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(LA Times)   Remember all that hoopla about Ann Romney softening Mitt's image? Reality is she is a stay at home Stepford wife who has never held a job   (latimes.com ) divider line
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2012-04-12 11:26:57 AM  

MorrisBird: Ann Romney has multiple sclerosis and is a cancer survivor. She's married to a Mormon robot and raised five boys. She is not fair game. Neither is Michelle Obama. Back off. The War on Women is palpable and it needs to stop with the progressives. End of sermon.


shiatty, horrible people get MS and cancer too. I don't see what good attacking Ann serves, she should be a nonentity in the race no matter what the right wants to throw around about the "Moochelle"'s audacity to leave the white house on occasion or her unholy promotion of salad and exercise. However, I hate that people say "oh that lady/guy had cancer" as if it makes them a good person.
 
2012-04-12 11:27:14 AM  

truthseeker2083: Jackson Herring: truthseeker2083: It wasn't that I 'didn't like your ideas'

You know if you actually read the rest of his posts, dog whistles aside, you'd probably change your mind about that

Well, I don't like his ideas, but that's not what caused it. I don't ignore people for their thoughts, I just jumped to conclusions. If I ignored people because I just didn't like what they say, fark would be lonely. That's why I took him off, it was a misunderstanding on that post.


I guess what I'm saying is, if you ignore someone for being an idiotic shiatposter, just keep it to yourself, cause you're just going to trigger an avalance of "feh...ignore is for the weak" from like the top 10 most widely ignored posters on fark.
 
2012-04-12 11:28:05 AM  

keylock71: People like the Romneys and their pampered, trust fund children wouldn't piss on people like my family if we were on fire if they didn't want to convince us to vote for them...


I'll piss on your family for $200 and they don't even have to be on fire. (But please, no minors)

/Just saying
//$300 if I have to wear the rubber suit
 
2012-04-12 11:28:46 AM  

keylock71: Jackson Herring: keylock71: I'm not making light of what she's done in her life, mind you, but the working poor and middle classes deal with things the Romneys have never had to. That's just a fact.

Wait, are you saying that Ann Romney for example never had to skip meals to buy her kids new school clothes? Never had to choose between paying rent or paying the electric bill?

Heh...

I remember my mother crying because she didn't have enough money to buy my asthma medication and buy groceries for the week. My asshole of a father was on the hook for a whopping $70 a month in child support, which he regularly failed to send her. And despite that, she never talked shiat about my dad in front of us and made sure we had some sort of a relationship with the man.

She picked up a second job at night to get extra money for my sister and I to be able to take part in school sports and after school activities, and she never once complained about it in front of my sister and I.

When Ann Romney's had to deal with that, I might be interested in her thoughts on women's issues.


Is your mom fighting MS and cancer too? Maybe when she is, Ann Romney would like to hear her thoughts on women issues. Everybody has issues in life to deal with. Assuming because she has money her life isn't hard is disgusting.
 
2012-04-12 11:30:17 AM  

Botkin of the Yard: DROxINxTHExWIND: So, we're no longer Obamabots who blindly follow "The One". Thats good to know. Republicans are like an irrational girlfriend. Sometimes its best to drop it and let your girl think she's won than to double down, even when you're right. I've said there is nothing wrong with being a stay-at-home mom.

You have no problem with stay at home moms. Well, that's good. But you also keep saying that Romney never had a job. So, once again, do you understand that raising kids is a lot of work? That it is a job?


Raising kids with that kind of wealth is not difficult. The Romneys were tenmillionaires when having ten million + was F-U money. They are now hundredmillionaire/billionaires. They have, and have had since little Mittens was dandled at his papa's knees, what their kind refers to as a "domestic staff."
 
2012-04-12 11:31:13 AM  

Mercutio74: keylock71: People like the Romneys and their pampered, trust fund children wouldn't piss on people like my family if we were on fire if they didn't want to convince us to vote for them...

I'll piss on your family for $200 and they don't even have to be on fire. (But please, no minors)

/Just saying
//$300 if I have to wear the rubber suit



I'd prefer if you just responded to our Craig's List ad and not in a public forum... And if anything, we should get a discount if you wear the rubber suit. That shiat is not flattering. : )
 
2012-04-12 11:32:16 AM  

Botkin of the Yard: You have no problem with stay at home moms. Well, that's good. But you also keep saying that Romney never had a job. So, once again, do you understand that raising kids is a lot of work? That it is a job?


