Still vilifying being a full time wife and mother?

Good job, kids.

nopokerface: Still vilifying being a full time wife and mother?

I'm pretty sure Mitt's sex life consists of masturbating in a vault filled with gold coins.

MorrisBird: Ann Romney has multiple sclerosis and is a cancer survivor. She's married to a Mormon robot and raised five boys. She is not fair game. Neither is Michelle Obama. Back off. The War on Women is palpable and it needs to stop with the progressives. End of sermon.

She made herself fair game by getting involved. Nobody touched her until she decided to try to come in to bring back women, and she spouted a web of lies.

She's fair game and she apparently got hit hard last night.

Elvis_Bogart: this means that we can go after Michelle

You mean the champagne-chugging, lobster-chowing, fat-assed Michelle?

Go ahead, but try something original this time around.

James!: GAT_00: MorrisBird: Ann Romney has multiple sclerosis and is a cancer survivor. She's married to a Mormon robot and raised five boys. She is not fair game. Neither is Michelle Obama. Back off. The War on Women is palpable and it needs to stop with the progressives. End of sermon.

She made herself fair game by getting involved. Nobody touched her until she decided to try to come in to bring back women, and she spouted a web of lies.

She's fair game and she apparently got hit hard last night.

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If she hadn't decided to get involved in the campaign, I promise I would be denouncing anyone who went after her, but she clearly decided to play a role in the campaign. I'm not going to say someone who decided to become part of a campaign has free reign to lie all he or she wants.

And to the Michele comments, she hasn't been part of the campaign, she hasn't made campaign statements. If she does, then yes she's fair game. She's also been under constant attack for four years so that won't make a difference.

James!: If Mitt has to use his wife to connect to female voters because he's an emotionless robot it's a problem with Mitt, not Ann.

Because she's a poor, defenseless, little woman who is too fragile to be touched and possibly needs a fainting couch? Come on.

James!: cameroncrazy1984: James!: If Mitt has to use his wife to connect to female voters because he's an emotionless robot it's a problem with Mitt, not Ann.

Because she's a poor, defenseless, little woman who is too fragile to be touched and possibly needs a fainting couch? Come on.

Because she's not running for president and the fact that she's a housewife is totally irrelevant. You're no better than the republicans who crap on Michelle because she want's people to eat right.

Yes, that's it. Ann puts herself into the campaign but no, we can't point out her background without you working yourself into a frightful tizzy about it. It's crap and you know it.

getting people to eat healthy isn't political. Getting voters to support Mitt is. Learn the difference.

MorrisBird: cameroncrazy1984: Because she's a poor, defenseless, little woman who is too fragile to be touched and possibly needs a fainting couch? Come on.

Because she's a woman who raised 5 sons while suffering multiple sclerosis and overcoming cancer and married to an asshole. Would that I had her energy. She's not running for political office. Back the fark off.

But she did decide to mad Klee political statements for her husband's campaign. The fact that she has MS does not make her untouchable, I'm sorry. She got political. She's a big girl, she made her own decision. She can deal with criticism, I assume. I'm pretty sure MS didn't take away her cognitive ability.

Are you guys really saying that Michelle didn't make political statements on her husband's behalf when he was runnning?

James!: cameroncrazy1984: James!: cameroncrazy1984: James!: If Mitt has to use his wife to connect to female voters because he's an emotionless robot it's a problem with Mitt, not Ann.

Because she's a poor, defenseless, little woman who is too fragile to be touched and possibly needs a fainting couch? Come on.

Because she's not running for president and the fact that she's a housewife is totally irrelevant. You're no better than the republicans who crap on Michelle because she want's people to eat right.

Yes, that's it. Ann puts herself into the campaign but no, we can't point out her background without you working yourself into a frightful tizzy about it. It's crap and you know it.

getting people to eat healthy isn't political. Getting voters to support Mitt is. Learn the difference.

What does her being a housewife have to do with Mitt Romney being president? How about stay the fark out of people's personal lives? Is that too hard?

It ceased to become a personal life when she decided to become a part of Mitt's campaign.

MorrisBird: cameroncrazy1984: MorrisBird: cameroncrazy1984: Because she's a poor, defenseless, little woman who is too fragile to be touched and possibly needs a fainting couch? Come on.

Because she's a woman who raised 5 sons while suffering multiple sclerosis and overcoming cancer and married to an asshole. Would that I had her energy. She's not running for political office. Back the fark off.

But she did decide to mad Klee political statements for her husband's campaign. The fact that she has MS does not make her untouchable, I'm sorry. She got political. She's a big girl, she made her own decision. She can deal with criticism, I assume. I'm pretty sure MS didn't take away her cognitive ability.

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I'm pretty sure you're wrong. See linky, But, the point is that we are better than this.

If it has, then we should chastise the Romney campaign for using his sick wife in a political manner.

The DNC just said a stay at home mother of 5 has never worked a day in her life. Lol, thanks for that DNC, we here on the right appreciate you alienating the entire female sex. Pelase go on.

James!: cameroncrazy1984: It ceased to become a personal life when she decided to become a part of Mitt's campaign.

Nope, it's still her personal life.

Oh, okay. So then I assume you never talked about Newt and his...proclivities? Or are personal lives only okay for the political people who are the primary campaigners?

Satanic_Hamster: MorrisBird: cameroncrazy1984: Because she's a poor, defenseless, little woman who is too fragile to be touched and possibly needs a fainting couch? Come on.

Because she's a woman who raised 5 sons while suffering multiple sclerosis and overcoming cancer and married to an asshole. Would that I had her energy. She's not running for political office. Back the fark off.

But a legit criticism:
They're trying to create this narrative of a hard working stay at home mom who struggled to raise her kids just like the rest of the people.

However, what are the odds that she had maids, nannies, and cooks helping them out? T

Later on in life sure. They had their first kid while they were both college students living in a basement apartment.

That is what GOP men think is the role of wives and many of the women are of that mindset also so this is not likely to go real far.

//For a good LOL look up the GOP bill in Wisconsin to repeal the equal pay act and the sponsors logic, it tells the whole story.

nopokerface: Are you guys really saying that Michelle didn't make political statements on her husband's behalf when he was runnning?

Are you really saying that no one criticized Michelle's political statements on her husband's behalf when he was runnning?

Ann Romney doesn't consider herself to be wealthy. This is important.

Philip Francis Queeg: Are you really saying that no one criticized Michelle's political statements on her husband's behalf when he was runnning?

Nope. She was definitely criticized, sometimes rightly so. But, a couple posters upthread said that she was off limits because she hadn't been a part of the campaign and people only gave her grief over her healthy eating program. None of which is true.

cameroncrazy1984: James!: cameroncrazy1984: James!: cameroncrazy1984: James!: If Mitt has to use his wife to connect to female voters because he's an emotionless robot it's a problem with Mitt, not Ann.

Because she's a poor, defenseless, little woman who is too fragile to be touched and possibly needs a fainting couch? Come on.

Because she's not running for president and the fact that she's a housewife is totally irrelevant. You're no better than the republicans who crap on Michelle because she want's people to eat right.

Yes, that's it. Ann puts herself into the campaign but no, we can't point out her background without you working yourself into a frightful tizzy about it. It's crap and you know it.

getting people to eat healthy isn't political. Getting voters to support Mitt is. Learn the difference.

What does her being a housewife have to do with Mitt Romney being president? How about stay the fark out of people's personal lives? Is that too hard?

It ceased to become a personal life when she decided to become a part of Mitt's campaign.

Oh she's a public figure now, they can target her if they want to. But as pointed out, somebody raising five kids, fighting MS and cancer is not exactly the target you want to go after in a campaign.

MorrisBird: Ann Romney has multiple sclerosis and is a cancer survivor. She's married to a Mormon robot and raised five boys. She is not fair game. Neither is Michelle Obama. Back off. The War on Women is palpable and it needs to stop with the progressives. End of sermon.

THIS.

Done here.

Hey now, what's all this? You people obviously don't know how farking hard it is to sit on the couch all day, drinking whine and ordering servants around. Trying to watch the soaps, and the servants are so incompetent, they can't get the damn kids to shut-up for 10 minutes. It's a god damned nightmare.

transplendent: Ann Romney doesn't consider herself to be wealthy. This is important.

She really isn't. He is and I am sure if he dumped her he would do it Newt style and have a team of lawyers clean her clock.

Satanic_Hamster: EWreckedSean: Later on in life sure. They had their first kid while they were both college students living in a basement apartment.

A real rags to riches story, I'm sure. You know all those millionaires sons live hand to mouth during college.

His money is self-made, not from his father. Granted I'm sure his father opened lot's of doors for him.

Did anyone else RTFA? Rosen said Ann Romney had no business advising Mitt on women in the WORKPLACE because she's never had a job. Being a stay at home mom is a lot of work, but it is irrelevant to the WORKPLACE.

FTFA

"I have nothing against" Ann Romney, Rosen wrote on Twitter after her CNN appearance. "I just don't want Mitt using her as an expert on women struggling $ to support their family. She isn't."

Later directing her comments to Ann Romney, Rosen said: "Please know, I admire you. But your husband shouldn't say you are his expert on women and the economy."

/twitter spat
//whatever

CPennypacker: Did anyone else RTFA? Rosen said Ann Romney had no business advising Mitt on women in the WORKPLACE because she's never had a job. Being a stay at home mom is a lot of work, but it is irrelevant to the WORKPLACE.

She said that Ann Romney had never worked a day in her life. That's what is going to hurt.

nopokerface: CPennypacker: Did anyone else RTFA? Rosen said Ann Romney had no business advising Mitt on women in the WORKPLACE because she's never had a job. Being a stay at home mom is a lot of work, but it is irrelevant to the WORKPLACE.

