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2012-04-12 08:53:36 AM
*grabs popcorn*
 
2012-04-12 09:09:12 AM
You know how I know you DRTFA?
 
2012-04-12 10:26:31 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Bloomberg is FOR gun control. That is to say, he is AGAINST GUNS. Subby please read articles before composing headlines.
 
2012-04-12 10:59:19 AM

Djkb: Correct me if I'm wrong, but Bloomberg is FOR gun control. That is to say, he is AGAINST GUNS. Subby please read articles before composing headlines.


You are mistaken. Mr. Bloomberg does not oppose firearms possessed by bodyguards, corrupt police officers and wealthy celebrities who donate in support of the appropriate political ambitions.
 
2012-04-12 10:59:38 AM
Not big on reading comprehension, eh subby?
 
2012-04-12 11:00:13 AM

Wendy's Chili: You know how I know you DRTFA?


I'm pretty sure it's a bait and switch.
 
2012-04-12 11:00:46 AM
subby is dumb. so is bloomberg.
 
2012-04-12 11:01:10 AM
Fark him and the NAACP too
 
2012-04-12 11:01:45 AM
Send lawyers, guns, and money - dad get me out of this.
 
2012-04-12 11:02:42 AM
Uh, no. He wants to repeal stand your ground laws so that people will be legally obligated to run away from a threat and hope they don't get killed trying.
 
2012-04-12 11:02:54 AM
Mayor Bloomingidiot is a tool. Regardless of so called "Stand your ground" laws, you still have the right to use lethal force to defend yourself or other against death or serious bodily injury.
 
2012-04-12 11:03:05 AM
In before the pizza snobs.
 
2012-04-12 11:04:02 AM
I'm guessing that Zimmerman wishes he hadn't had a gun that night.
 
2012-04-12 11:04:48 AM
GUN PR0N THREAD
 
2012-04-12 11:05:30 AM

Wendy's Chili: You know how I know you DRTFA?


And we're done here. Someone get the lights.
 
2012-04-12 11:05:34 AM

farkityfarker: I'm guessing that Zimmerman wishes he hadn't had a gun that night.


Not as much as Trayvon.
 
2012-04-12 11:05:42 AM
With his views on gun control and tobacco, it always seems like Bloomberg is constantly running for the "Biggest Buzzkill and Douche Bag of the Year" award.
 
2012-04-12 11:06:30 AM

Dimensio:
You are mistaken. Mr. Bloomberg does not oppose firearms possessed by bodyguards, corrupt police officers and wealthy celebrities who donate in support of the appropriate political ambitions.


You left off "made members." They're the only other group who can get a carry permit in NYC.
 
2012-04-12 11:06:46 AM

SpiffyandRedhot: In before the pizza snobs.


Lulz.
 
2012-04-12 11:06:47 AM

paygun: Uh, no. He wants to repeal stand your ground laws so that people will be legally obligated to run away from a threat and hope they don't get killed trying.


When faced with the threat of death or gross bodily harm, clearly the smartest thing to do is to turn your back and attempt to run. Especially if you are old, infirm or otherwise physically inferior to your attacker.
 
2012-04-12 11:07:04 AM

paygun: Uh, no. He wants to repeal stand your ground laws so that people will be legally obligated to run away from a threat and hope they don't get killed trying.



Um, I read the opposite.
 
2012-04-12 11:07:26 AM
A bold stance on 'Stand Your Ground' laws from the mayor of a city in a state which has no such laws.

STFU & GBTW, Mayor $loom$erg.
 
2012-04-12 11:08:10 AM

TravisBickle62: Fark him and the NAACP too


What, now?

www.gameinformer.com
 
2012-04-12 11:08:24 AM

Callous: When faced with the threat of death or gross bodily harm, clearly the smartest thing to do is to turn your back and attempt to run. Especially if you are old, infirm or otherwise physically inferior to your attacker.


A compelling rebuttal to an argument nobody has made.
 
2012-04-12 11:09:38 AM
Fark New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg !
I know, let him lead by example, take the guns away from the cops and see how that works for him. Or ask that his bodyguards hang up their guns. He's just playing to the current headlines, like any politician.
 
2012-04-12 11:09:43 AM
Yeah just ask Plaxico Burress
 
2012-04-12 11:11:11 AM

Callous: Especially if you are old, infirm or otherwise physically inferior to your attacker.


