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2012-04-12 01:13:58 PM
5 votes:
Why in the hell isn't the horrible Keanu Reeves version of "Day the Earth Stood Still" on the list? Or Spielberg's "War of the Worlds"?
2012-04-12 11:29:46 AM
4 votes:

Ennuipoet: DammitIForgotMyLogin: Battlefield Earth doesn't belong on that list.

I am unsure as to how to see this comment, either you are being facetious, you have never seen the movie, or you are a Scientologist. (There is a minute possibility you are John Travolta but, I am going to assume this not to be the case.)


In order for it to qualify as a 'disappointment', people would have to have expected it to be something other than a steaming pile of horsecrap before they went in to see it.
2012-04-12 04:49:22 PM
3 votes:

extroverted_suicide: Considering it was disappointing movies, not crappy movies, I submit:

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The first act was such a great scifi film and character study, then it just devolved into a forgettable monster movie. With a lame monster.


In that case I'll bring up this:

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Arguably a better example of the same exact problem. Compelling sci-fi devolved into completely lame horror.
2012-04-12 11:17:25 AM
3 votes:
I don't think its fair to I Am Legend to put it on that list. It's easily the best of those 20 movies. There's a difference between a movie being a "disappointment" and just not being as good as it could have been. I was still satisfied with it.
2012-04-12 05:12:41 PM
2 votes:
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2012-04-12 04:52:00 PM
2 votes:
The problem with Matrix Reloaded is that all the action scenes do nothing to advance the plot.

They get in a huge car chase to rescue the Key Master so they can unlock a door to talk to the Architect.

The Architect tells Neo he has a choice: save Trinity, or save the Matrix.
Neo saves Trinity. Nothing happens to the Matrix.

We find out Neo can manipulate reality outside the Matrix, leading the audience to believe that maybe there's a Matrix within a Matrix.

None of these events are ever mentioned again.

The entire movie is a speedbump.
2012-04-12 04:37:13 PM
2 votes:
thank god there is only one Highlander movie.
2012-04-12 04:35:42 PM
2 votes:
Considering it was disappointing movies, not crappy movies, I submit:

www.wildaboutmovies.com

The first act was such a great scifi film and character study, then it just devolved into a forgettable monster movie. With a lame monster.
2012-04-12 02:43:04 PM
2 votes:
There was nothing disappointing about Species NSFW

And Alien 3 was pointless. Over stylized version of the first film with really bad stop motion FX.
2012-04-12 02:24:39 PM
2 votes:
Alien Resurrection was horrible. Alien3 was a superb movie, and here is why:

For as much as people chide Alien3 for being "bad", it fit the trilogy of Ripley's story in the following way.

Alien - this movie was about fear. Fear and being isolated.
Aliens - this movie was about anger. Anger and being free.
Alien 3 - this movie was about despair. Despair and knowing your end.

Fear, Anger, Despair. People wanted fear and anger in Alien 3. It didn't belong there. It was the perfect cap to Ripley's story, as it essentially was the biological fark you that the entire arc was pointing at in the first place. In addition to being ultimately screwed by a queen infection, she had to deal with human beings who, until the plot started moving, were as dangerous to her as the alien itself.

I know people give Fincher a lot of shiat for Alien3. Personally I think it completes the story in the best way possible.
2012-04-12 01:49:12 PM
2 votes:
No Superman Returns? None of the batman movies; not even one?! Catwoman? I'd say most of those were worse than I Am Legend and equally 'disappointing'.

And no, John Carter shouldn't be added to the list. That was a good movie that got a bad rap.
2012-04-12 01:45:04 PM
2 votes:
My list (in no particular order):

Star Wars: Episode 1
Star Wars: Episode 2
Star Wars: Episode 3
Starship Troopers
Battlefield Earth
Hackers
Any sequel to Jurassic Park (people were eaten there - stop going back you farking morons)
Any Hulk movies
Wild Wild West (frankly never should have been made)
Spiderman 3
Fantastic Four movies
Superman reboot (how do you fark up superman)
XMen 3 (how do you fark up Xmen?)
Waterworld (you based your movie on something completely impossible)
Indiana Jones 4 (SUCK. FEST.)
Pretty much anything made by Michael Bay.
2012-04-12 01:29:07 PM
2 votes:
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Missing from list.
2012-04-12 10:39:51 PM
1 votes:

GOB: I personally cannot wait until Hollywood farks up Forever War and Revelation Space.