She said that Ann Romney had never worked a day in her life. That's what is going to hurt.

She hasn't in any relevant way to the topic at hand. Republicans are becoming butthurt miners.

Oh come off it Libs. We all know that your perfumed Most Merciful One™ never once held a job of any kind before usurping the Presidency.

James!: You're no better than the republicans who crap on Michelle

Can we leave republican scheiße fantasies out of this?


/blech

nopokerface: CPennypacker: Did anyone else RTFA? Rosen said Ann Romney had no business advising Mitt on women in the WORKPLACE because she's never had a job. Being a stay at home mom is a lot of work, but it is irrelevant to the WORKPLACE.

She meant that Ann Romney had never worked at a paying job a day in her life. That's what is going to butthurt.

FTFY

Oh, Jesus Christ. Hilary "while heading the RIAA, helped get the DMCA passed but now regrets so" Rosen said something stupid?

I wish this woman would go away for good. Everything she touches goes bad.

CPennypacker: Did anyone else RTFA? Rosen said Ann Romney had no business advising Mitt on women in the WORKPLACE because she's never had a job. Being a stay at home mom is a lot of work, but it is irrelevant to the WORKPLACE.

I'm sorry, too many people were rushing to give Ann a fainting couch to actually understand the context of the remarks.

cameroncrazy1984: But she did decide to mad Klee political statements for her husband's campaign.

??

clancifer: Dancin_In_Anson: Hell of a strategery there GAT.

The strategy is the Romney campaign using her to soften the Republican image with women after their multi-front assault. She is open to criticism if putting herself out there for that reason.

So... in the Republican War on Women, Mitt is hiding behind the hostages?

Pants full of macaroni!!: cameroncrazy1984: But she did decide to mad Klee political statements for her husband's campaign.

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Sorry, I was posting from my phone and my autocorrect likes to play tricks on me.

"Well, first, can we just get rid of this word, 'war on women?' The Obama campaign does not use it, President Obama does not use it - this is something that the Republicans are accusing people of using, but they're actually the ones spreading it,"

This chick is waaaaay out there.....nevermind.

MorrisBird: Ann Romney has multiple sclerosis and is a cancer survivor. She's married to a Mormon robot and raised five boys. She is not fair game. Neither is Michelle Obama. Back off. The War on Women is palpable and it needs to stop with the progressives. End of sermon.

Ann Romney has taken on an active role in her husbands primary campaign and is by no means an innocent bystander. By injecting herself in the political discourse she has made herself part of the campaign game. Like it or not, that makes you a target like any other person who is up front and center of a political campaign.

Attacking someone for being a housewife is stupid and ignorant. Women have been expected to cook, clean, raise children, and cater to the Man of the House's needs, without independent compensation of their own, for centuries. It's damned hard work. My partner and I, who both have jobs, discussed this last night while grousing about finding time to get house chores and good cooking done. Mocking someone for being a housewife is, in and of itself, sexist and a reinforcement of the patriarchal mindset that leads people to oppose things like equal pay laws despite clear evidence that they're required.

Now, Ann Romney may be an outlier by virtue of having access to resources and wealth that 99.9% of women could only dream of having, but responding to a false statistic on economic gender issues by attacking the messenger's occupation is counterproductive. Go after the lack of jobs created by her "job creator" husband's company and ask why he isn't proposing relief or compensation for people who carry out the essential, difficult work of maintaining homes and raising kids (such as, say, nannies and cleaning staff, two occupations that tend to filled more by women, both as wives in patriarchal relationships and as workers).

I think part of the issue is this:

1. Romney needs to connect with working women (And in this I define working woman as "Holding down a job outside of the workplace, possibly being the primary bread winner in the household")

2. Romney has his wife make a few comments on working women.

3. People call her out on this because she has not worked outside of the home. There is also the undercurrent of "how hard could that be since she doesn't have to worry about a budget like most working mothers".

4. So there is some hypocrisy in play on both sides: Yes being a full time mother is hard work. I get the impression some of the things that make being a full time mother hard work was softened by having millions of dollars to work with for housing, food, extra staff, private schooling etc etc etc.

the progressives

the progressives

the progressives!

cameroncrazy1984: Learn the difference.

That first word starts with the same letter as Liberal and Left, and is therefore denigrated by conservatives these days.

/ And I used to be one.
// As Reagan said of the Democrats, I didn't leave the party so much as it left me.

Crabs_Can_Polevault: Mitt is hiding behind the hostages?

Religious people often do.

PlatinumDragon: Attacking someone for being a housewife is stupid and ignoran

Oh, please do tell me how much a career housewife knows about women in the workplace. Considering that the substance of her comments was about the workplace.

I'm sure you'll come up with something. I'll wait.

I wouldn't vote for Romney to keep my own head from exploding. However, if you think raising kids is not hard work, either you do not have kids or someone needs to dispatch DFACS to your home.

Ms. Rosen needs to limit herself to supporting Hilary Clinton and other people who will never be president.

cameroncrazy1984: PlatinumDragon: Attacking someone for being a housewife is stupid and ignoran

Oh, please do tell me how much a career housewife knows about women in the workplace. Considering that the substance of her comments was about the workplace.

I'm sure you'll come up with something. I'll wait.

Thanks for reading the rest of the comment before blowing your load. The attack itself hit the wrong target. Going after her access to wealth that the overwhelming majority of women, working in and outside of the home, don't have would have been a much cleaner and better response than "LOL housewife!"

Dr Dreidel: If Ann Romney is claiming she knows what it's like to be a woman in the workforce, it's entirely appropriate to point out her lack of firsthand experience in that arena

Yep.

For those morons who are so blinded by their hatred of all things non-Obama that they want to think this woman's spot-on, I'd remind you what HER work experience is, that gives her such a great perspective on things: RIAA lobbyist.

Lunaville: I wouldn't vote for Romney to keep my own head from exploding. However, if you think raising kids is not hard work, either you do not have kids or someone needs to dispatch DFACS to your home.

Raising kids IS hard work. But that does not give you an insight on the plight of women in the workplace, and that was exactly Rosen's point.

I really don't like when people say that mothers without jobs "have never worked".

But in the case of a lady who has probbaly never had to cleaned, gardened, or cook, I am ok with that statement.

imontheinternet: Women don't marry bland cardboard cutouts who make >$20 million a year to work for a living.

They met in highschool...

liam76: I really don't like when people say that mothers without jobs "have never worked".

But in the case of a lady who has probbaly never had to cleaned, gardened, or cook, I am ok with that statement.

Bigot much?

But she does her own laundry when she's in a hotel.

cameroncrazy1984: James!: cameroncrazy1984: It ceased to become a personal life when she decided to become a part of Mitt's campaign.

Nope, it's still her personal life.

Oh, okay. So then I assume you never talked about Newt and his...proclivities? Or are personal lives only okay for the political people who are the primary campaigners?

Are you drinking this morning? Newt is running for office. Yes, we talk about Newt and his proclivities. Newts' wives are not running for office. We do not talk about their proclivities. I don't even know what Newts' first wifes' name is ... nor do I care.

liam76: But in the case of a lady who has probbaly never had to cleaned, gardened, or cook

What if she spent all her time (between battling cancer and MS) teaching her five sons how to write? Then, she'd have worked more than somebody's mom that I can think of...

So, since it's obvious that this was in reference to workplace experience, and not that being a mother isn't hard, shouldn't she clarify her words, then claim anyone who uses her pre-clarified words is lying? Seems to placate those attacking her when Republicans do it.

/Just sayin...

Really? Is this what you are going with? So now the family is fair game. Jesus, just when I thought some liberals couldn't get any shallower, you farkers prove me wrong once again.

Garet Garrett: liam76: But in the case of a lady who has probbaly never had to cleaned, gardened, or cook

What if she spent all her time (between battling cancer and MS) teaching her five sons how to write? Then, she'd have worked more than somebody's mom that I can think of...

Can I attack your mom now too?

EWreckedSean: imontheinternet: Women don't marry bland cardboard cutouts who make >$20 million a year to work for a living.

They met in highschool...

Yep, when Mitt was the son of a wealthy, powerful man.

EWreckedSean: imontheinternet: Women don't marry bland cardboard cutouts who make >$20 million a year to work for a living.

They met in highschool...

I know I'm on ignore just like everyone else who shuts you down, but in case someone else quotes me, he was rich in high school too.

EWreckedSean: liam76: I really don't like when people say that mothers without jobs "have never worked".

But in the case of a lady who has probbaly never had to cleaned, gardened, or cook, I am ok with that statement.

Bigot much?

Only against obscenely wealthy women without jobs who pretend to understand the plight of the average working woman.

Does she know how to make bread?

If not, she's not a true Mormon mother and wife.

truthseeker2083: shouldn't she clarify her words

No, she should shut the fark up. The "hasn't worked a day in her life" bit makes for good theater, but her claim that the Dems aren't pushing the "War on Women" rhetoric, the GOP is, is an outright lie. There's no clarifying that. The supposed WoW is a staple of Dem fundraising and has been since l'affaire Rush. For her to deny that makes her the kind of bought and paid for media whore that you'd expect to find working for, oh, I don't know, the RIAA?

cameroncrazy1984: MorrisBird: cameroncrazy1984: Because she's a poor, defenseless, little woman who is too fragile to be touched and possibly needs a fainting couch? Come on.

Because she's a woman who raised 5 sons while suffering multiple sclerosis and overcoming cancer and married to an asshole. Would that I had her energy. She's not running for political office. Back the fark off.

