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(Talking Points Memo)   Ann Romney tells Fox News that she "knows what it's like to struggle", adding "sometimes I can't decide which Cadillac to take to the gourmet grocer, or which fois gras to buy -- it's sheer agony"   (livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 540
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2012-04-12 01:15:17 PM  
I was repulsed by Rosen's comments when I heard them but I have to wonder what kind of traction it'll get. This Republican ideal means a woman has to marry a successful man to replicate Ann Romney's life. With high divorce rates and the average age of marriage increasing, their ideal gets rarer by the day.

Fun dispatch from the front lines of the War on Women: Birth control is responsible for 1/3 of women's wage increases since the 1960s.
 
2012-04-12 01:26:27 PM  
She knows what it's like to struggle much in the same way that your average American understands an emaciated African child, inasmuch as the American has occasionally felt hungry.
 
2012-04-12 01:32:14 PM  
I'll give here the benefit of the doubt and assume the struggling she was talking about was her health issues. Not exactly sure how that would translate to empathy for people struggling financially though.
 
2012-04-12 01:32:42 PM  
Do you know how hard it is to get good servants these days?
 
2012-04-12 01:32:43 PM  
Am I missing a lot of context or paragraphs in there? "I know what it's like to struggle, and by that I mean I have compassion for people struggling."
 
2012-04-12 01:38:51 PM  
She once saw some common people on television

/they appeared to be struggling
 
2012-04-12 01:40:01 PM  

Dinki: I'll give here the benefit of the doubt and assume the struggling she was talking about was her health issues. Not exactly sure how that would translate to empathy for people struggling financially though.


This was my take too.

Are we really gonna have two greens attacking Ann Romney today?
 
2012-04-12 01:40:23 PM  

Lumpmoose: I was repulsed by Rosen's comments when I heard them but I have to wonder what kind of traction it'll get. This Republican ideal means a woman has to marry a successful man to replicate Ann Romney's life. With high divorce rates and the average age of marriage increasing, their ideal gets rarer by the day.

Fun dispatch from the front lines of the War on Women: Birth control is responsible for 1/3 of women's wage increases since the 1960s.


Someone forgot to remind Rosen that a true feminist position is that women should not be denigrated, vilified, or discriminated against REGARDLESS of whether they are in the workplace or at home, or some combination. Considering child-rearing to be a "second-class" occupation is as evil as gender-based wage discrimination.

As an aside, you want to REALLY see people hate on you for raising your kids? Try being a guy and doing it while your wife works. I worked part time for years when both of the kiddos were young and I came close to homicide on a weekly basis when people at the store would make comments on the order of "Oh...your week, huh?" As though the only way I would deign to lower myself to childcare was due to a custody agreement. Makes a guy realize exactly how inferior the society considers women to be as a matter of normal course. The "help", basically.

I don't dislike Ann Romney for raising her family. Not one bit. However, I think it's patronizing for a multi-millionaire to make comments suggesting that she has the remotest idea how "the other half lives".
 
2012-04-12 01:44:45 PM  

dahmers love zombie: Lumpmoose: I was repulsed by Rosen's comments when I heard them but I have to wonder what kind of traction it'll get. This Republican ideal means a woman has to marry a successful man to replicate Ann Romney's life. With high divorce rates and the average age of marriage increasing, their ideal gets rarer by the day.

Fun dispatch from the front lines of the War on Women: Birth control is responsible for 1/3 of women's wage increases since the 1960s.

Someone forgot to remind Rosen that a true feminist position is that women should not be denigrated, vilified, or discriminated against REGARDLESS of whether they are in the workplace or at home, or some combination. Considering child-rearing to be a "second-class" occupation is as evil as gender-based wage discrimination.

As an aside, you want to REALLY see people hate on you for raising your kids? Try being a guy and doing it while your wife works. I worked part time for years when both of the kiddos were young and I came close to homicide on a weekly basis when people at the store would make comments on the order of "Oh...your week, huh?" As though the only way I would deign to lower myself to childcare was due to a custody agreement. Makes a guy realize exactly how inferior the society considers women to be as a matter of normal course. The "help", basically.

I don't dislike Ann Romney for raising her family. Not one bit. However, I think it's patronizing for a multi-millionaire to make comments suggesting that she has the remotest idea how "the other half lives".


I don't disagree with any of that. I'm just curious what the true average women of America think. There's a whole farkton of men weighing in and deciding what's controversial.
 
2012-04-12 01:50:26 PM  

dahmers love zombie: I don't dislike Ann Romney for raising her family. Not one bit. However, I think it's patronizing for a multi-millionaire to make comments suggesting that she has the remotest idea how "the other half lives".


Precisely this. For her to have traveled in the social circles required to have even met Mitt implies that she has struggled for nothing more significant in her life than a choice among dresses for her debutante ball.