America was barely ready for gay cowboys. Not sure if theyre ready for gay astronaut soldiers.
2012-04-12 10:21:16 PM
1 votes:
A few other thoughts:

1) If Johnny Mnemonic "deserved" a better adaptation, then Gibson only has himself to blame considering he wrote the freakin' screenplay. As it is, the movie's okay. It's too campy and has a lead who can't emote (in fairness to Keanu, he is often unintentionally funny in the movie), but it's not terrible.

2) Ditto on Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy (Adams wrote it), which I actually thought was pretty good. You've never going to be able to completely capture everything people loved about a novel on screen, particularly one that was so memorable for its use of language, but it mostly gets the tone right, I think.

3) Maybe 95% of the complaints I've heard about HHGTTG and Watchmen have been along the lines of "it wasn't as good as the book," or "it wasn't how I imagined it." The first is certainly a valid criticism, however I think these kind of films need to be judged on their merits first and the faithfulness of the adaptation second. Watchmen was a lot smarter than most action films and while that may be faint praise, it's still praise. Particularly considering the fact that Zach Synder directed it. I think it's a sad irony that had it been developed in the 80s, the film most likely would have been a complete bastardization of the source material, yet the movie we actually got now is criticized for being too faithful.

4) I think the Matrix sequels contain enough good ideas and action sequences for one good movie, which IIRC was the original plan. I actually like that Neo's godhood is turned on its head at the end of the second film, and like one poster above, I assumed that his ability to affect the machines in the "real world" was similar to and a natural evolution of his apparently not quite human abilities in the Matrix. If Neo could bend the Matrix to his will, he could certainly access the machine city network remotely (a la Angela Mitchell in Gibson's Mona Lisa Overdrive) and disable Sentinels, etc. The problem with the sequels is that they're too big, and that all the new stuff that thrown at us isn't interesting. Almost the Zion chaff and new supporting characters could be removed with little to no effect on Neo's story. Ditto on the fight scenes, most of which are overlong, feel perfunctory and are completely tensionless. The "philosophy" scenes could also be cut back without comprising that aspect of the films, I think. Basically it all feels like padding to stretch the story out over two movies, especially considering how little happens from a narrative perspective in Reloaded.
2012-04-12 10:01:46 PM
1 votes:

ZantiMisfit:

The humans have no point in the movies other than to exist and insert some dialog into what would otherwise be an entirely speechless film. There is really no way around this.

I think it could be done well, but only if the move was set around the time of Aliens, like the AvP games were. If the humans were Colonial Marines, it would make a huge difference in how the three species interacted and would create a much more interesting triangle.



I was always hoping for something like the arcade beat 'em up. Aliens invade a core human world and some predators show up to hunt them. shiat goes down, and the humans and predators team up to eradicate the aliens.
2012-04-12 08:30:14 PM
1 votes:

DammitIForgotMyLogin: Battlefield Earth doesn't belong on that list.


That is true. It can't be a disappointment if everyone knew it was going to suck.

That movie sucked.
But to be fair the book sucked.
2012-04-12 08:14:10 PM
1 votes:
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Start with a script so heavily borrowed from past enviro-wack scripts, yet so addled with contrived logic and gaping plot holes that not even Siffy would touch it. Next add an $800 million dollar budget built on the promise of gimmicky CGI 3D. Then, funnel in the sheep until it sets every box office record evar.

Spartacus meets Empire Strikes Back meets The Hunger Games couldn't match the hype machine behind this poorly conceived and executed mess. As such, the list fails.
2012-04-12 08:12:28 PM
1 votes:

Apos: FourBlackBars: [upload.wikimedia.org image 200x297]

*Sigh* Quite unfortunate for a nearly flawless page-to-screen adaptation. How bitterly ironic.


And that was the problem with it. Comics and film are different media each with its own conventions of story telling. If the film had been less faithful, it would have been much better.

Remember the great scene when Rorschach is in line at the prison and brutally dispatches some thugs. His terrifying scream of "Im not locked in here with you, youre locked in here with me!" gave so much power and hard boiled furry it was awesome.

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And then the film, in literally the next scene, has Rorschach talking to a midget named Big Figure who then proceeds to waste screen time and kills momentum like giant airbrake. All to introduce a laughable mini-villian who is dead in minutes.