But she did decide to mad Klee political statements for her husband's campaign. The fact that she has MS does not make her untouchable, I'm sorry. She got political. She's a big girl, she made her own decision. She can deal with criticism, I assume. I'm pretty sure MS didn't take away her cognitive ability.

So let's attack the woman in an anti-feminist manner. Yeah, that's the ticket.

/my best friend's mom growing up was a single mother with MS. farking heartbreaking.

PlatinumDragon: Garet Garrett: liam76: But in the case of a lady who has probbaly never had to cleaned, gardened, or cook

What if she spent all her time (between battling cancer and MS) teaching her five sons how to write? Then, she'd have worked more than somebody's mom that I can think of...

Can I attack your mom now too?

If you spell it correctly, you can write whatever pleases you.

jpo2269: Really? Is this what you are going with? So now the family is fair game. Jesus, just when I thought some liberals couldn't get any shallower, you farkers prove me wrong once again.

Now? I guess you weren't around for the Clinton Presidency when the right went after Chelsea.

As for this case, I really don't give a shait about Romney's wife or his family.

Elfich: I think part of the issue is this:

1. Romney needs to connect with working women (And in this I define working woman as "Holding down a job outside of the workplace, possibly being the primary bread winner in the household")

2. Romney has his wife make a few comments on working women.

3. People call her out on this because she has not worked outside of the home. There is also the undercurrent of "how hard could that be since she doesn't have to worry about a budget like most working mothers".

4. So there is some hypocrisy in play on both sides: Yes being a full time mother is hard work. I get the impression some of the things that make being a full time mother hard work was softened by having millions of dollars to work with for housing, food, extra staff, private schooling etc etc etc.

Yes, this statement is reasonable and well said.

The fact that Ann Romney has never been employed outside of the home and enjoys unusual economic plenty could have been addressed in a better, more thoughtful way. Instead, a comment was tossed out that could be interpreted as derogatory to any stay at home Mom.

Jackson Herring: liam76: I really don't like when people say that mothers without jobs "have never worked".

But in the case of a lady who has probbaly never had to cleaned, gardened, or cook, I am ok with that statement.

You just don't understand the struggles of a clownishly wealthy woman raising five boys in this cold indifferent world

Ah, libs. Simultaneously loving humanity and hating actual humans since 1917. Except when they hate humanity, too, as on Earth Day. Then they can live a blessed, conflict-free life of unfettered hatred.

MorrisBird: Ann Romney has multiple sclerosis and is a cancer survivor. She's married to a Mormon robot and raised five boys. She is not fair game. Neither is Michelle Obama. Back off. The War on Women is palpable and it needs to stop with the progressives. End of sermon.

QFT.

If she says something terrible/stupid, deal with what she said. Otherwise, STFU, assholes. Not cool.

Lunaville: a comment was tossed out that was premised on the idea that stay-at-home moms have no legitimate voice in economic matterscould be interpreted as derogatory to any stay at home Mom

FTFY. No use sugarcoating it. This woman put her foot in it, bigtime.

MorrisBird: cameroncrazy1984: Because she's a poor, defenseless, little woman who is too fragile to be touched and possibly needs a fainting couch? Come on.

Because she's a woman who raised 5 sons while suffering multiple sclerosis and overcoming cancer and married to an asshole. Would that I had her energy. She's not running for political office. Back the fark off.

THIS

I'm not a fan of the Romneys, and Ann Romney shouldn't speak as though she understands women who work outside the home--because she doesn't--but raising 5 boys is WORK. One weekend with my two nephews and I'm wiped out. She may be a lot of things, but lazy and weak she isn't.

CPennypacker: EWreckedSean: imontheinternet: Women don't marry bland cardboard cutouts who make >$20 million a year to work for a living.

They met in highschool...

I know I'm on ignore just like everyone else who shuts you down, but in case someone else quotes me, he was rich in high school too.

He doesn't put you on ignore. He sits back, waits until you call him an asshole, then acts like he's morally superior.

trivial use of my dark powers: MorrisBird: cameroncrazy1984: Because she's a poor, defenseless, little woman who is too fragile to be touched and possibly needs a fainting couch? Come on.

Because she's a woman who raised 5 sons while suffering multiple sclerosis and overcoming cancer and married to an asshole. Would that I had her energy. She's not running for political office. Back the fark off.

THIS

I'm not a fan of the Romneys, and Ann Romney shouldn't speak as though she understands women who work outside the home--because she doesn't--but raising 5 boys is WORK. One weekend with my two nephews and I'm wiped out. She may be a lot of things, but lazy and weak she isn't.

Nothing against Ann Romney, but do you really believe that people in her socioeconomic stratum raise their children by themselves without hired help?

thurstonxhowell: He doesn't put you on ignore. He sits back, waits until you call him an asshole, then acts like he's morally superior.

If you've made a fool out of him in the past you're probably on his ignore list. Which means he's not responding to 3/4 of regulars on the political tab by now.

Garet Garrett: Lunaville: a comment was tossed out that was premised on the idea that stay-at-home moms have no legitimate voice in economic matterscould be interpreted as derogatory to any stay at home Mom

FTFY. No use sugarcoating it. This woman put her foot in it, bigtime.

It was premised on the fact that stay-at-home moms (who were never in the workplace) have no voice on issues of women's pay in the workplace. It was phrased wrong, but that part is correct. That would be like me trying to speak for an Air Force pilot. I've never been one, I shouldn't try to speak for one.

liam76: EWreckedSean: liam76: I really don't like when people say that mothers without jobs "have never worked".

But in the case of a lady who has probbaly never had to cleaned, gardened, or cook, I am ok with that statement.

Bigot much?

Only against obscenely wealthy women without jobs who pretend to understand the plight of the average working woman.

Again, they had their first children while they were in college living in a basement apartment. Not exactly the mansion with people waiting on them hand and foot. But don't let reality come into the picture and ruin your bigotry.

Garet Garrett: Ah, libs. Simultaneously loving humanity and hating actual humans since 1917. Except when they hate humanity, too, as on Earth Day. Then they can live a blessed, conflict-free life of unfettered hatred

Thinking a woman who is obscenely wealthy and never had a job outside the house has no room to comment on the plight of working women makes me a lib?

It also means I hate humanity?

"I could not disagree with Hilary Rosen any more strongly," Obama campaign manager Jim Messina said in a tweet. "Her comments were wrong and family should be off-limits. She should apologize."

Obama advisor David Axelrod followed suit: "Also disappointed in Hilary Rosen's comments about Ann Romney. They were inappropriate and offensive."

The optics of having two guys chastise a woman for this might be a little bit off, but I agree completely.

Well I'll admonish Rosen for her comments, if only because they sound ripped from a Conservative playbook and I'm sure. as. shiat. not going to associate myself with Conservative rhetoric.

Also, FTFA: "Rosen, who has no role in the Obama campaign and supported Hillary Rodham Clinton in 2008"

...

"I could not disagree with Hilary Rosen any more strongly," Obama campaign manager Jim Messina said in a tweet. "Her comments were wrong and family should be off-limits. She should apologize."

Obama advisor David Axelrod followed suit: "Also disappointed in Hilary Rosen's comments about Ann Romney. They were inappropriate and offensive."

Stephanie Cutter, Obama's deputy campaign manager, replied to Messina's tweet by stating that "families must be off-limits on campaigns, and I personally believe stay-at-home moms work harder than most of us do."

LOL at those who will try to stick this on Obama in the coming days.

/To bad it might work....

thurstonxhowell: CPennypacker: EWreckedSean: imontheinternet: Women don't marry bland cardboard cutouts who make >$20 million a year to work for a living.

They met in highschool...

I know I'm on ignore just like everyone else who shuts you down, but in case someone else quotes me, he was rich in high school too.

He doesn't put you on ignore. He sits back, waits until you call him an asshole, then acts like he's morally superior.

I give everybody a chance. There are plenty of people on here I disagree with completely who can have conversations like adults. Dusk-You-n-Me, KiltedBastich, make me some tea, Mercutio74, RexTalionis and Serious Black I all have Favorited even though I completely disagree with them, because they can have a conversation like a grown up with people they disagree with. CPennypacker proved he couldn't, so I ignore him and move on.

I thought Republicans hated stay at home moms who drove Cadillacs to the grocery store and paid with taxpayer dollars?

someonelse: EWreckedSean: The DNC just said a stay at home mother of 5 has never worked a day in her life. Lol, thanks for that DNC, we here on the right appreciate you alienating the entire female sex. Pelase go on.

No, but you just said the DNC said it, and it's important to make that link, isn't it.

I don't understand your point? She is a representative of the DNC.

Fart_Machine: thurstonxhowell: He doesn't put you on ignore. He sits back, waits until you call him an asshole, then acts like he's morally superior.

If you've made a fool out of him in the past you're probably on his ignore list. Which means he's not responding to 3/4 of regulars on the political tab by now.

I thought I was on his list, too. Then I called him what he is and he came back acting like that's the only thing I said in the thread. It's a trap he uses.

liam76: Garet Garrett: Ah, libs. Simultaneously loving humanity and hating actual humans since 1917. Except when they hate humanity, too, as on Earth Day. Then they can live a blessed, conflict-free life of unfettered hatred

Thinking a woman who is obscenely wealthy and never had a job outside the house has no room to comment on the plight of working women makes me a lib?

It also means I hate humanity?

Holy shiat, someone calling liam76 a lib?

Christ, we're through the looking glass, people. The one on the other side of the first looking glass.

FTFA

"I could not disagree with Hilary Rosen any more strongly," Obama campaign manager Jim Messina said in a tweet. "Her comments were wrong and family should be off-limits. She should apologize."

Obama advisor David Axelrod followed suit: "Also disappointed in Hilary Rosen's comments about Ann Romney. They were inappropriate and offensive."

