FTFA:And it may all stem from the hunter-gatherer instincts of macho men - which are a hangover of out cavemen origins when the strongest ruled the roost.


OK, listen up, dipshiats. The idea that hunter-gatherers were dominated by hulking, muscle-bound manly men is farking retarded. Modern hunter-gatherer tribes don't operate that way, and there's no evidence to suggest that ancient ones did, either.

Hunter-gatherers tend to live in small, peaceful, collaborative, egalitarian societies where conflict is firmly discouraged and collaboration highly encouraged. When you don't really own property, don't stay in one place very long, and have an adequate supply of food and sex, the idea of violence and war is pretty f*cking stupid. What are you going to do, go take somebody's baskets??

Agrarians (aka *WE*) are the violent dickheads.

azazyel: I'd really, really recommend this book to learn about the Pre-Columbus Natives.


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Oh thank god somebody brought some sanity to this discussion.

Nobody can pigeon hole the native peoples of the Americas. It wasn't as simple as 'hunter gatherer' or 'confederacy' or what not. They were as varied a peoples, cultures, languages, as any other continent. You had far flung empires, cave dwellers, canal builders, foragers, traders, and on and on. And if you really want to know what ended up conquering America, look no further than the book "War of the Worlds". The answer? Disease.

As for the idea of 'strong men' voting conservative, I always thought the ideal conservative voter was an older male, well past his prime, who clung to some sort of strength inducing belief of some perverted view of a mainstream religion to help give himself a feeling of still being young and virile. He may or may not also have a ton of worthless sh*t that symbolizes this.

society should be geared to personal struggle and self-preservation

This is an illusion that is being offered by the right wing. What they are actually offering is the opposite: wage slavery.

dittybopper: Bullshiat. Even before Europeans stepped on the continent, Native Americans were fighting wars against each other. Yes, even the hunter/gatherer tribes. In fact, it's been found that around 14% of deaths in hunter/gatherer societies may have been caused by violence, far higher than in modern civilized society.

Life among hunter/gatherers wasn't some peaceful, placid commune-type existence: The strongest warrior/hunter generally ended up in charge, often by force or at least intimidation, and he made the rules. Warfare with other hunter/gatherer tribes was very common. It was low-level warfare, to be sure, but warfare nonetheless.



HEY HEY HEY!

Quit smashing their illusion of the Noble Savage! This land was at peace until the white man came.

ThunderPelvis: Hunter-gatherers tend to live in small, peaceful, collaborative, egalitarian societies where conflict is firmly discouraged and collaboration highly encouraged. When you don't really own property, don't stay in one place very long, and have an adequate supply of food and sex, the idea of violence and war is pretty f*cking stupid. What are you going to do, go take somebody's baskets??

Bullshiat. Even before Europeans stepped on the continent, Native Americans were fighting wars against each other. Yes, even the hunter/gatherer tribes. In fact, it's been found that around 14% of deaths in hunter/gatherer societies may have been caused by violence, far higher than in modern civilized society.

Life among hunter/gatherers wasn't some peaceful, placid commune-type existence: The strongest warrior/hunter generally ended up in charge, often by force or at least intimidation, and he made the rules. Warfare with other hunter/gatherer tribes was very common. It was low-level warfare, to be sure, but warfare nonetheless.