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2012-04-12 05:14:31 PM

FarkLiberty: Julie Cochrane: Take the decision to be a stay-home mom. It's great if the marriage works out. But you really have to trust your husband and your relationship, because if it turns out you were wrong about either---you're completely and utterly farked.

They outlawed alimony and child support now?


I recently heard that alimony is out in Mass. unless you're grandfathered in but have nothing to back that up.
 
2012-04-12 05:14:57 PM
I liked this article much better when it was a movie called Chloe and starred Amanda Seyfried and Julianne Moore and they got nekkid and frisky with each other in some lezbionic action.

i.huffpost.com
 
2012-04-12 05:19:04 PM

ph0rk: FarkLiberty: Julie Cochrane: Take the decision to be a stay-home mom. It's great if the marriage works out. But you really have to trust your husband and your relationship, because if it turns out you were wrong about either---you're completely and utterly farked.

They outlawed alimony and child support now?

I can imagine that in some (most?) cases the amount of income from that pales before the amount if she had remained in the workforce.


I'm not saying that they're going to be living high on the hog. And of course there's always the chance the father won't pay.

I'm simply pointing out that they're far from completely and utterly farked.
 
2012-04-12 05:19:53 PM
I don't get the problem with this. She hired someone to find out if he would cheat on her, he would, she is no longer dating him. Her plan was a complete success.
 
2012-04-12 05:28:27 PM

ForMadmenOnly: I recently heard that alimony is out in Mass. unless you're grandfathered in but have nothing to back that up.


Reform (new window), not out entirely.
 
2012-04-12 05:30:11 PM

ihatedumbpeople:
based on looks alone, I can see why he bolted. Add in some paranoia and (up until then) false accusations, and people in dating relationships are gonna split quick.

/the girl looks much cuter in the first pic though, looks like she put on a few.


did you miss the part where he admitted that he had been seeing someone else while they were dating?
 
2012-04-12 05:44:20 PM

LoneWolf343: No, the girlfriend was horrible, so the boyfriend dumped her for the nearest available woman.

FTA: '"The idea was to test men out, not steal them. I wouldn't say I stole Jack. Their relationship was doomed the moment she booked me because once the trust goes in a relationship that's it."'

Gospel truth.


So women have no choice but to blindly wander into every relationship with rainbows and butterflies in their eyes, going full flow into relationships and not allowed to even mention a whisper of the possibility of cheating without a man flipping out and going to go cheat?

/Maybe if guys didn't always cheat, women wouldn't get so worried about it.
/An ex is never just a friend
/Is there a dating site for people who have honor and fidelity yet?
 
2012-04-12 05:45:58 PM

Aloy: /Is there a dating site for people who have honor and fidelity yet?


It is called your local church.
 
2012-04-12 05:46:43 PM

ph0rk: Aloy: /Is there a dating site for people who have honor and fidelity yet?

It is called your local church.


+1

I lol'd
 
2012-04-12 05:53:21 PM

Aloy: LoneWolf343: No, the girlfriend was horrible, so the boyfriend dumped her for the nearest available woman.

FTA: '"The idea was to test men out, not steal them. I wouldn't say I stole Jack. Their relationship was doomed the moment she booked me because once the trust goes in a relationship that's it."'

Gospel truth.

So women have no choice but to blindly wander into every relationship with rainbows and butterflies in their eyes, going full flow into relationships and not allowed to even mention a whisper of the possibility of cheating without a man flipping out and going to go cheat?

/Maybe if guys didn't always cheat, women wouldn't get so worried about it.
/An ex is never just a friend
/Is there a dating site for people who have honor and fidelity yet?


That's grade-AAA bullshiat right there. Men don't "always cheat," and women cheat too. Will you admit that men also have the right to subject their spouses to "fidelity tests?"
 
2012-04-12 06:01:37 PM
Guy dodged a serious bullet right there lol. Mind you so did the paranoid psycho-biatch. The pro-slut has probably bought herself a lemon though.
 