Stephanie Cutter, Obama's deputy campaign manager, replied to Messina's tweet by stating that "families must be off-limits on campaigns, and I personally believe stay-at-home moms work harder than most of us do."

That Ann Romney has never had to deal with workplace issues like bosses being assholes about time off due to kids, promoting men over women for various reasons, maternity leave interfering with a career advamcent and earning potential and the possibility she could loose her job and be unable to feed her family are valid criticisms on her ability to speak for working women. However Hilary Rosen's comments were very poorly worded and went way too far, the flat out rejection of those comments by the Obama campaign was the right thing to do.

I now look forward to the Romney campaign reciprocating when a pundit on the Right attacks Michelle.

thurstonxhowell: Fart_Machine: thurstonxhowell: He doesn't put you on ignore. He sits back, waits until you call him an asshole, then acts like he's morally superior.

If you've made a fool out of him in the past you're probably on his ignore list. Which means he's not responding to 3/4 of regulars on the political tab by now.

I thought I was on his list, too. Then I called him what he is and he came back acting like that's the only thing I said in the thread. It's a trap he uses.

Yes, I trap you guys into acting like little children. You got me figured out!

EWreckedSean: someonelse: EWreckedSean: The DNC just said a stay at home mother of 5 has never worked a day in her life. Lol, thanks for that DNC, we here on the right appreciate you alienating the entire female sex. Pelase go on.

No, but you just said the DNC said it, and it's important to make that link, isn't it.

I don't understand your point? She is a representative of the DNC.

Is she? Cursory googling turns up no evidence of that.

keylock71: Heh... Nothing is going to "soften" Romney's image with women.

He wants to see Roe vs Wade repealed.

He wants to get rid of Planned Parenthood.

He thinks whether a women can get contraceptives through her health insurance should be decided by her employer.

He had to take a few hours to decide if he supports fair pay for women.

No need to attack his wife... He's made it very clear which side he's on in the "War on Women".

You have to remember that just because R-Money says he supports something, doesn't really mean he really supports it. It just means he thought that was the most advantageous opinion for him to express at that time.

If (Norns forbid) he ever did get elected, there's no way he'd actually do any of those things; the public opinion backlash would massively overload his EGO.exe program and send steam shooting out his auditory receptors.

Giltric: The left has had their ueteruses scraped out so many times they don't understand the hard work that comes into play from being a mom.

I guess womans lib doesn't mean freedom and liberation, it means be a slave to the corporations and wearing your barren ueterus on your lapel like a flag pin.

I wonder if Hilary Rosens male equals in the campaign/advising president Obama are getting paid more the she is.

So any woman who doesn't stay in the kitchen is a slave to the corporations and being barren?

Keep farkin' that chicken.

Seems to me the "choice" to raise five kids is more of a choice when your husband is a brazillionaire. I don't know a whole lot of families that have that same choice. Their choice is we both work or we lose either our homes or our ability to eat.

I encourage the Democrats to continue pushing the "never worked a day in her life" angle.

Elvis_Bogart: GAT_00: She's fair game and she apparently got hit hard last night.

So...this means that we can go after Michelle without you guys pissing your pants? Or will you just scream RACISM! like usual?

Michelle Obama: Kids should eat healthier and be more active.
Conservatives: MOOchelle! First Wookie! OM NOM NOM

Ann Romney: Vote for my husband, he supports strong successful women, and I'm an example
Liberals: You've had a very sheltered life that most women in the country, can't even conceive of. Who are you to speak for them?

I think spouses and family should be off limits but it's insane to draw an equivalency here.

thurstonxhowell: EWreckedSean: someonelse: EWreckedSean: The DNC just said a stay at home mother of 5 has never worked a day in her life. Lol, thanks for that DNC, we here on the right appreciate you alienating the entire female sex. Pelase go on.

No, but you just said the DNC said it, and it's important to make that link, isn't it.

I don't understand your point? She is a representative of the DNC.

Is she? Cursory googling turns up no evidence of that.

Ann Romney Fights Back: Debuts on Twitter to Counter DNC Advisor's Insult (new window)

Stories I have seen have highlighted her connection to the DNC, and not just Fox News:

ABC News: Ann Romney Fights Back: Debuts on Twitter to Counter DNC Advisor's Insult

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/04/debuts-on-twitter-to-cou n ter-dnc-advisors-insult/

(Won't link for some reason)

cameroncrazy1984: PlatinumDragon: Attacking someone for being a housewife is stupid and ignoran

Oh, please do tell me how much a career housewife knows about women in the workplace. Considering that the substance of her comments was about the workplace.

I'm sure you'll come up with something. I'll wait.

As a female who has stayed home more than worked outside of the home, as a female who would desperately like to work again; I can tell you a few things about dealing with the workplace.

For instance, do you know that employers and potential employers really, really do not want to allow you three absences a quarter, totaling a minimum of twelve absences a year? Nor are they concerned that these scheduled absences are for visiting pediatric specialists.

You see, however pro-family the given company may claim to be, your supervisor didn't tell you to have kids. Your boss had no hand in your kids' ailments and feels no responsibility toward them. What s/he feels a responsibility for is the project assigned him/her. S/he needs a warm butt in a particular chair, in a particular cubicle now. If you can't have your butt in the chair when the company needs you, then they don't need you.

I know as a female, that job counselors don't even try to gloss over the importance of sex appeal when job hunting. They state flat out: dye your hair, wear make-up or wear more make-up. Buy a push-up bra. Sure we'd all love to live by idealistic principles, but the economy is down and lots of people are looking for the job you want. Get real.

Even with the dyed hair and two inches of make-up, there is no concealing your age. Remember our birth dates have to be listed as part of the process of verifying our citizenship, immigration status, and right to work. A few years ago, I attended a certificate course. I already had a college degree. Shortly thereafter I spotted an ad for "recent graduates only". I went in to apply. The person assigned to interview me wanted to dismiss me immediately because it had been more than a decade since I graduated college. I pointed out the certificate course completed in the field I was applying in. I was told "I think you know what 'recent graduates only' really means."

How many men dare not go gray for fear of never working again?

How many men even know how to find the pediatricians' office? My children each have a pediatrician that my husband has never met.

As a man, when was the last time a potential employer asked you point blank what your child care arrangements were?

When were you last told that you had to grow your hair out, shave your mustache, grow a mustache, shave your legs, wear make-up, upgrade your shoes, switch from glasses to contacts, or pad your jock strap to get a job?

How often have you missed work to care for family members? How often do you assume someone else (your mother, wife, a sister?) should be responsible for familial care taking?

When did a potential employer last pick-up your application paperwork, flip directly to the employment eligibility forms, look you in the eye, and say "Cameron, I see here that you're over 40. Can you articulate why you've decided to reenter the workforce at this stage of your life and why we should take a chance on you in particular?"

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Mercutio74: Seems to me the "choice" to raise five kids is more of a choice when your husband is a brazillionaire. I don't know a whole lot of families that have that same choice. Their choice is we both work or we lose either our homes or our ability to eat.

He wasn't a brazillionaire when they got married. Granted his family had money, but he worked as a nighttime security guard while at Stanford. That doesn't exactly scream dad left me a trust fund,

The Obama campaign was pretty quick to criticize Rosen's stupid comments. That's pretty telling. Beyond that, why should someone who was a shill for the RIAA and BP be taken seriously about anything? Where does CNN find these clowns?

padraig: Lunaville: I wouldn't vote for Romney to keep my own head from exploding. However, if you think raising kids is not hard work, either you do not have kids or someone needs to dispatch DFACS to your home.

Raising kids IS hard work. But that does not give you an insight on the plight of women in the workplace, and that was exactly Rosen's point.

Excuse me, I happen to have a bit of insight on the plight of women in the workplace as well as the plight of women trying to reenter the workplace.

Also, you can get on your knees and lick my fuzzy gray, fish-scented tw@t.

sweetmelissa31: Garet Garrett: Ah, libs. Simultaneously loving humanity and hating actual humans since 1917. Except when they hate humanity, too, as on Earth Day. Then they can live a blessed, conflict-free life of unfettered hatred.

We hated humanity wayyy before The Great Revolution. Remember the French Revolution? That was us. 30 Years War? Libs. Black Plague? Dims. Trojan War? Fartbama.



/Oblig

EWreckedSean: thurstonxhowell: EWreckedSean: someonelse: EWreckedSean: The DNC just said a stay at home mother of 5 has never worked a day in her life. Lol, thanks for that DNC, we here on the right appreciate you alienating the entire female sex. Pelase go on.

No, but you just said the DNC said it, and it's important to make that link, isn't it.

I don't understand your point? She is a representative of the DNC.

Is she? Cursory googling turns up no evidence of that.

Ann Romney Fights Back: Debuts on Twitter to Counter DNC Advisor's Insult (new window)

Stories I have seen have highlighted her connection to the DNC, and not just Fox News:

ABC News: Ann Romney Fights Back: Debuts on Twitter to Counter DNC Advisor's Insult

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/04/debuts-on-twitter-to-cou n ter-dnc-advisors-insult/

(Won't link for some reason)

Fair enough. I highly doubt the DNC would be OK with her saying that as their official representative, though. The Obama campaign certainly doesn't seem to like it.

This is what the dems are all about.
Typical.

Dealt with MS and cancer.

Would you dems be happy if she took a job away from someone who needed it a lot more than she did?


Let's see if 0bama calls her and expresses his support for her and disdain for the comments the way he did with Ms. Fluke.

Lunaville: cameroncrazy1984: PlatinumDragon: Attacking someone for being a housewife is stupid and ignoran

Oh, please do tell me how much a career housewife knows about women in the workplace. Considering that the substance of her comments was about the workplace.