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Cut out that whole scene, cut out that whole Big Figure character, and its a zillion times better. And Watchmen was filled with dumb dumb garbage just like that.

If they had made a film for the people who didnt wait inline for a midnight showing, Watchmen would have been 30 minutes shorter and 8 times better.

Why its not on this list amazes me. My guess is that the author didnt want to have his email flooded with RAGE and picked some pretty easy targets.
2012-04-12 08:08:30 PM
1 votes:

Subdue their bellies: The film version of Aeon Flux was disappointing. Loved the animated shorts on liquid television, but the movie just fell flat.


Seriously. That had to be the single most disappointing sci-fi film I've ever seen. Not the worst necessarily, but it had nothing of the source material to make it good.
2012-04-12 07:32:42 PM
1 votes:
The worst part about "Lost in Space" is it could be such an amazing vehicle for great stories. Imagine a modern day rendition with decent special effects and writing of the caliber of BSG.
2012-04-12 07:00:08 PM
1 votes:
Hey big shocker- Joss Whedon's name is on one of the movies. Even Kevin Costner would shake his head at Whedon's list of terribly written projects that don't live up to a tenth of the hype that surrounds them and say "Damn! Who the hell did he blow?"
2012-04-12 06:20:43 PM
1 votes:

dittybopper: FeedTheCollapse: my thing is that though Alien 3 is a mess, it at least somewhat makes sense even if it's completely unnecessary.

Actually, I think that Alien3 is a pretty darn good capstone on a trilogy, and they should have left Ripley dead and buried.

Alien3 gets a bad rap, probably because both Newt and Hicks get killed before it even starts, and even Ripley ends up dying. It was more a return to the style of the first film than of the second, and setting it on a prison colony was a plausible enough reason to not have the weapons or personnel capable of dealing with a single Xenomorph. It wasn't an action film like the second one. More suspense, like the first.

It's not a *PERFECT* film, by any means, and it's not as good as Aliens, but it's a decent enough film in it's own right, and like I said, a perfect capstone to a trilogy.


Frankly, given Alien3's tortured production history, it's amazing that the film turned out as good as it did. The main problem, as David Giler pointed out, is that the move's not scary, and that it failed to meet audience expectations about where the story was going, particularly regarding Hicks/Newt. It's also obviously mostly a rehash of the first film. I think they should have mostly kept Vincent Ward's original idea of a monastery in space, and simply jettisoned the wooden planet and some of his wilder ideas. As it is, the film suffers from not having more developed and sympathetic characters. It's quite hard to become emotionally involved when your "protagonists" are a bunch of barely distinguishable rapists and murderers.

All that being said, I'm still impressed with a lot of Alien3. Sigourney's great in it, as are Charles Dutton and Charles Dance. Visually it's a stunning film, with a great Elliot Goldenthal score to boot. It's also the only one of the Alien sequels that Giger worked on. Tonally, it's consistent with the first two films as opposed to Alien Resurrection, which I felt was mired by a kind of jokey black comedy and comic book swagger to the characters. Finally, I'll agree that you have to see the trilogy as "Ripley's story" to like Alien3, as it's much more concerned with her character and the conclusion of her story than with the Alien itself. As such, the film's doesn't devolve into self-parody and excess the way so many later sequels do.
2012-04-12 05:49:25 PM
1 votes:
I'm too lazy to scan this whole thread to see if anyone has already covered this, so I will just say it.

"Disappointment" means, "I thought this was going to be so much better than it actually was." There were too many movies on that list that NO ONE was expecting good things from, EVER. Those movies are:

Judge Dredd
Phantom Menace
BATTLEFIELD EARTH
Mission to Mars
Ghosts of Mars (has there EVER been a movie worth seeing about the planet Mars (and yes, even Mars Attacks, though it had its moments)
Alien vs. Predator
Alien vs. Predator 2

If you were anxiously awaiting ANY of the aforementioned movies, expecting cinematic glory, you have really low standards.
2012-04-12 05:42:30 PM
1 votes:

bdub77: My list (in no particular order):

Star Wars: Episode 1
Star Wars: Episode 2
Star Wars: Episode 3
Starship Troopers
Battlefield Earth
Hackers
Any sequel to Jurassic Park (people were eaten there - stop going back you farking morons)
Any Hulk movies
Wild Wild West (frankly never should have been made)
Spiderman 3
Fantastic Four movies
Superman reboot (how do you fark up superman)
XMen 3 (how do you fark up Xmen?)
Waterworld (you based your movie on something completely impossible)
Indiana Jones 4 (SUCK. FEST.)
Pretty much anything made by Michael Bay.