2012-04-12 06:03:30 PM

ThePastafarian: Nogale: Sigh. I just got hired for a job that will require an extensive background check. I was thinking about my life and realized that anyone could put a private eye on me at any time and nothing interesting would turn up. Have I been living my life wrong? Poor PI hired to tail me - he or she would keel over from boredom.

That having been said, if you have your significant other tracked, it MIGHT be a sign that something is wrong with the relationship and you pretty much deserve any adverse results.

That is what has always bothered me about people who pry into their loved one's lives. If the trust is gone, why stay?


Because you can't even so much as ask a question without a guy flipping out when it comes to trust/cheating. Most women I've met and myself will be more than happy to convince a guy we're faithful if he asks by piling on the affection, but men get completely irrational about the subject.

It's like serial killers - no one ever suspects anything until it's too late, and your time is wasted and a precious chunk of your life is gone.
 
2012-04-12 06:07:34 PM

Aloy: Because you can't even so much as ask a question without a guy flipping out when it comes to trust/cheating. Most women I've met and myself will be more than happy to convince a guy we're faithful if he asks by piling on the affection, but men get completely irrational about the subject.


I think this is entirely inaccurate, as the bulk of the second half of the thread will attest.

Individuals may get irrational about the subject, but I doubt they are unequally distributed between males and females (or even straights and homosexuals).

There is a difference between inquiring once in a blue moon and badgering someone constantly about potential cheating, however.
 
2012-04-12 06:11:17 PM

ph0rk: ObscureNameHere: There is no way that a happily married couple who try to have a chile then succeed would ever even CONTEMPLATE opening a discussion on 'paternity test'. By even bringing it up represents a mistrustful nature, ergo, you have already lost trust in the marriage.

See?

A woman always knows the maternity of her child. A man can never know with certainty.

That a woman would even contemplate denying this knowledge to a man (from a neutral 3rd party; she is clearly biased), shows severe character flaws.

/I really wish the state mandated paternity tests the first time any man was treated legally as a parent for a given child, would clear this right up.
//Don't want a paternity test taken? Don't put his name on the birth cert and don't ever ask for child support
///I like the idea of mandatory testing all the time better, but most are uncomfortable with this playfield-leveling idea.


imokaywiththis.jpeg

Lessen burden on the courts, and hopefully force help people be a bit more honest.
 
2012-04-12 06:23:28 PM

hubiestubert: There is a moment where you have to conclude that the one thing that all your failed past relationships have in common is you...


Oh sure, blame the victim.
 
2012-04-12 06:39:32 PM
Fark, I am NOT impressed. I did a browse and never saw much reference to any of the classical and modern works base on the Fidelity Test (new window)

/WARNING: site will suck several hours out of your day
 
2012-04-12 06:42:54 PM

ph0rk: I also think that "love" is just a fancy word for "am used to you being around", and I even told her this.


Love is a fancy word for "I want you around no matter what".

Hey, at least if you told her this, then she has no one to be annoyed with but herself.
 
2012-04-12 06:50:15 PM

Jim from Saint Paul: Love is a fancy word for "I want you around no matter what".


This I can agree with.
 
2012-04-12 06:54:13 PM

ph0rk: Aloy: /Is there a dating site for people who have honor and fidelity yet?

It is called your local church.


But..but...no organized religion in my relationships, por favor.

/Forced to go to Baptist church with the last one
//I'll take a big pass on being treated like less because I have nothing dangling
///Want no part of Abramic religions
 
2012-04-12 06:56:59 PM

LoneWolf343: Aloy: LoneWolf343: No, the girlfriend was horrible, so the boyfriend dumped her for the nearest available woman.

FTA: '"The idea was to test men out, not steal them. I wouldn't say I stole Jack. Their relationship was doomed the moment she booked me because once the trust goes in a relationship that's it."'

Gospel truth.

So women have no choice but to blindly wander into every relationship with rainbows and butterflies in their eyes, going full flow into relationships and not allowed to even mention a whisper of the possibility of cheating without a man flipping out and going to go cheat?

