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(New York Magazine)   Prosecutor confirms Zimmerman will be charged in the Trayvon Martin shooting, assuming they can find the guy   (nymag.com) divider line 288
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2012-04-11 03:01:10 PM
10 votes:
he's looking for the real killer
2012-04-11 03:03:56 PM
7 votes:
What's the least dignified way this could end? Because that's what I'm betting on.
2012-04-11 03:01:40 PM
7 votes:
EVERYBODY HISPANIC!
2012-04-11 03:33:01 PM
6 votes:
The real issue here is that the local cops let this deadly shooting slide without a whole lot of investigation.

Whatever happened between Zimmerman and Martin, whatever their thoughts at the time -- the real problem is the institutionalized racism. Then we have folks claiming a black kid in a hoodie deserves to have his life taken for the crime of going out at night to buy Skittles.

If Zimmerman had shot a white girl, wearing a hoodie, with the same juvie record as Martin, you better believe the cops would have investigated and charged him with something, and very few people would be defending Zimmerman.
2012-04-11 03:02:22 PM
6 votes:
You mean that when you follow someone and shoot and kill them you CANT call self defense?

really?
2012-04-11 03:04:17 PM
5 votes:
Justice - bending to the mob rule mentality to appease the masses, nice.
2012-04-11 03:01:42 PM
5 votes:
Begun, the race wars have.
2012-04-11 07:47:34 PM
4 votes:
White Supremacists BEFORE Zimmerman was charged: "You people don't respect the rule of law! You're trying to lynch an innocent man! The AG didn't charge him, so therefore he's obviously 100% innocent!"
White Supremacists NOW: "The law is corrupt! This only happened because the Media made a big deal out of it! I hope you're happy now, Libruls!"
2012-04-11 03:11:41 PM
4 votes:

blackhalo: "Fla. Stat. 776.013(3)A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony."

"Fla. Stat 776.032(3)The court shall award reasonable attorney's fees, court costs, compensation for loss of income, and all expenses incurred by the defendant in defense of any civil action brought by a plaintiff if the court finds that the defendant is immune from prosecution as provided in subsection (1)."

Hey Florida taxpayers, get ready to pay Zimmerman once a judge throws this prosecution out the window.


So we're agreed that Martin was acting in self defense? After all, he was being followed around his own neighborhood at night by a stranger.
2012-04-11 03:02:59 PM
4 votes:
28.media.tumblr.com
2012-04-11 08:07:40 PM
3 votes:
Would everyone please read the following summary and stop trying to guess FL's laws and procedures?

http://www.husseinandwebber.com/stand_your_ground.html (new window)

"NOTE: In Gray v. State, 13 So. 2d 114 (Fla. 5th DCA 2009), the Fifth District Court of Appeal of Florida (governing Sanford, Florida, the site of the Trayvon Martin shooting) adopted the procedures outlined above in Petersen, holding that the right to immunity from criminal prosecution afforded by Section 776.032 is to be determined by the trial court after an evidentiary proceeding in which the criminal defendant has the burden of proof by a preponderance of the evidence. Id. at 114."

Presuming that this goes to trial and Z's camp invokes Stand Your Ground as an affirmative defense -- there is the phase where Z must display (a temporarily-shifted burden), by a preponderance of the evidence, such claimed immunity.

/more than esoteric
2012-04-11 05:56:58 PM
3 votes:

Mike Chewbacca: ivan: Mike Chewbacca: If anything, these threads are good for adding to my troll ignore list.

Also, for highlighting some more good guys in green3.

Of course, if I'm one of the trolls, you won't see my compliment.

Nah, I only ignore the obvious and obnoxious trolls. I've even left skinnyhead off there because I think he's funny and most likely a satirist. But 9beers and the other guys I mentioned in this thread are obnoxious and provocative, and not in a good way.

So basically, any funny people I don't block, because I find them funny, even if they are trolling. I didn't see you trolling so much as being super sarcastic.


It's not possible to be serious in a troll-infested thread like this without getting stomped on. I'd rather be stomped on for a bad joke than for a sincere appeal to reason and humanity.

But, for the record, and in answer to all the Zimmerman apologists: the point here is not that Zimmerman is a racist -- I don't think he is -- or that he crossed some line -- I think he did -- but that police took his word for what transpired and released him without an investigation. It may have been by the book, in which case the book needs to have the book thrown at it.

This is a tragedy. Zimmerman's life is pretty much destroyed either way. A young man is dead, and is family's hearts are forever broken. "Race relations" (I hate that term) have been dealt a blow. Farker has turned against Farker (well, ok, that's a pre-existing condition).

It was right to call for an investigation. It was right to bring charges. It's right, if naive, to expect that justice will be done.

But here is what's wrong: to vilify Martin in order to make Zimmerman look more innocent is deeply, disgustingly vile. .

Don't worry, guys -- your precious guns won't be outlawed over this. You can relax.
2012-04-11 04:09:17 PM
3 votes:
I still contend anyone who chooses Tropical Skittles over regular Skittles deserves to be shot to death
2012-04-11 03:56:20 PM
3 votes:
It took them this long to figure out that following, confronting and then killing someone who was doing nothing but walking should be a criminal matter?

Floriduh is run by retards.
2012-04-11 03:25:13 PM
3 votes:
Saw this today, totally relevant, and EVERYONE should know about this case, if they don't already:

Link (new window)
2012-04-11 03:14:56 PM
3 votes:
i279.photobucket.com
2012-04-11 03:13:53 PM
3 votes:

Okieboy: Justice - bending to the mob rule mentality to appease the masses, nice.


Charging him is bending to mob rule mentality? Christ, it's not like people are saying he must be found guilty of first degree murder. They just want him brought into the criminal justice system. Like anybody who has discharged a firearm for any reason in public, much less shot and killed someone.

fark, is this so hard to understand? He may or may not be guilty. He may be guilty of a lesser offense. He may walk scot-free. But none of that process even starts until he is charged with something.
2012-04-11 03:12:39 PM
3 votes:
The hell you will. He's got a two day head start on you, which is more than he needs. Zimmerman's got friends in every town and village from here to the Sudan, he speaks a dozen languages, knows every local custom, he'll blend in, disappear, you'll never see him again. With any luck, he's got the grail already.
2012-04-11 03:12:20 PM
3 votes:
It's a pity ALEC can't be brought up on charges as well for passing this POS law.
2012-04-11 03:09:30 PM
3 votes:

JohnAnnArbor: Well, good.


It's excellent. Put him on trail, give him excellent legal representation, and IF he's found innocent, let him go and leave him alone. Rule of law. We don't need vigilantes hiring hitmen.

And I don't support the death penalty, so if he's found guilty of something, give him the maximal prison time for whatever he's found guilty of.
2012-04-11 03:07:12 PM
3 votes:

Giltric: You can charge someone with anything you want, its the whole getting a conviction part thats tricky.


And Casey Anthony proved that sometimes Florida prosecutors can go for the wrong conviction.
2012-04-11 03:05:02 PM
3 votes:
Get ready for riots when involuntary manslaughter charges are announced.
2012-04-11 03:04:51 PM
3 votes:

Oznog: "You can stop looking in Florida," his former attorney Hal Uhrig told press yesterday. "Look much further away than that."

Alpha Centauri??

/no, think closer than that


Proxima Centauri?
2012-04-11 03:04:37 PM
3 votes:
He's holed up with Sean Hannity, who is the greatest legal mind currently alive.
2012-04-11 03:04:28 PM
3 votes:
You can charge someone with anything you want, its the whole getting a conviction part thats tricky.


This might be worse if hes found not guilty then not actually charging him with something.
2012-04-11 03:04:20 PM
3 votes:
I hopes he runs.

Consider theres a bounty on his head and the DOJ refuses to do anything about it, he's a dead man if he spends any time in a jail.
2012-04-11 03:03:58 PM
3 votes:
Cue Republicans saying he didnt do anything wrong and shouldnt be charged.

Follow the law until they dont approve of the results.

/Vote Republican
2012-04-11 03:02:58 PM
3 votes:
And now - a sane rational discussion. (May God have mercy on us.)
2012-04-11 03:01:43 PM
3 votes:
That should soothe the frothing hoodie mobs right? We cool now?
2012-04-12 05:29:46 PM
2 votes:

Mrtraveler01: s2s2s2: Mrtraveler01: liam76: Claiming someoen looks suspiscious or on drugs doesn't make someone "paranoid.

It doesn't?

Well, it doesn't make them wrong.

It doesn't?

If this kid was white, would he think he looks suspicious or on drugs?


I don't know. Neither do you.

It is dishonest to pretend you do.
2012-04-11 09:55:24 PM
2 votes:

bugontherug: Why does it not surprise me to hear a racist child killer is equivalent in your mind to the messiah?
Justice on auto-Pilate



Equivalent to the "messiah"?

LOL!

It was a reference to the fanciful biblical account of Pilate finding no fault with the accused, but bowing to mob pressure, released him to their tender mercies.

Racist? I have seen no convincing evidence supporting this allegation, and much contradictory evidence.