It's disintegrating into a semantic argument. I've helped friends move before... it was hard work, but I don't think anyone would call it a job. I've replaced a peel and stick floor in my house with engineered hardwood... it was hard work, but not a job. I knew someone who worked overnight at a tv station and made sure the signal kept going out with accurate programming... that's a job, but it's not hard work.

Just like raising kids is hard work. But it's not a job. A job implies that someone is hiring you to perform a service for them, and in exchange you get money.
 
2012-04-12 11:32:35 AM  

keylock71: Fair enough... Maybe I'm a little bit sensitive on this issue due to my own history, but, goddamn, my blood boils when the wealthy, pampered elites of this country try to compare their experiences with the working poor and middle classes as if they're even remotely comparable.

People like the Romneys and their pampered, trust fund children wouldn't piss on people like my family if we were on fire if they didn't want to convince us to vote for them...


I know and I agree. But for now we have to pretend that Ann Romney is on equal footing with working-class mothers, lest we look like misogynist pigs. It's election season, when "We need to strengthen the middle class" means "I'M COMING FOR ALL YOUR MONEY TO GIVE TO THE WELFARE QUEENS BECAUSE I'M A COMMIE SOCIALIST WEALTH REDISTRIBUTOR!"
 
2012-04-12 11:33:29 AM  

davidw001: ginandbacon: Elvis_Bogart: GAT_00: She's fair game and she apparently got hit hard last night.

So...this means that we can go after Michelle without you guys pissing your pants? Or will you just scream RACISM! like usual?

I love how you guys think. One person tweets something completely ridiculous about Ann Romney and gets taken to task for it by pretty much everyone on the left with a twitter account, so pretty much everyone, and notables from your side vilify and degrade Michelle Obama with absolutely disgusting rhetoric and no one in your camp has the decency to stand up and say it's wrong.

What most of us notice is not the one voice (or two if you count Gat) that cross a line. It's the overwhelming denunciation of that as a legitimate public discussion. Oh, we also notice the deafening silence from your side when one of yours goes after Mrs. Obama or the girls.

You exemplify the complete lack of a moral compass and the most basic human decency that has voters running as fast as they can from the GOP. Good luck with that.

Favorited and earned a smart click. Well said!


Thank you. You are too kind.
 
2012-04-12 11:33:31 AM  
ps69: Raising kids with that kind of wealth is not difficult. The Romneys were tenmillionaires when having ten million + was F-U money. They are now hundredmillionaire/billionaires. They have, and have had since little Mittens was dandled at his papa's knees, what their kind refers to as a "domestic staff."

So you have all sorts of insights into the domestic arrangements of the Romney family? Please, tell us all about their domestic servants and how they helped raise the kids.
 
2012-04-12 11:33:47 AM  

keylock71: I'd prefer if you just responded to our Craig's List ad and not in a public forum... And if anything, we should get a discount if you wear the rubber suit. That shiat is not flattering. : )


Says you... my rubber suit has zippers all over. I'm like a sweaty, urinating advent calendar. You never know what you'll find when you open it up!!!!
 
2012-04-12 11:34:21 AM  

Botkin of the Yard: DROxINxTHExWIND: So, we're no longer Obamabots who blindly follow "The One". Thats good to know. Republicans are like an irrational girlfriend. Sometimes its best to drop it and let your girl think she's won than to double down, even when you're right. I've said there is nothing wrong with being a stay-at-home mom.

You have no problem with stay at home moms. Well, that's good. But you also keep saying that Romney never had a job. So, once again, do you understand that raising kids is a lot of work? That it is a job?


correction: it is not a job because you don't get paid for it. It is a lot of work though.
 
2012-04-12 11:35:23 AM  

Mercutio74: keylock71: I'd prefer if you just responded to our Craig's List ad and not in a public forum... And if anything, we should get a discount if you wear the rubber suit. That shiat is not flattering. : )

Says you... my rubber suit has zippers all over. I'm like a sweaty, urinating advent calendar. You never know what you'll find when you open it up!!!!


