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2012-04-12 10:30:22 PM  
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2012-04-12 10:31:07 PM  

MBooda: Women, children, Red Indians, spacemen and a sort of idealized version of complete Renaissance Men first!
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*shakes tiny fist* I came here to post this.
 
Skr
2012-04-12 10:32:40 PM  
Oh and

www.x-entertainment.com

Bears also come first in line for escape pods.
 
2012-04-12 10:33:23 PM  

SomethingToDo: Emergencies are characterised by panic, confusion and stampeding. You don't prepare for an emergency by having polite social compacts. You prepare for them with proper rehearsals; staff who are trained to evacuate passengers; proper signage and directions; safe, clear and intuitive exits; and systems that immediately alert people from outside who can respond appropriately.

Oh, but "captain is last off" is still a bloody good rule.


In military situations, aye, I'd go with that. The captain is responsible for all hands. If they've screwed up and brought you to your doom, it's only fair that they should make the ultimate sacrifice.

On cruise ships, however, you bought your ticket, you knew what you were getting in to.

Costa Concordia's captain was an utter dick for putting himself ahead of others. And he guided the ship to its doom; if he had any shred of humanity he would have chosen to go down with the ship as it was his fault.

In situations when civilian ships sink through no fault of the captain, why should the captain be expected to bear any greater responsibility than any other passenger? The captain's doing a job, for money. Why should the captain be expected to lose their life for things outwith his or her control?
 
2012-04-12 10:36:34 PM  
I would shove a woman outta the way to get my wife and myself, in a lifeboat, every man for themselves. Yeah I would take someones little snowflake with me, it might be a long time till we are found, and we might get hungry.
 
2012-04-12 10:42:02 PM  

spamdog: TomD9938: The Titanic disaster 100 years ago this week was a rare exception because the captain threatened to shoot those who disobeyed...

farking gun nuts.

Yeah only guns create law and order mirite?


Evidently.
 
2012-04-12 10:43:25 PM  
Japanese submarine slammed two torpedoes into our side, chief. It was comin' back, from the island of Tinian to Laytee, just delivered the bomb. The Hiroshima bomb. Eleven hundred women and children went into the water. Vessel went down in twelve minutes. Didn't see the first shark for about a half an hour. Tiger. Thirteen footer. You know how you know that when you're in the water, chief? You tell by lookin' from the dorsal to the tail. What we didn't know... was our bomb mission had been so secret, no distress signal had been sent. Huh huh. They didn't even list us overdue for a week. Very first light, chief. The sharks come cruisin'. So we formed ourselves into tight groups. You know it's... kinda like ol' squares in battle like a, you see on a calendar, like the battle of Waterloo. And the idea was, the shark comes to the nearest woman or kid and they'd start poundin' and hollerin' and screamin' and sometimes the shark would go away. Sometimes he wouldn't go away. Sometimes that shark, he looks right into you. Right into your eyes. You know the thing about a shark, he's got...lifeless eyes, black eyes, like a doll's eye. When he comes at ya, doesn't seem to be livin'. Until he bites ya and those black eyes roll over white. And then, ah then you hear that terrible high pitch screamin' and the ocean turns red and spite of all the poundin' and the hollerin' they all come in and rip you to pieces.


Y'know by the end of that first dawn, lost a hundred women and children. I don't know how many sharks, maybe a thousand! I don't know how many women and children, they averaged six an hour. On Thursday mornin' chief, I bumped into a friend of mine, Herbie Robinson from Cleveland. 6 year old, champion marble player. I thought he was asleep, reached over to wake him up. Bobbed up and down in the water, just like a kinda top. Up ended. Well... he'd been bitten in half below the waist. Noon the fifth day, Mr. Hooper, a Lockheed Ventura saw us, he swung in low and he saw us. He's a young pilot, a lot younger than Mr. Hooper, anyway he saw us and come in low. And three hours later a big fat PBY comes down and start to pick us up. You know that was the time I was most frightened? Waitin' for my turn. I'll never put on a lifejacket again. So, eleven hundred women and children went in the water, three hundred and sixteen women and children come out, the sharks took the rest, June the 29, 1945.
 
2012-04-12 10:47:18 PM  
Fark the children.

Oh, do you think we have time?
 
2012-04-12 10:48:04 PM  
BurnShrike
I can understand prioritizing children, because they're young and haven't experienced the world. Ideally you want them to pull through to live another day.

But women? Why would they be any different to men?