Child?
A 17 year-old football player standing 6'1 and weighing 160 lbs - who managed to break the gun-toting Zimmerman's nose and bash his head against the concrete - he was hardly a toddler.

Also, had both been the same race OR if Martin had killed Zimmerman, I doubt you'd give a shiat.

AMIRITE?
2012-04-11 07:27:33 PM
2 votes:

OnlyM3: The_Six_Fingered_Man

Looks like 2nd Degree Murder and George is already in custody, according to AP.

So all the lib-tards running around here saying George was running and a flight risk had their head up their collective a--es just like they have on every other point since this story got green lit the first time.


Your use of the term libtard nullifies anything you say.
2012-04-11 06:45:33 PM
2 votes:

The Coroner of Munchkinland: To zimmerman though, a wannabe cop who knows the official lingo about "showing hands" within the law enforcement community, as well as interpreting it in the context of his own suspiciousness...well


well this is a guy who parks across the street from black kids in the neighborhood and watches them play. who calls 911 on a whim to report on anything. even the mundane. and when he doesn't have even something mundane to report he reports any black male he sees in the neighborhood as being suspicious. He was obsessed with his cop fantasy. And he really thought he had him a burglar cornered I believe and he wasn't about to let him escape the neighborhood through the back entrance. He was gonna be a hero in the neighborhood and get himself a job as a cop. But when he tried to detain Trayvon and had to resort to physical force he (like most false bravado cowards with a gun fetish) panicked and shot the kid when he got his nose punched and was losing the fight that he instigated. He was not in any danger of losing his life. The fight yes. He might have had to wear an ass whooping. But he couldn't be the guy who got whooped by a kid. That would be embarrassing. so he snapped (he had a history of that ) pulled his gun and shot him.
2012-04-11 06:33:30 PM
2 votes:
I'm actually more interested in the internal affairs investigation. At this point Zimmerman will walk simply because too much evidence was destroyed through strategic incompetence, but the GOAL is to have this kind of shiat not happen again by, you know, disciplining the cops involved.

I mean, I don't like that Zimmerman will get away with murder, but it's best to focus on what will actually get results.
2012-04-11 06:12:17 PM
2 votes:
they must have a lot of evidence we don't know about to go for murder 2 and not homicide. I'm guessing maybe some undisclosed audio recordings? video? forensic blood evidence. or something pretty substantial.
2012-04-11 06:11:38 PM
2 votes:

s2s2s2: Mike Chewbacca: The cops at the scene sure thought so.

This is correct. Wonder why it took a media circus to get a prosecution going?

Has the announcement been made yet?


Because the cops looked at a dead black kid and didn't bother doing a thorough investigation? Frankly, I think Trayvon Martin's race was more a factor with the cops than with George Zimmerman.
2012-04-11 06:09:32 PM
2 votes:
This lady comes across as very condescending (that means she is talking down to us).
2012-04-11 05:16:32 PM
2 votes:

king_nacho: fredklein: SharkTrager: Even if he did follow him, it was not "unlawful".

Zimmerman had permission to be in people's back yards?? If not, he was trespassing, which is.. unlawful!

Secondly, you do not know who started the fight.

Zimmerman did. By following and confronting Trayvon.

you don't know who confronted who, nobody but Zimmerman knows the truth.


We know Zimmerman left his vehicle. We know he arranged to meet the cops, then canceled that in order to have them call to locate him when they arrived. We know he told dispatch he was going to follow even after being advised that it wasn't necessary. We have testimony from someone on the phone with Martin at the moment contact was made indicating that Martin felt he was being followed and was going to try to get away.

Is it reasonable to conclude that Zimmerman's intent, after taking all of those actions, was to *not* confront Martin? Particularly when supported by the witnesses testimony who was on the phone when the fight actually started?
2012-04-11 04:35:05 PM
2 votes:

eraser8: symtronic: Thats great! Its still not a recent photo of the boy.... this is though:

Here's another recent photo:

[i39.tinypic.com image 540x591]

Why didn't you choose to use that one?


More Recent, than ANY of yours...

www.thegrio.com

lower left hand corner

am I doin' it rite?
2012-04-11 04:22:19 PM
2 votes:

symtronic: hey... you want to act like a thug, die like one


By that logic, if Zimmerman wanted to act like a vigilante, shouldn't he go to jail like one?
2012-04-11 04:17:45 PM
2 votes:

vegasj: mjohnson71: Fox News' current graphic:
[a57.foxnews.com image 640x242]

The original of Trayvon Martin:
[blog.chron.com image 600x375]

uhm, actually, your original is a shop of Fox's photo. It was lightened and highlighted by CNN or NBC


Thats great! Its still not a recent photo of the boy.... this is though:

louisjmarinelli.com
2012-04-11 04:15:20 PM
2 votes:

Thunderpipes: white/latino guilt liberals


Yet you insist this isn't about race...

Give me a farking break with that white guilt bullcrap. I'm not ashamed to be white, I just don't think that all black people are automatically scary like the people in the "Trayvon deserved to get shot" group apparently thinks.
2012-04-11 04:02:26 PM
2 votes:

JohnBigBootay: jfivealive: He was not told by law enforcement to back off. He was advised by a 911 operator to wait for the police. This is not enforceable and is not law.

Him starting the fight is subjective, we don't know how started the fight. The stand your ground defense is applicable still.


Why would the same law not apply to Trayvon?


Hmm, that's a very good question. Why does the guy with a gun who started the confrontation get to stand his ground but the kid without a gun who was doing nothing but walking home from the store have to flee?
2012-04-11 03:46:18 PM
2 votes:

Phinn: Mike Chewbacca: Phinn: Mike Chewbacca: I'm pretty sure Zimmerman had "disarmed" Martin of the sidewalk weapon Martin was "carrying" when Zimmerman shot Martin.

Based on what evidence?

The lack of blood on Zimmerman.

You'd make a lousy witness. The first thing I'd do is ask you how you know there was no blood on Martin, and you'd have to point to a grainy police video.

At which point you'd leave the courthouse in tears, looking for a place to drown your shame in liquor.


That same grainy police video you keep saying proves Zimmerman had a broken nose and lacerations on his scalp. If you can use it, so can I.
2012-04-11 03:37:49 PM
2 votes:

sign_of_Zeta: Wendy's Chili: Thunderpipes: Guilty or innocent, we all lose today

Why would we lose if a guilty man is being charged for his crime?


I think we all lose because no matter what this case has been so tainted by the media and public feelings this will never be a fair trial. I doubt he can have an untainted jury pool. No way.


If it weren't for media attention, there wouldn't be a trial at all. So I'll take what I can get.
2012-04-11 03:36:53 PM
2 votes:
I see Christmas Troll and the League of Fail have arrived to defend Dumbass McRentacop for shooting an unarmed teenager.
2012-04-11 03:35:31 PM
2 votes:

spiderpaz: ihatedumbpeople: The angle of entry/exit on the bullet would is going to be the big thing...
.

The big thing isn't going to be the angle of the bullet, since his defense is that they were struggling over his gun when he shot Martin. It will be the distance that the bullet was fired from. If it's anything other than point blank range, then Zimmerman's story falls apart. If they determine there was a distance even greater than arms length then it's going to be hard to claim he didn't have any choice but to shoot, because that would indicate that possibly Zimmerman pulled his weapon and Martin was trying to back off.

Does anyone know how easy/difficult it is to judge distance based on the wound? Wouldn't they be able to judge that from powder burns on Martin's skin or clothes?


So the defense is that they both reached for the gun?

28.media.tumblr.com
2012-04-11 03:32:25 PM
2 votes:
Step 1: tell the mob he's in Mexico

Step 2: mob goes to Mexico to hunt him down

Step 3: build wall and keep the mob in Mexico

Step 4: problem solved
2012-04-11 03:24:19 PM
2 votes:

sforce: Scerpes: sforce: blackhalo: "Fla. Stat. 776.013(3)A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony."

So charge him with stalking too. Now he was engaged in unlawful activity.

Yeah...except that it doesn't fit the crime of stalking.

Replace stalking with any one of a number of things that fits. Didn't think I really needed to explain the idea behind the comment.


I don't think that's necessary. This is the more important segment, I think: "A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked..." I doubt whether Zimmerman will get to stand his ground if he's the one who started it.
2012-04-11 03:23:50 PM
2 votes:

Thunderpipes: Guilty or innocent, we all lose today


Why would we lose if a guilty man is being charged for his crime?

Thunderpipes: I assume people will remember this when a black guy does something wrong and some white guys want his head?

Courts are now run by the mob, and the personal feelings of the President.


Oh. I guess by "we all" you just meant pathetic, racist pieces of shiat like yourself.
2012-04-11 03:23:22 PM
2 votes:
As this thread is getting out of control fast please see below.....

sassage.org
CHECK 'EM
2012-04-11 03:21:13 PM
2 votes:

TXEric: It will be involuntary/aggravated manslaughter, or at most 2nd degree murder.


And that's fine. I don't think George Zimmerman (dammit, I wrote Martin again!) intended to kill anyone that day. He just wanted to play cop and feel like a badass. Of course, how much of a badass are you if you successfully shoot and kill someone who doesn't even have a weapon?
2012-04-11 03:16:19 PM
2 votes:

blackhalo: "Fla. Stat. 776.013(3)A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony."