/Maybe if guys didn't always cheat, women wouldn't get so worried about it.
/An ex is never just a friend
/Is there a dating site for people who have honor and fidelity yet?

That's grade-AAA bullshiat right there. Men don't "always cheat," and women cheat too. Will you admit that men also have the right to subject their spouses to "fidelity tests?"


Yes!!!! Honestly, at this point, I'd sign a prenup allowing a stoning if either of us cheated, and not even the good kind. I date guys that introduce themselves to me and talk to me like a person, and they always cheat.

/sorely tempted to give up
 
2012-04-12 07:04:08 PM
I gotta wonder, what is the "happy" exit to a situation where you hire someone to test your significant other? If they are a cheater, at least you know. If they aren't, well, is there anyway that it works out in the end?
 
2012-04-12 07:14:37 PM

FarkLiberty: Julie Cochrane: Take the decision to be a stay-home mom. It's great if the marriage works out. But you really have to trust your husband and your relationship, because if it turns out you were wrong about either---you're completely and utterly farked.

They outlawed alimony and child support now?


It's complicated. Short version: fighting for that would have been bad for my kid. I declined to put her in the middle of a scorched-earth squabble.
 
2012-04-12 07:26:04 PM

Aloy: Yes!!!! Honestly, at this point, I'd sign a prenup allowing a stoning if either of us cheated, and not even the good kind. I date guys that introduce themselves to me and talk to me like a person, and they always cheat.

/sorely tempted to give up


I don't get this--how you're ending up with so many cheaters. Are you dating the hot, funny guys who you kinda have to pursue a bit? Yeah, them. They do tend to cheat.

The guys who are more on the pursuing side of the equation, maybe a bit less smooth socially with the first impressions, may be worth a chance to make a second or third impression.

Not that I'm an expert. I'm just trying to find my own way through the wilderness.
 
2012-04-12 07:28:24 PM

mccoma: I gotta wonder, what is the "happy" exit to a situation where you hire someone to test your significant other? If they are a cheater, at least you know. If they aren't, well, is there anyway that it works out in the end?


Sure, for the PI.

Paranoid will remain paranoid (justified or not), and the PI will get repeat business.

Win... win?
 
2012-04-12 07:32:05 PM

Aloy: LoneWolf343: Aloy: LoneWolf343: No, the girlfriend was horrible, so the boyfriend dumped her for the nearest available woman.

FTA: '"The idea was to test men out, not steal them. I wouldn't say I stole Jack. Their relationship was doomed the moment she booked me because once the trust goes in a relationship that's it."'

Gospel truth.

So women have no choice but to blindly wander into every relationship with rainbows and butterflies in their eyes, going full flow into relationships and not allowed to even mention a whisper of the possibility of cheating without a man flipping out and going to go cheat?

/Maybe if guys didn't always cheat, women wouldn't get so worried about it.
/An ex is never just a friend
/Is there a dating site for people who have honor and fidelity yet?

That's grade-AAA bullshiat right there. Men don't "always cheat," and women cheat too. Will you admit that men also have the right to subject their spouses to "fidelity tests?"

Yes!!!! Honestly, at this point, I'd sign a prenup allowing a stoning if either of us cheated, and not even the good kind. I date guys that introduce themselves to me and talk to me like a person, and they always cheat.

/sorely tempted to give up


Yeah, it is a complete mystery to me as to why anyone would want to cheat on you.
 
2012-04-12 08:53:06 PM

FarkLiberty: umad: ph0rk: Of course, I was told lately that dudes shouldn't ask for paternity tests because it shows lack of trust - whatever.

/I'm still asking for one if the time ever comes.

You are an idiot if you don't get one.

/Yes, that includes you Mr. I-trust-my-wife-and-she-would-never-cheat-on-me

How about if the offspring looks, acts, and shares similar genetic quirks as you?

Are you still an idiot then?


Got a brother? How about a cousin?
 
2012-04-12 10:02:15 PM

tollbooth_willy: FarkLiberty: umad: ph0rk: Of course, I was told lately that dudes shouldn't ask for paternity tests because it shows lack of trust - whatever.

