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(LA Times)   Remember all that hoopla about Ann Romney softening Mitt's image? Reality is she is a stay at home Stepford wife who has never held a job   (latimes.com) divider line 473
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2012-04-12 10:56:51 AM

skullkrusher: thurstonxhowell: skullkrusher: truthseeker2083: badaboom: tuckeg: How many of those arguing that Ann Romney works very hard have argued in the past that all the welfare mothers should get off their duffs and work?

/Guessing about 80%
//Hypocrisy always makes me smile

Does money from your paycheck go to support the Ann Romneys of the world? Do the Ann Romneys of the world have more children they can't afford so their check is bigger? Try comparing Apples to Apples, not Apples to Orangatans.

And... ignored you racist piece of poo.

seriously?

"Orangatans" was kind of a tipoff to his intent.

hmm... I've heard "apples and orangutans" used as an indication that the two things are SO different, comparing it to another fruit doesn't make sense.
Dunno if he has a past but I think we're being a tad sensitive with the Racism Sonar ArrayTM


THANK YOU. I had ZERO intent of making a racial comment. Apples to Orangatans is used all the time. My use was soley to point out that the analogy made was so off that it was not Apples to Oranges. But I guess some people see racial overtones in everything.
 
2012-04-12 10:58:48 AM

Botkin of the Yard: DROxINxTHExWIND

You think she's never worked a day in her life?

If were going to say that Ann Romney doesn't understand the day to day struggles of working class women, then please tell me which spouse of a presidential candidate, over the last 30 years, is qualified to talk about the issue. I don't think there are any.



Don't hurt your back moving the goal posts. No one went after Ann Romney for not working or even HINTED that there was a problem with it. Lets be clear, this is a diversion. Republicans went after women's vaginas and they have suffered in the polls. Ann Romney was brought out to make us forget the attack on vaginas. After making a comment which suggested that she understood, and therefore Mitt understood, the plight of working women, she got called on never having a job.

/Period.
//Can't have a grown-up discussion if people are goping to play word games.
 
2012-04-12 10:59:18 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: nopokerface: Are you guys really saying that Michelle didn't make political statements on her husband's behalf when he was runnning?

Are you really saying that no one criticized Michelle's political statements on her husband's behalf when he was runnning?


A Venn diagram of "Those who criticize Michelle" and "Those who criticize Ann" would be pretty entertaining.
 
2012-04-12 10:59:47 AM
It doesn't make any sense to attack Romney or his wife. Just let them keep talking. His whole campaign is predicated somehow on the notion that every one of his problems is ACTUALLY Obama's problem. But it's a ridiculous proposition. So just let them keep making assholes of themselves and get on with the business of governing. Romney is a problem that will take care of itself.
 
2012-04-12 11:00:09 AM

DROxINxTHExWIND: Ronmey supporters have done an excellent job of confuing the issue. This isn't about whether raising kids is hard. The question is, how can Ann Romney speak to the struggles of the average working mother when she has never worked a day in her life. We all know that "work" meant holding a job which gave her a paycheck that she could not go without. When we start talking about the plight of the stay-at-home mom, I'd love to hear her thoughts. Until then...


True... Also, is Ann Romney really a good example of the average stay at home mother to begin with? Even when they were a young couple, they still had way more money than the average American. That right there is more than enough to temper any knowledge she may have on the subject.

I would also say that there are far more "working mothers" in this country, who have to raise their children while holding down at least one job, which pays far less than what old Ann had to play with. If I want to hear from anyone, it would be women like that before women like Romney, who had it relatively easy compared to most women in this country (even with her physical problems).

My mother raised my sister and I on her own with no help from the state working 2 jobs. She went without a lot to make sure my sister and I got good educations, went to college and stayed out of the kinds of trouble other kids in the neighborhood were getting into... and she did it with a small fraction of the money the Romneys had.

That's far more impressive to me than anything Ann Romney has accomplished.

I'm not making light of what she's done in her life, mind you, but the working poor and middle classes deal with things the Romneys have never had to. That's just a fact.
 
2012-04-12 11:00:29 AM

someonelse: EWreckedSean: someonelse: EWreckedSean: The media is pushing the DNC connection, not me.

You said, "The DNC just said a stay at home mother of 5 has never worked a day in her life." Despite the reported DNC connection, it takes a special brand of partisan hackery to pretend her statement was an official DNC statement.

