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2012-04-12 07:16:22 AM
Well, it may have been, back when I was a code monkey. But now that I walk dogs for a living, life has vastly improved. Not my income (though it's almost back to what I made as a code monkey now), but my life. Getting paid to take two five-month old laboradors to the park for an hour a day? Even picking up dog poo beats the living fark out of answering dumbarse questions from mouth-breathing morons who believe that software is "magic"...
 
2012-04-12 07:30:26 AM

altrocks: Always remember the longer you live, the sooner you bloody well die.


That's an awesome song.
 
2012-04-12 07:34:11 AM
Nope, the fact that I've gained 100 lbs in 6 years of working at an office 8-12 hr days and having to be on-call 24x7 while dealing with a bunch of inept people isn't killing me at all.
 
2012-04-12 07:38:22 AM
Tush, we all have to die of something.
 
2012-04-12 07:39:53 AM
I got out of vet teching for the sole reason that it was starting to make my body fall apart. 12-hour days lifting live weight, kneeling, restraining, bending. The reciprocated love from sentient beings and the tightly woven teamwork kept me going for 4 years, but I cried uncle.

Now in an MAT program, hopefully to be a teacher.

/it's never been about the money
 
2012-04-12 07:48:26 AM
The only four letter word I don't like.
 
2012-04-12 07:49:16 AM
2.bp.blogspot.com

No one here gets out alive.

Off to work!
 
2012-04-12 07:49:23 AM

Bong Hits For Mohammed: I'm sitting at a computer console working a 12 hour night shift now, so I'm getting a kiUUUUUUHHHHHH!


sitting at a computer is NOT work!!!
 
2012-04-12 07:54:46 AM
I am an organic farmer. I drink too much beer, I smoke too many cigarettes, I don't follow any O.S.H.A. guidelines when doing projects around the house.

I would say the 7 months out of the year that I am outside from sun up to sun down and eating completely healthily is the ONLY thing keeping me alive. So, no, my job isn't killing me.
 
2012-04-12 07:55:47 AM
"Assuming you have a job in this economy"

i don't have a job.

i have 2 jobs

and during the worst of "this economy" i had 3 of them for a couple of months.

so, forgive me if i'm not all weepy for the perpetually unemployed
 
2012-04-12 07:56:51 AM

Heron: swingerofbirches: I wonder what working at one of those jobs that have sushi cafes and ping pong tables and on-site haircuts, etc., does for for your health. I'm actually honestly wondering because those jobs-I'm thinking of Google in particular, or maybe Apple to a degree-probably also have massive amounts of stress.

I work from home. I tend to think the effect is negligible on my health. I need to be more active in general, but my job doesn't prevent me from doing that, nor does it help with that.

I've read a few articles that claim Apple actually has a very claustrophobic and oppressive office.


I've been inside the Googleplex. It's like a daycare center (with even the same kind of dirt/grime on the walls you associate with daycare centers) with big monitors in between the toys. Weird.
 
2012-04-12 07:57:09 AM
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Studson: SpiffyandRedhot: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Technically, if you're in the military, your job is killing other people

bingethinker: No, my job is keeping me alive. Being unemployed almost killed me.

And this

Orly?

My job was to bandage. Others cooked food, fixed radios, drove trucks, etc. Not everyone in a military uniform faces the enemy.

One could make the argument that indirectly you are facing the enemy.


One could make the argument that he is deluded too.
 
2012-04-12 08:00:10 AM

markie_farkie: "in this economy" is the most pathetic phrase, ever.


Really? So you don't think current economic condition ever have an effect worth commenting on?

I don't understand your objection.
 
2012-04-12 08:01:37 AM

Studson: SpiffyandRedhot: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Technically, if you're in the military, your job is killing other people

bingethinker: No, my job is keeping me alive. Being unemployed almost killed me.

And this

Orly?

My job was to bandage. Others cooked food, fixed radios, drove trucks, etc. Not everyone in a military uniform faces the enemy.

One could make the argument that indirectly you are facing the enemy.


Your hard-earned tax dollars grease the wheels of the military-industrial complex. Good job, baby killer!
 
2012-04-12 08:06:01 AM

naz-drala: Every time a developer closes out a huge bug by saying "Not a Bug" I nearly die of an aneurysm.

/Strange how those bugs are the first things that a reviewer talks about.
//QA didn't catch it my ass


Also doing software QA.