I liked Hackers. I don't understand the hate for this movie. You just have to realize that it's science FICTION and nothing more. I thought it was entertaining.
2012-04-12 05:37:13 PM
1 votes:

SpoilerAlert: After watching the series again, I sort of agree with it being very disappointing. It's a rushed send off that provides poor closure to a lot of things brought up in the series, with the biggest surprise being that River was really Buffy the Vampire Slayer the whole time. Is Book more than a Shepard? Who cares, he's dead. Will Wash and Zooey have a child together? Nope, dead. Reavers? 30k people who are completely batshiat, mindlessly crazy thanks to an experiment gone wrong, but not so much that they can't work together or fly spaceships. Also possibly the worst government cover up, ever.


The movie was pretty much a middle finger to everyone who wanted to see the TV series revived, though I thought if they ever did revive it they should start it with Jayne waking up with a hangover telling the crew how he just had the most farked up dream ever.
2012-04-12 05:30:37 PM
1 votes:

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Just leaving this one here...

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Just leaving this one here...

1/10


After watching the series again, I sort of agree with it being very disappointing. It's a rushed send off that provides poor closure to a lot of things brought up in the series, with the biggest surprise being that River was really Buffy the Vampire Slayer the whole time. Is Book more than a Shepard? Who cares, he's dead. Will Wash and Zooey have a child together? Nope, dead. Reavers? 30k people who are completely batshiat, mindlessly crazy thanks to an experiment gone wrong, but not so much that they can't work together or fly spaceships. Also possibly the worst government cover up, ever.
2012-04-12 05:30:08 PM
1 votes:

ZantiMisfit: The problem with Matrix Reloaded is that all the action scenes do nothing to advance the plot.

They get in a huge car chase to rescue the Key Master so they can unlock a door to talk to the Architect.

The Architect tells Neo he has a choice: save Trinity, or save the Matrix.
Neo saves Trinity. Nothing happens to the Matrix.

We find out Neo can manipulate reality outside the Matrix, leading the audience to believe that maybe there's a Matrix within a Matrix.

None of these events are ever mentioned again.

The entire movie is a speedbump.


I think the thing that was supposed to happen to the Matrix was that Smith would take over necessitating a shut down of the system. Neo's technomancy at the end of 2 seems to me to be an extension of his status as the One. If he can see and manipulate the code within the Matrix, then it makes sense that he can at least see the machine code in the real world.

Reloaded was a decent film which was betrayed by the Architect scene and the fact that Neo was downgraded from being a god in the machine to being a flying kung fu master. Revolutions fell apart thanks to the Trainman garbage and the infinite dancing Smiths, but the race to Zion and machine battle sequences were pretty good.
2012-04-12 05:29:13 PM
1 votes:
as far as personal disappointments, I really never understood the hype around Children of Men. Its lack of subtlety ("OMG, they referenced Pink Floyd's 'Animals'. This movie is so deep!") just made it extremely goofy. It'll be a "great" movie that won't hold up well at all.


not Sci-Fi, but "Drive" was also another movie that got an inexplicable amount of acclaim that was disappointing. Somewhere inside the movie, there is a germ of a good film, but it was either radically edited from its original version or it was a 40 minute filmed stretched out to 90+ minutes. Either way, it felt like Playskool's "My First Art Film" with a crappy soundtrack.
2012-04-12 05:24:53 PM
1 votes:

extroverted_suicide: Considering it was disappointing movies, not crappy movies, I submit:

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The first act was such a great scifi film and character study, then it just devolved into a forgettable monster movie. With a lame monster.


this this and more this
when will the farktards in hollywood stop equating scifi and monster/horror movie?
for the love of god please stop
please stop
please stop
2012-04-12 05:21:16 PM
1 votes:
Godzilla (1998) wasn't awful, it's just ridiculously generic. If it had been named anything else it might have been an ok monster movie. But as it stands it comes off little more than a King Kong / Jurassic Park hybrid that used the Godzilla name as a selling point. There were also the stupid French jokes, the Siskel and Ebert stuff, and the humor centered on the name of the main protagonist that detracted from the flow of the film.