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was sad to find out that each season is a separate story. I liked that one
 
2012-04-12 11:35:43 AM  

Jackson Herring: truthseeker2083: Jackson Herring: truthseeker2083: It wasn't that I 'didn't like your ideas'

You know if you actually read the rest of his posts, dog whistles aside, you'd probably change your mind about that

Well, I don't like his ideas, but that's not what caused it. I don't ignore people for their thoughts, I just jumped to conclusions. If I ignored people because I just didn't like what they say, fark would be lonely. That's why I took him off, it was a misunderstanding on that post.

I guess what I'm saying is, if you ignore someone for being an idiotic shiatposter, just keep it to yourself, cause you're just going to trigger an avalance of "feh...ignore is for the weak" from like the top 10 most widely ignored posters on fark.


I know. I'm glad I said it this time though, because it was resolved. Mostly the filter is for thread-shi*ters and stupid posts that make no addition to the discussion, but I jumped the gun this time. Mostly I don't tell the one-line wonders they are being ignored, but this time was different. I wanted to make it heard what I felt his post meant, He explained, I said sorry, and now I didn't ignore somone for no reason.
 
2012-04-12 11:36:38 AM  
Mercutio74: It's disintegrating into a semantic argument. I've helped friends move before... it was hard work, but I don't think anyone would call it a job. I've replaced a peel and stick floor in my house with engineered hardwood... it was hard work, but not a job. I knew someone who worked overnight at a tv station and made sure the signal kept going out with accurate programming... that's a job, but it's not hard work.

Just like raising kids is hard work. But it's not a job. A job implies that someone is hiring you to perform a service for them, and in exchange you get money.


Sorry, but putting down flooring and moving your friend's stuff is not the same as raising kids. And a 'job' is not necessarily something that involves a paycheck.
 
2012-04-12 11:37:56 AM  
skullkrusher: correction: it is not a job because you don't get paid for it. It is a lot of work though.

Incorrect. See above
 
2012-04-12 11:38:19 AM  

Botkin of the Yard: Mercutio74: It's disintegrating into a semantic argument. I've helped friends move before... it was hard work, but I don't think anyone would call it a job. I've replaced a peel and stick floor in my house with engineered hardwood... it was hard work, but not a job. I knew someone who worked overnight at a tv station and made sure the signal kept going out with accurate programming... that's a job, but it's not hard work.

Just like raising kids is hard work. But it's not a job. A job implies that someone is hiring you to perform a service for them, and in exchange you get money.

Sorry, but putting down flooring and moving your friend's stuff is not the same as raising kids. And a 'job' is not necessarily something that involves a paycheck.


So let's hammer this out. What do you think are the criteria for accurately identifying what a "job" is?
 
2012-04-12 11:39:34 AM  

The Great EZE: I know and I agree. But for now we have to pretend that Ann Romney is on equal footing with working-class mothers, lest we look like misogynist pigs. It's election season, when "We need to strengthen the middle class" means "I'M COMING FOR ALL YOUR MONEY TO GIVE TO THE WELFARE QUEENS BECAUSE I'M A COMMIE SOCIALIST WEALTH REDISTRIBUTOR!"


This might get me flamed, but I've always thought "Welfare Queen" was one of ABBA's weaker tunes.
 
2012-04-12 11:40:32 AM  

Botkin of the Yard: DROxINxTHExWIND: So, we're no longer Obamabots who blindly follow "The One". Thats good to know. Republicans are like an irrational girlfriend. Sometimes its best to drop it and let your girl think she's won than to double down, even when you're right. I've said there is nothing wrong with being a stay-at-home mom.

You have no problem with stay at home moms. Well, that's good. But you also keep saying that Romney never had a job. So, once again, do you understand that raising kids is a lot of work? That it is a job?


Cutting my yard is a lot of work but it isn't a JOB. And it would be silly of me to compare my weekly mowing with the life of a landscaper. Stop trying to change the subject. The issue NEVER was whether or not raising kids can be hard. The issue was is it COMPERABLE TO raising kids and trying to keep a roof over their heads. The anwser is a resounding "no".
 
2012-04-12 11:41:22 AM  

MorrisBird: Ann Romney has multiple sclerosis and is a cancer survivor. She's married to a Mormon robot and raised five boys. She is not fair game. Neither is Michelle Obama. Back off. The War on Women is palpable and it needs to stop with the progressives. End of sermon.


Michelle Obama is fair game. Why not? she is an accomplished attorney, first lady, and has a strong voice in policy. She is outspoken for casues she believes in and is an eloquent speaker.

Mitt and Ann made a decision, together, to play this game.