So charge him with stalking too. Now he was engaged in unlawful activity.
2012-04-11 03:10:52 PM
2 votes:
If Zimmerman is currently in a "stand your ground" state, he better hope that no one recognizes him and feels threatened.
2012-04-11 03:10:07 PM
2 votes:
I assume people will remember this when a black guy does something wrong and some white guys want his head?

Justice system has just been dismantled, nobody wins here. Courts are now run by the mob, and the personal feelings of the President. Blah. Guilty or innocent, we all lose today.
2012-04-11 03:10:02 PM
2 votes:
Maybe he's in White-Mexico.
2012-04-11 03:09:19 PM
2 votes:
I bet 9beers is hiding Zimmerman in his basement safe and sound.
2012-04-11 03:09:03 PM
2 votes:
What's the over/under on him being located in a white Ford Bronco on a California freeway?
2012-04-11 03:08:26 PM
2 votes:

attention span of a retarded fruit fly: You mean that when you follow someone and shoot and kill them you CANT call self defense?

really?


Or at the very least, if you do, the validity of that claim should be adjudicated in the proper setting, i.e. a courtroom, and not after a 15-minute investigation in the dark and rain at 3AM by a police department known for its incompetence.
2012-04-11 03:05:33 PM
2 votes:

oldfarthenry: And now - a sane rational discussion. (May God have mercy on us.)


Yep.

Leaving now.
2012-04-11 03:05:23 PM
2 votes:
Everyone, you have until 6 PM to evacuate Florida. This will be the only announcement.
2012-04-11 03:04:29 PM
2 votes:

attention span of a retarded fruit fly: You mean that when you follow someone and shoot and kill them you CANT call self defense?

really?



You can as long as no one is paying attention.
2012-04-11 03:03:40 PM
2 votes:
He could make it a lot harder to identify him if he wears a hoodie.
2012-04-11 03:03:37 PM
2 votes:
So much for not being a flight risk, eh?

Honestly I'll wait and see before I call that one but he doesn't seem too anxious to make himself..um, available.
2012-04-11 03:02:20 PM
2 votes:
"You can stop looking in Florida," his former attorney Hal Uhrig told press yesterday. "Look much further away than that."

Alpha Centauri??

/no, think closer than that
2012-04-11 03:01:44 PM
2 votes:
Oh, Zimmerman, where you gonna run to? Oh Zimmerman, where you gonna run to?
2012-04-11 03:01:41 PM
2 votes:
His dad is a big judge at he U.N., he is probably in Switzerland by now
2012-04-14 05:41:36 PM
1 votes:

vygramul: No, the NRA teaches you that a gun gets you out of hazardous situations - it does not enable you to get into one.


Zimmerman left his vehicle so he could give the dispatcher the information they were requesting on the suspects whereabouts. The fact that he had a gun is irrelevant and you have no way of proving that he went looking for trouble. He had every right to be armed.
2012-04-12 10:12:45 PM
1 votes:

NightOwl2255: Got to love Fark posters.

Phinn takes a posters statement that "(Zimmerman) is the most unloved man since Hitler" and turns that into Zimmerman is "the New Hitler". Silly Jesus morphs that into "the ZIMMERMAN IS RACIST ALSO HITLER crowd".

So a Zimmerman supporter takes a statement that in no way compares Zimmerman to Hitler and implies that someone is comparing Zimmerman to Hitler. Silly Jesus makes the completely dishonest leap that there's people calling Zimmerman Hitler when in fact, the only ones doing so are him and Phinn.

Approves:
[i939.photobucket.com image 427x320]


You must be new here. *checks profile* Nope. Hmm, what could possibly be the explanation then for not recognizing a very common "meme", if you will, used on Fark constantly? Are you just oblivious or are you purposefully being disingenuous and dense in an attempt to prove some point?

The "ALSO HITLER" tag line, usually typed in all caps, is very frequently added to the end of someone's diatribe about how awful someone is. It's an over-the-top Godwin. It's purposefully absurd in an attempt to point out the absurdity of the text that it's tacked onto the end of.

Now that we've had that revelation, please do know that I am not trying to imply that anyone is comparing Zimmerman to Hitler, nor am I doing so. I was using the "meme", which I thought was common knowledge. Evidently it's not (again, assuming that you aren't just being dense on purpose).

/hitler
2012-04-12 09:10:52 PM
1 votes:

ChuDogg: 9beers: Wow, the affidavit has been released and they have absolutely nothing that's going to prove that Zimmerman committed a crime.

They say Zimmerman continued following Martin after being told not to by a dispatcher. Zimmerman answered "OK" and there's absolutely nothing to prove he continued following Martin.

They say that Zimmerman started the confrontation while Martin was trying to return home. There's absolutely no proof of that.

They say that Martin's mother confirmed that it's Trayvon heard screaming on the 911 calls. Zimmerman's brother confirms that it's George. Guess we have a stalemate here. Have to give the decision to Zimmerman though since we have an eyewitness that saw Zimmerman screaming for help.

They say that the girlfriend said that Martin was scared because he was being followed. There's no way to prove that anything she says is true and her testimony will be torn to shreds as biased.

Wow, just farking wow. I really thought they'd have some smoking gun as to why Zimmerman is guilty but all they have is speculations and things that can't be proven. Zimmerman's attorney must be smiling from ear to ear getting this easy win dropped into his lap.

I think most of us here are beginning to recognize one another \as we've debated the facts and evidence in the case over and over. The one thing I've noticed is about 95% of people have no interest in analyzing evidence being presented before them. Of course I've known that all along but it begins to shine through here as well, only a few posters have even attempted to challenge the facts and most simply replay what is being pushed out by the Martin PR team.

95% people are really only interested in the narrative that get's replayed over and over again before them. It's probably a natural human condition of having time constraints that we look for readily available cues to determine a judgement of what is correct to form our opinion.

Anyways, If I was a lawyer I would be offering to pay ...


I believe something just like this was the subject of a recent Fark article / thread about Fox News viewers. Some study about how they liked hearing their own opinions confirmed and not having to think too hard. That's an excellent summary of the ZIMMERMAN IS RACIST ALSO HITLER crowd. They don't strike me as the Fox News type, though...ther than blindly parroting nonsense that has clearly been disproved time and time again.
2012-04-12 09:01:39 PM
1 votes:

9beers: Wow, the affidavit has been released and they have absolutely nothing that's going to prove that Zimmerman committed a crime.

They say Zimmerman continued following Martin after being told not to by a dispatcher. Zimmerman answered "OK" and there's absolutely nothing to prove he continued following Martin.

They say that Zimmerman started the confrontation while Martin was trying to return home. There's absolutely no proof of that.

They say that Martin's mother confirmed that it's Trayvon heard screaming on the 911 calls. Zimmerman's brother confirms that it's George. Guess we have a stalemate here. Have to give the decision to Zimmerman though since we have an eyewitness that saw Zimmerman screaming for help.

They say that the girlfriend said that Martin was scared because he was being followed. There's no way to prove that anything she says is true and her testimony will be torn to shreds as biased.

Wow, just farking wow. I really thought they'd have some smoking gun as to why Zimmerman is guilty but all they have is speculations and things that can't be proven. Zimmerman's attorney must be smiling from ear to ear getting this easy win dropped into his lap.


I think most of us here are beginning to recognize one another \as we've debated the facts and evidence in the case over and over. The one thing I've noticed is about 95% of people have no interest in analyzing evidence being presented before them. Of course I've known that all along but it begins to shine through here as well, only a few posters have even attempted to challenge the facts and most simply replay what is being pushed out by the Martin PR team.

95% people are really only interested in the narrative that get's replayed over and over again before them. It's probably a natural human condition of having time constraints that we look for readily available cues to determine a judgement of what is correct to form our opinion.

Anyways, If I was a lawyer I would be offering to pay to take this case. All people will hear for months on end is how racist "profiling" Zimmerman chased, confronted, and gunned down an innocent boy. Sure the facts will come out eventually, but 95% of the people aren't going to have their minds changed like that and most won't even bother to pay attention. Why listen to the facts when you've already heard the narrative 5 times a day for 3 months? For the rest of your career you'll be the guy that "got that nazi off that chased after and killed a child". Sure that kinda sucks, but you can charge whatever you want for the rest of your career.
2012-04-12 07:47:47 PM
1 votes:

JuggleGeek: 9beers: How did Martin and Zimmerman ever come face to face if Martin had continued on his way home?

Pretending that Zimmerman didn't chase Martin is stupid. Zimmerman didn't stay in his car. He killed Martin in someones backyard. We all know that he chased Martin.


We don't know that he chased him. Chasing means that you intend to catch the person. Zimmerman was as likely, if not more likely, just trying to identify which way the kid went and never expected to bump into him.
2012-04-12 07:32:22 PM
1 votes:

JuggleGeek: 9beers: How did Martin and Zimmerman ever come face to face if Martin had continued on his way home?

Pretending that Zimmerman didn't chase Martin is stupid. Zimmerman didn't stay in his car. He killed Martin in someones backyard. We all know that he chased Martin.