/I'm still asking for one if the time ever comes.

You are an idiot if you don't get one.

/Yes, that includes you Mr. I-trust-my-wife-and-she-would-never-cheat-on-me

How about if the offspring looks, acts, and shares similar genetic quirks as you?

Are you still an idiot then?

Got a brother? How about a cousin?


Bunch of little sociopaths we have running around in this thread...
 
2012-04-12 10:21:21 PM

LoneWolf343: tollbooth_willy: FarkLiberty: umad: ph0rk: Of course, I was told lately that dudes shouldn't ask for paternity tests because it shows lack of trust - whatever.

/I'm still asking for one if the time ever comes.

You are an idiot if you don't get one.

/Yes, that includes you Mr. I-trust-my-wife-and-she-would-never-cheat-on-me

How about if the offspring looks, acts, and shares similar genetic quirks as you?

Are you still an idiot then?

Got a brother? How about a cousin?

Bunch of little sociopaths we have running around in this thread...


Yeah, no shait.

As for me, my oldest son looks just like me, and there's no brother and none of my male cousins look anything like me... so I'm cool there.

My two younger daughters look a lot more like their Mom... and at this point, if they're the spawn of the mailman or my cousin, I'd just as well rather continue being lied to, because I love the hell out've those little girls.

I've noticed that the people that have to know everything about everything also tend to be the most miserable... The lady in the article is Exhibit A.
 
2012-04-12 10:57:12 PM
Right, a 25-year-old woman who drinks gin-and-tonics.
 
2012-04-12 10:59:11 PM

Crafty Bernardo: LoneWolf343: tollbooth_willy: FarkLiberty: umad: ph0rk: Of course, I was told lately that dudes shouldn't ask for paternity tests because it shows lack of trust - whatever.

/I'm still asking for one if the time ever comes.

You are an idiot if you don't get one.

/Yes, that includes you Mr. I-trust-my-wife-and-she-would-never-cheat-on-me

How about if the offspring looks, acts, and shares similar genetic quirks as you?

Are you still an idiot then?

Got a brother? How about a cousin?

Bunch of little sociopaths we have running around in this thread...

Yeah, no shait.

As for me, my oldest son looks just like me, and there's no brother and none of my male cousins look anything like me... so I'm cool there.

My two younger daughters look a lot more like their Mom... and at this point, if they're the spawn of the mailman or my cousin, I'd just as well rather continue being lied to, because I love the hell out've those little girls.

I've noticed that the people that have to know everything about everything also tend to be the most miserable... The lady in the article is Exhibit A.


so·ci·o·path [soh-see-uh-path, soh-shee-] Show IPA
noun Psychiatry .
a person with a psychopathic personality whose behavior is antisocial, often criminal, and who lacks a sense of moral responsibility or social conscience.


Sorry, how am I a sociopath? Someone presented a scenario, and I provided an alternate explanation to "my wife couldn't POSSIBLY have cheated." You should learn what words mean before you use them.

While you're looking things up, check out "devil's advocate." Not claiming the the situation I described would be anywhere near normal, but don't pretend you've never seen the farked up things that come out on Maury, Jerry Springer, Jenny Jones, etc...
 
2012-04-12 11:15:57 PM

Julie Cochrane: Aloy: Yes!!!! Honestly, at this point, I'd sign a prenup allowing a stoning if either of us cheated, and not even the good kind. I date guys that introduce themselves to me and talk to me like a person, and they always cheat.

/sorely tempted to give up

I don't get this--how you're ending up with so many cheaters. Are you dating the hot, funny guys who you kinda have to pursue a bit? Yeah, them. They do tend to cheat.

The guys who are more on the pursuing side of the equation, maybe a bit less smooth socially with the first impressions, may be worth a chance to make a second or third impression.

Not that I'm an expert. I'm just trying to find my own way through the wilderness.