It's most certainly killing my soul. . . And my health. So, I'm on Fark.
 
2012-04-12 08:30:28 AM

PlatypusPuke: gadian: Why yes, it is perfectly natural for a human being to be crouched into a sitting position for 8+ hours, in a room with bad lighting, staring into a constantly refreshing box of light. The ergonomics experts can go fark themselves, nothing makes that more natural. No, not even the angle of my head at a precise distance from the monitor.

The further and further we get from nature the sicker and sicker we become. Sooner or later we'll understand this, but we'll have to nearly destroy ourselves first, which we're doing now. Nature has spent millions of years tempering our bodies with an evolutionary biology that is not conducive to modern living, and watching the hubris blowing up in our faces is pure, unadulterated schadenfreude.

They've even found a link between breast cancer and melatonin...remarkable stuff, and your staring into the monitor comment reminded me of this.


According to nature, we as a species are supposed to breed at 15, lose all our teeth at around 35 and die off due to starvation because of the evolutionary urge to overpopulate, assuming a bear or a broken bone does get us first. Screw nature.
 
2012-04-12 08:34:55 AM
I turned 50, and I can't get a job now, despite years of IT experience. I haven't worked in a year, and despite applying to every job I am even remotely qualified for, I can't get an interview. I never thought I'd see the day I couldn't work, but here it is.
 
2012-04-12 08:35:03 AM
This is the good economy.....

1 in 8 people in the US on food stamps. (SNAP)
 
2012-04-12 08:48:28 AM
Maybe from stress. Not only do I have a computer in front of me, but also a lovely array of blinking lights that I must stare at all day.

Still, can't complain. We've all got our switches, lights, and knobs to deal with, Striker. I mean, down here there are literally hundreds and thousands of blinking, beeping, and flashing lights, blinking and beeping and flashing - they're *flashing* and they're *beeping*. I can't stand it anymore! They're *blinking* and *beeping* and *flashing*! Why doesn't somebody pull the plug!

/Recite that quote in my head at least 6 times a day
 
2012-04-12 08:49:14 AM
Anyone who doesn't have a job in this economy isn't trying hard enough. Help wanted signs all over the place - GTFO of wherever you live and start farking LOOKING if you don't have a job.

/lazy bastards
 
2012-04-12 08:51:00 AM

Raw_fishFood: It's killing my soul, that's for sure. The meaningless hamster wheel, the treadmill, no goals, nothing I can look at after the day is over and say, "Yeah, I did something."

I think I could take it better if it wasn't for the terrible terrible music we have to listen to all day. That's just the quartz grits in the rock polisher.


Yeah, dude. People have no idea. And it's worse when they have a cat and it can jump up and stare in at your Habitrail. The stress! I don't care how much you burrow, you just can't get deep enough to get away from the stench of tuna breath.

I gotta go. Got a log that's only half chewed through and I'm on a deadline. You keep that wheel spinning, okay pal?
 
2012-04-12 08:52:26 AM

my lip balm addiction: Anyone who doesn't have a job in this economy isn't trying hard enough. Help wanted signs all over the place - GTFO of wherever you live and start farking LOOKING if you don't have a job.

/lazy bastards


i agree, at least this far into this economic downturn. you've had time. if you don't have a job by now, you have your standards set far too high or you're simply not trying.

there are many places you can pretty much always get a job. they may not be jobs you want to keep forever, but they're jobs!
 
2012-04-12 08:55:01 AM

sotua: What I find irritating in healthy eating is that it usually involves fresh stuff. Keeping stock of healthy stuff to eat is a drag while fatty crap and carbs come in cans and/or last forever.


Use the Freezer, Luke
 
2012-04-12 09:00:19 AM

BorgiaGinz: I turned 50, and I can't get a job now, despite years of IT experience. I haven't worked in a year, and despite applying to every job I am even remotely qualified for, I can't get an interview. I never thought I'd see the day I couldn't work, but here it is.


Do you have a head hunter? You can negotiate payment contingent upon employment.

The software company (or are we a collections company now. . . ) I work for has an understaffed IT department. However, I'm also told that head hunters won't forward any additional staff because we have a high turn over rate. Apparently there are no survivors.

/sigh
// I need a vacation
 
2012-04-12 09:02:44 AM

bingethinker: No, my job is keeping me alive. Being unemployed almost killed me.


