Lumpmoose: "When I hear Governor Romney talking about repealing Obamacare, I just think he's jumping to a political position where the issue isn't healthcare, it's getting elected."

-Madelyn Rhenisch, first person helped by Romneycare and once used for political points by Romney

Wow. The Obama people could have coached her to say "the ACA" but they went right along with embracing Obamacare.

As has been opined here by others I suspect that within the next four years the term Obamacare will have lost it's pejorative connotation through over-use. Really it's been beaten to death so badly already that even the most liberalest liberals don't bother to correct it anymore.

Mitt Romney Haunted By Past Of Trying To Help Uninsured Sick People (new window)

Bottom line here....Romneycare was voted on by the people. It should be a state's right thing, not a federal mandate.

ManateeGag: Barack Obama, king of the political trolls.

He really is.

What a magnificent troll

karnal: Bottom line here....Romneycare was voted on by the people. It should be a state's right thing, not a federal mandate.

So Romneycare was the result of a referendum?

karnal: Bottom line here....Romneycare was voted on by the people. It should be a state's right thing, not a federal mandate.

Except that Romney said it should be the model for a national system.

actualhuman: Lumpmoose: "When I hear Governor Romney talking about repealing Obamacare, I just think he's jumping to a political position where the issue isn't healthcare, it's getting elected."

-Madelyn Rhenisch, first person helped by Romneycare and once used for political points by Romney

Wow. The Obama people could have coached her to say "the ACA" but they went right along with embracing Obamacare.

As has been opined here by others I suspect that within the next four years the term Obamacare will have lost it's pejorative connotation through over-use. Really it's been beaten to death so badly already that even the most liberalest liberals don't bother to correct it anymore.

Agreed, if the SCOTUS doesn't strike it down, the move to label it Obamacare will haunt the GOP for years to come. It seems that using that label could end up being a very shortsighted strategy, but hey, go all in!

It's like the Dems finally got some balls again and are using humor and logic. This ranks up there with Clinton's "It's the economy, stupid".

If you don't like Mitt's position on an issue, wait 5 minutes and ask him again.

pueblonative


karnal: Bottom line here....Romneycare was voted on by the people. It should be a state's right thing, not a federal mandate.

So Romneycare was the result of a referendum?

It was supported overwhelmingly in the MA legislature with 198 house reps supporting the bill and only 2 voting against it - 99% voting in favor of the plan.

The bill also passed through the state senate without a single dissenting vote and it was supported by nearly every special interest group in the state.

Dr Dreidel: Time (and SCOTUS) will tell the final tale, but the once-pejorative "Obamacare" is now just shorthand. If it's not overturned, "Obamacare" will be emblazoned on everything in the Presidential Library, and Obama enjoys record-level approval ratings until President Yelnick McWawa enacts single-payer (target date: 2078).

I don't care what party he/she is from - I would unhesitatingly vote for a president named "Yelnick McWawa."

Romney, of course, now denies that he ever intended the Massachusetts health care law to be a model for the nation - despite writing in a 2009 op-ed that it should.

Does not compute.
Does not compute.
Does not compute.
Does not compute.

*heads explodes - gears go flying out*

Obama campaign 2012, great troll? ...or Best Troll EVAR?

It's funny because Romney disowns his crowning achievement in MA so he can suck up to the teabaggers.

ginandbacon: Mentat: I'm already starting to feel sorry for Romney. I know it's early and anything can happen, but so far it's like watching a cat toy with a mouse.

Right? It's just so lopsided a fight. Like Charlie Brown with Lucy and the football.

I was gonna go with "like a kitten in a dark room versus a guy with a laser pointer" but I like yours too! ^_^

Jake Havechek

It's funny because Romney disowns his crowning achievement in MA so he can suck up to the teabaggers.


It is because he knows his health care model would never work on a national level.

karnal: Jake Havechek

It's funny because Romney disowns his crowning achievement in MA so he can suck up to the teabaggers.


It is because he knows his health care model would never work on a national level.

Then why did he say it should be the national model?

karnal: pueblonative


karnal: Bottom line here....Romneycare was voted on by the people. It should be a state's right thing, not a federal mandate.

So Romneycare was the result of a referendum?

It was supported overwhelmingly in the MA legislature with 198 house reps supporting the bill and only 2 voting against it - 99% voting in favor of the plan.

The bill also passed through the state senate without a single dissenting vote and it was supported by nearly every special interest group in the state.

Nice attempt not answering my question. And from my civics class, a law that passes with 51 percent of the vote is no less valid than one that passes with 99 percent of the vote.

Democrats don't want Romney. Republicans don't want Romney. How the hell is he their candidate?

SixPaperJoint: actualhuman: Lumpmoose: "When I hear Governor Romney talking about repealing Obamacare, I just think he's jumping to a political position where the issue isn't healthcare, it's getting elected."