The First Matrix did everything right and never should have been made into a trilogy. I went to see Reloaded with high expectations and because of the experience I had with that film I still have yet to watch Revolutions.

About 4 months prior to the release of I am Legend I started turning people on to the book, which is one of my all-time favorites. Not only was I disappointed but also had inadvertently set up several of my friends for an extreme let down by the film. I wasn't expecting an Oscar worthy adaptation from what was essentially a summer action film, but they could have at least tried to incorporate the themes of the book. Really this movie suffers from the same problem Godzilla does, they swiped a known name for a generic monster movie.
2012-04-12 05:17:08 PM
1 votes:

MithrandirBooga: Oh I would like to preemptively add Total Recall (2012) to this list.


Been looking forward to it for years. But then they announced Colin Farrell. Then I saw the trailer. It's going to be disappointing.

/johnnycab


the real indicator of quality is Kate Beckinsale. I know people like to go on about how hot she is, but she stars in nothing but terrible movies. It's like if Scarlett Johansson had a terrible agent.
2012-04-12 05:01:26 PM
1 votes:

ZantiMisfit: The problem with Matrix Reloaded is that all the action scenes do nothing to advance the plot.

They get in a huge car chase to rescue the Key Master so they can unlock a door to talk to the Architect.

The Architect tells Neo he has a choice: save Trinity, or save the Matrix.
Neo saves Trinity. Nothing happens to the Matrix.

We find out Neo can manipulate reality outside the Matrix, leading the audience to believe that maybe there's a Matrix within a Matrix.

None of these events are ever mentioned again.

The entire movie is a speedbump.



Pretty much. The car chase and the Agent Smith brawl scene were the first time I think I ever stopped paying attention to a movie in the middle of an action sequence. Those movies insisted upon themselves.
2012-04-12 04:59:24 PM
1 votes:
Oh I would like to preemptively add Total Recall (2012) to this list.


Been looking forward to it for years. But then they announced Colin Farrell. Then I saw the trailer. It's going to be disappointing.

/johnnycab
2012-04-12 04:43:01 PM
1 votes:
I liked Johnny Mnemonic
2012-04-12 04:25:19 PM
1 votes:
I think I might be one of five people on the planet that actually liked Fincher's Alien III.
2012-04-12 04:23:38 PM
1 votes:

dittybopper: Apos: I liked I Am Legend and Alien vs Predator(the camp factor of the latter being part of its charm). There. I said it.

I've watched both AvP films, and I think the second is better than the first, but even the first is OK. Nothing to write home about, but like you said, kind of campy fun.

Hopefully, Prometheus will do for the Alien franchise what Predators did for the Predator franchise, and we can get some kind of new and improved AvP film in the future.




I disagree with the premise that an AvP film could ever be well done.

The Alien franchise is about humans overcoming an extremely strong and feral alien beast.
The Predator franchise is about humans overcoming an extremely advanced and deadly alien hunter.

Similar, most definitely. But the problem is that of the three races represented in the triangle, the audiences can only understand one of them; the weakest of the three. It is literally impossible to show Alien vs Predator drama in a live action film without inserting a human element into the fray, which will almost certainly feel out of place or contrived; pretty much exactly how AvP 1+2 both turned out.

The humans have no point in the movies other than to exist and insert some dialog into what would otherwise be an entirely speechless film. There is really no way around this.
2012-04-12 03:50:03 PM
1 votes:
Inasmuch as it introduced aliens from the Planet Zeist, I think Highlander II has to go at the VERY top of this list and needs its jersey retired as the all-time leader and obvious top pick for any and all lists of "disappointing" movies
2012-04-12 03:39:41 PM
1 votes:

Cagey B: No A.I.?


That movie wouldn't have been so bad if it ended about 15 minutes sooner. I think the epilogue bit really killed it.
2012-04-12 03:14:19 PM
1 votes:

dittybopper: FeedTheCollapse: my thing is that though Alien 3 is a mess, it at least somewhat makes sense even if it's completely unnecessary.

Actually, I think that Alien3 is a pretty darn good capstone on a trilogy, and they should have left Ripley dead and buried.

Alien3 gets a bad rap, probably because both Newt and Hicks get killed before it even starts, and even Ripley ends up dying. It was more a return to the style of the first film than of the second, and setting it on a prison colony was a plausible enough reason to not have the weapons or personnel capable of dealing with a single Xenomorph. It wasn't an action film like the second one. More suspense, like the first.