Weird how that works, huh?

/the food you eat is killing you
//but not eating food kills you faster
 
2012-04-12 09:02:49 AM

altrocks: Always remember the longer you live, the sooner you bloody well die.


Thanks for the ear worm. But in this case, it reminds me of a good friend, now "bloody well dead" and having a beer with the lasses in Fiddler's Green. So a grim song, with good memories attached.

I was too young to "get" the song back then. Alas, now I do.
 
2012-04-12 09:04:47 AM
People are so lazy it's laughable. Anytime I walk into a KMart or a Walmart there are plenty of jobs available.

Stop your biatching, grab a mop and get to work you government leech scumbag degenerates. Stop making excuses.
 
2012-04-12 09:07:38 AM
Working probably isn't killing me. This arbeit macht frei environment in which we seem to have trained every middle manager the world has ever known? That's kind of bullshiat. The "40 hour work week" being little more than some specter of hope we peddle to children before telling them to grin and bear it when they have to work 50 or 60? Also kind of bullshiat. But the work itself? I donno.
 
2012-04-12 09:12:14 AM

bungle_jr: my lip balm addiction: Anyone who doesn't have a job in this economy isn't trying hard enough. Help wanted signs all over the place - GTFO of wherever you live and start farking LOOKING if you don't have a job.

/lazy bastards

i agree, at least this far into this economic downturn. you've had time. if you don't have a job by now, you have your standards set far too high or you're simply not trying.

there are many places you can pretty much always get a job. they may not be jobs you want to keep forever, but they're jobs!


The idea that any job is better than no job is not only nonsense but also often financially absurd.

It's a lie we are told, internalize, and repeat so that when our situation minimally improves we feel better about ourselves.
 
2012-04-12 09:17:06 AM

Bontesla: bungle_jr: my lip balm addiction: Anyone who doesn't have a job in this economy isn't trying hard enough. Help wanted signs all over the place - GTFO of wherever you live and start farking LOOKING if you don't have a job.

/lazy bastards

i agree, at least this far into this economic downturn. you've had time. if you don't have a job by now, you have your standards set far too high or you're simply not trying.

there are many places you can pretty much always get a job. they may not be jobs you want to keep forever, but they're jobs!

The idea that any job is better than no job is not only nonsense but also often financially absurd.

It's a lie we are told, internalize, and repeat so that when our situation minimally improves we feel better about ourselves.


i agree with both sides about 50/50 actually.
guess it depends on your level of desparation...are you still getting unemployment benefits that allow you to pay your bills and live ok? do you have a savings account built up? are you keeping your head above water well enough to keep from drowning till you get a job you're actually looking for?

great!

but if the answer is NO to those questions...you're starting to suffer...bills are 2 or more months behind...you're dead broke and no job prospects yet?

then fast food and other low-man-on-the-totem-pole jobs are indeed better than suffering
 
2012-04-12 09:18:00 AM
Despite the high cost of living, it remains popular.

/derp
 
2012-04-12 09:22:51 AM

BeesNuts: Working probably isn't killing me. This arbeit macht frei environment in which we seem to have trained every middle manager the world has ever known? That's kind of bullshiat. The "40 hour work week" being little more than some specter of hope we peddle to children before telling them to grin and bear it when they have to work 50 or 60? Also kind of bullshiat. But the work itself? I donno.


this is truth!
as i stated above, i have 2 jobs. one is an entry-level federal position with good promotion potential, good benefits, and a retirement plan. even if i never get promoted i make a decent lower-middle-class wage and will be able to retire before i'm 65...possibly at 55! i love my job. there's nothing hard about it that can't be figured out without a little talking to coworkers. and i get a lot of vacation time. however, i have at least 1 person who outranks me who i do not enjoy working under.

my 2nd job is a part time $10/hr + tips valet job. it's fun because i get to drive all sorts of cars and trucks, and i have a very deverse group of folks to work with. there is SOME stress because sometimes customers are next to impossible to please. there are no benefits nor paid vacation time. but overall it's a good 2nd job...but the management is severly lacking in many areas
 
2012-04-12 09:23:08 AM

BorgiaGinz: I turned 50, and I can't get a job now, despite years of IT experience. I haven't worked in a year, and despite applying to every job I am even remotely qualified for, I can't get an interview. I never thought I'd see the day I couldn't work, but here it is.