ABC Headline: Ann Romney Fights Back: Debuts on Twitter to Counter DNC Advisor's Insult

It takes a special kind of partisan hackery to take what is being plastered across news sites and try to make it into me making it about me.

Not even the media that you're now blaming for your own words is claiming "The DNC says Ann Romney never worked a day in her life." Though I'm sure it's all over the right wing blogs. I realize you're doubling down now, and you'll just keep on digging in, and I'm not going down that rabbit hole. It's pointless with you.

For the record, I think Rosen's statement was stupid, she way overshot the point she was trying to make, and I have nothing against Ann Romney whatsoever.


Ah yes, I so changed the meaning of that headline. Lol seriously? You can let it go now. It was a stretch when you started down this path, no it's just getting a little bit sad. I feel bad for you.
 
2012-04-12 11:00:48 AM
Mercutio74: From a quick check of my memory of Michelle, What's her head, Hilary, Bar and Nancy... I don't think any of them were foolish enough to attempt to do it in public. I'd be happy to see whatever you can dig up and if they did, I'll gladly chastise them as well.

Foolish enough to do what? Every one of them has talked about raising families and women's issues. Hillary Clinton published a book (actually more of a campaign pamphlet) about it. None of these people were poor or worried about a grocery bill.
 
2012-04-12 11:01:55 AM

DROxINxTHExWIND: //Can't have a grown-up discussion if people are goping to play word games.


Which is EXACTLY WHY they play word games.
 
2012-04-12 11:03:04 AM

keylock71: I'm not making light of what she's done in her life, mind you, but the working poor and middle classes deal with things the Romneys have never had to. That's just a fact.


Wait, are you saying that Ann Romney for example never had to skip meals to buy her kids new school clothes? Never had to choose between paying rent or paying the electric bill?
 
2012-04-12 11:03:13 AM

Botkin of the Yard: Mercutio74: From a quick check of my memory of Michelle, What's her head, Hilary, Bar and Nancy... I don't think any of them were foolish enough to attempt to do it in public. I'd be happy to see whatever you can dig up and if they did, I'll gladly chastise them as well.

Foolish enough to do what? Every one of them has talked about raising families and women's issues. Hillary Clinton published a book (actually more of a campaign pamphlet) about it. None of these people were poor or worried about a grocery bill.


Then they're just as silly as Ann is. Unless they were middle class when their kids were born, they don't have a clue what they're talking about. It would have been doubly foolish if they made their comments/wrote their books during their husband's campaigns.
 
2012-04-12 11:03:45 AM

badaboom: DROxINxTHExWIND: skullkrusher: badaboom: Does money from your paycheck go to support the Ann Romneys of the world? Do the Ann Romneys of the world have more children they can't afford so their check is bigger? Try comparing Apples to Apples, not Apples to Orangatans.

forget about Ann Romneys, does anyone do that?

I think he's saying that black people do that. Of course, if raising kids is suddenly exactly like getting a job, then we all need to re-evaluate how we speak about welfare moms. They're the hardest working people in the country according to Republicans.

So the assumption is that when we are talking about welfare mothers it must be about blacks even though the majority of welfare moms are white? Nowhere do I mention race.


I wasn't sure, but this is Fark. If it was not your intent, allow me to be the first to apologize.
 
2012-04-12 11:05:07 AM
DROxINxTHExWIND: Don't hurt your back moving the goal posts. No one went after Ann Romney for not working or even HINTED that there was a problem with it. Lets be clear, this is a diversion. Republicans went after women's vaginas and they have suffered in the polls. Ann Romney was brought out to make us forget the attack on vaginas. After making a comment which suggested that she understood, and therefore Mitt understood, the plight of working women, she got called on never having a job.

Okay, let's just clear up one thing. Do you understand that raising kids is a lot of work? Do you understand that it is an important job?


//Can't have a grown-up discussion if people are goping to play word games.


Nobody's playing word games. You've just chosen to defend something the even the Obama campaign finds offensive.
 
2012-04-12 11:05:41 AM

truthseeker2083: skullkrusher: truthseeker2083: badaboom: tuckeg: How many of those arguing that Ann Romney works very hard have argued in the past that all the welfare mothers should get off their duffs and work?