It's not a *PERFECT* film, by any means, and it's not as good as Aliens, but it's a decent enough film in it's own right, and like I said, a perfect capstone to a trilogy.




I think Alien 3 gets a bad rap because it obviously went through a lot of rewrites/reshooting and it felt like an extended epilogue to Aliens that basically just said "fark you!" to the previous film. I don't really have a problem with Ripley's death so much as the rest of the film not really being pulled off very well so it kind of feels like her death is one final slap in the face. Maybe if the film hadn't picked up almost immediately after the first film and been its own separate entity of sorts, it probably would've been a bit better.

Alien 3 isn't bad, but it is significantly worse than the 2 previous films.

Fascination with Alien Resurrection seems to come solely for Whedon Fanboys (see also: David Lynch's Dune. I like David Lynch, I like Dune, but the movie was a mess outside of a few Lynchian ideas.). Maybe taken on its own from someone who's never seen the previous 3 (or first 2) movies, it's decent. But taken as part of a franchise and its pretty terrible.
2012-04-12 03:12:16 PM
1 votes:
The best actor in I Am Legend was the dog.

/Had to go see it to listen to Mike Patton
2012-04-12 02:56:57 PM
1 votes:
Sucker Punch,Waterworld and Spider-Man 3 are missing from an already decent compilation of cinematic misfires.
2012-04-12 02:45:51 PM
1 votes:

dittybopper: Hopefully, Prometheus will do for the Alien franchise what Predators did for the Predator franchise, and we can get some kind of new and improved AvP film in the future.



There you go again.

I'll keep my "franchises" to fast food, thanks.

You got Predator in my Alien! (sing along) Two great tastes that taste like crap together!

/opinions, I has them
2012-04-12 02:33:30 PM
1 votes:

wraith95: Treygreen13: Carth: The original ending is available on DVD (and here (new window) online). They weren't even that radical to make Will Smith the bad guy. They just showed the reason the vampires were attacking his house was because he was (unknowingly) holding the Alpha's girlfriend hostage. They get her back, have a heartfelt reunion, and leave. Smith fails to find a cure and drives off looking for other survivors.

They fail to set that ending up throughout the whole movie, though. If they don't dedicate the first hour and 20 minutes of the movie to the vampire things constantly attacking him and turning his loyal dog companion, maybe the audience might feel better with the 2nd ending. I thought it was a failure in the first part that made the ending bad.

Did we not see the same movie? He's not attacked by them until after he steals the girl. Not to mention by the time the film starts he's captured and killed dozens of them.


Firstly, the viewer doesn't know that the vampires are after her, they just see them attacking at night and infected vampire dogs killing Will's best friend. Secondly, the way he lures the girl is by putting a vial of blood out for her to attack and then fall into the trap - indicating that the vampires ARE out to get anyone who isn't also a vampire.

They don't set it up so that you feel bad for the girl, or that you feel like he's tormenting THEM. Which is why the test audience didn't come to that conclusion in the 5 seconds they get to "understand" that all this time the hyperventilating ultra-violent beings that are a product of a virus killing off 90% of humanity and ruthlessly hunting the survivors, and have been ripping the roof off the house for the last 20 minutes are actually just nice happy cured cancer patients trying to get their girlfriend back.
2012-04-12 02:23:18 PM
1 votes:

That coward David Lopan: I think Matrix: Revolutions was a bigger disappointment than Reloaded. When I first saw it, I thought, "Okay, this was a little weak, but it could be building up to a huge 3 act." Then they took all that potential and flushed it down the drain.

/Also, I am Legend was decent. Shouldn't be on that list. But, MIB 2 should be.


I agree with all of this. The fanboys wuved the violence of Revolutions, though, so...... And yet, if they didn't have the Matrix name on top, they'd still be solid movies. They just didn't work after the ending of the original Matrix.

I am Legend is always watchable, I even forgive the lame CGIness of the darkseekers. That movie would have been much better if we NEVER saw the darkseekers, except like a body part here or there. The interplay between Will and Samantha saved that movie, and raised it above a whole bunch of shiat.