I'm sure you'll come up with something. I'll wait.

As a female who has stayed home more than worked outside of the home, as a female who would desperately like to work again; I can tell you a few things about dealing with the workplace.

For instance, do you know that employers and potential employers really, really do not want to allow you three absences a quarter, totaling a minimum of twelve absences a year? Nor are they concerned that these scheduled absences are for visiting pediatric specialists.

You see, however pro-family the given company may claim to be, your supervisor didn't tell you to have kids. Your boss had no hand in your kids' ailments and feels no responsibility toward them. What s/he feels a responsibility for is the project assigned him/her. S/he needs a warm butt in a particular chair, in a particular cubicle now. If you can't have your butt in the chair when the company needs you, then they don't need you.

I know as a female, that job counselors don't even try to gloss over the importance of sex appeal when job hunting. They state flat out: dye your hair, wear make-up or wear more make-up. Buy a push-up bra. Sure we'd all love to live by idealistic principles, but the economy is down and lots of people are looking for the job you want. Get real.

Even with the dyed hair and two inches of make-up, there is no concealing your age. Remember our birth dates have to be listed as part of the process of verifying our citizenship, immigration status, and right to work. A few years ago, I attended a certificate course. I already had a college degree. Shortly thereafter I spotted an ad for "recent graduates only". I went in to apply. The person assigned to interview me wanted to dismiss me immediate ...

My mother quit working to raise her 4 kids. Was out of the work force other than volunteering at school for 25 years or so. She never finished her college degree because of raising a family. She's 65 now and a congressional liaison for NIST.

EWreckedSean: liam76: EWreckedSean: liam76: I really don't like when people say that mothers without jobs "have never worked".

But in the case of a lady who has probbaly never had to cleaned, gardened, or cook, I am ok with that statement.

Bigot much?

Only against obscenely wealthy women without jobs who pretend to understand the plight of the average working woman.

Again, they had their first children while they were in college living in a basement apartment. Not exactly the mansion with people waiting on them hand and foot. But don't let reality come into the picture and ruin your bigotry

Their first "child".

And he was still from a very wealthy family (she was at worst very well off), don't pretend like they were struggling.

In fact this highlights another difference between her experience and most other women. After she got knocked up her husband didn't have to drop out to get ajob. She didn't have to get a job to hlep him finish college. The lived of their parents money.

So once again, yes I am bigoted agaisnt people who try and pretend they experienced strguggles they haven't.

Giltric: The left has had their ueteruses scraped out so many times they don't understand the hard work that comes into play from being a mom.

I guess womans lib doesn't mean freedom and liberation, it means be a slave to the corporations and wearing your barren ueterus on your lapel like a flag pin.

I wonder if Hilary Rosens male equals in the campaign/advising president Obama are getting paid more the she is.

So women are basically baby incubators to you, huh? No surprise, there.

tenpoundsofcheese: This is what the dems are all about.
Typical.

Dealt with MS and cancer.

Would you dems be happy if she took a job away from someone who needed it a lot more than she did?


Let's see if 0bama calls her and expresses his support for her and disdain for the comments the way he did with Ms. Fluke.

Zero used for "O" in Obama.

DRINK!

And how did a comment about one woman (who was a stay-at-home mom and not in the workforce) become something about all mothers? Using that comment to counter the mountains of anti-woman legislation and commentary from the right seems to be a bit of a stretch. One comment about a single woman does not do away with the massive attack on all women of this country.

Philip Francis Queeg: nopokerface: Are you guys really saying that Michelle didn't make political statements on her husband's behalf when he was runnning?

Are you really saying that no one criticized Michelle's political statements on her husband's behalf when he was runnning?

Are you really saying that 0bama didn't tell people to "back off" from criticizing his wife and the libs her all agreed?

EWreckedSean: He wasn't a brazillionaire when they got married. Granted his family had money, but he worked as a nighttime security guard while at Stanford. That doesn't exactly scream dad left me a trust fund,

When he was a security guard, his first kid wouldn't be born for 5 years yet. When he did have his first son, his father was already a successful auto exec that was actually serving in Nixon's cabinet. I have a hard time believing that finances were any worry at all for the young couple. You think George would actually tell his married mormon son, who was happily procreating, that he's going to have to pay for law school by himself and while he's in college, he has to support his wife and quickly expanding family?

I guess you and I think about wealth differently. I count being given money by your parents as money that you have at your disposal.

EWreckedSean: someonelse: EWreckedSean: The DNC just said a stay at home mother of 5 has never worked a day in her life. Lol, thanks for that DNC, we here on the right appreciate you alienating the entire female sex. Pelase go on.

No, but you just said the DNC said it, and it's important to make that link, isn't it.

I don't understand your point? She is a representative of the DNC.

...funny how people deny this, but claim that Rush IS the RNC.

The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: FTFA

"I could not disagree with Hilary Rosen any more strongly," Obama campaign manager Jim Messina said in a tweet. "Her comments were wrong and family should be off-limits. She should apologize."

Obama advisor David Axelrod followed suit: "Also disappointed in Hilary Rosen's comments about Ann Romney. They were inappropriate and offensive."

Stephanie Cutter, Obama's deputy campaign manager, replied to Messina's tweet by stating that "families must be off-limits on campaigns, and I personally believe stay-at-home moms work harder than most of us do."

That Ann Romney has never had to deal with workplace issues like bosses being assholes about time off due to kids, promoting men over women for various reasons, maternity leave interfering with a career advamcent and earning potential and the possibility she could loose her job and be unable to feed her family are valid criticisms on her ability to speak for working women. However Hilary Rosen's comments were very poorly worded and went way too far, the flat out rejection of those comments by the Obama campaign was the right thing to do.

I now look forward to the Romney campaign reciprocating when a pundit on the Right attacks Michelle.

Why can't I be this reasonable? The above is what I should have written. Now, I'm depressed.

tenpoundsofcheese: This is what the dems are all about.
Typical.

Dealt with MS and cancer.

Would you dems be happy if she took a job away from someone who needed it a lot more than she did?


Let's see if 0bama calls her and expresses his support for her and disdain for the comments the way he did with Ms. Fluke.

I don't see anyone here giving her shiat for having cancer and MS. I see people arguing that she's out of touch with what it's like to raise a family in today's economy if you're middle class. Unless your point was that having cancer and MS grants you infallible brain function... is that your point?

MorrisBird: cameroncrazy1984: Because she's a poor, defenseless, little woman who is too fragile to be touched and possibly needs a fainting couch? Come on.

Because she's a woman who raised 5 sons while suffering multiple sclerosis and overcoming cancer and married to an asshole. Would that I had her energy. She's not running for political office. Back the fark off.

Wow, taking this quite personally, you are.

truthseeker2083: One comment about a single woman

Is that what you read? Because that's not what happened. She insulted all stay at home moms.

I do agree that this chick's opinion is of relatively low value.

truthseeker2083: And how did a comment about one woman (who was a stay-at-home mom and not in the workforce) become something about all mothers? Using that comment to counter the mountains of anti-woman legislation and commentary from the right seems to be a bit of a stretch. One comment about a single woman does not do away with the massive attack on all women of this country.

It may not, but it's not exactly a great thing to do when you're presenting your party as representing women in a "War on Women". This comment was uncalled for, but, worse than that, it was bad politics.

MorrisBird: Ann Romney has multiple sclerosis and is a cancer survivor. She's married to a Mormon robot and raised five boys. She is not fair game. Neither is Michelle Obama. Back off. The War on Women is palpable and it needs to stop with the progressives. End of sermon.

And her husband and his party continually supports the destruction and blockage of any government-sponsored program (from AHCA to Single Payer) that would make the lives of normal, middle-to-low class families suffering from the same diseases at least some portion as worry-free as her life is.

When she comes out and admits that folks at her level of income can more than afford to toss out a couple percentage points of income in order to provide the freedom from fear that she herself enjoys, I'll leave her be.

She *knows* how bad this stuff is and the only reason she's able to live her life like she does is wealth. If she can't imagine how it is for normal folk, shame on her.

Mercutio74: EWreckedSean: He wasn't a brazillionaire when they got married. Granted his family had money, but he worked as a nighttime security guard while at Stanford. That doesn't exactly scream dad left me a trust fund,

When he was a security guard, his first kid wouldn't be born for 5 years yet. When he did have his first son, his father was already a successful auto exec that was actually serving in Nixon's cabinet. I have a hard time believing that finances were any worry at all for the young couple. You think George would actually tell his married mormon son, who was happily procreating, that he's going to have to pay for law school by himself and while he's in college, he has to support his wife and quickly expanding family?

I guess you and I think about wealth differently. I count being given money by your parents as money that you have at your disposal.

You don't get it.

He lived in a basement. A BASEMENT!

That is the equivalent of them both working two full time jobs with a newborn.

EWreckedSean: Mercutio74: Seems to me the "choice" to raise five kids is more of a choice when your husband is a brazillionaire. I don't know a whole lot of families that have that same choice. Their choice is we both work or we lose either our homes or our ability to eat.

He wasn't a brazillionaire when they got married. Granted his family had money, but he worked as a nighttime security guard while at Stanford. That doesn't exactly scream dad left me a trust fund,

Actually, it was a high school job at one of his father's plants. It was literally his first job.

someonelse: EWreckedSean: someonelse: EWreckedSean: The DNC just said a stay at home mother of 5 has never worked a day in her life. Lol, thanks for that DNC, we here on the right appreciate you alienating the entire female sex. Pelase go on.

No, but you just said the DNC said it, and it's important to make that link, isn't it.

I don't understand your point? She is a representative of the DNC.