We know that he stopped chasing him and then remained on the phone. Martin would have been home before Zimmerman got off the phone. You can't deny that.
2012-04-12 06:07:44 PM
1 votes:
Wow, the affidavit has been released and they have absolutely nothing that's going to prove that Zimmerman committed a crime.

They say Zimmerman continued following Martin after being told not to by a dispatcher. Zimmerman answered "OK" and there's absolutely nothing to prove he continued following Martin.

They say that Zimmerman started the confrontation while Martin was trying to return home. There's absolutely no proof of that.

They say that Martin's mother confirmed that it's Trayvon heard screaming on the 911 calls. Zimmerman's brother confirms that it's George. Guess we have a stalemate here. Have to give the decision to Zimmerman though since we have an eyewitness that saw Zimmerman screaming for help.

They say that the girlfriend said that Martin was scared because he was being followed. There's no way to prove that anything she says is true and her testimony will be torn to shreds as biased.

Wow, just farking wow. I really thought they'd have some smoking gun as to why Zimmerman is guilty but all they have is speculations and things that can't be proven. Zimmerman's attorney must be smiling from ear to ear getting this easy win dropped into his lap.
2012-04-12 06:06:26 PM
1 votes:

omeganuepsilon: NightOwl2255: omeganuepsilon: You were equivocating out of ignorance, and you do so again even after I explained how the word can be used in multiple ways, ergo you are doing it with intent.

omeganuepsilon: farking idiots!

omeganuepsilon: You're on Time-out, go sit by Mrtraveler01, or else it's the dunce hat and standing in the corner AND I call your parents.

omeganuepsilon: "OMG, someone call the mental ward, I found a mean person who can identify my fallacies!" Pfft, whatever.

omeganuepsilon: Some retards just really don't get that, especially the Fark Pedant Brigade.

omeganuepsilon: Excuse me for trying to use some civility on the internet

Why is it every supporter of Zimmerman is a hypocritical douchebag?

Please, please put me on ignore you little sniveling prick.

I knew a troll like you would attempt that.

read what I posted again.

I did not claim to only be civil, just that I use some civility.


You know, I'm in the not-convinced-that-Zimmerman-is-guilty-of-a-crime camp, but I'm not sure I want to be on the same side as you.
2012-04-12 01:47:02 PM
1 votes:

keithgabryelski: Silly Jesus:
Both acts were equally legal...why did Zimmerman have a burden to stay in his truck, legal or otherwise?

omeganuepsilon: keithgabryelski: and it doesn't seem like he would be had george zimmerman stayed in his car.

Or a million other choices in a hundred other people's lives.


somewhat relevant is that one of these choice's outcome can been seen to possibly lead to an altercation and end of life. carrying a gun during a neighborhood watch operation where you approach and confront a target seems like you are taking a risk and probably endangering yourself, the person you confront, and the people near you.

the other choices (like walking home with skittles in your hand) can not be seen as possibly or likely leading to the end of life.

possibly is not the perfect word in that last sentence, but I hope you get my point.


We see the act of walking around a neighborhood that has been victimized by crime while carrying a gun, very differently. I have lived in such a neighborhood and acted similarly to Zimmerman (without the physical altercation part) in several instances. My "vigilantism" led to several arrests and recovery of property. So, I don't give what Zimmerman did (up until the physical altercation, about which there are many questions) as remotely inadvisable legally, morally or otherwise.

The police and prosecutors were always very thankful and commented that they wished that more would participate in their community like I did. The police can't be everywhere at all times, and their very existence doesn't exclude ordinary citizens from looking out for their own families and neighborhood. To automatically vilify such action is frankly sad.
2012-04-12 01:35:09 PM
1 votes:

Silly Jesus:
Both acts were equally legal...why did Zimmerman have a burden to stay in his truck, legal or otherwise?


omeganuepsilon: keithgabryelski: and it doesn't seem like he would be had george zimmerman stayed in his car.

Or a million other choices in a hundred other people's lives.


somewhat relevant is that one of these choice's outcome can been seen to possibly lead to an altercation and end of life. carrying a gun during a neighborhood watch operation where you approach and confront a target seems like you are taking a risk and probably endangering yourself, the person you confront, and the people near you.

the other choices (like walking home with skittles in your hand) can not be seen as possibly or likely leading to the end of life.

possibly is not the perfect word in that last sentence, but I hope you get my point.
2012-04-12 01:05:20 PM
1 votes:

frepnog: yeah, hard to cry "RACISM" "HATE CRIME" when it is obvious that GZ was not racist (indicated by his previous actions in life).


All indications are Zimmerman was not a racist. And all indications are race played a part in why Zimmerman thought Martin was suspicious. The two are not mutually exclusive.
2012-04-12 12:27:09 PM
1 votes:

keithgabryelski: Phinn: keithgabryelski: walking home with skittles in your hand when you are 17 is not considered an adult action.

Punching someone and bashing his head on the pavement for asking what you're doing is adult action.

if, indeed, it happened like that -- Martin was wrong.

but it isn't obvious to me that is the complete or event correct part of the story.

what we do know is there is a dead kid who doesn't seem like he was looking for trouble.

and we have george zimmerman, who by definition of neighborhood watch, was looking for trouble.

the connotation of "looking for trouble" may be poor -- but damn it, this kid is dead -- and it doesn't seem like he would be had george zimmerman stayed in his car.


I've yet to understand this line of argument.

He also wouldn't be dead if he didn't go to buy skittles.

Both acts were equally legal...why did Zimmerman have a burden to stay in his truck, legal or otherwise?

This argument is meaningless.
2012-04-12 10:59:56 AM
1 votes:

Mike Chewbacca: eraser8: vegasj: Have they addressed all the black on white violent crimes yet? I'm waiting.

What does that have to do with this case?

And please, Vegasj, show us a case where a black person homocided a white person and hasn't been charged with a crime.


VegasJ is a jackass clown who, by using my hometown in his name, give it a very bad rep. He's an empty suit and should be placed on ignore, but if you want to have a bigot comeout and show his colors, just let him continue to embarrass himself.

Pretty pathetic he's blaming minorities for the fact that he just sucks at anything he does.
2012-04-12 09:20:15 AM
1 votes:
Has anyone bothered to check with the evidence room at the Miami Metro Police Department to see if anyone ever claimed the women's jewelry that Trayvon Martin had in his possession?

The women's jewelry he was "holding for a friend."

The true owner of the women's jewelry that was taken off of Trayvon Martin would likely have gone to the police to claim it.

With all the millions of dollars being spent on media coverage and lawyers, you'd think someone could verify this simple piece of evidence of Martin's propensity toward thievery.
2012-04-12 08:48:19 AM
1 votes:
If the trial reveals Martin was acting like a thug and Zimmerman was justified, I'm sure the black community will apologize for getting worked up over this and will look inward toward teaching kids to stop acting like gangsters.

/no two things in the above sentence will ever happen.
2012-04-12 08:14:38 AM
1 votes:

Molavian: I wonder what will happen when the judge tosses this out?


Nothing, during the press conference, Sharpton and all of the other AW's, claimed that "justice has been served". When Zimmerman is acquitted, they'll be the voice of reason and the angry mob will stay home.

Just kidding, they gonna riot their assess off and get them that big screen TV.
2012-04-12 02:03:22 AM
1 votes:

ChuDogg: Zimmerman moved behind the house where he saw Zimmerman running, hoping to get a view of his flight through the neighborhood.


Keep in mind Trayvon was talking on the phone with his GF the whole time - this is a fact known by the call records. The idea he was hiding in the bushes or a patio a few feet from Zimmerman, as your link shows, is just ridiculous. It also seems strange that Trayvon would turn around and walk back up the path, in full view of Zimmerman standing at the intersection, given that he was just running away from him.

Zimmerman wouldn't have to run to catch Trayvon at the cross-path - he could simply be walking briskly and talking as soon as he saw Martin round the curve. This actually syncs up with Martin's last words to his GF: "he's right behind me", indicating he might have caught him at the cross-path below where he was killed.
2012-04-12 01:44:25 AM
1 votes:

TheShavingofOccam123: Dispatcher: Okay do you want to just meet with them right near the mailboxes then?
Zimmerman: Yeah that's fine.

[He agrees to meet the cops at a specific location]

Dispatcher: Alright George, I'll let them know to meet you around there okay?
Zimmerman: Actually could you have them call me and I'll tell them where I'm at?

[He decides he's not going to meet them at that specific location]

Dispatcher: Okay, yeah that's no problem.


theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com

The probable reason (at least to me) that Zimmerman changed from "I'll meet you at the mailboxes" (B at upper left) to "call me and I'll tell them where I'm at" is because he intended moving to a place where he wouldn't be able to see the cops drive in via the entrance near the mailboxes. If he knew he could see them enter, he wouldn't have had to have them call him.

To me this means he didn't intend on being at the mailboxes nor at his vehicle from which he could see the mailboxes. He intended on going around the buildings that would obscure his view of the cops.
2012-04-12 01:36:39 AM
1 votes:

ChuDogg: The altercation takes place at the first house, so this map is immediately incorrect. It misidentifies Zimmerman's truck, which was reported multiple times, including by Martin's father, as being at the bend at the walkway.