God, no. The really hot ones not only attract more women, they often use more makeup than I do. No, tend to go for the latter, and you know, it's almost always that they secretly carry a torch for an ex-girlfriend, and it doesn't come out until later. It's the damnedest thing. It's extra depressing because the ex has the nostalgia factor, and no matter how hard you try, you can't compare to that rosy glow.

/wilderness is one way to put it
 
2012-04-12 11:48:19 PM

tollbooth_willy: Crafty Bernardo: LoneWolf343: tollbooth_willy: FarkLiberty: umad: ph0rk: Of course, I was told lately that dudes shouldn't ask for paternity tests because it shows lack of trust - whatever.

/I'm still asking for one if the time ever comes.

You are an idiot if you don't get one.

/Yes, that includes you Mr. I-trust-my-wife-and-she-would-never-cheat-on-me

How about if the offspring looks, acts, and shares similar genetic quirks as you?

Are you still an idiot then?

Got a brother? How about a cousin?

Bunch of little sociopaths we have running around in this thread...

Yeah, no shait.

As for me, my oldest son looks just like me, and there's no brother and none of my male cousins look anything like me... so I'm cool there.

My two younger daughters look a lot more like their Mom... and at this point, if they're the spawn of the mailman or my cousin, I'd just as well rather continue being lied to, because I love the hell out've those little girls.

I've noticed that the people that have to know everything about everything also tend to be the most miserable... The lady in the article is Exhibit A.

so·ci·o·path [soh-see-uh-path, soh-shee-] Show IPA
noun Psychiatry .
a person with a psychopathic personality whose behavior is antisocial, often criminal, and who lacks a sense of moral responsibility or social conscience.


Sorry, how am I a sociopath? Someone presented a scenario, and I provided an alternate explanation to "my wife couldn't POSSIBLY have cheated." You should learn what words mean before you use them.

While you're looking things up, check out "devil's advocate." Not claiming the the situation I described would be anywhere near normal, but don't pretend you've never seen the farked up things that come out on Maury, Jerry Springer, Jenny Jones, etc...


I was personally responding to the person who said he was going to be sure to get a paternity test on any child he has with a woman he's farked... but being so presumptuous that you'd submit your child/wife to a paternity test to make sure a child that a woman you've been with that looks like you is not somehow not your cousin's also fills the bill.

"antisocial, often criminal, and who lacks a sense of moral responsibility or social conscience"

Minus the criminal part, I'd say that pretty neatly sums up someone who would run off and get a paternity test if they've bareboned a woman and said woman had a child that looked just like him nine months later.. I mean, you REALLY could give a fark about the mother of your child's emotional well being if she just had your baby and that's high on your agenda... you know, give a fark in an antisocial, morally irresponsible, and socially unconsionable way?
 
2012-04-13 12:08:29 AM
The internet. Where you can say stupid shiat and then just lie and claim it was hyperbole later.
 
2012-04-13 12:17:59 AM

Crafty Bernardo: I was personally responding to the person who said he was going to be sure to get a paternity test on any child he has with a woman he's farked... but being so presumptuous that you' ...


On the first part...fair enough. I only responded to you instead of him because you seemed to agree to the "bunch of little sociopaths" comment. If I was mistaken, I apologize.

As for the second part of your reply, I have two points:
1. Again, look up "devil's advocate." I don't want to have to do it for you.
2. At birth, can you REALLY tell how much that kid looks like his father? It takes a few years, and by that time it's usually too late to challenge paternity.

I'm all for taking the guilt out of the process and making paternity testing mandatory. If the mother's not lying, what does she have to hide? There's no reason that her faux outrage should be grounds for someone raising another man's child.
 
2012-04-13 12:30:16 AM

tollbooth_willy: Crafty Bernardo: I was personally responding to the person who said he was going to be sure to get a paternity test on any child he has with a woman he's farked... but being so presumptuous that you' ...

On the first part...fair enough. I only responded to you instead of him because you seemed to agree to the "bunch of little sociopaths" comment. If I was mistaken, I apologize.

As for the second part of your reply, I have two points:
1. Again, look up "devil's advocate." I don't want to have to do it for you.
2. At birth, can you REALLY tell how much that kid looks like his father? It takes a few years, and by that time it's usually too late to challenge paternity.