People that aren't ready for this type of scrutiny won't, and shouldn't, be left alone. They should be challenged so that their true character shows.

And Ann, Mitt and the rest of the Romneys are all the same : Trust fund farkers.
 
2012-04-12 11:41:28 AM  

Botkin of the Yard: Mercutio74: It's disintegrating into a semantic argument. I've helped friends move before... it was hard work, but I don't think anyone would call it a job. I've replaced a peel and stick floor in my house with engineered hardwood... it was hard work, but not a job. I knew someone who worked overnight at a tv station and made sure the signal kept going out with accurate programming... that's a job, but it's not hard work.

Just like raising kids is hard work. But it's not a job. A job implies that someone is hiring you to perform a service for them, and in exchange you get money.

Sorry, but putting down flooring and moving your friend's stuff is not the same as raising kids. And a 'job' is not necessarily something that involves a paycheck.


It's not part of the wokplace though. That's why she made the comment. Romney wants to pretend she knows what women who work out of the home go through. She doesn't.
 
2012-04-12 11:41:51 AM  

The Great EZE: keylock71: Fair enough... Maybe I'm a little bit sensitive on this issue due to my own history, but, goddamn, my blood boils when the wealthy, pampered elites of this country try to compare their experiences with the working poor and middle classes as if they're even remotely comparable.

People like the Romneys and their pampered, trust fund children wouldn't piss on people like my family if we were on fire if they didn't want to convince us to vote for them...

I know and I agree. But for now we have to pretend that Ann Romney is on equal footing with working-class mothers, lest we look like misogynist pigs. It's election season, when "We need to strengthen the middle class" means "I'M COMING FOR ALL YOUR MONEY TO GIVE TO THE WELFARE QUEENS BECAUSE I'M A COMMIE SOCIALIST WEALTH REDISTRIBUTOR!"


Sure... But I'm not a politician, so I don't really feel compelled to walk any kind of middle line on this issue. And I got to say, after the last four years, I'll proudly wear the title of "Socialist", and that's more of a result of the absolutely greedy, mean-spirited bullshiat the GOP has put out than anything the Obama Administration has done.


Mercutio74: keylock71: I'd prefer if you just responded to our Craig's List ad and not in a public forum... And if anything, we should get a discount if you wear the rubber suit. That shiat is not flattering. : )

Says you... my rubber suit has zippers all over. I'm like a sweaty, urinating advent calendar. You never know what you'll find when you open it up!!!!


Fine... sold.
 
2012-04-12 11:42:13 AM  

Botkin of the Yard: Mercutio74: It's disintegrating into a semantic argument. I've helped friends move before... it was hard work, but I don't think anyone would call it a job. I've replaced a peel and stick floor in my house with engineered hardwood... it was hard work, but not a job. I knew someone who worked overnight at a tv station and made sure the signal kept going out with accurate programming... that's a job, but it's not hard work.

Just like raising kids is hard work. But it's not a job. A job implies that someone is hiring you to perform a service for them, and in exchange you get money.

Sorry, but putting down flooring and moving your friend's stuff is not the same as raising kids. And a 'job' is not necessarily something that involves a paycheck.


sure it is.

1.
a piece of work, especially a specific task done as part of the routine of one's occupation or for an agreed price: She gave him the job of mowing the lawn.
2.
a post of employment; full-time or part-time position: She was seeking a job as an editor.
3.
anything a person is expected or obliged to do; duty; responsibility: It is your job to be on time.
4.
an affair, matter, occurrence, or state of affairs: to make the best of a bad job.
5.
the material, project, assignment, etc., being worked upon: The housing project was a long and costly job.

I don't read after the 2nd definition of things.
Especially in this context. Even if your "job" is raising kids, it doesn't give you insight into women in the workplace because your house is not a workplace merely because you raise kids in it... unless she is referring to her experience with nannies and domestic help. Then she probably knows about women in the workplace but not because of her "job" of raising kids.

Raising kids is a job if you're a nanny.
 
2012-04-12 11:43:27 AM  
Go libs, continue on this track, its a winning strategy.


\fail tag is for subby.
 
2012-04-12 11:44:07 AM  

tcan: Oh please, please attack her. It won't hurt her and will rally lots of women. It also makes Michelle fair game and she's got a lot more to attack. So carry on you big tough liberals I think Ann Romney can take it..