I'm sure she's a fine mother, and I believe that she does have sympathy for those who are struggling. That in no way means she has the faintest clue as to what struggling people are actually going through.
 
2012-04-12 01:50:27 PM  
mahuika: Are we really gonna have two greens attacking Ann Romney today?

They'll just have to cut out one of the Sarah Palin attack threads to make up the difference.
 
2012-04-12 01:50:28 PM  
Ann Romney is on the ballot now?

Keep attacking Mitt Romney's family members, democrats. Voters will appreciate these classy attacks against someone who isn't even running for office.

And they say Republicans are the anti-women party.
 
2012-04-12 01:50:40 PM  
You know a narrative has stuck when you have to go check the article to make sure that she didn't actually say that.
 
2012-04-12 01:51:34 PM  

BillCo: mahuika: Are we really gonna have two greens attacking Ann Romney today?

They'll just have to cut out one of the Sarah Palin attack threads to make up the difference.


Did you forget your Metamucil this morning? That's pretty weak.
 
2012-04-12 01:52:56 PM  

dahmers love zombie: I don't dislike Ann Romney for raising her family. Not one bit. However, I think it's patronizing for a multi-millionaire to make comments suggesting that she has the remotest idea how "the other half lives".


That's a good point. I wouldn't be poised to defend Ann Romney if it weren't for the earlier thread; it's totally legitimate to say she shouldn't compare any of her struggles with the struggles that other people go through with financially. I personally think she was reacting to the idea that her having never had a job makes her unrelatable, but she didn't word it well and I could be wrong.
 
2012-04-12 01:53:02 PM  

SlothB77: Ann Romney is on the ballot now?

Keep attacking Mitt Romney's family members, democrats. Voters will appreciate these classy attacks against someone who isn't even running for office.

And they say Republicans are the anti-women party.


You sure told that one Democrat who could be construed as actually attacking Ann Romney. Maybe she'll take note of your scathing criticism after she pulls herself out of the avalanche of Democrat-based condemnations she received as a result of it.
 
2012-04-12 01:53:46 PM  

Lumpmoose: I don't disagree with any of that. I'm just curious what the true average women of America think. There's a whole farkton of men weighing in and deciding what's controversial.


My mom worked, and as a single mom until she remarried when I was 7. Back when Clinton was running she was pretty offended by Hillary's "stay home and bake cookies" comment. I spoke to her today and she said she understood and agreed with Rosen. It wasn't intended to slam Ann Romney so much as to say it may be hard for a non-working mom to relate to those challenges. She didn't say Ann was bad, or lazy, or unmotivated.

Unfortunately we're talking about another farking twitter war. The brevity of tweets don't do these topics justice.

I really hope Ann doesn't start making the same mistakes her husband is on the campaign trail. Be yourself and don't apologize for yourself. Mitt's problem is he can't leave it at that, and like the guy who tries way too hard to be your friend, comes off as phony and desperate.
 
2012-04-12 01:55:35 PM  

mahuika: Are we really gonna have two greens attacking Ann Romney today?


Keep them coming. The more, the better. Nothing endears you to voters like attacking a presidential candidate's wife.
 
2012-04-12 01:55:46 PM  

BillCo: mahuika: Are we really gonna have two greens attacking Ann Romney today?

They'll just have to cut out one of the Sarah Palin attack threads to make up the difference.


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2012-04-12 01:57:20 PM  
Republicans have become such a parody of themselves I actually had to RTFA to make sure she didn't actually say it.
 
2012-04-12 01:57:29 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: She once saw some common people on television

/they appeared to be struggling


She saw half an episode of "Good Times". She's legit.
 
2012-04-12 01:58:23 PM  
I don't believe her.
 
2012-04-12 01:58:38 PM  
She's as tone deaf as her husband.
 
2012-04-12 01:58:48 PM  
What a minute...which side is waging a war against women today?
 
2012-04-12 01:59:52 PM  
yes, yes, life is very hard for you as a beard for a robot.
 
2012-04-12 02:00:21 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Do you know how hard it is to get good servants these days?


yeah I seriously doubt she cooks, cleans and takes care of the kids day in and day out. or even do her own grocery shopping. and while I'm sure having those debilitating diseases there are plenty of women who are single mothers ,working,doing all the household chores and worrying about how to make ends meet. So while Rosen might have been a little sharp with her words the facts are there. Ann Romney doesn't know what it's like to scrub toilets all day with a bad back and knees then come home to cook,help with homework and do the laundry and dishes every night.
 
2012-04-12 02:00:58 PM  

SlothB77: Ann Romney is on the ballot now?

Keep attacking Mitt Romney's family members, democrats. Voters will appreciate these classy attacks against someone who isn't even running for office.

And they say Republicans are the anti-women party.