Survival of the tribe (or species).
If your tribe has to replace the casualties of the disaster by popping out babies, that'll work a lot better with 1 man and 100 women than with 100 men and 1 woman.

i.imgur.com
"Hmm. 198 billion babies in a few weeks. We'll need an army of super-virile men scoring round the clock! I'll do my part. Kif, clear my schedule!"
 
2012-04-12 10:50:36 PM  
www.moviesoddity.com

Where do we stand on the tranny issue? I mean, just because a guy takes hormones doesn't mean he's entitled to the front of the line. I'm gonna say at least "bottom surgery" is required here for that privilege.

www.rhythmism.com

And come on. Should we add "fabulous" gay men to the front of the list too? It's only fair. We all know this type of guy is far too precious to survive on his own.
 
2012-04-12 10:56:13 PM  
WAAAAAH! I submitted this article first and with a much funnier headline.
 
2012-04-12 11:00:40 PM  
Did anybody read the article? It gives three examples, plus the Titanic.

1. All women survived
2. All women and children died, but they give no numbers plus it was a chaotic situation.
3. No data given on how many or percentages of women and children survived.

So three of the four examples given don't support the hypothesis and the one that does has extenuating circumstances.
 
2012-04-12 11:01:59 PM  

Precocious Periwinkle Pastrygirl: BurnShrike: AverageAmericanGuy: Women are useless in a catastrophe. Can't forage. Can't hike. Can't make camp. Can't row a boat. Can't navigate worth a damn. Can't hunt. Can't shut the fark up for one minute and let the men think.

They just attract sharks.


Yeah but then you end up on an island with only sheep/goats to fark for 7 years. I bet you wish you had a woman then!

/am a woman
//don't need a sheep


i.imgur.com

/ damned right, ain't no sheep no goat, baby. you know what I'm sayin'
 
2012-04-12 11:03:59 PM  

The Voice of Doom: BurnShrike
I can understand prioritizing children, because they're young and haven't experienced the world. Ideally you want them to pull through to live another day.

But women? Why would they be any different to men?

Survival of the tribe (or species).
If your tribe has to replace the casualties of the disaster by popping out babies, that'll work a lot better with 1 man and 100 women than with 100 men and 1 woman.

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"Hmm. 198 billion babies in a few weeks. We'll need an army of super-virile men scoring round the clock! I'll do my part. Kif, clear my schedule!"


I can't believe it took until page two for this.
 
2012-04-12 11:10:30 PM  
images.nationaltimes.com.au
It's more of a guideline...
 
2012-04-12 11:10:50 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Women are useless in a catastrophe. Can't forage. Can't hike. Can't make camp. Can't row a boat. Can't navigate worth a damn. Can't hunt. Can't shut the fark up for one minute and let the men think.

They just attract sharks.


They're made of meat and can't fight back very well.
 
2012-04-12 11:19:11 PM  

mjbok: Did anybody read the article? It gives three examples, plus the Titanic.

1. All women survived
2. All women and children died, but they give no numbers plus it was a chaotic situation.
3. No data given on how many or percentages of women and children survived.

So three of the four examples given don't support the hypothesis and the one that does has extenuating circumstances.


What are you? Some sorta freakin monument to logic?!

cinemafanatic.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-04-12 11:44:44 PM  
The beave is no good to ya if you're dead.
 
2012-04-12 11:45:36 PM  

Gumaraid: The beave is no good to ya if you're dead.


But it's perfectly fine if they're dead.
 
2012-04-12 11:52:05 PM  
Research suggests that in a crisis women are only first into lifeboats when the rule is backed up with force

You can go a little broader than gender on this. If rules aren't backed up by force, all you have left is the honour system. The honour system doesn't even work for dishwashing - why would anyone think it's going to work in a life and death situation?
 
2012-04-12 11:52:52 PM  
I would say Americans are more the "women and children first" types. Other countries, not so much (as witnessed by the recent cruise ship behavior).
 
2012-04-12 11:58:01 PM  
www.hotflick.net

See this guy had the right idea. First you pick up some random kid and pretend it's your daughter and you're all she has in the world so you can get in line for the lifeboat. Then you ditch her before you get on the lifeboat so you don't even have to take care of her.
 
2012-04-13 12:05:20 AM  
Not dismayed by this finding.
i.dailymail.co.uk
 
2012-04-13 12:16:09 AM  

Loucifer: What are you? Some sorta freakin monument to logic?!


I know it's crazy for examples to be expected to actually support a hypothesis. The following paragraph could have been added and it wouldn't hurt the story at all:

"Our findings also extend to space travel. In both the Challenger and Columbia disasters none of the women on board survived."
 
2012-04-13 12:18:18 AM  
I am amazed that the article didn't mention La Bourgogne (new window) All of the children and, I believe, the vast majority of the women on that ship died. The crew was reported to have gone so far as to stab passengers to save themselves.