/Guessing about 80%
//Hypocrisy always makes me smile

Does money from your paycheck go to support the Ann Romneys of the world? Do the Ann Romneys of the world have more children they can't afford so their check is bigger? Try comparing Apples to Apples, not Apples to Orangatans.

And... ignored you racist piece of poo.

seriously?

Yup. Maybe coming from the south and having my past experiences in mind, but hearing someone talk about welfare moms and then comparing apples to "Orangatans" is racist. I know what he means, he knows what was meant, and it's ignore time. If you want to read what he writes from now on, fine. I was just letting him know I won't be.


It must be wonderful to go through life with a superiorty complex. Don't like someone's ideas? Call them a racist. Funny that your handle is truthseeker. But You really don't believe that because such highly developed humans such as yourself already knows the truth. The rest of the ignorant masses must bother you. hence the ignore button.
 
2012-04-12 11:06:01 AM

PlatinumDragon: Attacking someone for being a housewife is stupid and ignorant. Women have been expected to cook, clean, raise children, and cater to the Man of the House's needs, without independent compensation of their own, for centuries. It's damned hard work. My partner and I, who both have jobs, discussed this last night while grousing about finding time to get house chores and good cooking done. Mocking someone for being a housewife is, in and of itself, sexist and a reinforcement of the patriarchal mindset that leads people to oppose things like equal pay laws despite clear evidence that they're required.


Exactly. Fark is extremely misogynistic when it comes to women in politics, whether Republican or Democrat.
 
2012-04-12 11:06:07 AM
"I made a choice to stay home and raise five boys," Ann Romney responded ... "Believe me, it was hard work."

My mother DIDN'T have a choice. She worked and raised SIX kids.
 
2012-04-12 11:06:33 AM

Botkin of the Yard: DROxINxTHExWIND: Don't hurt your back moving the goal posts. No one went after Ann Romney for not working or even HINTED that there was a problem with it. Lets be clear, this is a diversion. Republicans went after women's vaginas and they have suffered in the polls. Ann Romney was brought out to make us forget the attack on vaginas. After making a comment which suggested that she understood, and therefore Mitt understood, the plight of working women, she got called on never having a job.

Okay, let's just clear up one thing. Do you understand that raising kids is a lot of work? Do you understand that it is an important job?


//Can't have a grown-up discussion if people are goping to play word games.

Nobody's playing word games. You've just chosen to defend something the even the Obama campaign finds offensive.


Well she's rich, so obviously she sat on the couch all day eating bon bon's while the staff raised her kids.
 
2012-04-12 11:06:35 AM

keylock71: I'm not making light of what she's done in her life, mind you, but the working poor and middle classes deal with things the Romneys have never had to. That's just a fact


And that's the central problem with Mitt Romney. He has absolutely NO idea what life is like for the average American. I don't think he even possesses the imagination necessary to contemplate it. He is so far removed from the existence of the common man I struggle to even define him as human. The term I like is Homo Opulens. He doesn't know confusion, or self-doubt. He'll NEVER know hunger. He'll never know fear. He isn't one of us and never will be. If you want to define who the "other" is in American politics, it's not the black child of a single mother. There's plenty of those running around. The true "other" in American politics is the insanely rich, comfortable man, attempting to develop a repartee with the rest of us. He doesn't speak the language, and though he holds a lot of currency, it won't spend here.
 
2012-04-12 11:07:29 AM

natazha: "I made a choice to stay home and raise five boys," Ann Romney responded ... "Believe me, it was hard work."

My mother DIDN'T have a choice. She worked and raised SIX kids.


She could have not had, you know, six kids. Everybody has choices.
 
2012-04-12 11:07:33 AM

skullkrusher: truthseeker2083: badaboom: tuckeg: How many of those arguing that Ann Romney works very hard have argued in the past that all the welfare mothers should get off their duffs and work?

/Guessing about 80%
//Hypocrisy always makes me smile

Does money from your paycheck go to support the Ann Romneys of the world? Do the Ann Romneys of the world have more children they can't afford so their check is bigger? Try comparing Apples to Apples, not Apples to Orangatans.

And... ignored you racist piece of poo.

seriously?


He lost the argument

No wonder he pulled the eject eject eject
 
2012-04-12 11:08:13 AM

ourbigdumbmouth: Raising 5 white kids is a ton of work.


Sure, if they weigh 400 pounds apiece.
 
2012-04-12 11:09:05 AM

natazha: "I made a choice to stay home and raise five boys," Ann Romney responded ... "Believe me, it was hard work."

