyewitness though.

Were they as close as the one, known eyewitness(he lives right where the shooting took place)?

Mrtraveler01: It's still pretty hard to get the conclusion that Martin started the fight just based on the fact that one guy saw Martin on top of Zimmerman during the middle of the fight.


1) Lack of clarity benefits George.
2) Who initiated an altercation has little bearing on SYG.

Mrtraveler01: I don't. I just haven't seen anything to think that Martin started the fight.

Which means what? Since we can't prove that Martin started the fight, you're saying that we have to assume that Zimmerman did? Or do we accept the fact that we don't know who started the fight and look to the things we can prove?

What we can prove is that Martin was assaulting Zimmerman.

Jackson Herring: Grables'Daughter: Jackson Herring: Grables'Daughter: Jackson Herring: Grables'Daughter: Or just trolling.

Do you remember the first time you posted in a politics tab thread, and you were like "I'm afraid to be in this tab" and I was like "the politics tab makes the main page look like youtube comments"? I present to you this thread.

Yeah, I know.

I am probably way out of my league here in that I have my thoughts, but not enough facts to support them... and I am in the middle of getting clobbered here.

Maybe I should just stop.

No, what I am saying is that there is no "here". This thread, right here on the main page, is fark.com.

LOL so you're saying I should:

1. Never post on the politics tab again
2. Keep giving my opinion, this thread is the same as any on Fark.com
3. Stop posting my opinion altogether

: )

Hee heee noo. For one thing, this isn't the politics tab. For another thing, the people you think are "clobbering" you are well-known shiatposting troll alt accounts.

Okay, so you are saying that I am okay giving my opinion, and to not get too upset if people jump on me.

: )

karmaceutical: This is going to be the first Zimmy thread to not make it to 500 posts. I think we're turning the corner on this whole thing. What a relief.

Jackson Herring: Hee heee noo. For one thing, this isn't the politics tab. For another thing, the people you think are "clobbering" you are well-known shiatposting troll alt accounts.

Jackson Herring: I mean the one guy made his account on christmas eve for Christ's sake

That's more like it!

I think the most amusing part of this story is if it were some inner city black kid shooting this Treyvon character over his sneakers or a dirty glance or something, nobody would've ever known about it.

Jackson Herring: I mean the one guy made his account on christmas eve for fark's sake

You forgot the picture.



That's better.

NY DAILY NEWS Lead homicide detective wanted to charge Zimmerman in Trayvon's death that night (new window)

cryinoutloud: This is a gun rights issue...

What? How is this a gun rights issue? At least, how is it any more of an issue than any other random murder involving a gun? IMHO it's more of a police incompetence/negligence issue than anything else. 100% of all of this speculation flows from the lack of a thorough investigation at the start.

Ctrl-Alt-Del: Grables'Daughter: LOL so you're saying I should:

1. Never post on the politics tab again
2. Keep giving my opinion, this thread is the same as any on Fark.com
3. Stop posting my opinion altogether

Nah, you're doing fine

Thank you for that.

cryinoutloud: ChuDogg: So we have a law that says you can carry and use firearms for self defense, but when using a firearm for self defense the fact that you were carrying the firearm is evidence it was not self defense? Is that really what you are saying?
DId you get your GED in Law from an unsolicited email?

You're just trying to make this needlessly complicated. She was right. This is a gun rights issue, and that's why all the gun nuts HAVE to defend Zimmerman, no matter what the fark actually happened.

He's a poor hero. An idiot at best, and at worst a murderer. But that's about what I expect from people who single-mindedly worship gun rights.

I understand you don't believe that people should own and carry firearms, nevermind find a justification to use them but you cannot deny the fact that isn't the law of the land as it currently.

For the record, I don't now or never did own a firearm of any kind. I live in a nice quiet wealthy suburb in ultra liberal connecticut, where it just happens to be legal to own grenade launchers and automatic weapons. It's true, look it up.

It's one thing to not agree with the law. It's one thing to not even know the law. But at least try to make an attempt to make coherent logical sense. I know i know it's fark:

"ZOMG! HIS SELF DEFENSE CLAIM IS FALLING APART!

'How do you know?"

"ZOMG! HE HAD A GUN DUMBIE,TROLOLOL!"

^^^ This is what liberals actually believe.

9beers: SwingingJohnson: I'm just posting here that with all the evidence we all have right now the "Stand Your Ground" defense is not holding up.

Like so many other people, you say that and then offer nothing to back it up. None of the evidence shows that Zimmerman confronted or assaulted Martin. Without that, you have no case.

