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2012-04-12 11:32:11 AM

Bontesla: bungle_jr: .............


yes, that's really why i made my last contribution, to show that we do mostly agree.

i'm certainly not going back to school...burned myself out on that long ago...i'm happy with my career job that doesn't require a degree or even any specialized training. it may not pay what someone with a masters or doctorate gets paid, but i'm ok with that.

my wife's will not be a masters or doctorate either, but she is going for RN, and she will do great at that. also, if all goes well in about a month or so she'll get herself a patient care tech or similar job so she'll have a foot in the door at a hospital while continuing her schooling. a lot of hospitals will pay for nursing school if you're already an employee, so that would be nice. and i could afford to quit or drastically reduce my hours at the 2nd job
 
2012-04-12 11:37:59 AM

Zombie Eater: bungle_jr: "Assuming you have a job in this economy"

i don't have a job.

i have 2 jobs

and during the worst of "this economy" i had 3 of them for a couple of months.

so, forgive me if i'm not all weepy for the perpetually unemployed

2 jobs for going on 5 years here. Long past burned out and ready to ditch one, but between med bills for the Mrs.' Crohn's and my knees, school for the two of us, and everyday bills and expenses, I feel lucky to have the 2nd sometimes. I spent my youth not wanting to be my dad, yet here I am, putting in the same hours that he worked to keep us from starving.


i do not like having 2 jobs, but i've gotten accustomed to it. when the time comes i can quit my 2nd job, it'll feel really neat not having to work more than 40 hours a week! as of right now there is no way we can afford for me NOT to have the 2nd job, though.

i learned my work ethic from both my parents...mom did have times when i was young where they could afford for her to be a stay home mom, but that is indeed a fulltime job...with NO pay, and the benefits are great but not the same as at a "real" job.

dad and myself have both been working since we were old enough to work. even before being legally old enough for a "real" job, we both did other work. i mowed yards, he had done things like hauling hay. neither of us have gone more than a couple months without working. i'm 36 and he is a week away from 66. so neither of us has much empathy/sympathy for the whiners who "can't get a job" in this or any other economy
 
2012-04-12 11:48:05 AM
I quit my job a couple years back and took a, more or less, vacation for a year. It was interesting but not something I plan to repeat.

I learned that I get depressed and utterly bored without a job. Need that bit of structure in my life.

Persnickety: According to nature, we as a species are supposed to breed at 15, lose all our teeth at around 35 and die off due to starvation because of the evolutionary urge to overpopulate, assuming a bear or a broken bone does get us first. Screw nature.


Don't forget about having 4 out of 5 of your kids die before they hit the ripe old age of five. And dying yourself, if you're female, while pushing one of them out. Of course, the real fun part is having to deal with a cavity.
 
2012-04-12 02:16:41 PM

bungle_jr: "Assuming you have a job in this economy"

i don't have a job.

i have 2 jobs

and during the worst of "this economy" i had 3 of them for a couple of months.

so, forgive me if i'm not all weepy for the perpetually unemployed


Yep, you taking the jobs of 1-2 other people because the first one isn't paying you enough to live reasonably on, definitely means you shouldn't feel bad about the "unemployed".

Wait, what?
 
2012-04-12 02:26:49 PM

cuzsis: bungle_jr: "Assuming you have a job in this economy"

i don't have a job.

i have 2 jobs

and during the worst of "this economy" i had 3 of them for a couple of months.

so, forgive me if i'm not all weepy for the perpetually unemployed

Yep, you taking the jobs of 1-2 other people because the first one isn't paying you enough to live reasonably on, definitely means you shouldn't feel bad about the "unemployed".

Wait, what?


you obviously didn't read anything else i wrote. if i was a single man with no kids my main job would be enough for me to live very comfortably on (not by any means a "rich" lifestyle, but i'd have plenty for entertainment). however i am married to a full-time college student who is not currently working, we have 2 kids, 2 car payments, and the house payment and associated bills. therefore, yes i do need the 2nd job. and, as i said above somewhere, my wife will probably be getting a part or even fulltime job this summer
 
2012-04-12 02:39:52 PM
FTA:* An earlier version of this post incorrectly reported that test subjects had a 4-in-10 chance of dying within three years if they spent more than 11 hours a day seated. We regret the error.

Sounds about right. There's 120 people in our call center and someone drops dead every few weeks. We used to have a part-time staff person to sort mail and attend funerals.

/But they died.
 
2012-04-12 02:44:25 PM

digidorm: FTA:* An earlier version of this post incorrectly reported that test subjects had a 4-in-10 chance of dying within three years if they spent more than 11 hours a day seated. We regret the error.

Sounds about right. There's 120 people in our call center and someone drops dead every few weeks. We used to have a part-time staff person to sort mail and attend funerals.