My mother DIDN'T have a choice. She worked and raised SIX kids.


Catholic?
 
2012-04-12 11:09:35 AM

Botkin of the Yard: Nobody's playing word games. You've just chosen to defend something the even the Obama campaign finds offensive.


Why should anyone care what the Obama campaign thinks if their have their own viewpoint on an issue? Personally, I think the "strategist" took a poor run at expressing her problem with the tweet, but that doesn't mean I have to take the opposite viewpoint. Look, back in the day, I would often find myself on the same side of an issue as czarangelus (usually for a wildly different reason) but it didn't mean I liked the guy or even respected him. And I'm certainly not going to change my thoughts because I think someone "on my side" botched the argument.
 
2012-04-12 11:10:09 AM
EWreckedSean: Well she's rich, so obviously she sat on the couch all day eating bon bon's while the staff raised her kids.

Well, of course. That's what rich people. When they're not at the country club or something.

Honestly, I doubt any of the spouses of presidential candidates, or the candidates themselves, really have a clear idea of what it's like to be a member of the working class or the middle class. It doesn't mean they all lack empathy though.
 
2012-04-12 11:11:35 AM

Jackson Herring: keylock71: I'm not making light of what she's done in her life, mind you, but the working poor and middle classes deal with things the Romneys have never had to. That's just a fact.

Wait, are you saying that Ann Romney for example never had to skip meals to buy her kids new school clothes? Never had to choose between paying rent or paying the electric bill?


Heh...

I remember my mother crying because she didn't have enough money to buy my asthma medication and buy groceries for the week. My asshole of a father was on the hook for a whopping $70 a month in child support, which he regularly failed to send her. And despite that, she never talked shiat about my dad in front of us and made sure we had some sort of a relationship with the man.

She picked up a second job at night to get extra money for my sister and I to be able to take part in school sports and after school activities, and she never once complained about it in front of my sister and I.

When Ann Romney's had to deal with that, I might be interested in her thoughts on women's issues.
 
2012-04-12 11:12:58 AM
I thought Stepford Wives were attractive???
 
2012-04-12 11:13:51 AM

badaboom: truthseeker2083: skullkrusher: truthseeker2083: badaboom: tuckeg: How many of those arguing that Ann Romney works very hard have argued in the past that all the welfare mothers should get off their duffs and work?

/Guessing about 80%
//Hypocrisy always makes me smile

Does money from your paycheck go to support the Ann Romneys of the world? Do the Ann Romneys of the world have more children they can't afford so their check is bigger? Try comparing Apples to Apples, not Apples to Orangatans.

And... ignored you racist piece of poo.

seriously?

Yup. Maybe coming from the south and having my past experiences in mind, but hearing someone talk about welfare moms and then comparing apples to "Orangatans" is racist. I know what he means, he knows what was meant, and it's ignore time. If you want to read what he writes from now on, fine. I was just letting him know I won't be.

It must be wonderful to go through life with a superiorty complex. Don't like someone's ideas? Call them a racist. Funny that your handle is truthseeker. But You really don't believe that because such highly developed humans such as yourself already knows the truth. The rest of the ignorant masses must bother you. hence the ignore button.


You know what, I took you off ignore so I could see what people were saying to me in the comments that included you. If that truly wasn't an attempt at a dog whistle, I take responsibility and am sorry. But having lived in the south, I heard all about the welfare queens popping out more kids so their checks were bigger all the time and it was only in reference to a certain segment of the population. Hearing that and Orangatans in one post, I jumped to conclusions. It wasn't that I 'didn't like your ideas'. It was how your idea was phrased.
 
2012-04-12 11:14:14 AM

DROxINxTHExWIND: badaboom: DROxINxTHExWIND: skullkrusher: badaboom: Does money from your paycheck go to support the Ann Romneys of the world? Do the Ann Romneys of the world have more children they can't afford so their check is bigger? Try comparing Apples to Apples, not Apples to Orangatans.

forget about Ann Romneys, does anyone do that?

I think he's saying that black people do that. Of course, if raising kids is suddenly exactly like getting a job, then we all need to re-evaluate how we speak about welfare moms. They're the hardest working people in the country according to Republicans.

So the assumption is that when we are talking about welfare mothers it must be about blacks even though the majority of welfare moms are white? Nowhere do I mention race.