We only know where the body fell, not where the altercation started. The 911 tapes indicate the fight itself lasted a while, so it could have it started at the red X and moved up the walkway.

And the location of the truck on the map presumably represents where Zimmerman first encountered Martin, not where he parked it after following him.

If anything, this map is a lot more consistent with the time gaps we have, and makes more sense given the verifiable behaviors of each person (Martin running home, Zimmerman in pursuit).

bcclist.files.wordpress.com
2012-04-12 01:21:41 AM
1 votes:

ChuDogg: How did he confront Martin? How did he chase Martin and wind up exactly where he was when he got off the phone? Where was martin for the minute and half when Zimmerman was on the phone with the police? Why didn't Martin run back to his house during this minute and half?


The simplest answers will come when we know more about the details of the scene. Zimmerman may have cut him off and forced him back up the walkway (see below). The fight itself went on a long time too, and may have moved around in that walkway.

bcclist.files.wordpress.com
2012-04-12 12:56:43 AM
1 votes:
Here's a fun idea to both amuse and befuddle the masses...

The New Black Panther Party has offered at least $10,000 (and possibly $100,000, sorry I can't follow all the details on this community organized story) for the arrest or death of George Zimmerman.

So, since Georgy boy turned himself in to the police, does the New Black Panther Party owe Zimmerman some cash?

I say those black pussies guys owe him some cash.
2012-04-12 12:21:26 AM
1 votes:

gimmegimme: s2s2s2: gimmegimme: Trayvon Martin's position

Would you expect someone un George's position(under his attacker) to use "pretty please"?

George was not committing an independent felony. SYG may very well prevent an indictment.

I think it's perfectly fine for a victim to fight back against his or her stalker. I wish Rebecca Schaefer had been able to fight back against hers.


So George had been stalking him for how long? How many stalkers call the police while "stalking"?

Using that word means you are making unfounded assumptions.
2012-04-12 12:20:52 AM
1 votes:

billwill: davynelson: i don't get why the delay.

on the 911 call he was told to stay where he was and not to pursue.

he pursued anyway, shot and killed somebody innocent of any crime.

stand your ground? he chased and murdered.

Are you trolling? Zimmerman clams that he stopped pursuit when advised to by the 911 operator and the kid doubled back and sucker punched him in the nose nocking him down. Then Treyvon Martin repeatedly bashed his head into the sidewalk While Z called out for help and only then did he pull his gun and shoot Martin.

There was even a witness who said he saw Zimmerman on his back being beaten by Martin.

Witness saw Trayvon beating George (new window)


Try a different source. Then I'll consider your point.

www.pensitoreview.com
2012-04-11 11:29:48 PM
1 votes:

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: And Trayvon Martin's hands don't show the marks of a fight. Zimmerman faked his injuries, lied to the cops, and he will burn for it.



Does a fight always leave marks on the hands?

If you grabbed someones head and smashed their head against the ground where on your hands would the marks be?
2012-04-11 11:06:29 PM
1 votes:

Your Average Witty Fark User: You know that's a bounty for his arrest and not his murder, right?


Really?

www.mediaite.com
2012-04-11 11:04:50 PM
1 votes:
Piece of shiat should get life. I'm not for the death penalty.
2012-04-11 10:40:52 PM
1 votes:
Zimmerman's toast. Even the guy who wrote the SYG law says it doesn't apply to this case. I hope they throw his racist ass in prison for life and give him an extra 20 years for talking to Hannity.
2012-04-11 10:38:45 PM
1 votes:

bugontherug: 2) the key words being "17 year-old." Under Florida law, that makes Trayvon a child.


"17 year-old" does not make Martin a "child" under Florida law. As has been discussed at great length earlier in this thread, unless Zimmerman is charged with violating a law that classifies Martin as a child because of his age (for instance, a sexual abuse law), the question of whether or not Martin is a "child" is simply part of a sociological, not legal debate.

As a 17 year old, Martin has the legal status of a minor who has not achieved the age of majority that allows him to exercise the rights of an adult. Unless it is for a specific purpose (e.g., child protection laws that define a victim as a child based on stated ages), the law itself does not call Martin a child. Rather, he is a minor.

The repeated use of phrases like "child killer" and "killer of an unarmed child" are attempts to capitalize on the emotions associated with bad things happening to children. It is much more provocative to suggest that Zimmerman killed a child than it is to say Zimmerman shot a 17 year old.

This hyperbole is common in social and political debate. Just look at how Congress constantly takes advantage of every opportunity to throw Child or Children or Child Protection in bill after bill. Why? Because the sponsors know that it looks bad for any Representative or Senator to be on record voting against anything involving child protection, regardless of how bad the proposed law may be.

What Zimmerman is accused of doing is bad enough. If you are focused on the facts and on seeing a just outcome, then there's no need to insist on the "child killer" nonsense. He killed a 17 year old, and the question is whether he was allowed under the law to do so. Prating about with the "child killer" refrain is just an appeal to emotion and an attempt to fuel rage. It does not add anything of value to the discussion.
2012-04-11 10:21:59 PM
1 votes:

Amos Quito: Had both Zimmerman and Martin been of the same race (both black, white, whatever), we would NOT be having this discussion.


You are right, but for the wrong reason.

If Martin was white, Zimmerman wouldn't have called the police, confronted or killed him. He probably wouldn't have even thought twice about a white kid walking down the street in the rain with a hoodie on. He wouldn't say to the dispatcher that it looked like Martin was "on drugs", or say "these assholes always get away" when Martin ran away from a stranger following him. Martin's race was an obvious factor in how Zimmerman perceived him that night, and it's an obvious factor in how we perceive Martin now.
2012-04-11 10:20:45 PM
1 votes:

Amos Quito: Racist? I have seen no convincing evidence supporting this allegation, and much contradictory evidence.

Child? A 17 year-old football player standing 6'1 and weighing 160 lbs - who managed to break the gun-toting Zimmerman's nose and bash his head against the concrete - he was hardly a toddler.

Also, had both been the same race OR if Martin had killed Zimmerman, I doubt you'd give a shiat.



1) "f*cking coons"

2) the key words being "17 year-old." Under Florida law, that makes Trayvon a child.

3) If Zimmerman was black, he would have been taken into custody and charged, and I would have never heard of the case. If Trayvon had killed Zimmerman, he would have been taken into custody and charged, and I would never had heard of the case. So you're right. I wouldn't give a sh*t.

But what happened here was an adult with a history of criminal violence and carrying a loaded firearm hunted down an unarmed child carrying on legitimate business because of his race, and shot him. And he wasn't even charged, and the great weight of the evidence shows the police in a community with racial issues bungled the investigation. And yeah, that's newsworthy.

Did you know they tested Trayvon's body for the presence of drugs and alcohol... but not Zimmerman? Zimmerman shot a child to death... and they didn't test his body for the presence of drugs and alcohol.
2012-04-11 09:51:59 PM
1 votes:

ParagonComplex: What's gonna happen if this guy is found not guilty? It'll be a reverse OJ.


I think people will be okay with it. I really do. All people wanted was some sort of acknowledgment that no, you CAN'T just kill someone, claim you were scared of them, and then walk away with no repercussions. That's the thing so many people on the Right just don't seem to understand. If Zimmerman goes to trial and legitimately convinces a jury that Martin attacked him and he killed him in self-defense, then hooray for George Zimmerman. Hell, for all any of us know, that's exactly what happened.

I said this before back when this case first broke, and nobody wanted to listen: this has never been about race. It has always been about the idea that owning a gun somehow makes you judge, jury, and executioner. That's the heart of this case. The Right Wing flocked to Zimmerman's defense not because he was a light-skinned guy who killed a dark-skinned guy, (although I'm assuming that for many of them, it was certainly a bonus) but because they realized that if they didn't, their entire ethos of "American would be safer if everyone packed a gun, and shot anyone who annoyed them" would be revealed for the sack of crap it so obviously is.
2012-04-11 09:42:36 PM
1 votes:
I do.

And I don't.

I want justice for humankind, but i fear we'll never get it b/c we don't seem to get it.

*sigh*

melanin is melanin.

violence is violence.

human is human.

enough!

plea.

please.

thank you.

;)
2012-04-11 09:41:26 PM
1 votes:

SubBass49: bugontherug: 9beers: bugontherug: since it appears to exculpate from all liability an aggressor who assaults someone, and then kills him when the victim defends himself.

Except that it doesn't.

Some people have been quoting language to the effect that even if Zimmerman started the fight, he had the right to kill Trayvon if during the course of the fight Zimmerman came to believe deadly force was necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm. Viewing the text of the statute, I can't find that language. Maybe it doesn't exist after all.

Imagine the flood gates such a ruling would open...


Gang Member: Well, officer, he was gonna kill me...I had to shoot him.

Officer: You followed him for 3 blocks in your car while he rode his bike away from you. You jumped out of your car and tackled him, then proceeded to engage in mutual combat. He got the upper hand after a few minutes, so you shot & killed him.

Gang Member: Yes, sir.