A DNC official sends word this morning that "Hilary Rosen is not an adviser to the DNC. Our contract for media services is exclusively with Anita Dunn."

Frankly I don't know what her connection is, but at best -- if you're being intellectually honest, that is -- at best she is a media consultant who has worked with lots of different people. Trying to turn her words into an official DNC statement is partisan idiocy. And you jumped at it.

The media is pushing the DNC connection, not me.

what_now: fark off.

Feminism means being able to choose to stay home and raise your kids and not hearing any shiat about it from ANYONE.

I would say family finances have way more to do with that choice than feminism. I know quite a few moms and some dads that would have love the opporunity to stay home for even say, the first 5 years of their kids' lives, but that choice isn't just about doing what you want or making some heroic "sacrifice" to either stop working or stop being a stay at home parent. These things are usually brought on be necessity.

So though it's great that Ann chose to stay home and raise the kids, if Ann had a different last name her story could be very different. And I'm not sure she realizes that.

Mercutio74: EWreckedSean: He wasn't a brazillionaire when they got married. Granted his family had money, but he worked as a nighttime security guard while at Stanford. That doesn't exactly scream dad left me a trust fund,

When he was a security guard, his first kid wouldn't be born for 5 years yet. When he did have his first son, his father was already a successful auto exec that was actually serving in Nixon's cabinet.

What people seem to forget is that 40 years ago, successful auto execs were not raking in millions of dollars. More were people who served on cabinets leaving and making millions as a lobbyest

Of course they were wealthy compared to others, but not anywhere near what a similar family would be today.

I have a hard time believing that finances were any worry at all for the young couple. You think George would actually tell his married mormon son, who was happily procreating, that he's going to have to pay for law school by himself and while he's in college, he has to support his wife and quickly expanding family?

by and large, if that is what their religion says, then more likely than not. Not to say he didn't get any money, but probably not "i don't have to work anymore" money

I guess you and I think about wealth differently. I count being given money by your parents as money that you have at your disposal.

We know that the dad was a big church participant, so take 10-20% off the top.

what_now: fark off.

Feminism means being able to choose to stay home and raise your kids and not hearing any shiat about it from ANYONE.

She wasn't hearing shiat about being a stay at home mom. She was hearing shiat for trying to speak about the struggle of working women and the economy.

nopokerface: truthseeker2083: One comment about a single woman

Is that what you read? Because that's not what happened. She insulted all stay at home moms.

I do agree that this chick's opinion is of relatively low value.

That is what I read. She may have phrased it where it insulted all stay-at-home moms, but it was directed at Romney. When you don't jump to concluaions but look at the whole picture of why she said what she said, you can see that a rich woman who has never had a job doesn't understand what it's like for women having to raise their kids while working two jobs just to make ends meet. Was it stupid to say? Yes. Was the statement true about the person it was directed at? Yes. Once democrats and liberals start trying to pass laws restricting women's access to legal medical practices, once they start comparing them to farm animals (as by a GA Republican IIRC), and the like, then the right wing will have a valid claim of the left being anti-women. Until then, this is them trying to take the focus off of all the crap they've pulled in just the past few months.

EWreckedSean: someonelse: EWreckedSean: someonelse: EWreckedSean: The DNC just said a stay at home mother of 5 has never worked a day in her life. Lol, thanks for that DNC, we here on the right appreciate you alienating the entire female sex. Pelase go on.

No, but you just said the DNC said it, and it's important to make that link, isn't it.

I don't understand your point? She is a representative of the DNC.

A DNC official sends word this morning that "Hilary Rosen is not an adviser to the DNC. Our contract for media services is exclusively with Anita Dunn."

Frankly I don't know what her connection is, but at best -- if you're being intellectually honest, that is -- at best she is a media consultant who has worked with lots of different people. Trying to turn her words into an official DNC statement is partisan idiocy. And you jumped at it.

The media is pushing the DNC connection, not me.

EWreckedSean: She is a representative of the DNC.

There is nothing more discraceful in this world than a woman deciding not to work so she can stay home and raise her kids.

tenpoundsofcheese: Mercutio74: EWreckedSean: He wasn't a brazillionaire when they got married. Granted his family had money, but he worked as a nighttime security guard while at Stanford. That doesn't exactly scream dad left me a trust fund,

When he was a security guard, his first kid wouldn't be born for 5 years yet. When he did have his first son, his father was already a successful auto exec that was actually serving in Nixon's cabinet.

What people seem to forget is that 40 years ago, successful auto execs were not raking in millions of dollars. More were people who served on cabinets leaving and making millions as a lobbyest

Of course they were wealthy compared to others, but not anywhere near what a similar family would be today.

I have a hard time believing that finances were any worry at all for the young couple. You think George would actually tell his married mormon son, who was happily procreating, that he's going to have to pay for law school by himself and while he's in college, he has to support his wife and quickly expanding family?

by and large, if that is what their religion says, then more likely than not. Not to say he didn't get any money, but probably not "i don't have to work anymore" money

I guess you and I think about wealth differently. I count being given money by your parents as money that you have at your disposal.

We know that the dad was a big church participant, so take 10-20% off the top.

Alright then, so how much was George worth around the time Willard had his first kid?

Mercutio74: EWreckedSean: He wasn't a brazillionaire when they got married. Granted his family had money, but he worked as a nighttime security guard while at Stanford. That doesn't exactly scream dad left me a trust fund,

When he was a security guard, his first kid wouldn't be born for 5 years yet. When he did have his first son, his father was already a successful auto exec that was actually serving in Nixon's cabinet. I have a hard time believing that finances were any worry at all for the young couple. You think George would actually tell his married mormon son, who was happily procreating, that he's going to have to pay for law school by himself and while he's in college, he has to support his wife and quickly expanding family?

I guess you and I think about wealth differently. I count being given money by your parents as money that you have at your disposal.

I don't know. Frankly I don't think you do either. We are speculating. Their lifestyle didn't scream we are loaded though. They were both going to school full time and raising a children (they had 2 while he was in school at least). I agree, they obviously weren't destitute. But the idea that she sat around on a couch while servants raised the kids is what is being painted, and that's obviously not true, especially when they got married and had their first children. And to suggest once they had money of their own, she didn't work her ass off to raise her children is nothing but class envy. It doesn't really go along what so ever with the mormon lifestyle they lived.

MFL: There is nothing more discraceful in this world than a woman deciding not to work so she can stay home and raise her kids.

Sure there is, a woman wanting to do it but finding it impossible to do so because of the cost of living. That's more disgraceful.

liam76: Mercutio74: EWreckedSean: He wasn't a brazillionaire when they got married. Granted his family had money, but he worked as a nighttime security guard while at Stanford. That doesn't exactly scream dad left me a trust fund,

When he was a security guard, his first kid wouldn't be born for 5 years yet. When he did have his first son, his father was already a successful auto exec that was actually serving in Nixon's cabinet. I have a hard time believing that finances were any worry at all for the young couple. You think George would actually tell his married mormon son, who was happily procreating, that he's going to have to pay for law school by himself and while he's in college, he has to support his wife and quickly expanding family?

I guess you and I think about wealth differently. I count being given money by your parents as money that you have at your disposal.

You don't get it.

He lived in a basement. A BASEMENT!

That is the equivalent of them both working two full time jobs with a newborn.

It doesn't scream "We're loaded!" either now does it? Must have been tough getting the maids in servants all to fit in that basement apartment.

EWreckedSean: thurstonxhowell: CPennypacker: EWreckedSean: imontheinternet: Women don't marry bland cardboard cutouts who make >$20 million a year to work for a living.

They met in highschool...

I know I'm on ignore just like everyone else who shuts you down, but in case someone else quotes me, he was rich in high school too.

He doesn't put you on ignore. He sits back, waits until you call him an asshole, then acts like he's morally superior.

I give everybody a chance. There are plenty of people on here I disagree with completely who can have conversations like adults. Dusk-You-n-Me, KiltedBastich, make me some tea, Mercutio74, RexTalionis and Serious Black I all have Favorited even though I completely disagree with them, because they can have a conversation like a grown up with people they disagree with. CPennypacker proved he couldn't, so I ignore him and move on.

I'm crushed

liam76: what_now: fark off.

Feminism means being able to choose to stay home and raise your kids and not hearing any shiat about it from ANYONE.

She wasn't hearing shiat about being a stay at home mom. She was hearing shiat for trying to speak about the struggle of working women and the economy.


Damn. I'm not sure what's gotten into you but I like it.

So this whole "controversy" is because there are two different definitions for "work", and twitter is a lousy medium for expressing nuanced thoughts or putting things in context.

Oh noes.

/Stay-at-home mom is not an expert at being a working mom.
//Funny enough, Anne's next tweet was a plug for her appearance on Fox News, saying, "All moms are entitled to choose their path." Sounds like Anne is a feminist. Good for her.

Mercutio74: tenpoundsofcheese: Mercutio74: EWreckedSean: He wasn't a brazillionaire when they got married. Granted his family had money, but he worked as a nighttime security guard while at Stanford. That doesn't exactly scream dad left me a trust fund,

When he was a security guard, his first kid wouldn't be born for 5 years yet. When he did have his first son, his father was already a successful auto exec that was actually serving in Nixon's cabinet.

What people seem to forget is that 40 years ago, successful auto execs were not raking in millions of dollars. More were people who served on cabinets leaving and making millions as a lobbyest

Of course they were wealthy compared to others, but not anywhere near what a similar family would be today.

I have a hard time believing that finances were any worry at all for the young couple. You think George would actually tell his married mormon son, who was happily procreating, that he's going to have to pay for law school by himself and while he's in college, he has to support his wife and quickly expanding family?

by and large, if that is what their religion says, then more likely than not. Not to say he didn't get any money, but probably not "i don't have to work anymore" money

I guess you and I think about wealth differently. I count being given money by your parents as money that you have at your disposal.