Here is a NYT article about it (new window).

My greatx3 grandmother died in this wreck along with a daughter and granddaughter of hers (not my greatx2 grandmother and great-grandmother but and aunt and cousin or I wouldn't be here typing). The greatx3 had actually been on the La Bourgogne 5 years before the fatal voyage. Bringing her husband's body back from France (he died on vacation). It creeped me out when I found that out.

They were going to visit family in France and Switzerland and pick up my great-grandmother who was staying with her other, Swiss grandmother. After the wreck, my greatx2s were afraid to get on a ship or have my great-grandmother put on a ship for years so she ended up being mostly raised in Switzerland.

Oh, the tomb has weeping angels on a sinking ship...

image2.findagrave.com

/Yeah, yeah. Cool Story Sis, I know.
 
2012-04-13 12:21:54 AM  
Ya'll are funny, thinking women can't make camp or hike.

I'll eat you first.

Also, no bears will be attracted to me, as I had that problem removed :D
 
2012-04-13 12:27:56 AM  

ashinmytomatoes: All of the children and, I believe, the vast majority of the women on that ship died. The crew was reported to have gone so far as to stab passengers to save themselves.


But wait..I thought modern society had lost it's morality..like they had back in this day.
 
2012-04-13 12:42:01 AM  

Loucifer: mjbok: Did anybody read the article? It gives three examples, plus the Titanic.

1. All women survived
2. All women and children died, but they give no numbers plus it was a chaotic situation.
3. No data given on how many or percentages of women and children survived.

So three of the four examples given don't support the hypothesis and the one that does has extenuating circumstances.

What are you? Some sorta freakin monument to logic?!

[cinemafanatic.files.wordpress.com image 400x212]

~
i39.tinypic.com

Did you 'shop some titties onto Nicholas Cage?
 
2012-04-13 12:52:59 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Women are useless in a catastrophe. Can't forage. Can't hike. Can't make camp. Can't row a boat. Can't navigate worth a damn. Can't hunt. Can't shut the fark up for one minute and let the men think.

They just attract sharks.


Do you actually know any women, or does your only knowledge of women come from books written in the 19th century?
 
2012-04-13 12:58:05 AM  

Need_MindBleach: AverageAmericanGuy: Women are useless in a catastrophe. Can't forage. Can't hike. Can't make camp. Can't row a boat. Can't navigate worth a damn. Can't hunt. Can't shut the fark up for one minute and let the men think.

They just attract sharks.

Do you actually know any women, or does your only knowledge of women come from books written in the 19th century?


And the internet.
 
2012-04-13 01:58:16 AM  
Easy solution:
I sit down first in the lifeboat & a woman could sit on my lap (as long as she didn't have sharp knees of course)
 
2012-04-13 02:27:26 AM  

hung_waelo: Easy solution:
I sit down first in the lifeboat & a woman could sit on my lap (as long as she didn't have sharp knees of course)


of course if she is from America you run a 50/50 chance of it being a baluga.
 
2012-04-13 02:38:49 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Need_MindBleach: AverageAmericanGuy: Women are useless in a catastrophe. Can't forage. Can't hike. Can't make camp. Can't row a boat. Can't navigate worth a damn. Can't hunt. Can't shut the fark up for one minute and let the men think.

They just attract sharks.

Do you actually know any women, or does your only knowledge of women come from books written in the 19th century?

And the internet.


It shows.
 
2012-04-13 03:06:28 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Women are useless in a catastrophe. Can't forage. Can't hike. Can't make camp. Can't row a boat. Can't navigate worth a damn. Can't hunt. Can't shut the fark up for one minute and let the men think.

They just attract sharks.


The only good thing they do, that really is worth saving them for, is to bear children. Now if men can do that then go ahead and let them all die...no problems!
 
2012-04-13 03:10:57 AM  
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what a hottie! Pork that AverageAmericanGuy

hehehehe
 
2012-04-13 04:42:06 AM  
"All societies are based on rules to protect pregnant women and young children. All else is surplusage, excrescence, adornment, luxury, or folly, which can - and must - be dumped in emergency to preserve this prime function. As racial survival is the only universal morality, no other basic is possible. Attempts to formulate a "perfect society" on any foundation other than "Women and children first!" is not only witless, it is automatically genocidal. Nevertheless, starry-eyed idealists (all of them male) have tried endlessly - and no doubt will keep on trying."--RAH
 
2012-04-13 05:00:14 AM  

BurnShrike: I can understand prioritizing children, because they're young and haven't experienced the world. Ideally you want them to pull through to live another day.