/But they died.


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doesn't matter if joking or serious, though...i laughed
 
2012-04-12 02:52:48 PM

bungle_jr: notsureifserious.jpg


42% of our monthly operating revenue comes exclusively from company-held life insurance policies on our employees.

So... yeah, I've never actually worked in a call center. But I saw a picture of what one might look like.
 
2012-04-12 03:11:52 PM

Snapper Carr: sonorangal: At my last job I had a bully boss who made made my life a living hell for five years. I stayed because I liked the job I was doing. I thought I could hold out and she or I would move on. It ended up being me. I have never been so glad to leave the "fun" in that dysfunctional work place. Unemployment helped me to lose 30 lbs because I didn't have that stress anymore. There were some drawbacks but at least I got to do somethings I wanted to do, spend time with my kid and finish college.

My situation was a bit different - I'm not exaggerating when I say it nearly killed me. Having a full-time job and being very career focused left little time for me to properly attend to various issues that are peripheral to my disability. I spent all but 3 months of the next two years in the hospital after I left recuperating from the damage my body had accrued during that period. After I recovered I tried to return to work part time but after about 6 months I had taken on more hours and more responsibility and got sick again - my doctor basically told me to quit or I was going to die.

So now I'm retired at the ripe old age of 42.


I can sympathize. I am sorry you had a disability. Because of the environment I worked in, a lot of my coworkers and myself did not take sick or vacation time because of the work load. Some put off operations, dental, and other healthcare because of this and I worked in a healthcare. When I left I had maxed on 400 hours of sick time and over three weeks of vacation time. I didn't have a doctor telling me to leave, my friends told me the same thing as your doctor.
 
2012-04-12 03:32:53 PM
bungle_jr
you obviously didn't read anything else i wrote. if i was a single man with no kids my main job would be enough for me to live very comfortably on (not by any means a "rich" lifestyle, but i'd have plenty for entertainment). however i am married to a full-time college student who is not currently working, we have 2 kids, 2 car payments, and the house payment and associated bills. therefore, yes i do need the 2nd job. and, as i said above somewhere, my wife will probably be getting a part or even fulltime job this summer

And you think that this is a perfectly OK situation? This is how your life is going, and you're completely fine with it?
 
2012-04-12 03:33:30 PM
As someone who handed in his resignation letter today, I'm getting a kick...

I took the high road and gave them 2 weeks notice when they really deserved a steaming pile of my shiat smeared across a certain ignorant twat's desk.

It's a little frightening, but let these be a lesson to all of you power tripping cockswallows playing at middle management, outright disrespect and abuse of your employees will cost you good workers, even "in this economy."
 
2012-04-12 03:54:09 PM

RanDomino: bungle_jr
you obviously didn't read anything else i wrote. if i was a single man with no kids my main job would be enough for me to live very comfortably on (not by any means a "rich" lifestyle, but i'd have plenty for entertainment). however i am married to a full-time college student who is not currently working, we have 2 kids, 2 car payments, and the house payment and associated bills. therefore, yes i do need the 2nd job. and, as i said above somewhere, my wife will probably be getting a part or even fulltime job this summer

And you think that this is a perfectly OK situation? This is how your life is going, and you're completely fine with it?


what do you feel is wrong with my life?
no, it is not our PERFECT situation, but i'm very happy with my life overall...the only thing that will make it better is for my wife to finish school and get her nursing job so that we will actually have savings, etc, and not living paycheck to paycheck
 
2012-04-12 03:59:02 PM
I'm a librarian, which is nice. I get to walk around the library quite a bit helping patrons and such, so I'm not stuck in one position all day. Also, because this is a smallish library, I get to do a wide variety of tasks. The patrons can be quite annoying at times and the commute is awful but, all in all, it is a pretty good gig. The commute might kill me, though.
 
2012-04-12 05:07:46 PM

bungle_jr: what do you feel is wrong with my life?
no, it is not our PERFECT situation, but i'm very happy with my life overall...the only thing that will make it better is for my wife to finish school and get her nursing job so that we will actually have savings, etc, and not living paycheck to paycheck


You have two kids, a wife in college and house and two cars you can't afford without taking up available jobs that somebody who has nothing could use to just get enough food and a roof over their head.
 
2012-04-12 05:28:12 PM

jaylectricity: bungle_jr: what do you feel is wrong with my life?
no, it is not our PERFECT situation, but i'm very happy with my life overall...the only thing that will make it better is for my wife to finish school and get her nursing job so that we will actually have savings, etc, and not living paycheck to paycheck

You have two kids, a wife in college and house and two cars you can't afford without taking up available jobs that somebody who has nothing could use to just get enough food and a roof over their head.


yeah, i still don't quite understand the problem. if i didn't have the 2nd job, my wife would have a job. when she gets a job, i'm quitting the 2nd one. i'm not taking anything from anyone else. and if i couldn't afford what i have i wouldn't have it.
 