I wasn't sure, but this is Fark. If it was not your intent, allow me to be the first to apologize.


Thanks. The point was off track anyhow. Someone mentioned welfare moms and said they were working as hard as nonwelfare moms. There is nothing inherently wrong with being a welfare mom, but it is a fact that they are getting money from the government. While both a welfare mom and a nonwelfare mom are both working hard one is doing so independent of assistance from our paychecks. And yes, you could make arguments about mortgage deductions etc. I was only trying to counter the point. And the apples to apples thing was purely coincidental, but I can see how that would read to someone.
 
2012-04-12 11:15:20 AM

Petit_Merdeux: nopokerface: Still vilifying being a full time wife and mother?

I'm pretty sure Mitt's sex life consists of masturbating in a vault filled with gold coins.


Spooge McDuck?
 
2012-04-12 11:15:35 AM

TheNewJesus: I thought Stepford Wives were attractive???


The more we see Mitt campaign, he could be a Stepford Husband.

/Model number: WR51070
 
2012-04-12 11:16:46 AM
Mercutio74: Why should anyone care what the Obama campaign thinks if their have their own viewpoint on an issue? Personally, I think the "strategist" took a poor run at expressing her problem with the tweet, but that doesn't mean I have to take the opposite viewpoint. Look, back in the day, I would often find myself on the same side of an issue as czarangelus (usually for a wildly different reason) but it didn't mean I liked the guy or even respected him. And I'm certainly not going to change my thoughts because I think someone "on my side" botched the argument.

The person I was responding to, when he wasn't denigrating stay at home parents, was discussing this entirely as a campaign issue. Democrats and Republicans and their respective records on these sorts of issues. And since he's made it clear which team he's on, I think it's only helpful to point out that the folks running his team think Rosen behaved stupidly.
 
2012-04-12 11:16:59 AM

truthseeker2083: It wasn't that I 'didn't like your ideas'


You know if you actually read the rest of his posts, dog whistles aside, you'd probably change your mind about that
 
2012-04-12 11:17:01 AM

truthseeker2083: badaboom: truthseeker2083: skullkrusher: truthseeker2083: badaboom: tuckeg: How many of those arguing that Ann Romney works very hard have argued in the past that all the welfare mothers should get off their duffs and work?

/Guessing about 80%
//Hypocrisy always makes me smile

Does money from your paycheck go to support the Ann Romneys of the world? Do the Ann Romneys of the world have more children they can't afford so their check is bigger? Try comparing Apples to Apples, not Apples to Orangatans.

And... ignored you racist piece of poo.

seriously?

Yup. Maybe coming from the south and having my past experiences in mind, but hearing someone talk about welfare moms and then comparing apples to "Orangatans" is racist. I know what he means, he knows what was meant, and it's ignore time. If you want to read what he writes from now on, fine. I was just letting him know I won't be.

It must be wonderful to go through life with a superiorty complex. Don't like someone's ideas? Call them a racist. Funny that your handle is truthseeker. But You really don't believe that because such highly developed humans such as yourself already knows the truth. The rest of the ignorant masses must bother you. hence the ignore button.

You know what, I took you off ignore so I could see what people were saying to me in the comments that included you. If that truly wasn't an attempt at a dog whistle, I take responsibility and am sorry. But having lived in the south, I heard all about the welfare queens popping out more kids so their checks were bigger all the time and it was only in reference to a certain segment of the population. Hearing that and Orangatans in one post, I jumped to conclusions. It wasn't that I 'didn't like your ideas'. It was how your idea was phrased.


After I rereading my post I can 100% see how it could be taken as a racist comment. Very embarrasing for me since that is no way who I am. I apologize and I agree with anyone who would jump on that type of statement.
 
2012-04-12 11:17:06 AM

keylock71: Jackson Herring: keylock71: I'm not making light of what she's done in her life, mind you, but the working poor and middle classes deal with things the Romneys have never had to. That's just a fact.

Wait, are you saying that Ann Romney for example never had to skip meals to buy her kids new school clothes? Never had to choose between paying rent or paying the electric bill?

Heh...

I remember my mother crying because she didn't have enough money to buy my asthma medication and buy groceries for the week. My asshole of a father was on the hook for a whopping $70 a month in child support, which he regularly failed to send her. And despite that, she never talked shiat about my dad in front of us and made sure we had some sort of a relationship with the man.