We know that the dad was a big church participant, so take 10-20% off the top.

Alright then, so how much was George worth around the time Willard had his first kid?

Does it matter? I haven't seen anything that suggests his father gave him any significant amount of money. He obviously wasn't living like a millionaire.

Subby needs to look up the difference between stay at home mother and Trophy Wife. Something tells me Ann had a little help around the house.

EWreckedSean: liam76: Mercutio74: EWreckedSean: He wasn't a brazillionaire when they got married. Granted his family had money, but he worked as a nighttime security guard while at Stanford. That doesn't exactly scream dad left me a trust fund,

When he was a security guard, his first kid wouldn't be born for 5 years yet. When he did have his first son, his father was already a successful auto exec that was actually serving in Nixon's cabinet. I have a hard time believing that finances were any worry at all for the young couple. You think George would actually tell his married mormon son, who was happily procreating, that he's going to have to pay for law school by himself and while he's in college, he has to support his wife and quickly expanding family?

I guess you and I think about wealth differently. I count being given money by your parents as money that you have at your disposal.

You don't get it.

He lived in a basement. A BASEMENT!

That is the equivalent of them both working two full time jobs with a newborn.

It doesn't scream "We're loaded!" either now does it? Must have been tough getting the maids in servants all to fit in that basement apartment.

That is exactly what it screams. They had enough money to take care of three peopel and send two to college without working.

EWreckedSean: I don't know. Frankly I don't think you do either. We are speculating. Their lifestyle didn't scream we are loaded though. They were both going to school full time and raising a children (they had 2 while he was in school at least). I agree, they obviously weren't destitute. But the idea that she sat around on a couch while servants raised the kids is what is being painted, and that's obviously not true, especially when they got married and had their first children. And to suggest once they had money of their own, she didn't work her ass off to raise her children is nothing but class envy. It doesn't really go along what so ever with the mormon lifestyle they lived.

I think it's pretty safe to say that if you are a CEO of gigantic corporation, you're making a fair amount of money. And no one's sayiing that raising kids is easy... those of us with kids know even one can give you a lot to handle. The problem that I have with Ann Romney's comment is not that she's lazy. It's that she has a very skewed perspective of the realities of middle class existence because she and Willard were never faced with not having enough money to do exactly what they wanted. There's nothing even wrong with having those resources, I wish I did... the real issue is that her shelter life has left her too myopic to even understand what concerns motivate the average person.

Mitt has the exact same problem... he comes off as an automaton specifically because he doesn't share very much in common with the lives of other Americans and doesn't have the charm that Bush had to help hide that fact.

EWreckedSean: Does it matter? I haven't seen anything that suggests his father gave him any significant amount of money. He obviously wasn't living like a millionaire.

He paid for him to go to law school. And somehow the family magically survived him not being able to work full time during those years. The money must have come from somewhere.

MorrisBird: Elvis_Bogart: GAT_00: She's fair game and she apparently got hit hard last night.

So...this means that we can go after Michelle without you guys pissing your pants? Or will you just scream RACISM! like usual?

No, this means GAT__00 is an 8 year old who needs some discipline. I'm not his mother, I'm a progressive with morals.

A progessive with morals? Is that like Jumbo Shrimp?

Mercutio74: tenpoundsofcheese: Mercutio74: EWreckedSean: He wasn't a brazillionaire when they got married. Granted his family had money, but he worked as a nighttime security guard while at Stanford. That doesn't exactly scream dad left me a trust fund,

When he was a security guard, his first kid wouldn't be born for 5 years yet. When he did have his first son, his father was already a successful auto exec that was actually serving in Nixon's cabinet.

What people seem to forget is that 40 years ago, successful auto execs were not raking in millions of dollars. More were people who served on cabinets leaving and making millions as a lobbyest

Of course they were wealthy compared to others, but not anywhere near what a similar family would be today.

I have a hard time believing that finances were any worry at all for the young couple. You think George would actually tell his married mormon son, who was happily procreating, that he's going to have to pay for law school by himself and while he's in college, he has to support his wife and quickly expanding family?

by and large, if that is what their religion says, then more likely than not. Not to say he didn't get any money, but probably not "i don't have to work anymore" money

I guess you and I think about wealth differently. I count being given money by your parents as money that you have at your disposal.

We know that the dad was a big church participant, so take 10-20% off the top.

Alright then, so how much was George worth around the time Willard had his first kid?

I have no idea.
I seem to remember that the marginal tax rates were pretty high back then and stock options weren't used much.

What were the marginal rates back then? Were $1M salaries common?

Nor do I know if his dad disliked rebellious his son and wouldn't give him a dime.
Nor do I know if his dad believed in Mormon bootstrappyness and felt that Mitt shouldn't get much money and the church should get more.

The right wants to paint this as the left hating stay-at-home moms, about hating the rich, about whatever. It's about a woman who hasn't had to deal with being a mother and having a job outside of the home trying to say she knows what it's like. She doesn't. Again, it's like me trying to speak for all the Air Force pilots out there. I would be called out on it, because I have never been one.

You know who else never held a real job?

Mercutio74: EWreckedSean: Does it matter? I haven't seen anything that suggests his father gave him any significant amount of money. He obviously wasn't living like a millionaire.

He paid for him to go to law school. And somehow the family magically survived him not being able to work full time during those years. The money must have come from somewhere.

Fair enough. But again I don't see anything that suggest it was significant. Paying for your kid to go to school and have an apartment is excessive.

MorrisBird: She is not fair game. Neither is Michelle Obama. Back off.

This

ginandbacon: Yeah, I'm pretty sure attacking Ann Romney isn't a good idea nor is it in good taste.

Double This

ourbigdumbmouth: Raising 5 white kids is a ton of work.

OH FARK YES THIS!

I have a two year old and a three month old. Since mom works two nights a week and Saturdays, I get to play single daddy for those few hours. I have no idea how my wife handles them for the rest of the time. And the thought of trying to take care of five of them at once blows my mind. Yes, raising kids is work. It's hard work. And before I had kids I had no idea how hard.

MorrisBird: Elvis_Bogart: GAT_00: She's fair game and she apparently got hit hard last night.

So...this means that we can go after Michelle without you guys pissing your pants? Or will you just scream RACISM! like usual?

No, this means GAT__00 is an 8 year old who needs some discipline. I'm not his mother, I'm a progressive with morals.

This

There's no need to be pursuing this. It's not helping any.

tenpoundsofcheese: I have no idea.
I seem to remember that the marginal tax rates were pretty high back then and stock options weren't used much.

What were the marginal rates back then? Were $1M salaries common?

Nor do I know if his dad disliked rebellious his son and wouldn't give him a dime.
Nor do I know if his dad believed in Mormon bootstrappyness and felt that Mitt shouldn't get much money and the church should get more.

I see... so your point was entirely speculation and now you're realized it. As soon as anyone asked even a surface question, it crumbles.

EWreckedSean: Does it matter? I haven't seen anything that suggests his father gave him any significant amount of money. He obviously wasn't living like a millionaire

Could you have paid for college for yourself, your wife and had enough money to pay for a baby without a job at college?

Because, to me, that sounds like a significant amount of money.

Don't know which parents it came from but someone was giving them a nice chunk of change.

And honestly, good for them. I had to pay for college myself, it sucked. But I get pissed off whent hey pretend they went through the same crap.

this is just like Romney talking abtou being afraid of a pink slip.

Mercutio74
Sure there is, a woman wanting to do it but finding it impossible to do so because of the cost of living. That's more disgraceful.

Exactly.

That's why this president needs to do the country a favor and leave after one term so he can move on to bigger and better things like finishing episode III of his memior trilogy.

someonelse: EWreckedSean: The media is pushing the DNC connection, not me.

You said, "The DNC just said a stay at home mother of 5 has never worked a day in her life." Despite the reported DNC connection, it takes a special brand of partisan hackery to pretend her statement was an official DNC statement.

ABC Headline: Ann Romney Fights Back: Debuts on Twitter to Counter DNC Advisor's Insult

It takes a special kind of partisan hackery to take what is being plastered across news sites and try to make it into me making it about me.

MFL: There is nothing more discraceful in this world than a woman deciding not to work so she can stay home and raise her kids.

I heard she even baked cookies. What a horrible woman this is.

How many of those arguing that Ann Romney works very hard have argued in the past that all the welfare mothers should get off their duffs and work?

/Guessing about 80%
//Hypocrisy always makes me smile

"On a day when Obama's and Mitt Romney's campaigns battled furiously over whose policies would be more beneficial to women in the workplace, Ann Romney entered the Twittersphere for the first time to respond to comments by Democratic strategist Hilary Rosen, who suggested during a CNN interview that Romney should not be consulting his wife about the plight of women in the workplace."

In response, the Romney campaign has empaneled a group of 8 single men to advise him on women in the workplace issues.

tuckeg: How many of those arguing that Ann Romney works very hard have argued in the past that all the welfare mothers should get off their duffs and work?

/Guessing about 80%
//Hypocrisy always makes me smile

wait, she was on welfare too?? THIS IS AN OUTRAGE

Mercutio74: EWreckedSean: I don't know. Frankly I don't think you do either. We are speculating. Their lifestyle didn't scream we are loaded though. They were both going to school full time and raising a children (they had 2 while he was in school at least). I agree, they obviously weren't destitute. But the idea that she sat around on a couch while servants raised the kids is what is being painted, and that's obviously not true, especially when they got married and had their first children. And to suggest once they had money of their own, she didn't work her ass off to raise her children is nothing but class envy. It doesn't really go along what so ever with the mormon lifestyle they lived.