Officer: Sounds completely logical...let me undo your handcuffs.


i208.photobucket.com
2012-04-11 09:34:00 PM
1 votes:

Amos Quito: Two guys had a confrontation. A violent struggle erupted and one died. It was bad, tragic even, but I fail to see where criminal charges are warranted. Would you be calling for Trayvon's head had he managed to shoot Zimmerman with his own gun, or succeeded in bashing his brains out on the sidewalk?


The opposite of this situation happened recently. Trevor Dooley (a black man) shot and killed David James (a white man) in Tampa, Florida. Dooley was arrested and charged within two days and went to trial (no verdict yet), using the stand your ground defense. Why the disparity between the two cases?

Here's a better question. If I stalk your girlfriend/wife/homosexual lover/mom/etc, creep up on them, they take off running, I run after them. Do you support my right to shoot her in the face if she so much as turns to attempt to get me to back off? Please take into account that I'm Asian. We hold the high score.

i.imgur.com
2012-04-11 09:30:30 PM
1 votes:

ComicBookGuy: Okieboy: Justice - bending to the mob rule mentality to appease the masses, nice.

Lemme guess: you're white, conservative, and don't like Obama?


Lemme guess, you're white, obese, liberal, and live in your Mom's basement in an upper-middle class white suburb whose school district line ends just before the poor neighborhood by complete coincidence.

/your parents didn't move there because they're racist, they just really care about education!
//white people like Zimmerman who live in neighborhoods like Sanford are just getting what they deserve, amiright?
2012-04-11 09:18:50 PM
1 votes:

Amos Quito: ChuDogg: Police found a single shell casing at the scene, and when they seized George Zimmerman's handgun, a Kel Tel 9 mm, its magazine was full, according to a source close to the investigation. The only bullet missing was the one in the chamber, the source said.

Link (new window)

Why didn't it fully cycle? Because someone was holding onto the slide. If the gun slide doesn't slide all the way back, then the next bullet cannot be pushed into place by the magazine spring.

If this is true, it shows a scuffle over the gun. The prosecution can claim that Zimmerman chased Martin, confronted Martin, initiated contact with Martin, drag audio analysts to say it he said "coons" or even that it was Martin screaming, or everything else that has been alleged by the lawyer and the media, but if Zimmerman can show that Martin had grabbed his gun at the time of the conflict and he had no choice but to shoot, he couldn't fall under the "demonstrating a depraved mind" at the scene to qualify for a murder charge.


Good points./


Absolutely incorrect. A struggle for the gun increases> Zimmerman's culpability, not decreases it. If there was a struggle for the gun, and Trayvon was on the receiving end, Zimmerman cannot claim that shooting Trayvon was necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm. The gun just wasn't pointing at Zimmerman. He wasn't in imminent danger. Trayvon was. And especially since Zimmerman was first aggressor, as established by his conduct in stalking Trayvon with a loaded firearm, his history of criminal violence which shows character and action in conformity with character, by failing to say "freeze" or "hold it" or "stop fighting" when he had the gun pointed at Trayvon, Zimmerman failed to exhaust all possibility of escape.

Packing heat seems to to have given the already overzealous Zimmerman more balls that sense, but it would appear that the physical altercation began before Zimm pulled the gun out - as had Zimm been brandishing, Martin would never have gotten close.

Failing to brandish shows Zimmerman's depraved indifference to Trayvon's life. As you admit, had he brandished, Martin would never have gotten close. By failing to brandish before he molested Trayvon, Zimmerman increased the likelihood of a physical confrontation he knew very well could end in death.

charges are now being brought is because the crowd is crying "crucify him, crucify him"!


Why does it not surprise me to hear a racist child killer is equivalent in your mind to the messiah?
Justice on auto-Pilate
2012-04-11 09:07:30 PM
1 votes:

Indubitably: Word.


You have to be the biggest imbecile on this site. When I read any of your posts I immediately regret having wasted my time. Do us a favor and lurk more.

I know this comment won't help, since you are absolutely starved for attention.
2012-04-11 08:52:28 PM
1 votes:
Hey guys, these threads are over. Save it for the trial. Besides, the NHL playoffs are now in session.
2012-04-11 08:37:48 PM
1 votes:
Dear KKK/Aryan Nation:

How to Kill Brown People Legally in Florida

1. Find a lone unarmed brown person with no witnesses around.
2. Stalk them -- even if authorities instruct you that "it's not a good idea".
3. Confront them.
4. Harass them enough so that they feel they need to defend themselves.
5. Shoot and kill them when you start to lose.
6. Claim "self-defense".

Thank you for "standing your ground".

*** THIS IS WHAT REPUBLICANS ACTUALLY BELIEVE ***
2012-04-11 08:31:22 PM
1 votes:

Thunderpipes: Lynch mobs now are legitimate, from the President on down. No evidence needed, just mob anger and the race card. This will end well......


Yeah, lots of people get mad when an armed rentacop wannabe shoots an unarmed teenager that he was following for no good reason.

As for the case, the prosecutor blew it. She could get convictions on Manslaughter or Criminally Negligent Homicide, but she had to go for the big charge.

It's like Florida prosecutors learned nothing from Casey Anthony.
2012-04-11 08:14:08 PM
1 votes:

themeaningoflifeisnot: As long as that tiny shred of evidence exists, the prosecution must bear the burden of proving beyond a reasonable doubt that George Zimmerman was not justified in using deadly force against Trayvon Martin.


We don't even know yet whether Florida's 'Stand Your Ground' is applicable to this incident.

If Martin attacked Zimmerman unprovoked, it does.
If Zimmerman provoked Martin, it doesn't.
If Zimmerman didn't have reasonable cause for fear of imminent death or great bodily harm from his unarmed teenaged assailant, it doesn't.
If Martin had stopped attacking Zimmerman when the shot was fired, it doesn't.
If Martin never actually attacked Zimmerman, it doesn't.

These are not determinations a police detective can conclusively make at the scene, These are questions to be decided within the legal system.

That a law's applicability can only be evaluated in court, but this law explicitly takes steps to discourage its applicability from being evaluated in court, is part of the reason why it a badly, badly flawed.
2012-04-11 08:04:54 PM
1 votes:

Mavent: The thread is moving fast, but I hope Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom sees this:

Dow, you've usually been a voice of reason in these threads, that much I acknowledge even if we don't agree. So I'm gonna leave all the hyperbole aside for a second and ask you a straight-up question: Do you think that the media is responsible for Zimmerman being charged? No, I'm not trying to set you up. :) I just want to know what you think, as I've admired your restraint through all this.


No, I don't think the media is responsible. I think they may have played a part in increasing the political pressure for some type of official response, but no, I don't think its fair to say that the media is at fault.

I think that the media and the accumulating political significance played a non-pivotal role but a role none the less. But to be honest, I trust that the prosecution has conducted a thorough investigation, and feels that it can try an fair case against Zimmermang.
2012-04-11 08:01:59 PM
1 votes:

ChuDogg: murder one conviction


No one is asking for murder one, are they?

Second degree murder or manslaughter seem more likely to me. I haven't seen people saying this shooting was premeditated at all - guy might have been profiling, and done stuff he shouldn't have to start this situation, but I haven't seen anyone thinking that Zimmerman set out to kill someone that night.
2012-04-11 07:58:26 PM
1 votes:
My last post, but if anybody wants to see how hard it will be for a murder one conviction, consider the following.

i39.tinypic.com

Police found a single shell casing at the scene, and when they seized George Zimmerman's handgun, a Kel Tel 9 mm, its magazine was full, according to a source close to the investigation. The only bullet missing was the one in the chamber, the source said.

Link (new window)

Why didn't it fully cycle? Because someone was holding onto the slide. If the gun slide doesn't slide all the way back, then the next bullet cannot be pushed into place by the magazine spring.

If this is true, it shows a scuffle over the gun. The prosecution can claim that Zimmerman chased Martin, confronted Martin, initiated contact with Martin, drag audio analysts to say it he said "coons" or even that it was Martin screaming, or everything else that has been alleged by the lawyer and the media, but if Zimmerman can show that Martin had grabbed his gun at the time of the conflict and he had no choice but to shoot, he couldn't fall under the "demonstrating a depraved mind" at the scene to qualify for a murder charge.
2012-04-11 07:35:04 PM
1 votes:

bugontherug: 9beers: bugontherug: since it appears to exculpate from all liability an aggressor who assaults someone, and then kills him when the victim defends himself.

Except that it doesn't.

Some people have been quoting language to the effect that even if Zimmerman started the fight, he had the right to kill Trayvon if during the course of the fight Zimmerman came to believe deadly force was necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm. Viewing the text of the statute, I can't find that language. Maybe it doesn't exist after all.


Imagine the flood gates such a ruling would open...


Gang Member: Well, officer, he was gonna kill me...I had to shoot him.

Officer: You followed him for 3 blocks in your car while he rode his bike away from you. You jumped out of your car and tackled him, then proceeded to engage in mutual combat. He got the upper hand after a few minutes, so you shot & killed him.

Gang Member: Yes, sir.