So telling someone who got in front of the cameras, went on national TV, and said she understands the blight of working moms in American that she doesn't because she as never held a job outside of the house is an attack?

So she should be allowed to whatever she wants and no one can refute it?
 
2012-04-12 02:01:06 PM  

BKITU: She knows what it's like to struggle much in the same way that your average American understands an emaciated African child, inasmuch as the American has occasionally felt hungry.


Yes, because battling cancer and MS is FUN and easy when you are rich!
 
2012-04-12 02:01:19 PM  
what the fark is a fois gras?
 
2012-04-12 02:01:36 PM  
Dear Ann Romney

You will never understand what it means to live your life with no meaning or control and with nowhere left to go. You're amazed that we exist and we burn so bright and you can only wonder "why?".

Best regards,

The Common People
 
2012-04-12 02:01:42 PM  

BillCo: mahuika: Are we really gonna have two greens attacking Ann Romney today?

They'll just have to cut out one of the Sarah Palin attack threads to make up the difference.


Sarah Palin threads are so 2011.
 
2012-04-12 02:01:47 PM  
She may have been referring to the five times she had sex.
 
2012-04-12 02:01:48 PM  

SlothB77: Ann Romney is on the ballot now?

Keep attacking Mitt Romney's family members, democrats. Voters will appreciate these classy attacks against someone who isn't even running for office.

And they say Republicans are the anti-women party.

SlothB77:
I think here Limbaugh refers to Michelle Obama much the same way he refers to John Kerry. Elitist, uppity, whatever the term. John Kerry would be booed at a NASCAR event. I remember during his campaign he stopped at, I think a Wendy's and pointed at a bowl of chili and asked "what is that?" He had obviously never seen chili before. That is what is meant by uppity. Someone who doesn't know what chili is cannot relate to NASCAR fans. Michelle Obama is similar in that she has her organic garden at the White House and is trying to dictate how people should eat all the while she doesn't appear to be skipping any calories.

 
2012-04-12 02:02:21 PM  

Bunnyhat: she understands the blight of working moms


Well that's an interesting mistake!

A scourge on society I tells ya! ;-)
 
2012-04-12 02:02:21 PM  
Ann does not understand your struggles. Ann struggles, but she struggles against things she can ultimately overcome. She struggles to get the kids to school on time, or struggles to get the groceries into the trunk of the car. She can win those fights.
You peasants struggle over your lot in life. Even if you are lucky enough to win a battle, and most of you aren't, you cannot win the war. Ann's struggles are tests, and build strength. Your struggles are futile, and only cause you pain.
 
2012-04-12 02:02:48 PM  

Bunnyhat: SlothB77: Ann Romney is on the ballot now?

Keep attacking Mitt Romney's family members, democrats. Voters will appreciate these classy attacks against someone who isn't even running for office.

And they say Republicans are the anti-women party.


So telling someone who got in front of the cameras, went on national TV, and said she understands the blight of working moms in American that she doesn't because she as never held a job outside of the house is an attack?

So she should be allowed to whatever she wants and no one can refute it?


She said Ann had never worked a day in her life. Which was just moronic. You put the stay at home mom stuff a side even, the woman has helped run a number of charities for years. To quote wiki:

She has been involved in a number of children's charities, including being director of the inner city-oriented Best Friends.[17] She worked extensively with the Ten Point Coalition in Boston and with other groups that promoted better safety and opportunities for urban youths.[31] She was given the 2006 Lifetime Achievement Award from Salt Lake City-based Operation Kids.[32] She has also served as a board member for the United Way of America[17] and helped found United Way Faith and Action.[31]

That's not work?
 
2012-04-12 02:03:36 PM  

Diogenes: It wasn't intended to slam Ann Romney so much as to say it may be hard for a non-working mom to relate to those challenges. She didn't say Ann was bad, or lazy, or unmotivated.


I'm pretty sure this is just proof that Ann is one of the only people who actually took the tweet as it was intended, and her response here is that she is relatable because she has overcome other challenges she's met as an adult.
 
2012-04-12 02:03:37 PM  

SlothB77: Ann Romney is on the ballot now?

Keep attacking Mitt Romney's family members, democrats. Voters will appreciate these classy attacks against someone who isn't even running for office.

And they say Republicans are the anti-women party.


As soon as the Freepers stop making vile comments about Obama's wife and children, you got a deal.
 
2012-04-12 02:04:22 PM  

EWreckedSean: BKITU: She knows what it's like to struggle much in the same way that your average American understands an emaciated African child, inasmuch as the American has occasionally felt hungry.

Yes, because battling cancer and MS is FUN and easy when you are rich!


Easier than when you have no money and no health insurance.
 