2012-04-12 08:30:53 PM
markie_farkie: "in this economy" is the most pathetic phrase, ever.

You sound like someone that didn't lose a jerb in this economy.
 
2012-04-12 08:47:33 PM
I've been told time and time again over the years that those who work in a job they love tend to be healthy and more productive.

Not to mention that their employers should love them for the extra time and care they'll put into the work for free. Something which businesses seem to have forgotten by the end of the 70's.

Excluding those jobs, which by their very nature are dangerous, (steel worker, construction, lineman, sewer worker, miner, explosives expert and so on) quite a few can cause you health problems, especially if you're working basically wherever you can. The latter is becoming more and more common. Plus working more than one job at a time can have a real physical strain on your body and mental facilities.

You could see it by the beginning of the 80's as suddenly, some workers started shooting up their places of business, acting secretly inappropriately towards customers and employee theft soared. Quite a few jobs in non-specialized positions started reporting a high turnover. It didn't help that employers basically informed minimum wagers that they had a long list of people more than willing to do their jobs if they screwed up.

The more you hate your job, the worse it is for your physical and mental health.

You start running a greater risk for depression, ulcers, chronic headaches and anxiety. That leads into an increased potential for high blood pressure, heart attacks, problems sleeping and chronic exhaustion. If married, it increases the stress at home. Have kids? Those stress levels will soar. You'll start acting more ineffectual as a parent.

I've known confident, hard working people wind up trapped in jobs they hated and emerge within a few years time as insecure, irritable, often obviously depressed folks who suddenly are prone to getting more illnesses than ever.

Don't expect a fast fix either. The economy has sucked since the mid 70's. Longer than the Great Depression. The rift between rich and poor is close to being bigger than it was in the Age of the Robber Barons. You no longer know who you can trust. The government isn't going to be able to step in and fix things.

A hard days work no longer brings in a good day's pay. Employers are dropping employee benefits for low end workers by the ton while they shovel millions into the pockets of unseen, apparently moronic, crooked CEO's.

Technology, while making things a lot easier, also has opened us up to hearing about every crappy little thing that goes on anywhere at any time and it's getting harder to tell what is real and what is not.

Your bank is determined to rip you off. Those credit card companies which begged for your business now hammer you for enormous amounts of interest. You can't justify the sharp increase in most food prices aside from greed. Plus, no matter what you eat, someone is telling you how bad it is for you.

Your great-grandparents worked hard for a living, but the majority of them were happy, content and surprisingly healthy. They knew the meaning of a 'good days work' and businesses knew the value of good, basic employees.

There was a time when even store clerks held pride in their company and jobs and a janitor was a valued and respected employee.

When was the last time YOU felt real good about your work?
 
2012-04-12 09:19:34 PM
I don't blame you, I was just trying to clarify the argument.
 
2012-04-12 09:20:15 PM

bungle_jr: yeah, i still don't quite understand the problem. if i didn't have the 2nd job, my wife would have a job. when she gets a job, i'm quitting the 2nd one. i'm not taking anything from anyone else. and if i couldn't afford what i have i wouldn't have it.


jaylectricity: I don't blame you, I was just trying to clarify the argument.


Oops, I didn't realize so much time had passed since I opened the thread, I thought my reply would appear right after yours.
 
2012-04-12 11:02:27 PM
bungle_jr
yeah, i still don't quite understand the problem

50, 60 years ago, a single income would have been plenty for that kind of lifestyle. It SHOULD be unthinkable for it to be otherwise, considering the massive technological advances since then...
 
2012-04-13 05:13:20 AM

Rik01: When was the last time YOU felt real good about your work?


About six years ago, just before most of the company was laid off (including myself).

Today, all I want to do is die.
 
2012-04-14 09:54:49 PM

residentgeek: I got out of vet teching for the sole reason that it was starting to make my body fall apart. 12-hour days lifting live weight, kneeling, restraining, bending. The reciprocated love from sentient beings and the tightly woven teamwork kept me going for 4 years, but I cried uncle.

Now in an MAT program, hopefully to be a teacher.

/it's never been about the money


You should look into becoming a Pet Tech instructor. I highly recommend it as a second income stream. Fantastic way to put your knowledge, love of pets and teaching skills to good use and help save the lives of pets without working yourself into an early grave.
 
2012-04-14 09:58:15 PM

BorgiaGinz: I turned 50, and I can't get a job now, despite years of IT experience. I haven't worked in a year, and despite applying to every job I am even remotely qualified for, I can't get an interview. I never thought I'd see the day I couldn't work, but here it is.


Time to do something you like better. That's what I'm doing.
 
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