Why that can't be so. Age discrimination is illegal. It says so right there on the label. Not that EEOC has ever actually farking enforced the damned law. I'm not really sure how enforceable it is, when it comes down to it. But, hey, we know it's illegal and people over 40 who can't find work, they must just be lazy assholes who want to sit on the couch and collect a government paycheck, right?

Only the same people who biatch about the latter are also the first in line to defend a company's "right" to engage in age discrimination. Yeah--they never connect that business's unwarranted age and disability biases are costing ordinary Americans tax dollars by sidelining people's very real skills and abilities on a management whim. The truth is you would do as good as or better a job than the young guy, and the old arguments about investing in the young guy's future don't count because he's not going to be with the same company in five--hell, two--years anyway.

I'm not in your shoes, but I've got plenty of friends who are, and being 45 is one reason I'm not responding to my own economic woes by going back to school and getting more skills. Because the reality is it wouldn't matter if I was Einstein and Hawking wrapped up with the savvy of Dennis Ritchie and right up to the minute skills---nobody would hire me even fresh out of school, solely because of my age.

It wouldn't matter how hard I worked or how much I studied or what classes I took or what grades I got in those classes. Not one thin damn.

And when I applied for the same jobs as my classmates and got not one thin nibble, the EEOC would be nowhere to be found in going after the companies that were rejecting solely on age. IOW, the classic example of "market failure."

( I have 6 years experience in IT---it was just a very long time ago. Pre-stay-home-mommy and housefrau. )
 
2012-04-12 09:23:25 AM
mc_madness


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2012-04-12 09:35:03 AM

SpiffyandRedhot: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Technically, if you're in the military, your job is killing other people

bingethinker: No, my job is keeping me alive. Being unemployed almost killed me.

And this

Orly?

My job was to bandage. Others cooked food, fixed radios, drove trucks, etc. Not everyone in a military uniform faces the enemy.


"There's a tropical storm that's gaining speed. Power. They say we haven't had a storm this bad since You took out that tender ship of mine in the North Atlantic last year. Sixty-eight crew. Do you know what a tender ship does? It fixes the other ships. It doesn't even carry guns. It just goes around, fixes the other ships, and delivers the mail. That's all it can do."
 
2012-04-12 09:38:00 AM

mc_madness: People are so lazy it's laughable. Anytime I walk into a KMart or a Walmart there are plenty of jobs available.

Stop your biatching, grab a mop and get to work you government leech scumbag degenerates. Stop making excuses.


Really? Friends in Boston haven't described the job market there as that welcoming. What are the store numbers where you're seeing all this hiring?

Sometimes those jobs are seasonal and they fire you after the season is over, so there are plenty of jobs---in short spurts of a couple of months, too short to qualify for unemployment in the "dry" months that come before they hire seasonally again.

There is hiring going on, but it's a question of how many jobs there are compared to the number of applicants they have for those jobs, and, again, whether those jobs come with a built-in expiration date. Many of them do.
 
2012-04-12 09:46:24 AM

AbbeySomeone: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Yeah, lack of money is a greater cause for poor health. I don't make much, but I had to figure out how to stretch more food out of the same paycheck. Lots of fiber and vegetables - they fill you up. Plus, there's about a thousand ways you can make chicken, none of it terrible if you do it right.

The problem isn't lack of food; it's that healthy eating has high upfront capital costs, low rewards, and high failure rates.

Roasted chicken for dinner gives leftover meat for chicken salad or pasta tossed with chicken and spinach. Toss the carcass in a crockpot with spices and leftover veg to make your own stock.


This plus some nice roasted veggies.

Try some rum roasted carrots.

Cut carrots into 1/3" circles.
Add bacardi spiced rum to oven safe dish, just enough to glaze.
Soak 30 minutes
Roast @425 for 15 minutes.

Yum.
 
2012-04-12 09:50:00 AM

bungle_jr: my 2nd job is a part time $10/hr + tips valet job. it's fun because i get to drive all sorts of cars and trucks, and i have a very deverse group of folks to work with. there is SOME stress because sometimes customers are next to impossible to please. there are no benefits nor paid vacation time. but overall it's a good 2nd job...but the management is severly lacking in many areas


No offense, but how hard is to please people as a valet? Park car. Retrieve car. If you go around denting the cars or reenacting Ferris Bueller's Day Off, yeah I can see people getting upset, and rightfully so. What am I missing?
 