-Madelyn Rhenisch, first person helped by Romneycare and once used for political points by Romney

Wow. The Obama people could have coached her to say "the ACA" but they went right along with embracing Obamacare.

As has been opined here by others I suspect that within the next four years the term Obamacare will have lost it's pejorative connotation through over-use. Really it's been beaten to death so badly already that even the most liberalest liberals don't bother to correct it anymore.

Agreed, if the SCOTUS doesn't strike it down, the move to label it Obamacare will haunt the GOP for years to come. It seems that using that label could end up being a very shortsighted strategy, but hey, go all in!

I bet that if any sitting Republican member of Congress were to play a no-limit Texas Hold 'em game, they'd shove it all in with a 7-2 off-suit in the hole.

karnal: pueblonative


karnal: Bottom line here....Romneycare was voted on by the people. It should be a state's right thing, not a federal mandate.

So Romneycare was the result of a referendum?

It was supported overwhelmingly in the MA legislature with 198 house reps supporting the bill and only 2 voting against it - 99% voting in favor of the plan.

The bill also passed through the state senate without a single dissenting vote and it was supported by nearly every special interest group in the state.

So the answer to his question is "no" then, right?

Romneycare doesn't work at the state level. They mail out the assignment cards to incorrect addresses. Then, when you haven't returned the paper you never received, your insurance is canceled for at least 90 days.

Philip Francis Queeg: karnal: Jake Havechek

It's funny because Romney disowns his crowning achievement in MA so he can suck up to the teabaggers.

It is because he knows his health care model would never work on a national level.

Then why did he say it should be the national model?

Because he didn't realize that Dictator-for-life Fartbongo HUSSEIN ObaMao Zedong al-Chicago was going to be the evil overlord who made it the national model. If Jesus Q. Reagan had made it the national model, everything would be kosher.

Philip Francis Queeg


karnal: Jake Havechek

It's funny because Romney disowns his crowning achievement in MA so he can suck up to the teabaggers.


It is because he knows his health care model would never work on a national level.

Then why did he say it should be the national model?


Maybe because that was then and this is now....Health costs in Massachusetts are spiraling out of control....premiums up as much as 6%. It was an experiment that failed....or is failing.
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Corvus: karnal: It is because he knows his health care model would never work on a national level.

That's not what he said in the past.

Also I thought the Republicans were against a GOVERNMENT MANDATE. Doesn't Romenycare plan have a GOVERNMENT MANDATE? Sol which is it?

Or government mandates are only bad when it's Obama?

Thats cause he's a black blacky blackity-black-black-BLACK blacksterific black black person who is black.

karnal: Philip Francis Queeg


karnal: Jake Havechek

It's funny because Romney disowns his crowning achievement in MA so he can suck up to the teabaggers.


It is because he knows his health care model would never work on a national level.

Then why did he say it should be the national model?


Maybe because that was then and this is now....Health costs in Massachusetts are spiraling out of control....premiums up as much as 6%. It was an experiment that failed....or is failing.
.

6% in what timeframe? Because that sounds pretty good compared to the amount my premiums have gone up every year.

karnal: Bottom line here....Romneycare was voted on by the people. It should be a state's right thing, not a federal mandate.

It's funny that Obama thinks it's a great idea to say things like this. Considering one is a constitutional power granted to the states and the other is a power grab by the federal government.

Philip Francis Queeg: karnal: Jake Havechek

It's funny because Romney disowns his crowning achievement in MA so he can suck up to the teabaggers.


It is because he knows his health care model would never work on a national level.

Then why did he say it should be the national model?

For the record,

"Health care cannot be handled the same way as the stimulus and cap-and-trade bills. With those, the president stuck to the old style of lawmaking: He threw in every special favor imaginable, ground it up and crammed it through a partisan Democratic Congress. Health care is simply too important to the economy, to employment and to America's families to be larded up and rushed through on an artificial deadline. There's a better way. And the lessons we learned in Massachusetts could help Washington find it.

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Our experience also demonstrates that getting every citizen insured doesn't have to break the bank. First, we established incentives for those who were uninsured to buy insurance. Using tax penalties, as we did, or tax credits, as others have proposed, encourages "free riders" to take responsibility for themselves rather than pass their medical costs on to others. This doesn't cost the government a single dollar. Second, we helped pay for our new program by ending an old one - something government should do more often. The federal government sends an estimated $42 billion to hospitals that care for the poor: Use those funds instead to help the poor buy private insurance, as we did.

When our bill passed three years ago, the legislature projected that our program would cost $725 million in 2009. At $723 million, next year's forecast is pretty much on target. When you calculate all the savings, including that from the free hospital care we eliminated, the net cost to the state is approximately $350 million. The watchdog Massachusetts Taxpayers Foundation concluded that our program's cost is "relatively modest" and "well within initial projections."

And if subsidies and coverages are reined in, as I've suggested, the Massachusetts program could actually break even."

-Romney