Not to mention he can't even answer basic questions regarding his claim, but then state over and over again "it's irrefutable!" See: 2012-04-13 12:04:44 PM

I guess as long has you deliberately ignore facts that challenge your opinion one can maintain their worldview. What is that called again? I believe there is a word for that.

s2s2s2: 2) Who initiated an altercation has little bearing on SYG.

So why is he "standing his ground" behind the townhouses instead of by his truck, which is by the clubhouse, which is the address he gave to dispatch and by which hes supposed to be waiting to give a statement to the officers?

Who started the altercation has every bearing on the stand your ground defense. It's the last thin reed Zimmerman has between himself and a murder 2 conviction.

cryinoutloud: You're just trying to make this needlessly complicated. She was right. This is a gun rights issue, and that's why all the gun nuts HAVE to defend Zimmerman, no matter what the fark actually happened.

Yup. There's that and then the racial profiling crowd that needs the Sanford PD to come out of this as unscathed as possible. So far they've been pretty successful at keeping this pointed at Zimmerman and away from the absolutely horrid way the Sanford PD has handled just about every aspect of this.

Mr Rusty Shackleford: I think the most amusing part of this story is if it were some inner city black kid shooting this Treyvon character over his sneakers or a dirty glance or something, nobody would've ever known about it.

Because the thousand or so blacks that have been murdered by another black person since this shooting aren't nearly as important or concerning to attention whores like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. Besides, it's a lot more fun for them to act as if they're being targeted by white folk than it is admitting that they have a problem in their community.

By the way, saying a thousand or so is based on facts.

45 murders per day on average
50% of murder victims are black
93% of those are killed by another black person

More_Like_A_Stain: cryinoutloud: This is a gun rights issue...

What? How is this a gun rights issue? At least, how is it any more of an issue than any other random murder involving a gun? IMHO it's more of a police incompetence/negligence issue than anything else. 100% of all of this speculation flows from the lack of a thorough investigation at the start.

Because CCL is supposedly about responsible people exercising their constitutional rights, not self-appointed heroes getting to go out play Dirty Harry for shiats and giggles and hate crimes.

PoochUMD: Who said anything about race or knowing his place?

If you don't know how you did that, then you need to re-examine your station in life and figure out how you can become a better troll or a better racist. I'm not interested in helping you do either.

Karma Curmudgeon: s2s2s2: 2) Who initiated an altercation has little bearing on SYG.

So why is he "standing his ground" behind the townhouses instead of by his truck, which is by the clubhouse, which is the address he gave to dispatch and by which hes supposed to be waiting to give a statement to the officers?

Who started the altercation has every bearing on the stand your ground defense. It's the last thin reed Zimmerman has between himself and a murder 2 conviction.

cryinoutloud: You're just trying to make this needlessly complicated. She was right. This is a gun rights issue, and that's why all the gun nuts HAVE to defend Zimmerman, no matter what the fark actually happened.

Yup. There's that and then the racial profiling crowd that needs the Sanford PD to come out of this as unscathed as possible. So far they've been pretty successful at keeping this pointed at Zimmerman and away from the absolutely horrid way the Sanford PD has handled just about every aspect of this.

His truck was parked in front of the house, not by the clubhouse.

SwingingJohnson: NY DAILY NEWS Lead homicide detective wanted to charge Zimmerman in Trayvon's death that night (new window)

Seriously dude? That was debunked by the city the night before the national media ran with the bullshiat assumption made by a reporter. I've even posted the press release from the city at least a dozen times since. Posting that shows how little you've been following the case.

Because I'm all about the facts, I'm going to post the press release one more time, just for you.

Link (new window)

9beers: Jackson Herring: I mean the one guy made his account on christmas eve for fark's sake

You forgot the picture.

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That's better.

Are you birthdays as sad as your Christmas was?

Do you have a job of some sort?

Karma Curmudgeon: There's that and then the racial profiling crowd that needs the Sanford PD to come out of this as unscathed as possible. So far they've been pretty successful at keeping this pointed at Zimmerman and away from the absolutely horrid way the Sanford PD has handled just about every aspect of this.

;SwingingJohnson: NY DAILY NEWS Lead homicide detective wanted to charge Zimmerman in Trayvon's death that night (new window)

You guys should have a pow-wow and get your talking points straight.

ChuDogg: 9beers: SwingingJohnson: I'm just posting here that with all the evidence we all have right now the "Stand Your Ground" defense is not holding up.

Like so many other people, you say that and then offer nothing to back it up. None of the evidence shows that Zimmerman confronted or assaulted Martin. Without that, you have no case.

Not to mention he can't even answer basic questions regarding his claim, but then state over and over again "it's irrefutable!" See: 2012-04-13 12:04:44 PM

I guess as long has you deliberately ignore facts that challenge your opinion one can maintain their worldview. What is that called again? I believe there is a word for that.

What claim are you referring to?