2012-04-12 09:58:47 AM

Persnickety: bungle_jr: my 2nd job is a part time $10/hr + tips valet job. it's fun because i get to drive all sorts of cars and trucks, and i have a very deverse group of folks to work with. there is SOME stress because sometimes customers are next to impossible to please. there are no benefits nor paid vacation time. but overall it's a good 2nd job...but the management is severly lacking in many areas

No offense, but how hard is to please people as a valet? Park car. Retrieve car. If you go around denting the cars or reenacting Ferris Bueller's Day Off, yeah I can see people getting upset, and rightfully so. What am I missing?


you'd be surprised. for one thing, this setup is a little different than your average valet stand. instead of the deal of handing us the ticket and we run to 1 central location to get your car, we have multiple stands all around the airport. we are supposed to have the car already in our marked area in the parking garage closest to where your baggage claim is. thanks to frequent gate changes, misinformation upon customer check-in, etc, we don't always have the car there waiting for you, and you have to wait a few minutes.

that's the biggest complaint. or that the customer wasn't properly informed that the car would be near the gate they landed at, and they end up catching a ride from one end of the airport to the other terminal where they dropped off their car, and then they have to wait for it to be brought to our podium.

to add to that, most of our customers are frequent business travelers who spend 3-5 days a week out of town. they're cranky, tired, and not going to be truely happy no matter how good your service skills are.

bonus: some of them are just self-righteous rich folk who look down on the help

extra-bonus: we have a handful of people who get upset when their car is 25 ft away in a space rather than directly in front of the podium. even if we drive the car up to the podium for them to get in, because then they had to wait 30 seconds for that to happen
 
2012-04-12 10:01:06 AM

Persnickety: bungle_jr: my 2nd job is a part time $10/hr + tips valet job. it's fun because i get to drive all sorts of cars and trucks, and i have a very deverse group of folks to work with. there is SOME stress because sometimes customers are next to impossible to please. there are no benefits nor paid vacation time. but overall it's a good 2nd job...but the management is severly lacking in many areas

No offense, but how hard is to please people as a valet? Park car. Retrieve car. If you go around denting the cars or reenacting Ferris Bueller's Day Off, yeah I can see people getting upset, and rightfully so. What am I missing?


and just so it doesn't sound like all we have is bad customers, my above post covers about 5% of our customers. 95% of them are typically somewhere between non-chalant to super happy, and that's a really good record considering the volume of work we perform and the number of customers we take care of.
 
2012-04-12 10:06:01 AM

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Studson: SpiffyandRedhot: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Technically, if you're in the military, your job is killing other people

bingethinker: No, my job is keeping me alive. Being unemployed almost killed me.

And this

Orly?

My job was to bandage. Others cooked food, fixed radios, drove trucks, etc. Not everyone in a military uniform faces the enemy.

One could make the argument that indirectly you are facing the enemy.

One could make the argument that he is deluded too.


Victory is life.
 
2012-04-12 10:13:20 AM
Work is death.
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2012-04-12 10:36:18 AM

bungle_jr: Bontesla: bungle_jr: my lip balm addiction: Anyone who doesn't have a job in this economy isn't trying hard enough. Help wanted signs all over the place - GTFO of wherever you live and start farking LOOKING if you don't have a job.

/lazy bastards

i agree, at least this far into this economic downturn. you've had time. if you don't have a job by now, you have your standards set far too high or you're simply not trying.

there are many places you can pretty much always get a job. they may not be jobs you want to keep forever, but they're jobs!

The idea that any job is better than no job is not only nonsense but also often financially absurd.

It's a lie we are told, internalize, and repeat so that when our situation minimally improves we feel better about ourselves.

i agree with both sides about 50/50 actually.
guess it depends on your level of desparation...are you still getting unemployment benefits that allow you to pay your bills and live ok? do you have a savings account built up? are you keeping your head above water well enough to keep from drowning till you get a job you're actually looking for?

great!

but if the answer is NO to those questions...you're starting to suffer...bills are 2 or more months behind...you're dead broke and no job prospects yet?

then fast food and other low-man-on-the-totem-pole jobs are indeed better than suffering


I think it depends on the degree to which you've invested in yourself.