MiB2 was mailed in. Still, it's not the worst of the worst.
2012-04-12 02:20:37 PM
1 votes:

Bathia_Mapes: Why in the hell isn't the horrible Keanu Reeves version of "Day the Earth Stood Still" on the list? Or Spielberg's "War of the Worlds"?


I actually really liked Day the Earth Stood Still. Keanu was perfectly cast as an emotionless alien, the effects were solid, and the plot was a good send-up of the original.

War of the Worlds, however, was crap.
2012-04-12 02:17:43 PM
1 votes:
I will never knock Species. Too much yummy Natasha nudity in there.
2012-04-12 02:17:12 PM
1 votes:
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The one reason Lost in Space does not deserve to be on that list.
2012-04-12 02:16:41 PM
1 votes:

groppet: Carth: DamnYankees: I don't think its fair to I Am Legend to put it on that list. It's easily the best of those 20 movies. There's a difference between a movie being a "disappointment" and just not being as good as it could have been. I was still satisfied with it.

Had they not called it "I Am Legend" it would have been a good sci fi movie. Instead they bastardized the source material and took away all meaning from the title which ruined it for anyone going in expecting to see the story made into a film.

Didnt they change stuff in the movie when the test audience hated the fact that the whole time Wil Smith was the bad guy technically.


yes, and the alternate ending is much better, at least to me. The theatrical ending just ignores all the evidence that the infected were still intelligent and adds that horrid bit of christian pandering. The alternate does not, and leaves open the possibility that the woman was simply slightly crazy. For those who haven't seen it (new window)
2012-04-12 02:14:39 PM
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FeedTheCollapse: my thing is that though Alien 3 is a mess, it at least somewhat makes sense even if it's completely unnecessary.


Actually, I think that Alien3 is a pretty darn good capstone on a trilogy, and they should have left Ripley dead and buried.

Alien3 gets a bad rap, probably because both Newt and Hicks get killed before it even starts, and even Ripley ends up dying. It was more a return to the style of the first film than of the second, and setting it on a prison colony was a plausible enough reason to not have the weapons or personnel capable of dealing with a single Xenomorph. It wasn't an action film like the second one. More suspense, like the first.

It's not a *PERFECT* film, by any means, and it's not as good as Aliens, but it's a decent enough film in it's own right, and like I said, a perfect capstone to a trilogy.
2012-04-12 02:04:24 PM
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One Bad Apple: No "Watchmen" ?


Also I wouldn't call "Lost in Space" a disappointment. It sucked exactly as expected.


dittybopper: . The science is better.


Godzilla was a male but still lays eggs ? You fail science forever.


1. The *ASSUMPTION* was that he was a male, but it wasn't necessarily so. There is no reason the creature couldn't have been female from the very beginning. They used male pronouns when talking about "him", but there is no explanation that he's a male that's laying eggs, other than Dr. Tatopoulos saying "He's a she!".

2. Sequential Hermaphroditism: Some animals can change from male to female, or vice versa, depending on environmental pressures.

3. Parthenogenesis: Some female lizards can produce offspring asexually, in the absence of a suitable male.

So yeah, there is a plausible explanation for a lizard to produce offspring asexually, and even if Godzilla was *INITIALLY* a male, there is a plausible explanation for "him" turning female.

It's even *EXPLAINED* in the movie, albeit in simple terms.

Now, I realize they don't teach that kind of stuff in grade school science classes, but I'm pretty sure it's covered in high school biology, and certainly they do in college level biology courses.
2012-04-12 01:53:26 PM
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FeedTheCollapse: verbaltoxin: Terminator: Salvation. What a giant, nonsensical pile of horse crap.

I would also add that I'm surprised the 2nd and 3rd Matrix movie don't have more of a cult following. To me, Reloaded felt like the Wachowskis buying into their own hype and making a glorified fanfiction, but I thought that would at least appeal to someone. Otherwise, the only really defense I've seen of the sequels is a half-hearted "well, they aren't that bad."

I may one day get around to seeing Revolutions, but it doesn't sound like an enticing prospect even when I see HBO airing it.


Yeah thats me. The second(on this list) was great for fans. It tied in the animatrix and some of its sub plots, had a good cliff hanger, great action and fight sequences, and explored what the Matrix really is and how it contains humans.

third one sucked and for some reason the second one gets clumped with it.
2012-04-12 01:48:36 PM
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DamnYankees: I don't think its fair to I Am Legend to put it on that list. It's easily the best of those 20 movies. There's a difference between a movie being a "disappointment" and just not being as good as it could have been. I was still satisfied with it.