I love the idea that this suddenly makes Michelle fair game. There is nothing that the right has yet to attack Michelle Obama for. The right blew its wad on that in the first 10 minutes. And compared to the amount of pushback Rosen is getting on this from the left, the right has done exactly nothing to push back against the attacks on the first lady. No, that's not quite fair. Huckabee and Christie both said they thought the criticism of "Let's Move" was retarded.
 
2012-04-12 11:44:08 AM  
Mercutio74: So let's hammer this out. What do you think are the criteria for accurately identifying what a "job" is?

A job is a task. Some jobs involve a paycheck, others do not.
 
2012-04-12 11:44:46 AM  

Buffalo77: Go libs, continue on this track, its a winning strategy.


\fail tag is for subby.


Actually keeping the issue of how out of touch the GOP is with the world would be a winning strategy. Unfortunately the prize for winning is 4 more years of a right of center Dem in the white house.
 
2012-04-12 11:45:12 AM  

Botkin of the Yard: Mercutio74: So let's hammer this out. What do you think are the criteria for accurately identifying what a "job" is?

A job is a task. Some jobs involve a paycheck, others do not.


heh does it really matter? Whether raising kids is a "job" or not doesn't give her experience with women's issues in the workplace.

/not a job
 
2012-04-12 11:45:24 AM  

liam76: what_now: fark off.

Feminism means being able to choose to stay home and raise your kids and not hearing any shiat about it from ANYONE.

She wasn't hearing shiat about being a stay at home mom. She was hearing shiat for trying to speak about the struggle of working women and the economy.


So how can 0bama speak about the struggle of women and the economy? He has a job, is a 1%er, a multimillionaire and he is not a woman.
 
2012-04-12 11:45:45 AM  

Elvis_Bogart: GAT_00: She's fair game and she apparently got hit hard last night.

So...this means that we can go after Michelle without you guys pissing your pants? Or will you just scream RACISM! like usual?


WTF?

"Go" after? yeah, nobody goes after Michelle. Right.

What the fark people? This is the wife of the most powerful man in the world and some of y'all think she shouldn't be questioned and scrutinized? I think I speak for alot of men when I say that if you have a women in your life your decisions are directly influenced by her.

The kids? Hell naw. That is off limits. But the "First Lady" is fair game and should be .
 
2012-04-12 11:46:43 AM  

Botkin of the Yard: Mercutio74: So let's hammer this out. What do you think are the criteria for accurately identifying what a "job" is?

A job is a task. Some jobs involve a paycheck, others do not.


So then replacing my own floor is a job. Just like raising kids. Just like brushing my teeth. Just like anything we do that has a specific desired outcome that's different from when we began.
 
2012-04-12 11:47:44 AM  

Botkin of the Yard: Mercutio74: So let's hammer this out. What do you think are the criteria for accurately identifying what a "job" is?

A job is a task. Some jobs involve a paycheck, others do not.


If you pour drano down your sink, does that give you the knowledge to speak for/as a plumer? If not, how can she speak for/as a mother in the workforce?
 
2012-04-12 11:48:45 AM  

Botkin of the Yard: ps69: Raising kids with that kind of wealth is not difficult. The Romneys were tenmillionaires when having ten million + was F-U money. They are now hundredmillionaire/billionaires. They have, and have had since little Mittens was dandled at his papa's knees, what their kind refers to as a "domestic staff."

So you have all sorts of insights into the domestic arrangements of the Romney family? Please, tell us all about their domestic servants and how they helped raise the kids.


They had a full household staff of maids and nannies and sitters, and the kids boarded at Cranbrook.
 
2012-04-12 11:49:03 AM  
skullkrusher: Just like raising kids is hard work. But it's not a job. A job implies that someone is hiring you to perform a service for them, and in exchange you get money.

Sorry, but putting down flooring and moving your friend's stuff is not the same as raising kids. And a 'job' is not necessarily something that involves a paycheck.

I don't read after the 2nd definition of things.

Especially in this context. Even if your "job" is raising kids, it doesn't give you insight into women in the workplace because your house is not a workplace merely because you raise kids in it... unless she is referring to her experience with nannies and domestic help. Then she probably knows about women in the workplace but not because of her "job" of raising kids.

Raising kids is a job if you're a nanny.


Not understanding more than a couple of definitions might be a part of your problem here. So, you're saying that raising kids if you don't get paid for it is not a job, but raising kids while getting paid for it is a job. Brilliant.
 