I'm all for taking the guilt out of the process and making paternity testing mandatory. If the mother's not lying, what does she have to hide? There's no reason that her faux outrage should be grounds for someone raising another man's child.


Given relationships are based on trust, there's nothing "faux" about the pain a woman would naturally feel if you wanted a paternity test shortly after she had your baby.

The more you post, the worse it gets... Unless you have some justifiable reason to think a child is not yours, thinking it's not morally reprehensible and socially unconscionable to expect your wife to be okey-dokey with demands that you submit your newborn child's DNA to a paternity test is fairly psychopathic.

And for future reference, you don't need to implore people to "look up 'devil's advocate' so that I don't have to". Devil's advocacy isn't some obscure concept, you know... it's safe to assume others know what is.

While you're at it, you can retire the copy-pasting the definition of psychopath.. For the most part, people know psychopathic behavior when they see it.

Copying and pasting definitions of, or pretending to condescend to other's knowledge of, commonly known terms/words is not a scathing debate tactic, you know....

Jim from Saint Paul said it well.
 
2012-04-13 12:34:42 AM
I'm sorry, replace psychopath with sociopath throughout that last post.. I brainfarted the first time and then got stuck sniffing it the rest of the post.
 
2012-04-13 01:30:12 AM

Crafty Bernardo: Given relationships are based on trust, there's nothing "faux" about the pain a woman would naturally feel if you wanted a paternity test shortly after she had your baby.

The more you post, the worse it gets... Unless you have some justifiable reason to think a child is not yours, thinking it's not morally reprehensible and socially unconscionable to expect your wife to be okey-dokey with demands that you submit your newborn child's DNA to a paternity test is fairly psychopathic.


I never even implied a woman would be okay with her man asking for a paternity test. Again...get rid of the guilt factor. If it's mandatory, there's no reason for dad to risk that wrath, and both parties wind up with the truth. How is the truth bad again?

Make it mandatory so that both male and female cheaters pay the price.

And for future reference, you don't need to implore people to "look up 'devil's advocate' so that I don't have to". Devil's advocacy isn't some obscure concept, you know... it's safe to assume others know what is.

Ummm..not sure why so hostile. If I recall, I conceded a point to you in my last post, and I wasn't trying to be overly insulting. Sorry if you know the term "devil's advocate" and chose to ignore the actual definition, but it generally means taking a position you don't necessarily agree with. You claim to understand this, but attack me for the argument that I presented as if I'm personally fundraising for "women that cheat with their husband's relatives." The only thing that I've come out in favor of is leveling the playing field.

Copying and pasting definitions of, or pretending to condescend to other's knowledge of, commonly known terms/words is not a scathing debate tactic, you know...

Neither is misusing words that you don't know.

While you're at it, you can retire the copy-pasting the definition of psychopath.. For the most part, people know psychopathic behavior when they see it.
I'm sorry, replace psychopath with sociopath throughout that last post.. I brainfarted the first time and then got stuck sniffing it the rest of the post.


No, you were actually closer to the definition you wanted than the guy you quoted:
Psychopathy (/saɪˈkɒpəθi/[1][2] from the Ancient Greek ψυχή "psyche", -soul and πάθος "pathos" -passion) is a personality disorder characterized by a pervasive pattern of disregard for the rights of others and the rules of society. Psychopaths have a total lack of empathy and remorse, and have very shallow emotions. They are generally regarded as callous, selfish, dishonest, arrogant, aggressive, impulsive, irresponsible, and hedonistic.

I'd retire the copy/pasta if you were actually using the words that you think you are.

Again, my original post was more aimed at the guy you were quoting, but feel free to come at me, bro...
 
2012-04-13 01:36:23 AM
Oh...and I wasn't "pretending to condescend to other's knowledge..."

Not at all serious here. But dude...it's the internet. I'm only allowed a certain percentage of posts without the requisite amount of snark, ya know?
 