She picked up a second job at night to get extra money for my sister and I to be able to take part in school sports and after school activities, and she never once complained about it in front of my sister and I.

When Ann Romney's had to deal with that, I might be interested in her thoughts on women's issues.


My mother had similar issues. If there's one thing we can give Ann Romney credit for it's making us appreciate our mothers just a little bit more today.
 
2012-04-12 11:17:11 AM

trotsky: "It must be nice to be able to BE a stay at home mom".


Some women have no choice....ever try to pay for childcare or a babysitter while you go work 35 hours at mcdonalds? Sometimes you make more money sitting at home taking care of your own child while collecting entitlements and whatnot.

Ann Romney is the exception not the rule....try not to alieanate the single mother living below the poverty line vote.
 
2012-04-12 11:17:25 AM

badaboom: DROxINxTHExWIND: badaboom: DROxINxTHExWIND: skullkrusher: badaboom: Does money from your paycheck go to support the Ann Romneys of the world? Do the Ann Romneys of the world have more children they can't afford so their check is bigger? Try comparing Apples to Apples, not Apples to Orangatans.

forget about Ann Romneys, does anyone do that?

I think he's saying that black people do that. Of course, if raising kids is suddenly exactly like getting a job, then we all need to re-evaluate how we speak about welfare moms. They're the hardest working people in the country according to Republicans.

So the assumption is that when we are talking about welfare mothers it must be about blacks even though the majority of welfare moms are white? Nowhere do I mention race.

I wasn't sure, but this is Fark. If it was not your intent, allow me to be the first to apologize.

Thanks. The point was off track anyhow. Someone mentioned welfare moms and said they were working as hard as nonwelfare moms. There is nothing inherently wrong with being a welfare mom, but it is a fact that they are getting money from the government. While both a welfare mom and a nonwelfare mom are both working hard one is doing so independent of assistance from our paychecks. And yes, you could make arguments about mortgage deductions etc. I was only trying to counter the point. And the apples to apples thing was purely coincidental, but I can see how that would read to someone.


I don't know when the fark Fark started to get all civil and shiat but... I kinda like it.

Unfortunately, since the campaign's really just getting underway, I'm not sure it'll last..
 
2012-04-12 11:17:32 AM

winterwhile: skullkrusher: truthseeker2083: badaboom: tuckeg: How many of those arguing that Ann Romney works very hard have argued in the past that all the welfare mothers should get off their duffs and work?

/Guessing about 80%
//Hypocrisy always makes me smile

Does money from your paycheck go to support the Ann Romneys of the world? Do the Ann Romneys of the world have more children they can't afford so their check is bigger? Try comparing Apples to Apples, not Apples to Orangatans.

And... ignored you racist piece of poo.

seriously?

He lost the argument

No wonder he pulled the eject eject eject


BPF ;)
 
2012-04-12 11:18:15 AM

Jackson Herring: truthseeker2083: It wasn't that I 'didn't like your ideas'

You know if you actually read the rest of his posts, dog whistles aside, you'd probably change your mind about that


Citation needed.
 
2012-04-12 11:18:31 AM

Botkin of the Yard: DROxINxTHExWIND: Don't hurt your back moving the goal posts. No one went after Ann Romney for not working or even HINTED that there was a problem with it. Lets be clear, this is a diversion. Republicans went after women's vaginas and they have suffered in the polls. Ann Romney was brought out to make us forget the attack on vaginas. After making a comment which suggested that she understood, and therefore Mitt understood, the plight of working women, she got called on never having a job.

Okay, let's just clear up one thing. Do you understand that raising kids is a lot of work? Do you understand that it is an important job?


//Can't have a grown-up discussion if people are goping to play word games.

Nobody's playing word games. You've just chosen to defend something the even the Obama campaign finds offensive.


So, we're no longer Obamabots who blindly follow "The One". Thats good to know. Republicans are like an irrational girlfriend. Sometimes its best to drop it and let your girl think she's won than to double down, even when you're right. I've said there is nothing wrong with being a stay-at-home mom. Yet, look at how many clowns are still in here saying dumb shiat like:

Well she's rich, so obviously she sat on the couch all day eating bon bon's while the staff raised her kids.
 
2012-04-12 11:18:42 AM

ginandbacon: Elvis_Bogart: GAT_00: She's fair game and she apparently got hit hard last night.