Officer: Sounds completely logical...let me undo your handcuffs.
2012-04-11 07:25:32 PM
1 votes:

OnlyM3: The_Six_Fingered_Man

Looks like 2nd Degree Murder and George is already in custody, according to AP.

So all the lib-tards running around here saying George was running and a flight risk had their head up their collective a--es just like they have on every other point since this story got green lit the first time.


This means Zimmerman is innocent, Trayvon deserved it, Sarah Palin is Empress and Reagan has been resurrected to serve as Emperor.
2012-04-11 07:25:24 PM
1 votes:

bugontherug: 1) The Florida stand your ground law is blindingly stupid, since it appears to exculpate from all liability an aggressor who assaults someone, and then kills him when the victim defends himself. Only true sh*tbags could come up with such an idiotic law. Seriously. You have to be a moron.

2) The right to keep and bear arms does not necessitate a stand your ground rule or anything like it. The state may even permissibly impose a duty to retreat--though I would prefer it be renamed a "duty to seek to avoid confrontation"--even though the same state is prohibited from barring firearms ownership or possession.

3) In my view, you shouldn't be allowed to shoot someone just for trespassing. You really shouldn't be allowed to shoot someone unless doing so is necessary to avoid death or great bodily harm after making reasonable efforts to avoid physical confrontation altogether. You certainly shouldn't be allowed to use lethal force just to defend property.


I'm with you 100% on all counts. I've softened on gun ownership over the years. Still don't own one, just think you should be able to if you want. Personally I think they are more trouble than they are worth - I'm more than halfway done and have yet to encounter a situation where a gun would have done me a damn bit of good. I suppose I'd defend the life of my family against some nut trying to kill people but I don't own one single thing I'd shoot someone for taking - seriously. If the choice is you stealing my car or my bill ripken farkface card or my wife's wedding ring... just take it. I can get new shiat. I'd prefer spending the rest of my days without imaging someone's dead ass on my lawn.
2012-04-11 07:19:09 PM
1 votes:

gimmegimme: xebeche_tzu: A guy shoots and kills a kid in the street, so we charge him for it? Man, that's harsh. And only a month to figure that out?

Maybe you haven't heard: the kid was black and the shooter was white. So it's somehow self defense to shoot the unarmed black person you're stalking.

(Wow, it really does sound like 1854 when you put it that way.)


Really? Then why did Zimmermang just get charged with 2nd degree murder after a thorough investigation? You won. Political pressure trumped justice in this case. Congratulations. You can stop with the butthurt now.
2012-04-11 07:16:27 PM
1 votes:
First thing Z's lawyer should do is get Sharpton et out of the picture.

Saying something like "we don't want a rush to judgement, like what happened in the Tawana Brawley and Duke lacross cases" should calm the media down and remove Al Sharpton from the picture.

The media has a history of siding with blacks in high-profile race-card cases - the above statement should cause the media to navel gaze for a few weeks and leave Z alone.
2012-04-11 07:13:38 PM
1 votes:

Katolu: Begun, the race wars have.


Anyone with any sense, regardless of race, knew that he needed to charged. But there a big difference between being charged and convicted - they're going to need to prove guilt, for killing a black kid, in Florida.

I'll say right now, he'll be either acquitted or it'll be a hung jury; either way he walks - and a certain amount of broken windows and free HDTV's will need to happen before things are finally evened out.
2012-04-11 07:08:24 PM
1 votes:

Taikoluigi: Does this mean we'll quit seeing this crap in the news now?

Or will it be another farking month or so?


A man with serious paranoia issues stalked and murdered a teen boy because the teen boy fit the 'profile' of a criminal--i.e. black teen male wearing a hoodie.

Would you prefer we talk about Kim Kardashian's latest fashion, or would you like to sit at the adult table and discuss issues actually important to society?
2012-04-11 07:06:55 PM
1 votes:

bugontherug: I guess the point is that the defendant's "stand your ground" defense may have some chinks in its armor after all. A lot will come down to the details. I.e., on the sidewalk? Next to it? If so, which side? Etc.

Of course the whole thing could have been avoided had the defendant simply showed the judgment not to carry around a loaded gun stalking an innocent child through a neighborhood he had legitimate business in.



That law as written has holes, not chinks. One can easily think of several scenarios in which it sucks horrible. It's hard to believe that one made it out of committee as is. Didn't the guy who sponsored it actually come out and say it needs to be seriously reviewed?

Anyway, I agree. I applaud the neighborhood watch. It's often a great tool. And me and my neighbors look out for each other all the time. And to be a pretty liberal guy (actual peace corps in africa and a liberal arts degree) I have grown to see the other side in the gun debates. I think people should be able to own guns - says it right there in the constitution. But from a common sense standpoint it's pretty idiotic to confront strangers in public spaces while you are packing - the very fact you have a gun is likely going to escalate the confrontation immediately because they are freaked out you are packing. Recipe for disaster. Note: disregard last two sentences for people who are on their own property with said stranger - then you can do what you want. But short of a guy walking out of your neighbors house with a load of shiat you know ain't his, go sit in your car and wait for the cops.
2012-04-11 07:03:28 PM
1 votes:

vegasj: oh jesus...

9beers: Oh yeah, this press conference has gone to full religious revival mode now.

Religious and full of shiat.

Have they addressed all the black on white violent crimes yet? I'm waiting.


It's sad and kinda cute that you fringer bigots have each other's back when you're so clearly on the wrong side of history. Maybe you can give 9beers a reacharound while you watch Aryan-themed porn and deride racial injustice.
2012-04-11 06:56:24 PM
1 votes:

JohnBigBootay: bugontherug: Hard call. I know I'm responsible for mowing the area between the sidewalk and the street in front of my yard. I'm pretty sure it's considered part of the property. Maybe it's an easement, I dunno. It might be an easement limited to particular purposes that don't include following around children innocent of any wrongdoing.

In seattle I am responsible for 'maintaining' the sidewalk and parking strip in front of my house. But I'm not allowed to dig it up or substantially alter it. I can plant a tree in the parking strip, but the city can remove it if they want. And if there's a plumbing leak below grade in that area I am not allowed to dig it up and fix it myself. In short, it's my responsibility but their property.


I guess the point is that the defendant's "stand your ground" defense may have some chinks in its armor after all. A lot will come down to the details. I.e., on the sidewalk? Next to it? If so, which side? Etc.

Of course the whole thing could have been avoided had the defendant simply showed the judgment not to carry around a loaded gun stalking an innocent child through a neighborhood he had legitimate business in.
2012-04-11 06:51:59 PM
1 votes:
vegasj:

You know, it's entirely possible you didn't get your job because they didn't like your rather entitled attitude.

Or the other person was better in one area than you, or brought something to the table that you didn't.

Or, hell, if it was a law enforcement position, they may have needed more people of a certain ethnicity for ease of undercover operations (that is, purely practical reasons)

Regardless, why did your mind immediately jump to 'DAMN MINORITY MUST HAVE GOTTEN THE JOB UNFAIRLY FROM ME'?
2012-04-11 06:44:24 PM
1 votes:

Aloy: Watching the press conference now, and it's farking crap. She couldn't stuff anymore meaningless buzzwords in there if she used Santorum lube.\

She might as well have just said "We're caving to the angry black people and charging him."

Also, I particularly love how the family will continue to protest until he is convicted. Yes, they totally just want justice, not bloodshed if they don't get their way.


Bro, totally. The fact that these people are still angry that their son was shot and killed over some candy is totally sign that this is just a black conspiracy. You know how "those people" are, just wanting a handout.

/Farkin hell, how to you manage to remember to breath when you're that stupid?
2012-04-11 06:43:53 PM
1 votes:
Unless there is more evidence than what has leaked I can't see how a jury is going to get past reasonable doubt. I am putting this here so I can point to it later when the "all charges dropped" or "not guilty riots" submission gets green lit.

Anyone here who believes "stand your ground" is in play here doesn't understand that legislation. It doesn't apply to someone who can't flee in the first place at the time they're using deadly force. I am curious to see why they believe they can get this conviction. What did they discover that the PD didn't think existed for months?

If Zimmerman were in almost any other state such as Ohio without SYG and if the events went down as described (on his back, attacked from behind, unable to flee and in fear of "great bodily harm" or death the use of deadly force laws in most states would deem that justified...). Ohio requires you to flee or prove you couldn't.
2012-04-11 06:40:42 PM
1 votes:

ChuDogg: Oh great..... Sharpton coming on already? lol


I think he sucks as the host of a television program while serving an important role getting justice when it is clearly needed. The cops can be your friends or your worst enemy depending on random circumstances that often make no sense to the average person. There needs to be some kind of predictability of expectation in how our judicial system operates and, like it or not, when the public does or is likely to be outraged when a young life is taken authorities will be affected.

Zimmerman is charged and in custody. Who can doubt he will now get the best legal defense available, and for free, the same way another despised Floridian (Casey Anthony) did?