Had they not called it "I Am Legend" it would have been a good sci fi movie. Instead they bastardized the source material and took away all meaning from the title which ruined it for anyone going in expecting to see the story made into a film.
2012-04-12 01:48:16 PM
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bdub77: Waterworld (you based your movie on something completely impossible)


Yet "The Core" didn't make your list?

Now that was a terrible, terrible movie.
2012-04-12 01:46:33 PM
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The film version of Aeon Flux was disappointing. Loved the animated shorts on liquid television, but the movie just fell flat.
2012-04-12 01:40:24 PM
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I will agree with the writer on one thing: in "Species" the frequently-disrobed Natasha Henstridge did not disappoint.
2012-04-12 01:39:05 PM
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Terminator: Salvation. What a giant, nonsensical pile of horse crap.
2012-04-12 01:33:25 PM
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Treygreen13: Bathia_Mapes: Why in the hell isn't the horrible Keanu Reeves version of "Day the Earth Stood Still" on the list? Or Spielberg's "War of the Worlds"?

Did you mean "War of the AAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"?

I think that was the name of that one. It would more accurately describe most of the sounds you hear coming out of the little girl for half the film.


I will give that movie one thing: the sound effects used for the aliens was pretty badass. Scared the crap outta me when I first heard it. The noise the Reapers make in ME3 is pretty close to what it sounded like.

But damn if Dakota Fanning's incessant screaming didn't ruin the whole damn thing.
2012-04-12 01:33:02 PM
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One of the finest sci-fi novels ever written, HG Wells' 19th century masterpiece Island of Dr. Moreau deserves an adaptation that faithfully captures its horrifying tone. At the very least, it deserves a better adaptation than this star-laden misfire, which history has noted as one of the most disaster-laden film productions on record. British director Richard Stanley started with good intentions, but was quickly fired when Val Kilmer began to ask for script revisions (for reasons best known to himself, he wanted to reduce the time his protagonist spent on screen by 40 per cent) and the first few days' rushes failed to satisfy the studio. Seasoned director John Frankenheimer was brought in as a replacement, but the resulting film was an utter mess: horrifying, but not for the same reasons as the book. Sadly, the film's famously messy shoot will probably put off any other studio or filmmaker who might otherwise have made their own adaptation of Wells' haunting fiction.

Dear sci-fi-cinema "fail" expert: recycling well-worn tales of how difficult Val Kilmer is does not bolster your contention that the movie was an aesthetic failure.

I will defend Frankenheimer's Moreau to the death.
2012-04-12 01:22:32 PM
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Quasar: I kinda like Johnny Mnemonic


Johnny Mnemonic is fun in a batshiat crazy kind of way, I think if it didn't have Gibson's name attached to it, it might be considered campy fun (along the same lines as Hackers maybe).

John Carter strangely missing from this list (especially given the original book's status as one of the foundational works of SF)
2012-04-12 01:19:30 PM
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Yo I'm really happy with your list, and Imma let you finish, but Mass Effect 3 had the worst sci-fi ending of all time. OF ALL TIME.
2012-04-12 12:23:47 PM
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I kinda like Johnny Mnemonic and even Judge Dredd despite their many, many flaws. Ron Perlman made Alien Res watchable.

Holy gods, Alien vs. Predator is an awful, awful thing. I'd rather take a chestburster through the ass than watch another one.
2012-04-12 11:25:28 AM
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DammitIForgotMyLogin: Battlefield Earth doesn't belong on that list.


I am unsure as to how to see this comment, either you are being facetious, you have never seen the movie, or you are a Scientologist. (There is a minute possibility you are John Travolta but, I am going to assume this not to be the case.)
2012-04-12 10:45:23 AM
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Ghosts of Mars had an excellent soundtrack.
2012-04-12 08:13:05 AM
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I've got to disagree with the Godzilla one: They *ONLY* reason it gets a bad name is that it carries the baggage of all the Godzilla films that came before it, and in fact it's superior to almost all of the traditional Godzilla films, with the exception of the first one. Even there, the 1998 version is superior in many ways to the original 1954 version, and not just in special effects. The science is better.

And I say this as a fan of Eiji Tsuburaya's work.

/Grew up watching Godzilla movies and Ultraman.
 
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