So...this means that we can go after Michelle without you guys pissing your pants? Or will you just scream RACISM! like usual?

I love how you guys think. One person tweets something completely ridiculous about Ann Romney and gets taken to task for it by pretty much everyone on the left with a twitter account, so pretty much everyone, and notables from your side vilify and degrade Michelle Obama with absolutely disgusting rhetoric and no one in your camp has the decency to stand up and say it's wrong.

What most of us notice is not the one voice (or two if you count Gat) that cross a line. It's the overwhelming denunciation of that as a legitimate public discussion. Oh, we also notice the deafening silence from your side when one of yours goes after Mrs. Obama or the girls.

You exemplify the complete lack of a moral compass and the most basic human decency that has voters running as fast as they can from the GOP. Good luck with that.


Favorited and earned a smart click. Well said!
 
2012-04-12 11:19:02 AM

winterwhile: skullkrusher: truthseeker2083: badaboom: tuckeg: How many of those arguing that Ann Romney works very hard have argued in the past that all the welfare mothers should get off their duffs and work?

/Guessing about 80%
//Hypocrisy always makes me smile

Does money from your paycheck go to support the Ann Romneys of the world? Do the Ann Romneys of the world have more children they can't afford so their check is bigger? Try comparing Apples to Apples, not Apples to Orangatans.

And... ignored you racist piece of poo.

seriously?

He lost the argument

No wonder he pulled the eject eject eject


I didn't lose any argument. I jumped to conclusions. Read my follow-up.
 
2012-04-12 11:21:02 AM

Mercutio74: badaboom: DROxINxTHExWIND: badaboom: DROxINxTHExWIND: skullkrusher: badaboom: Does money from your paycheck go to support the Ann Romneys of the world? Do the Ann Romneys of the world have more children they can't afford so their check is bigger? Try comparing Apples to Apples, not Apples to Orangatans.

forget about Ann Romneys, does anyone do that?

I think he's saying that black people do that. Of course, if raising kids is suddenly exactly like getting a job, then we all need to re-evaluate how we speak about welfare moms. They're the hardest working people in the country according to Republicans.

So the assumption is that when we are talking about welfare mothers it must be about blacks even though the majority of welfare moms are white? Nowhere do I mention race.

I wasn't sure, but this is Fark. If it was not your intent, allow me to be the first to apologize.

Thanks. The point was off track anyhow. Someone mentioned welfare moms and said they were working as hard as nonwelfare moms. There is nothing inherently wrong with being a welfare mom, but it is a fact that they are getting money from the government. While both a welfare mom and a nonwelfare mom are both working hard one is doing so independent of assistance from our paychecks. And yes, you could make arguments about mortgage deductions etc. I was only trying to counter the point. And the apples to apples thing was purely coincidental, but I can see how that would read to someone.

I don't know when the fark Fark started to get all civil and shiat but... I kinda like it.

Unfortunately, since the campaign's really just getting underway, I'm not sure it'll last..


We all make asinine assumptions about each other, often based on stereotype. Sometimes it truly is just for the Lulz.
 
2012-04-12 11:21:38 AM

Mercutio74: TheNewJesus: I thought Stepford Wives were attractive???

The more we see Mitt campaign, he could be a Stepford Husband.

/Model number: WR51070


You won't be laughing when Romneybot selects you for termination.
 
2012-04-12 11:22:59 AM

Jackson Herring: truthseeker2083: It wasn't that I 'didn't like your ideas'

You know if you actually read the rest of his posts, dog whistles aside, you'd probably change your mind about that


Well, I don't like his ideas, but that's not what caused it. I don't ignore people for their thoughts, I just jumped to conclusions. If I ignored people because I just didn't like what they say, fark would be lonely. That's why I took him off, it was a misunderstanding on that post.
 
2012-04-12 11:23:36 AM
Oh please, please attack her. It won't hurt her and will rally lots of women. It also makes Michelle fair game and she's got a lot more to attack. So carry on you big tough liberals I think Ann Romney can take it..
 
2012-04-12 11:23:58 AM

badaboom: Mercutio74: badaboom: DROxINxTHExWIND: badaboom: DROxINxTHExWIND: skullkrusher: badaboom: Does money from your paycheck go to support the Ann Romneys of the world? Do the Ann Romneys of the world have more children they can't afford so their check is bigger? Try comparing Apples to Apples, not Apples to Orangatans.

forget about Ann Romneys, does anyone do that?