2012-04-13 02:18:32 AM

tollbooth_willy: Crafty Bernardo: LoneWolf343: tollbooth_willy: FarkLiberty: umad: ph0rk: Of course, I was told lately that dudes shouldn't ask for paternity tests because it shows lack of trust - whatever.

/I'm still asking for one if the time ever comes.

You are an idiot if you don't get one.

/Yes, that includes you Mr. I-trust-my-wife-and-she-would-never-cheat-on-me

How about if the offspring looks, acts, and shares similar genetic quirks as you?

Are you still an idiot then?

Got a brother? How about a cousin?

Bunch of little sociopaths we have running around in this thread...

Yeah, no shait.

As for me, my oldest son looks just like me, and there's no brother and none of my male cousins look anything like me... so I'm cool there.

My two younger daughters look a lot more like their Mom... and at this point, if they're the spawn of the mailman or my cousin, I'd just as well rather continue being lied to, because I love the hell out've those little girls.

I've noticed that the people that have to know everything about everything also tend to be the most miserable... The lady in the article is Exhibit A.

so·ci·o·path [soh-see-uh-path, soh-shee-] Show IPA
noun Psychiatry .
a person with a psychopathic personality whose behavior is antisocial, often criminal, and who lacks a sense of moral responsibility or social conscience.


Sorry, how am I a sociopath? Someone presented a scenario, and I provided an alternate explanation to "my wife couldn't POSSIBLY have cheated." You should learn what words mean before you use them.

While you're looking things up, check out "devil's advocate." Not claiming the the situation I described would be anywhere near normal, but don't pretend you've never seen the farked up things that come out on Maury, Jerry Springer, Jenny Jones, etc...


Devil doesn't need an advocate: all of the advocates go to him already.

And no, I don't see those farked up things out of Maury, Jerry Springer, and Jenny Jones, because I don't watch those shows.
 
2012-04-13 02:54:13 AM

LoneWolf343: Devil doesn't need an advocate: all of the advocates go to him already.


Way to sidestep the point with nonsense. If you really want to bring religion into it, the Roman Catholic Church disagrees with you since 1587.

And no, I don't see those farked up things out of Maury, Jerry Springer, and Jenny Jones, because I don't watch those shows.

Sure ya don't. I'm sure that you're too busy shopping for skinny jeans and PBR to own a television. ;)
 
2012-04-13 08:56:24 AM
The problem with mandatory paternity testing is it's also an invasion of the couple's privacy. If the husband has a fertility problem and the couple has conspired together to pull a switcheroo -- presumably with the consent of the man involved -- and just put the husband's name on the birth certificate, the couple is going to get caught.

The only way to avoid invading that couple's privacy is to make them able to waive the paternity test---which kind of defeats the purpose of making it mandatory.

A deliberate cuckoo in the nest is free. Lots of infertile couples cannot afford IVF. Lots of men's pride, throughout history, will handle the deliberate, quiet cuckoo for the sake of him having a son or a daughter---as long as nobody else knows.

The law is set up the way it is because the tradition of the deliberate cuckold as an infertility "fix" goes back millennia or more. IVF and sperm donors just took the sexytime out of it.

But IVF costs thousands of dollars a try, for very uncertain results. Getting super-rooster into your henhouse is pretty much guaranteed, as long as your hen doesn't have problems, too. And is generally free.

The law is set up to make paternity set in stone after a short while if you're married, even if you're not the biological father, to secure the parental rights of infertile men---against the wife in a divorce (since cuckoos are rarely going to come back for the baby)---when the pair have conspired together to use the traditional infertility workaround.

The presumption is that it's more likely that the husband is attached to the children and wants his parental rights protected than that he's resentful and wants to turf the kids out without a dime and never see them again.
 
2012-04-13 09:02:38 AM

Crafty Bernardo: Given relationships are based on trust, there's nothing "faux" about the pain a woman would naturally feel if you wanted a paternity test shortly after she had your baby.


There is nothing "faux" about the pain a man would naturally feel when he finds out the baby isn't his shortly after she had "his" baby when he gets farked by the courts for the next 18+ years because he didn't want to hurt her delicate little feelings.