We, as people, invest in ourselves by purchasing specialized training. We continue to invest and develop in ourselves by spending time within our careers. Erasing or undermining our investment is like withdrawing it before its maturation date. We are trading in a million dollars for a thousand dollars.

Especially given the social nets available like federal aid that will pay up to 100% of your mortgage note or rent payment if you're eligible for unemployment. A lot of unemployments agencies will completely pay for specialized training to make you more marketable.

Giving up unemployment to work for McDonalds when you're an engineer is silly. You're giving up benefits to compensate your losses for a minimum wage job.
 
2012-04-12 10:41:55 AM

Julie Cochrane: sotua: What I find irritating in healthy eating is that it usually involves fresh stuff. Keeping stock of healthy stuff to eat is a drag while fatty crap and carbs come in cans and/or last forever.

Use the Freezer, Luke


Works for some things, sucks for others. Currently I abuse my mother's good will, she goes to a farmer's market once a week and doesn't mind buying the stuff I ask her to and drop it off my place, it's on her way anyway. But it's not a sustainable model :)

BTW, I'm looking for some good vegetarian recipes. Beef prices over here have been climbing heavily, and we were eating too much of it anyway. But we're stuck on a menu rut (pasta and bolognese sauce, lentils, chicken and rice, some sort of beef stew, pork and potatoes, maybe fish sometime, repeat ad nauseum), and are having a hard time getting out of it...
 
2012-04-12 10:44:25 AM
If work is killing me then let it happen. I'm glad I am working right now. Better than the the stress of being unemployed, and I have been there for long periods.

If you have a desk job, try to walk to work. Or get some kind of exercise during the day. Watch your diet if you sit at your job.
 
2012-04-12 10:57:24 AM

Bontesla: bungle_jr: Bontesla: bungle_jr: my lip balm addiction: Anyone who doesn't have a job in this economy isn't trying hard enough. Help wanted signs all over the place - GTFO of wherever you live and start farking LOOKING if you don't have a job.

/lazy bastards

i agree, at least this far into this economic downturn. you've had time. if you don't have a job by now, you have your standards set far too high or you're simply not trying.

there are many places you can pretty much always get a job. they may not be jobs you want to keep forever, but they're jobs!

The idea that any job is better than no job is not only nonsense but also often financially absurd.

It's a lie we are told, internalize, and repeat so that when our situation minimally improves we feel better about ourselves.

i agree with both sides about 50/50 actually.
guess it depends on your level of desparation...are you still getting unemployment benefits that allow you to pay your bills and live ok? do you have a savings account built up? are you keeping your head above water well enough to keep from drowning till you get a job you're actually looking for?

great!

but if the answer is NO to those questions...you're starting to suffer...bills are 2 or more months behind...you're dead broke and no job prospects yet?

then fast food and other low-man-on-the-totem-pole jobs are indeed better than suffering

I think it depends on the degree to which you've invested in yourself.

We, as people, invest in ourselves by purchasing specialized training. We continue to invest and develop in ourselves by spending time within our careers. Erasing or undermining our investment is like withdrawing it before its maturation date. We are trading in a million dollars for a thousand dollars.

Especially given the social nets available like federal aid that will pay up to 100% of your mortgage note or rent payment if you're eligible for unemployment. A lot of unemployments agencies will completely pay for specialized training ...


seems as though you missed some of what i said. at my valet job i work with several folks who are working far below their "investment" level (i do like the way you talk about how we invest in ourselves). it's not because they truely want to work for a valet company at 1/4 of the wage they were trained/educated to do and experienced in. it's because they have been unemployed/underemployed from their trained field that they either had to find ANY employment they could get, or take on the 2nd job to compensate for a loss in pay by taking a lesser paying job in their field.

or for people like myself, who work the 2nd job part time either due to a spouse being unemployed or underemployed. my wife was working, till she was 7 months pregnant with our now 2 year old son. she had thought about going to work, but her previous employment would've essentially paid for childcare and her gas to go to work, so she finally decided to further her education.

now, she still has about 3 years till she will have her degree and be ready for her job, but she will have invested in herself to the point of being able to get a job making 3 times what she was making before (and probably about $10k MORE per year than i make), in a field she loves
 
2012-04-12 11:19:55 AM

bungle_jr: "Assuming you have a job in this economy"

i don't have a job.

i have 2 jobs

and during the worst of "this economy" i had 3 of them for a couple of months.

so, forgive me if i'm not all weepy for the perpetually unemployed


2 jobs for going on 5 years here. Long past burned out and ready to ditch one, but between med bills for the Mrs.' Crohn's and my knees, school for the two of us, and everyday bills and expenses, I feel lucky to have the 2nd sometimes. I spent my youth not wanting to be my dad, yet here I am, putting in the same hours that he worked to keep us from starving.
 