2012-04-12 11:49:29 AM  

truthseeker2083: Botkin of the Yard: Mercutio74: So let's hammer this out. What do you think are the criteria for accurately identifying what a "job" is?

A job is a task. Some jobs involve a paycheck, others do not.

If you pour drano down your sink, does that give you the knowledge to speak for/as a plumer? If not, how can she speak for/as a mother in the workforce?


plumber dammit. I hate typing on my tablet on the road...
 
2012-04-12 11:50:22 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: So how can 0bama speak about the struggle of women and the economy? He has a job, is a 1%er, a multimillionaire and he is not a woman.


The difference is that Ann's appeal is based on her experience. She's setting herself up to undertake the logical fallacy of "Appeal to Authority". Obama presents his beliefs on women's issues relating to employment as being the result of research and study.

Obama may not be right, but he's not claiming to know what he knows because he lived it when he didn't. That's the difference. The source of the information matters, not just the conclusion.
 
2012-04-12 11:52:41 AM  

Botkin of the Yard: Not understanding more than a couple of definitions might be a part of your problem here. So, you're saying that raising kids if you don't get paid for it is not a job, but raising kids while getting paid for it is a job. Brilliant.


But you've contradicted yourself. You said that me replacing my floor wasn't the same as raising kids (therefore, it's not a job). However, I think it's quite obvious that if I paid a contractor to do that same task, it would have been a job. So you're implying that payment does matter even though it somehow magically doesn't for childcare.
 
2012-04-12 11:54:19 AM  
DROxINxTHExWINd: Cutting my yard is a lot of work but it isn't a JOB. And it would be silly of me to compare my weekly mowing with the life of a landscaper. Stop trying to change the subject. The issue NEVER was whether or not raising kids can be hard. The issue was is it COMPERABLE TO raising kids and trying to keep a roof over their heads. The anwser is a resounding "no".
I didn't change the subject. Why do you think this thread popped up today? It's because a gaping idiot was on CNN last night and said, among other things, that Mitt Romney's wife "never worked a day in her life". She has been roundly criticized for this. And you're completely wrong to suggest that raising kids is not a job. Just ask your parents.
 
2012-04-12 11:54:39 AM  

Mercutio74: tenpoundsofcheese: So how can 0bama speak about the struggle of women and the economy? He has a job, is a 1%er, a multimillionaire and he is not a woman.

The difference is that Ann's appeal is based on her experience. She's setting herself up to undertake the logical fallacy of "Appeal to Authority". Obama presents his beliefs on women's issues relating to employment as being the result of research and study.

Obama may not be right, but he's not claiming to know what he knows because he lived it when he didn't. That's the difference. The source of the information matters, not just the conclusion.


THIS is the crux of this entire stupid debate. It would serve a lot of people well to learn the difference between "speaking in defense of" and "speaking for/as." If Ann did the former, there would be no story. She did the latter and here we are.

Maybe if somebody found a way to shorten that into a bumper sticker people would learn.
 
2012-04-12 11:55:13 AM  

Botkin of the Yard: skullkrusher: Just like raising kids is hard work. But it's not a job. A job implies that someone is hiring you to perform a service for them, and in exchange you get money.

Sorry, but putting down flooring and moving your friend's stuff is not the same as raising kids. And a 'job' is not necessarily something that involves a paycheck.

I don't read after the 2nd definition of things.
Especially in this context. Even if your "job" is raising kids, it doesn't give you insight into women in the workplace because your house is not a workplace merely because you raise kids in it... unless she is referring to her experience with nannies and domestic help. Then she probably knows about women in the workplace but not because of her "job" of raising kids.

Raising kids is a job if you're a nanny.

Not understanding more than a couple of definitions might be a part of your problem here. So, you're saying that raising kids if you don't get paid for it is not a job, but raising kids while getting paid for it is a job. Brilliant.


twas a joke. So I work two jobs?
 
2012-04-12 11:55:18 AM  

Mercutio74: tenpoundsofcheese: I have no idea.
I seem to remember that the marginal tax rates were pretty high back then and stock options weren't used much.

What were the marginal rates back then? Were $1M salaries common?

Nor do I know if his dad disliked rebellious his son and wouldn't give him a dime.
Nor do I know if his dad believed in Mormon bootstrappyness and felt that Mitt shouldn't get much money and the church should get more.