I think it's pretty safe to say that if you are a CEO of gigantic corporation, you're making a fair amount of money. And no one's sayiing that raising kids is easy... those of us with kids know even one can give you a lot to handle. The problem that I have with Ann Romney's comment is not that she's lazy. It's that she has a very skewed perspective of the realities of middle class existence because she and Willard were never faced with not having enough money to do exactly what they wanted. There's nothing even wrong with having those resources, I wish I did... the real issue is that her shelter life has left her too myopic to even understand what concerns motivate the average person.

Mitt has the exact same problem... he comes off as an automaton specifically because he doesn't share very much in common with the lives of other Americans and doesn't have the charm that Bush had to help hide that fact.

THIS,. While family is never fair game in an election, Rmoney's wife's statement isn't helping. The first thing I thought of: "It must be nice to be able to BE a stay at home mom".

EWreckedSean: Fair enough. But again I don't see anything that suggest it was significant. Paying for your kid to go to school and have an apartment is excessive.

Here's what's significant. It happened. When Ann and Mitt made the choice that he'd go get educated and work, and that she'd raise the kids finances didn't figure into it. Do you know what usually happens to young married people when they're about to embark on their post grad degree and they suddenly have a kid or two? They usually start looking for paying work immediately. It was a choice to the Romney's because Willard and Ann's parents had cash. If their parents were middle class, things would have been hugely different.

liam76: EWreckedSean: Does it matter? I haven't seen anything that suggests his father gave him any significant amount of money. He obviously wasn't living like a millionaire

Could you have paid for college for yourself, your wife and had enough money to pay for a baby without a job at college?

Because, to me, that sounds like a significant amount of money.

Don't know which parents it came from but someone was giving them a nice chunk of change.

And honestly, good for them. I had to pay for college myself, it sucked. But I get pissed off whent hey pretend they went through the same crap.

this is just like Romney talking abtou being afraid of a pink slip.

Nope, I worked two jobs to pay for my college. That aside, I still don't see how going to school full time and raising a child means it wasn't hard work because the apartment and school tab was picked up by somebody's father. I get it, they obviously had advantages, but it is hardly the sitting around on the couch eating bon bon's while the nanny raises the kids picture that is being painted.

tuckeg: How many of those arguing that Ann Romney works very hard have argued in the past that all the welfare mothers should get off their duffs and work?

/Guessing about 80%
//Hypocrisy always makes me smile

Does money from your paycheck go to support the Ann Romneys of the world? Do the Ann Romneys of the world have more children they can't afford so their check is bigger? Try comparing Apples to Apples, not Apples to Orangatans.

badaboom: Does money from your paycheck go to support the Ann Romneys of the world? Do the Ann Romneys of the world have more children they can't afford so their check is bigger? Try comparing Apples to Apples, not Apples to Orangatans.

forget about Ann Romneys, does anyone do that?

When Ann Romney took an active part in her husband's campaign she made herself a target. She went public, and now she's getting public responses to her lunacy.

/She can't have it both ways.
//Sown = reaped.
///She should have stayed in the kitchen.

Mercutio74: EWreckedSean: Fair enough. But again I don't see anything that suggest it was significant. Paying for your kid to go to school and have an apartment is excessive.

Here's what's significant. It happened. When Ann and Mitt made the choice that he'd go get educated and work, and that she'd raise the kids finances didn't figure into it. Do you know what usually happens to young married people when they're about to embark on their post grad degree and they suddenly have a kid or two? They usually start looking for paying work immediately. It was a choice to the Romney's because Willard and Ann's parents had cash. If their parents were middle class, things would have been hugely different.

Fair enough, they had advantages. That doesn't mean they don't know and didn't work hard.

badaboom: tuckeg: How many of those arguing that Ann Romney works very hard have argued in the past that all the welfare mothers should get off their duffs and work?

/Guessing about 80%
//Hypocrisy always makes me smile

Does money from your paycheck go to support the Ann Romneys of the world? Do the Ann Romneys of the world have more children they can't afford so their check is bigger? Try comparing Apples to Apples, not Apples to Orangatans.

And... ignored you racist piece of poo.

Ronmey supporters have done an excellent job of confuing the issue. This isn't about whether raising kids is hard. The question is, how can Ann Romney speak to the struggles of the average working mother when she has never worked a day in her life. We all know that "work" meant holding a job which gave her a paycheck that she could not go without. When we start talking about the plight of the stay-at-home mom, I'd love to hear her thoughts. Until then...

skullkrusher: badaboom: Does money from your paycheck go to support the Ann Romneys of the world? Do the Ann Romneys of the world have more children they can't afford so their check is bigger? Try comparing Apples to Apples, not Apples to Orangatans.

forget about Ann Romneys, does anyone do that?

Unfortunately yes. Although it is less common after the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Act ended permanent welfare.

EWreckedSean: Fair enough, they had advantages. That doesn't mean they don't know and didn't work hard.

Damn you and your reasonable assertions... where'd that 4.5 kilos of cheese guy go?

Mercutio74: EWreckedSean: Fair enough. But again I don't see anything that suggest it was significant. Paying for your kid to go to school and have an apartment is excessive.

Here's what's significant. It happened. When Ann and Mitt made the choice that he'd go get educated and work, and that she'd raise the kids finances didn't figure into it. Do you know what usually happens to young married people when they're about to embark on their post grad degree and they suddenly have a kid or two? They usually start looking for paying work immediately. It was a choice to the Romney's because Willard and Ann's parents had cash. If their parents were middle class, things would have been hugely different.

My in-laws are self-made millionaires. My mother-in-law worked to help pay for my father-in-law's law school. After he graduated and got a job, she quit work and they had kids. That's how it works for most people in this sort of situation. Mitt and Ann didn't have to do it that way.

So people can only have an opinion on things they have actually participated in, observation and analysis count for nothing.

Shut it down, Drew. It's over.

truthseeker2083: badaboom: tuckeg: How many of those arguing that Ann Romney works very hard have argued in the past that all the welfare mothers should get off their duffs and work?

/Guessing about 80%
//Hypocrisy always makes me smile

Does money from your paycheck go to support the Ann Romneys of the world? Do the Ann Romneys of the world have more children they can't afford so their check is bigger? Try comparing Apples to Apples, not Apples to Orangatans.

And... ignored you racist piece of poo.

You are the racist if you read anything into what I said. Fact is most welfare receipiants are white. Please point to where I mention anything about race.

EWreckedSean: skullkrusher: badaboom: Does money from your paycheck go to support the Ann Romneys of the world? Do the Ann Romneys of the world have more children they can't afford so their check is bigger? Try comparing Apples to Apples, not Apples to Orangatans.

forget about Ann Romneys, does anyone do that?

Unfortunately yes. Although it is less common after the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Act ended permanent welfare.

I find it very hard to believe that anyone has kids to increase their welfare payments. Kids cost a lot more than the increase in the dole you get. Might a few dummies failed to do the math right and thought they could breed their way to cash? Probably. Exception and not the rule, however.

Mercutio74: EWreckedSean: Fair enough, they had advantages. That doesn't mean they don't know and didn't work hard.

Damn you and your reasonable assertions... where'd that 4.5 kilos of cheese guy go?

He's a little clogged up right now, what with all the cheese...

badaboom
You know who else never held a real job?

That may have well been the greatest post in the history of the interent.

truthseeker2083: badaboom: tuckeg: How many of those arguing that Ann Romney works very hard have argued in the past that all the welfare mothers should get off their duffs and work?

/Guessing about 80%
//Hypocrisy always makes me smile

Does money from your paycheck go to support the Ann Romneys of the world? Do the Ann Romneys of the world have more children they can't afford so their check is bigger? Try comparing Apples to Apples, not Apples to Orangatans.

And... ignored you racist piece of poo.

seriously?

DROxINxTHExWIND

You think she's never worked a day in her life?

If were going to say that Ann Romney doesn't understand the day to day struggles of working class women, then please tell me which spouse of a presidential candidate, over the last 30 years, is qualified to talk about the issue. I don't think there are any.

sweetmelissa31: skullkrusher: Ann Romney entered the Twittersphere

Twittersphere is a word :(

there's a lot of bad shiat being added to our collective vocabularies. I hate the internet

skullkrusher: badaboom: Does money from your paycheck go to support the Ann Romneys of the world? Do the Ann Romneys of the world have more children they can't afford so their check is bigger? Try comparing Apples to Apples, not Apples to Orangatans.

forget about Ann Romneys, does anyone do that?

I think he's saying that black people do that. Of course, if raising kids is suddenly exactly like getting a job, then we all need to re-evaluate how we speak about welfare moms. They're the hardest working people in the country according to Republicans.

EWreckedSean: someonelse: EWreckedSean: The media is pushing the DNC connection, not me.

You said, "The DNC just said a stay at home mother of 5 has never worked a day in her life." Despite the reported DNC connection, it takes a special brand of partisan hackery to pretend her statement was an official DNC statement.

ABC Headline: Ann Romney Fights Back: Debuts on Twitter to Counter DNC Advisor's Insult

It takes a special kind of partisan hackery to take what is being plastered across news sites and try to make it into me making it about me.

You're the one in the thread saying it, so you're the one in the thread who gets corrected. This is not rocket surgery.

DROxINxTHExWIND: Ronmey supporters have done an excellent job of confuing the issue. This isn't about whether raising kids is hard. The question is, how can Ann Romney speak to the struggles of the average working mother when she has never worked a day in her life. We all know that "work" meant holding a job which gave her a paycheck that she could not go without. When we start talking about the plight of the stay-at-home mom, I'd love to hear her thoughts. Until then...

This and all of the rest.