2012-04-12 11:23:05 AM

bungle_jr: Bontesla: bungle_jr: Bontesla: bungle_jr: my lip balm addiction: Anyone who doesn't have a job in this economy isn't trying hard enough. Help wanted signs all over the place - GTFO of wherever you live and start farking LOOKING if you don't have a job.

/lazy bastards

i agree, at least this far into this economic downturn. you've had time. if you don't have a job by now, you have your standards set far too high or you're simply not trying.

there are many places you can pretty much always get a job. they may not be jobs you want to keep forever, but they're jobs!

The idea that any job is better than no job is not only nonsense but also often financially absurd.

It's a lie we are told, internalize, and repeat so that when our situation minimally improves we feel better about ourselves.

i agree with both sides about 50/50 actually.
guess it depends on your level of desparation...are you still getting unemployment benefits that allow you to pay your bills and live ok? do you have a savings account built up? are you keeping your head above water well enough to keep from drowning till you get a job you're actually looking for?

great!

but if the answer is NO to those questions...you're starting to suffer...bills are 2 or more months behind...you're dead broke and no job prospects yet?

then fast food and other low-man-on-the-totem-pole jobs are indeed better than suffering

I think it depends on the degree to which you've invested in yourself.

We, as people, invest in ourselves by purchasing specialized training. We continue to invest and develop in ourselves by spending time within our careers. Erasing or undermining our investment is like withdrawing it before its maturation date. We are trading in a million dollars for a thousand dollars.

Especially given the social nets available like federal aid that will pay up to 100% of your mortgage note or rent payment if you're eligible for unemployment. A lot of unemployments agencies will completely pay for specialized training ...

seems as though you missed some of what i said. at my valet job i work with several folks who are working far below their "investment" level (i do like the way you talk about how we invest in ourselves). it's not because they truely want to work for a valet company at 1/4 of the wage they were trained/educated to do and experienced in. it's because they have been unemployed/underemployed from their trained field that they either had to find ANY employment they could get, or take on the 2nd job to compensate for a loss in pay by taking a lesser paying job in their field.

or for people like myself, who work the 2nd job part time either due to a spouse being unemployed or underemployed. my wife was working, till she was 7 months pregnant with our now 2 year old son. she had thought about going to work, but her previous employment would've essentially paid for childcare and her gas to go to work, so she finally decided to further her education.

now, she still has about 3 years till she will have her degree and be ready for her job, but she will have invested in herself to the point of being able to get a job making 3 times what she was making before (and probably about $10k MORE per year than i make), in a field she loves


I think, if I'm understanding you correctly, we're saying similar things.

In your particular case, I think you're both investing for greater gain which is smart. . . And also very taxing. I'm also putting a spouse through school. We're delaying starting our family until we're where we want to be at educationally (doctorates for both).

And, like I said, it depends on one's overall investment. If someone hasn't had the necessary skill and training then it doesn't make sense to wait on unemployment until a comparable job comes along. Or if they have invested in an education but don't have a long employment history, then the greater investment is to get a job to help you grow that part of your marketability.

So, I think we both mostly agree. I'm probably just saying it poorly. I'm @ work and replying from my phone.
 
2012-04-12 11:28:43 AM
No paid vacation days - or even people no using them -> that is what is killing us slowly.

Least number of paid vacation days in the entire industrialized world. Heck, Mexico, Canada, and, even China has more than the U.S.

Way to many other factors to think of at the moment...
Nead moar coffee
 
2012-04-12 11:32:01 AM
I lost 40lbs when I was unemployed for 8 months. I ate less and exercised more. If it weren't for the crushing depression and feelings of worthlessness and fiscal stress associated with not bringing home a paycheck, I would say it was the most productive time of my life. Take away that as a concern/stigma and not working would be ideal. Nothing cures laziness better than not working.

And of course the conclusion is going to be that work is better than unemployment. Can you imagine what would happen in this country if everyone decided to stop working because it was good for you?
 
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