Screw those people, if we can't have death panels that's the next best thing.
 
2012-04-12 11:11:17 AM

poot_rootbeer: Callous: When faced with the threat of death or gross bodily harm, clearly the smartest thing to do is to turn your back and attempt to run. Especially if you are old, infirm or otherwise physically inferior to your attacker.

A compelling rebuttal to an argument nobody has made.


FTFA The campaign aims to repeal or reform the laws that eliminated a person's duty to retreat when threatened with serious bodily harm or death.

Thank you for playing. Next time read the article before claiming it doesn't say exactly what it says.
 
2012-04-12 11:11:29 AM
Callous:
When faced with the threat of death or gross bodily harm, clearly the smartest thing to do is to turn your back and attempt to run. Especially if you are old, infirm or otherwise physically inferior to your attacker.

poot_rootbeer:
A compelling rebuttal to an argument nobody has made.

...except for Bloomberg, who is against any sort of "stand your ground" law, and who is really into "duty to retreat."

"Duty to retreat," by the way, means you have a legal obligation to "turn your back and attempt to run" when confronted by a criminal.
 
2012-04-12 11:12:08 AM
Bloomberg is a rich arsehole who thinks he knows better than the rest of us.

Fark you Mayor. Fark you.
 
2012-04-12 11:14:25 AM
My God that article is long and complex.

Does anyone have a link to a shorter one?
 
2012-04-12 11:15:03 AM

farkityfarker: I'm guessing that Zimmerman wishes he hadn't had a gun that night.


yes, I'm sure he wishes he had let Trayvon beat him all the way to death instead.
 
Biv
2012-04-12 11:15:41 AM

farkityfarker: I'm guessing that Zimmerman wishes he hadn't had a gun that night.


I guessing he's glad he's not beat to a bloody pulp or dead.

Yes, NY needs more guns. More LEGAL guns. There is no reason a citizen shouldn't be allowed to carry.
 
2012-04-12 11:15:53 AM
Instead of shooting off his mouth, Bloomberger should just bite a bullet.
 
2012-04-12 11:16:05 AM
Here's a thought:

Scrap your constitution and start over. Despite your slavish invocation of it at every opportunity, it's clearly not working for y'all.
 
2012-04-12 11:17:24 AM

Psychomancer: Mayor Bloomingidiot is a tool. Regardless of so called "Stand your ground" laws, you still have the right to use lethal force to defend yourself or other against death or serious bodily injury.


You do realize that you just explained that the "Stand Your Ground Laws" are unnecessary, thereby making his point?
 
2012-04-12 11:17:55 AM
Me: notsureifserious.jpg

Subby: thatsthejoke.jpg
 
2012-04-12 11:18:05 AM
this reminds me, time to renew my membership!

/actually the constant barrage of junk mail reminds me to renew my membership or donate on a near daily basis.
 
Biv
2012-04-12 11:18:41 AM

towatchoverme: Here's a thought:

Scrap your constitution and start over. Despite your slavish invocation of it at every opportunity, it's clearly not working for y'all.


Still better than what anyone else has.
 
2012-04-12 11:18:45 AM
I'll take Bloomberg more seriously when his guards are forced to follow the same laws as the citizens of NYC. Besides the blatant hypocrisy, where does this guy get off trying to affect policy about anything outside the city he is mayor of?
 
2012-04-12 11:18:46 AM

A_fuente: Dimensio:
You are mistaken. Mr. Bloomberg does not oppose firearms possessed by bodyguards, corrupt police officers and wealthy celebrities who donate in support of the appropriate political ambitions.

You left off "made members." They're the only other group who can get a carry permit in NYC.


My omission was due to ignorance; I had understood -- perhaps mistakenly -- such individuals to be permitted to carry firearms only in New Jersey.
 
2012-04-12 11:22:53 AM
FTA: "The campaign aims to repeal or reform the laws that eliminated a person's duty to retreat when threatened with serious bodily harm or death."

The old Monty Python Law... RUN AWAY!!!!
 
2012-04-12 11:23:24 AM

Wendy's Chili: You know how I know you DRTFA?


Seriously. Sometimes I wonder if our kids is learning to read.
 