2012-04-12 02:04:22 PM  

rumpelstiltskin: Ann does not understand your struggles. Ann struggles, but she struggles against things she can ultimately overcome. She struggles to get the kids to school on time, or struggles to get the groceries into the trunk of the car. She can win those fights.
You peasants struggle over your lot in life. Even if you are lucky enough to win a battle, and most of you aren't, you cannot win the war. Ann's struggles are tests, and build strength. Your struggles are futile, and only cause you pain.


Yes, things she can overcome, like Multiple sclerosis...
 
2012-04-12 02:04:44 PM  

EWreckedSean: BKITU: She knows what it's like to struggle much in the same way that your average American understands an emaciated African child, inasmuch as the American has occasionally felt hungry.

Yes, because battling cancer and MS is FUN and easy when you are rich!


it's a lot easier than when you're poor. some people have to endure it without proper care and meds and work a job on top of it just to eat. so stfu troll
 
2012-04-12 02:05:12 PM  

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: EWreckedSean: BKITU: She knows what it's like to struggle much in the same way that your average American understands an emaciated African child, inasmuch as the American has occasionally felt hungry.

Yes, because battling cancer and MS is FUN and easy when you are rich!

Easier than when you have no money and no health insurance.


Yes, and harder then most women who don't have either disease, let alone both.
 
2012-04-12 02:05:21 PM  

BKITU: She knows what it's like to struggle much in the same way that your average American understands an emaciated African child, inasmuch as the American has occasionally felt hungry.


Sergio: "If he asks me if I like African Child I'll say yes, I live, eat, and breathe African Child, I play it in my sleep. But No, I don't farking love African Child. But don't ever ask me that farkin question again, its offensive."


/Did you just call me a housae n*gger?
 
2012-04-12 02:05:30 PM  

BKITU: dahmers love zombie: I don't dislike Ann Romney for raising her family. Not one bit. However, I think it's patronizing for a multi-millionaire to make comments suggesting that she has the remotest idea how "the other half lives".

Precisely this. For her to have traveled in the social circles required to have even met Mitt implies that she has struggled for nothing more significant in her life than a choice among dresses for her debutante ball.

I'm sure she's a fine mother, and I believe that she does have sympathy for those who are struggling. That in no way means she has the faintest clue as to what struggling people are actually going through.


I know what you mean. I had a mean case of Multiple Sclerosis last week and it really knocked me on my rear.
 
2012-04-12 02:05:37 PM  

skullkrusher: what the fark is a fois gras?


A fat fois. I think that's French for "fat fan boy".
 
2012-04-12 02:05:38 PM  

tallguywithglasseson: SlothB77: Ann Romney is on the ballot now?

Keep attacking Mitt Romney's family members, democrats. Voters will appreciate these classy attacks against someone who isn't even running for office.

And they say Republicans are the anti-women party.SlothB77:
I think here Limbaugh refers to Michelle Obama much the same way he refers to John Kerry. Elitist, uppity, whatever the term. John Kerry would be booed at a NASCAR event. I remember during his campaign he stopped at, I think a Wendy's and pointed at a bowl of chili and asked "what is that?" He had obviously never seen chili before. That is what is meant by uppity. Someone who doesn't know what chili is cannot relate to NASCAR fans. Michelle Obama is similar in that she has her organic garden at the White House and is trying to dictate how people should eat all the while she doesn't appear to be skipping any calories.


*golf clap*

Now where did I put that petard?
 
2012-04-12 02:05:41 PM  
Really, Ann? You know what it's like to lose your job? To wonder how you're going to pay half of your bills, not even all of them? To have your small home that you've worked all your life to own foreclosed on you? To wonder how you're going to put food in your children's mouths? And Mittens does too?

Somehow I really don't think so.
 
2012-04-12 02:06:14 PM  

Hobodeluxe: EWreckedSean: BKITU: She knows what it's like to struggle much in the same way that your average American understands an emaciated African child, inasmuch as the American has occasionally felt hungry.

Yes, because battling cancer and MS is FUN and easy when you are rich!

it's a lot easier than when you're poor. some people have to endure it without proper care and meds and work a job on top of it just to eat. so stfu troll


I forgot, she's got money, so it's no struggle at all to have MS and cancer. Moron.
 
2012-04-12 02:06:42 PM  
Being a stay at home mom is a perfectly noble choice and Rosen's statement had nothing to do with the value of being a stay at home mom. Her point was that Ann Romney's experience does not give her special insight into the experience of the average mother is the US. She knows nothing of being a single mother, nothing of juggling a budget to keep food on the table, and nothing about worrying about paying for health insurance or college. She is not an economist or social psychologist who has academic knowledge of these matters, she is simply a very wealthy housewife who had the luxury of staying at home to raise her children.
 
2012-04-12 02:07:12 PM  
If it makes you feel any better, I promise not to vote for Hillary Rosen. OK?
 
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