I think he's saying that black people do that. Of course, if raising kids is suddenly exactly like getting a job, then we all need to re-evaluate how we speak about welfare moms. They're the hardest working people in the country according to Republicans.

So the assumption is that when we are talking about welfare mothers it must be about blacks even though the majority of welfare moms are white? Nowhere do I mention race.

I wasn't sure, but this is Fark. If it was not your intent, allow me to be the first to apologize.

Thanks. The point was off track anyhow. Someone mentioned welfare moms and said they were working as hard as nonwelfare moms. There is nothing inherently wrong with being a welfare mom, but it is a fact that they are getting money from the government. While both a welfare mom and a nonwelfare mom are both working hard one is doing so independent of assistance from our paychecks. And yes, you could make arguments about mortgage deductions etc. I was only trying to counter the point. And the apples to apples thing was purely coincidental, but I can see how that would read to someone.

I don't know when the fark Fark started to get all civil and shiat but... I kinda like it.

Unfortunately, since the campaign's really just getting underway, I'm not sure it'll last..

We all make asinine assumptions about each other, often based on stereotype. Sometimes it truly is just for the Lulz.


spoke like a true Jew-Aleut
 
2012-04-12 11:24:11 AM

Mercutio74:
I don't know when the fark Fark started to get all civil and shiat but... I kinda like it.

Unfortunately, since the campaign's really just getting underway, I'm not sure it'll last..


Oh, I'm sure I'll call him a motherless, rat soup eating, neocon before the election is over. But allow us to bask in the civility for a moment.
 
2012-04-12 11:24:18 AM

MorrisBird: Ann Romney has multiple sclerosis and is a cancer survivor. She's married to a Mormon robot and raised five boys. She is not fair game. Neither is Michelle Obama. Back off. The War on Women is palpable and it needs to stop with the progressives. End of sermon.


This bears repeating.
 
2012-04-12 11:25:02 AM

The Great EZE: keylock71: Jackson Herring: keylock71: I'm not making light of what she's done in her life, mind you, but the working poor and middle classes deal with things the Romneys have never had to. That's just a fact.

Wait, are you saying that Ann Romney for example never had to skip meals to buy her kids new school clothes? Never had to choose between paying rent or paying the electric bill?

Heh...

I remember my mother crying because she didn't have enough money to buy my asthma medication and buy groceries for the week. My asshole of a father was on the hook for a whopping $70 a month in child support, which he regularly failed to send her. And despite that, she never talked shiat about my dad in front of us and made sure we had some sort of a relationship with the man.

She picked up a second job at night to get extra money for my sister and I to be able to take part in school sports and after school activities, and she never once complained about it in front of my sister and I.

When Ann Romney's had to deal with that, I might be interested in her thoughts on women's issues.

My mother had similar issues. If there's one thing we can give Ann Romney credit for it's making us appreciate our mothers just a little bit more today.


Fair enough... Maybe I'm a little bit sensitive on this issue due to my own history, but, goddamn, my blood boils when the wealthy, pampered elites of this country try to compare their experiences with the working poor and middle classes as if they're even remotely comparable.

People like the Romneys and their pampered, trust fund children wouldn't piss on people like my family if we were on fire if they didn't want to convince us to vote for them...
 
2012-04-12 11:26:11 AM
I always scratch my head about when I hear the "I chose to stay at home and raise my kids, that's why I couldn't work" thing. Okay, we get it, you stayed at home until the kids were old enough to go to school, makes sense. Yup, that's hard work. But after that, why exactly were you staying at home while the kids were in class? What were you doing between 8 and 3:30 every day? You're a rich chick--you weren't cleaning or anything like that.

Just admit that during the day you have been shopping, getting massages, going to fancy lunches and catching up on your stories for the last 20 years.
 
2012-04-12 11:26:33 AM
DROxINxTHExWIND: So, we're no longer Obamabots who blindly follow "The One". Thats good to know. Republicans are like an irrational girlfriend. Sometimes its best to drop it and let your girl think she's won than to double down, even when you're right. I've said there is nothing wrong with being a stay-at-home mom.

You have no problem with stay at home moms. Well, that's good. But you also keep saying that Romney never had a job. So, once again, do you understand that raising kids is a lot of work? That it is a job?
 
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