I see... so your point was entirely speculation and now you're realized it. As soon as anyone asked even a surface question, it crumbles.


oh look, you are missing the point again.
you are assuming that Mitt got all sorts of money and help from his father.
But you aren't honest enough to ask questions about whether or not that is true, especially given the different tax rates and compensation at the time and the fact that his father was a Mormon who gave a lot of money to the church.

Yes, of course he got some help, but 40 years ago, things were considerably different.
 
2012-04-12 11:57:26 AM  

Mercutio74: Botkin of the Yard: You have no problem with stay at home moms. Well, that's good. But you also keep saying that Romney never had a job. So, once again, do you understand that raising kids is a lot of work? That it is a job?

It's disintegrating into a semantic argument.
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No it is not.
People here changed the line to say she did/did not have a job.

What the dem said was "she has never worked a day in her life".

working at something != having a job
 
2012-04-12 11:57:48 AM  
Mercutio74: But you've contradicted yourself. You said that me replacing my floor wasn't the same as raising kids (therefore, it's not a job). However, I think it's quite obvious that if I paid a contractor to do that same task, it would have been a job. So you're implying that payment does matter even though it somehow magically doesn't for childcare.

No, I really didn't. I said putting in flooring is not the same as raising children. I did not say that putting in flooring is not a job.

Both things are jobs. The difference is that one thing (the floor) is done in a day or two. With kids, it takes a little longer (several years longer) and is much more difficult.
 
2012-04-12 11:58:30 AM  
This thread is a job.
 
2012-04-12 12:00:25 PM  
Yes, attack stay at home moms. This will surely increase the votes you're going to get.
 
2012-04-12 12:00:40 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: oh look, you are missing the point again.
you are assuming that Mitt got all sorts of money and help from his father.
But you aren't honest enough to ask questions about whether or not that is true, especially given the different tax rates and compensation at the time and the fact that his father was a Mormon who gave a lot of money to the church.

Yes, of course he got some help, but 40 years ago, things were considerably different.


Has there ever been a time in the US where a chief executive of a profitable large corporation wouldn't have enough money to support his family?

Here's an article I found

Romney's tax returns told an interesting story. To no one's surprise, they revealed him to be a rich man (although not nearly as rich as his son is reputed to be). His adjusted gross income ranged from a high of $566,771.47 in 1963 (roughly $4 million in current dollars) to a low of $78,483.85 in 1966 (about $527,000). (new window)
 
2012-04-12 12:01:03 PM  
skullkrusher: twas a joke. So I work two jobs?

I didn't think to put in the notsureifserious.jpeg. My mistake.
 
2012-04-12 12:01:28 PM  
Romney supporter Hilary Rosen launches a salvo against the left's war on women. As in salvo, I mean Hiroshima. Way to go, dumbass.
 
2012-04-12 12:04:11 PM  

Buffalo77: Go libs, continue on this track, its a winning strategy.


\fail tag is for subby.


I doubt you'll get your wish since everyone who has any official capacity with the Obama campaign has already swiftly and completely denounced these comments.

Then again, that's what you do when somebody says something stupid and claims to speak for your cause. You distance yourself and release a statement saying those words have no place in civil discussion. In other words the complete opposite of what any Republican statesman did following Rush Limbaugh's comments regarding Sandra Fluke.
 
2012-04-12 12:05:38 PM  

ginandbacon: Yeah, I'm pretty sure attacking Ann Romney isn't a good idea nor is it in good taste.


I'm pretty sure you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

Here's exactly what happened.
Reporter: "Mr. Romney, what's your stance on women in the workplace?"
Mitt: "I wish my wife were here. She advises me on issues like that."
Hilary Rosen: "His wife advises him on women in the workplace? She's never worked a day in her life."
RepubliTards™: "TEH HORROR! It's hard work organizing your fifteen nannies when you're only worth a quarter of a billion dollars!"

I get that politics are the domain of the terminally stupid and chronically dishonest, but this is just idiotic. Romney's wife knows absolutely nothing about women in the workplace. Zero. But because Republicans have just spent the last six months pissing off every woman in America, Republicans are desperately trying to score some sort of political points by trying to claim that somehow she's been "insulted". How exactly is it "insulting" to point out that a woman that's never held a job isn't exactly qualified to be Romney's "expert" on women in the workplace?
 
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