But women? Why would they be any different to men?

Granted, if my woman was on board, I would give her everything I could to make sure she survived. But just some random lady? No way.


QFT
 
2012-04-13 06:16:49 AM  

Nmissi: "All societies are based on rules to protect pregnant women and young children. All else is surplusage, excrescence, adornment, luxury, or folly, which can - and must - be dumped in emergency to preserve this prime function. As racial survival is the only universal morality, no other basic is possible. Attempts to formulate a "perfect society" on any foundation other than "Women and children first!" is not only witless, it is automatically genocidal. Nevertheless, starry-eyed idealists (all of them male) have tried endlessly - and no doubt will keep on trying."--RAH


Because the entire 7 billion strong human race will go extinct if the women and children on one boat in the middle of the ocean don't survive. it won't even make a dent in the population of a small city. The "women and children first" rule is more a chivalry rule than a guideline for long term survival. If it was meant for long time survival it would be "Young, healthy and fertile women and young, healthy and fertile men in a 2:1 or 3:1 ration first. Unless you filled out form 3B in triplicate in which you state that you posses skills vital to survival." Children can be replaced and will be a drain on resources during the first few weeks before everything settles into a routine, and therefore they will be left behind. The young ones will have a longer reproductive span and will heal better from various ailments. They can also be expected to provide for more generations, increasing the survival rate of their grandchildren. So unless you are young (late teens, early 20s) or have some expert wilderness survival knowledge you should accept that you wanting to survive is not in the best interest of the species.
 
2012-04-13 07:25:22 AM  
FTA The Titanic disaster 100 years ago this week was a rare exception because the captain threatened to shoot those who disobeyed...

[citation needed]
 
2012-04-13 08:21:08 AM  

Precocious Periwinkle Pastrygirl: Yeah but then you end up on an island with only sheep/goats to fark for 7 years. I bet you wish you had a woman then!


Fine, you win. We'll let ONE woman into the lifeboat. I bet you wish you were that woman then!

/or maybe you don't, with twenty of us . . .
 
2012-04-13 08:51:38 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Women are useless in a catastrophe. Can't forage. Can't hike. Can't make camp. Can't row a boat. Can't navigate worth a damn. Can't hunt. Can't shut the fark up for one minute and let the men think.

They just attract sharks.


You owe me a new keyboard monitor DESK
 
2012-04-13 10:46:00 AM  

TomD9938: The Titanic disaster 100 years ago this week was a rare exception because the captain threatened to shoot those who disobeyed...

farking gun nuts.


Yeah, not so much. Article writer forgets that the biggest factor in why the Titanic lifeboat situation went down as it did was not an order that no one is even certain was ever enforced but in passenger ignorance.

at the start most believed that the ship sinking was ludicrous so the idea of freezing out on a lifeboat "just in case" the ship was in trouble was crazy, and no one but the ships designer and some of the crew knew that there were too few lifeboats. Which is why a crewman took comand of each boat and the designer went ahead and slipped onto a boat.
 
2012-04-13 11:43:04 AM  

Digitalstrange: TomD9938: The Titanic disaster 100 years ago this week was a rare exception because the captain threatened to shoot those who disobeyed...

farking gun nuts.

Yeah, not so much. Article writer forgets that the biggest factor in why the Titanic lifeboat situation went down as it did was not an order that no one is even certain was ever enforced but in passenger ignorance.

at the start most believed that the ship sinking was ludicrous so the idea of freezing out on a lifeboat "just in case" the ship was in trouble was crazy, and no one but the ships designer and some of the crew knew that there were too few lifeboats. Which is why a crewman took comand of each boat and the designer went ahead and slipped onto a boat.


The designer died on the boat. The chairman of the company that owned titanic got on one of the boats.
 
2012-04-13 11:52:44 AM  

Nmissi: "All societies are based on rules to protect pregnant women and young children. All else is surplusage, excrescence, adornment, luxury, or folly, which can - and must - be dumped in emergency to preserve this prime function. As racial survival is the only universal morality, no other basic is possible. Attempts to formulate a "perfect society" on any foundation other than "Women and children first!" is not only witless, it is automatically genocidal. Nevertheless, starry-eyed idealists (all of them male) have tried endlessly - and no doubt will keep on trying."--RAH


Go ahead, guess how many young people survived the concentration camps
 
2012-04-13 12:20:38 PM  
If we're speaking strictly of racial survival, it should be rephrased:

1) Women who put out and healthy children first
2) Men second.
3) Cold or too old to bear children women third.
4) Crippled and infirmed last.
 
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