2012-04-12 11:23:50 AM

towatchoverme: Here's a thought:

Scrap your constitution and start over. Despite your slavish invocation of it at every opportunity, it's clearly not working for y'all.


Perhaps, before "scrapping" the Constitution, convincing the government to actually honor and abide by it, rather than ignore it when convenient to do so, should be attempted. A new Constitution will be of no use if it is ignored as frequently as is the current one.
 
2012-04-12 11:23:51 AM

farkityfarker: I'm guessing that Zimmerman wishes he hadn't had a gun that night.


Probably guessing wrong. All Zimmerman has to do is show that he was reasonably in fear of his life, or of serious injury, and that he couldn't reasonably escape from the situation, by the preponderance of evidence to a judge before any trial commences. Then the judge is bound by Florida law to dismiss the charges. But let's say that doesn't happen: He's still got a reasonable chance in front of a jury. The state has to prove Murder 2 beyond a reasonable doubt, and unless they have some really, really good evidence that we haven't heard about, or they can stack the jury, it's likely that there is enough reasonable doubt that Zimmerman will end up with a 'not gillcup' verdict.

My thinking is that the decision to charge him is at least partially politically motivated: Public opinion is inflamed right now, and a decision not to charge Zimmerman would likely cause at least some rioting, ala the Rodney King verdicts. Nobody in power wants that: The local government in Sanford doesn't want it, the state of Florida doesn't want it, and the federal government doesn't want it. Not in an election year. Charging Zimmerman gives people a chance to cool off, it takes the burden off of the prosecutor, and it is entirely likely that any trial won't happen until after election night in November.
 
2012-04-12 11:30:29 AM
In Wisconsin we had an obligation to retreat before using force to defend ourselves, and could only use force if all avenues of retreat were exhausted. This included while in our homes. Then the legislature passed to "Castle doctrine" which pretty much removes the need to retreat, and at the same time states that any home invader is automatically considered an imminent threat. So of course not long after the law was changed a kid who broke into a back porch to hide from the cops who were raiding a house party was shot and killed by the home owner. Of course no charges were filed.

Jeesus Christ. Can't we have a middle ground? If someone is in my house attacking me or my family, I should not have to prove that I had no where to run before I defended my family or myself. On the other hand, I shouldn't have the right to gun down someone for the sole reason that they are in my house without permission. I have two daughters, and as much as I hate the thought, they may have boys sneaking around at some point. Or as in the story above, a homeowner may have a drunk or stoned kid that's just trying to hide from the cops so he doesn't get a stupid ticket. Even people that break into a house to rob it. If they retreat when confronted, why should I have the right to use deadly force? Under current law I do, as long as that person is in my house, I have the right to not only shoot first and ask questions latter, but I have the right to shoot a fleeing invader in the back. That makes no sense to me.
 
2012-04-12 11:32:05 AM
Wierd.

Bloombergs security detail is allowed to shoot people who have the intention of doing Bloomberg harm.......thats not self defense. Bloomberg could shoot his attacker, but I didn;t think you could shoot someone who had the intention of killing someone else.


We are a nation of laws mr mayor.
 
2012-04-12 11:32:18 AM
"New York Penal Law section 35.15 effectively ordains that: "A person may... use DEADLY physical force upon another person" "when and to the extent he reasonably believes such to be NECESSARY to defend himself or a third person from what he reasonably believes to be .... a kidnapping, forcible rape, forcible sodomy or ROBBERY; or (c) ... a burglary...." There is no duty to retreat under these circumstances. However, if one is "challenged" in a bar for a fight, accepting such challenge and using deadly force, instead of walking away, generally will not constitute a self defense."

Thanks Wiki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_self-defense
 
2012-04-12 11:32:31 AM

mr_bunny: My God that article is long and complex.

Does anyone have a link to a shorter one?


I can give you the cliff notes version: Mayor Bloomberg is an attention whore.
 
2012-04-12 11:33:38 AM

jeepman258: I'll take Bloomberg more seriously when his guards are forced to follow the same laws as the citizens of NYC. Besides the blatant hypocrisy, where does this guy get off trying to affect policy about anything outside the city he is mayor of?


This. Bloomberg can at least make a semi-plausible argument for restrictions on firearm sales in other states, but this? Mind your own farking business, Mayor Asshat.
 
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