I don't care if you think I am a sociopath. Sometimes I wonder if I am one myself. Anyway, the stats are scary enough that there is no farking way I am going to sign my ass up for such a massive commitment until I am positive that it is my kid.

Hospitals mix up babies occasionally as well. It never hurts to double-check that they are giving you the right one.
 
2012-04-13 09:05:19 AM

Julie Cochrane: The problem with mandatory paternity testing is it's also an invasion of the couple's privacy. If the husband has a fertility problem and the couple has conspired together to pull a switcheroo -- presumably with the consent of the man involved -- and just put the husband's name on the birth certificate, the couple is going to get caught.

The only way to avoid invading that couple's privacy is to make them able to waive the paternity test---which kind of defeats the purpose of making it mandatory.

A deliberate cuckoo in the nest is free. Lots of infertile couples cannot afford IVF. Lots of men's pride, throughout history, will handle the deliberate, quiet cuckoo for the sake of him having a son or a daughter---as long as nobody else knows.

The law is set up the way it is because the tradition of the deliberate cuckold as an infertility "fix" goes back millennia or more. IVF and sperm donors just took the sexytime out of it.

But IVF costs thousands of dollars a try, for very uncertain results. Getting super-rooster into your henhouse is pretty much guaranteed, as long as your hen doesn't have problems, too. And is generally free.

The law is set up to make paternity set in stone after a short while if you're married, even if you're not the biological father, to secure the parental rights of infertile men---against the wife in a divorce (since cuckoos are rarely going to come back for the baby)---when the pair have conspired together to use the traditional infertility workaround.

The presumption is that it's more likely that the husband is attached to the children and wants his parental rights protected than that he's resentful and wants to turf the kids out without a dime and never see them again.


Good lord. What a laughable load of bullshiat.
 
2012-04-13 09:06:36 AM
Oh, also--if the state has to choose between protecting the rights of infertile husbands and fathers in a divorce---the ones who want to stay in their kids lives---versus protecting the rights of defrauded husbands in a divorce who don't care about the kids and want to bolt---the state is choosing to protect the infertile dads.

This doesn't make the fraud against the defrauded dads okay.

Just because I understand some of the tough questions behind the state's choices in making the laws doesn't mean I like the outcome and doesn't mean I think they shouldn't be trying for a better outcome.

The thing is, not all cases of the genetics don't match are a case of fraud. There are more cases than people would like to acknowledge where couples conspire together to get themselves that informal sperm donor, and then you have the chance of buyer's remorse on all kinds of levels.

Fraud is not okay. Crafting a fair law that will protect men from this kind of fraud without unfairly screwing over someone else is not easy. There's probably a decent solution, but nobody's thought of it yet.
 
2012-04-13 09:38:28 AM
Mandating paternity tests seems like overkill to me. Why not just make a paternity test a precondition for awarding child support if the couple splits up?
 
2012-04-13 09:51:52 AM

Nogale: Mandating paternity tests seems like overkill to me. Why not just make a paternity test a precondition for awarding child support if the couple splits up?


Seems reasonable. Therefore it will never happen.
 
2012-04-13 09:53:12 AM

tollbooth_willy: LoneWolf343: Devil doesn't need an advocate: all of the advocates go to him already.

Way to sidestep the point with nonsense. If you really want to bring religion into it, the Roman Catholic Church disagrees with you since 1587.

And no, I don't see those farked up things out of Maury, Jerry Springer, and Jenny Jones, because I don't watch those shows.

Sure ya don't. I'm sure that you're too busy shopping for skinny jeans and PBR to own a television. ;)


Well, if you really want to bring religion into this, John Bunyan believed that one becomes what he beholds. Therefore, if you watch trash television, you become trash...you trash.
 
2012-04-13 08:41:50 PM

ElPollotonto: LarryDan43: Fake

Have to second this.


Why does Fark gobble up British tabloids, but dismiss the American ones for being as stupidly inane as they are. It's just odd.
 
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