I'm just as willing to accept the outcome of this as I was with Anthony.
2012-04-11 06:37:18 PM
1 votes:

TravisBickle62: You said that Zimmerman molested Trayvon ... given that it's two guys, molesting means either a finger in the ass or a dick in he mouth ... make up your farking mind


One of the old meanings of molest is harass. Doesn't necessarily mean physical molestation, although that is by far the most common usage in this millenium.
2012-04-11 06:33:35 PM
1 votes:

Deucednuisance: s2s2s2: You mean up until the point he wasn't? He had already turned once, toward George, pretending to have a weapon in his waistband.
Oh, c'mon.
He could have been scratching his balls for all we know.
"Pretending to have a weapon", where do you come up with this stuff?


The same place Z came up with it when he was talking to the dispatcher. He was implying that the kid had a weapon--"he's got something in his hands" "his hand is in his waistband" "he's messed up or something."

I"m not gonna go back and listen to it again, but one day I transcribed it all on here. He was pretty clearly trying to hint that the scary black kid was coming right for him! And that was before Trayvon had even noticed him.

shiat, even if you just listen to the 911 call from Zimmerman, he sounds like a paranoid fark.
2012-04-11 06:33:16 PM
1 votes:

cretinbob: because he got out of his car.


Which is not stalking.
herp.
2012-04-11 06:30:06 PM
1 votes:
Good stuff. now the actual evidence can be introduced. I want to hear the ballistics and forensic evidence, personally - angle of the shot, where the bullet ended up, and so forth. That will be really telling as to where the weapon was when it was fired.

Speculation can stop now. Actual analysis of the evidence that could not be released prior to an actual trial can begin.
2012-04-11 06:26:39 PM
1 votes:

s2s2s2: You mean other than the first one, where the police wanted it to go to the prosecutor, so that George could be charged?


No, the first one, where they failed to do a drug/alcohol test on George Zimmerman, even though it's apparently SOP in any homicide. Or how they failed to identify the body until more than 24 hours later, even though the kid was shot in his own damned neighborhood. Or how the cops failed to look at Trayvon's call history on his cell phone--it was his father that discovered Trayvon was talking to his girlfriend at the time of the confrontation.
2012-04-11 06:24:33 PM
1 votes:

vegasj: [s17.postimage.org image 480x480]


Yep, the Stormfronters have found their 'Free Mumia'.
2012-04-11 06:20:37 PM
1 votes:

9beers: ShawnDoc: He's also white knighting Charlie Manson in that thread.

Yes, asking a question is white knighting. Go away troll.



www.mediaite.com

"Martin was a violent thug and Zimmerman deserved an award for killing him. I'm just asking questions."
2012-04-11 06:20:26 PM
1 votes:

LordJiro: He has a bump on his head in the video. If he'd had his head repeatedly bashed into the sidewalk, it would be reasonable to assume that he'd be sent to a hospital in case of, y'know, brain damage.


He's got a Y shaped wound.
xaotikdesigns.com

If you shoot at someone with a gun, and miss, it's still attempted murder. If you pound someone's head into the pavement, but do so inexpertly such that paramedics determine there's no need for hospitalization, it's still pounding their head into pavement.

Obviously SOMETHING happened. But I reject your naive notion that in the middle of the night while being assaulted by a stranger that there are degrees of having your head hit onto the sidewalk. If it was you having your head hit, would you notice how hard?
2012-04-11 06:16:27 PM
1 votes:

HighlanderRPI: Please pray for the prosecutors! I can't believe they said that live.


img1.fark.net

/remember the Casey Anthony trial?
2012-04-11 06:13:00 PM
1 votes:
nope. they derped it. should be a pretty straightforward manslaughter charge.
2012-04-11 06:05:04 PM
1 votes:

SharkTrager: ivan: But here is what's wrong: to vilify Martin in order to make Zimmerman look more innocent is deeply, disgustingly vile

Agreed.

At the same time, to portray Martin as a young child who was much smaller than Zimmerman to make Zimmerman's offense seem more heinous is also wrong.


What's heinous is a self-appointed, armed, overgrown hall monitor getting his ass kicked by a beanpole...allegedly. Zimmerman should have shot himself for being worthless and pathetic
2012-04-11 06:05:03 PM
1 votes:

s2s2s2:
How bad the injuries were is actually irrelevant, though. If Martin was going for the head smash, he earned George superior SYG rights.


They're actually very relevant. Zimmerman is claiming he felt his life was in danger because he was getting his head bounced off the sidewalk, so the actual fact of whether he was getting his head bounced off the sidewalk or not is quite pertinent.

So lets examine wounds consistent with someone getting their head bounced off the sidewalk and compare it to those sustained by Zimmerman.

Then the jury can make a judgment on which story is reasonable or not.
2012-04-11 06:01:32 PM
1 votes:

ivan: Mike Chewbacca: ivan: Mike Chewbacca: If anything, these threads are good for adding to my troll ignore list.

Also, for highlighting some more good guys in green3.

Of course, if I'm one of the trolls, you won't see my compliment.

Nah, I only ignore the obvious and obnoxious trolls. I've even left skinnyhead off there because I think he's funny and most likely a satirist. But 9beers and the other guys I mentioned in this thread are obnoxious and provocative, and not in a good way.

So basically, any funny people I don't block, because I find them funny, even if they are trolling. I didn't see you trolling so much as being super sarcastic.

It's not possible to be serious in a troll-infested thread like this without getting stomped on. I'd rather be stomped on for a bad joke than for a sincere appeal to reason and humanity.

But, for the record, and in answer to all the Zimmerman apologists: the point here is not that Zimmerman is a racist -- I don't think he is -- or that he crossed some line -- I think he did -- but that police took his word for what transpired and released him without an investigation. It may have been by the book, in which case the book needs to have the book thrown at it.

This is a tragedy. Zimmerman's life is pretty much destroyed either way. A young man is dead, and is family's hearts are forever broken. "Race relations" (I hate that term) have been dealt a blow. Farker has turned against Farker (well, ok, that's a pre-existing condition).

It was right to call for an investigation. It was right to bring charges. It's right, if naive, to expect that justice will be done.

But here is what's wrong: to vilify Martin in order to make Zimmerman look more innocent is deeply, disgustingly vile. .

Don't worry, guys -- your precious guns won't be outlawed over this. You can relax.


Well, to be fair, they do this to victims of rape, too.
2012-04-11 05:59:50 PM
1 votes:

king_nacho: Interrogated and detained? Zimmerman certainly had the right to ask Martin to stop and say who he was. He certainly didn't have the right to detain him, but again, no evidence that we've been shown suggests Zimmerman forcibly detained anybody prior to him pulling the gun. Are you telling me you don't have the right to ask some random kid walking down your sidewalk who they are?


Sure you do, and they have the right, and I would hope the balls, to tell you to fark off and keep walking.
2012-04-11 05:58:12 PM
1 votes:

ivan: But here is what's wrong: to vilify Martin in order to make Zimmerman look more innocent is deeply, disgustingly vile


Agreed.

At the same time, to portray Martin as a young child who was much smaller than Zimmerman to make Zimmerman's offense seem more heinous is also wrong.
2012-04-11 05:54:35 PM
1 votes:

s2s2s2: Hobodeluxe: and strange man with a gun trying to detain you is just cause for Trayvon to stand his ground and justifies his use of force.

And using deadly force opened him up to the same statute.

So who wins?

Hobodeluxe: Seeing as Trayvon was trying to avoid the confrontation

You mean up until the point he wasn't? He had already turned once, toward George, pretending to have a weapon in his waistband.

Hobodeluxe: The whole "I was going back to the truck and Martin attacked me but instead decided to find, and execute that f*cker" is not proven.

See how right you are!?


wow you're really twisting it and embellishing it aren't you?
first off he didn't turn and start approaching him. from where George was parked trayvon was walking in his direction from the entrance to the neighborhood. as far as "reaching into his waistband" he might have been dialing his phone. or grabbing more skittles from his pocket in the hoodie. look at the transcript of the 911 call. Zimmerman had already tried and convicted him. "He's up to something" He's on drugs or something" "he's checking me out" "He's walking towards me" and then all of a sudden his voice changes from being a little "concerned" to "he's running" "these assholes always get away" now what do you thing caused Zimmerman to change his tone from concern to aggressive and what caused trayvon to run? Did Zimmerman brandish his weapon at that point? He got out of the truck and pursued.
2012-04-11 05:52:32 PM
1 votes:

Mike Chewbacca: SharkTrager: Except her testimony will be easy to shred by a decent attorney.

Not true. What she heard is just as admissible as what any other witness heard.


I didn't say it wan't admissible, I said it would be easy to shred.

She is not going to be able to recall it accurately and they will contend she is not reliable due to stress and her relationship with Martin. A competent cross examination will likely negate her testimony, and possibly even help the defense as she has said at times Trayvon confronted Zimmerman about following him, which makes him appear the aggressor.
2012-04-11 05:46:22 PM
1 votes:

king_nacho: Zimmerman's intent was most likely to confront the individual, determine who he was, and get him to wait for the cops


And WTF right did Zimmerman have to do any of those 3 things? Since when does walking down a street in the neighborhood you live in subject you to be stooped, interrogated and detained by a self-appointed neighborhood watchman?
2012-04-11 05:40:28 PM
1 votes:

9beers: Rent Party: By impeding Martin, Zimmerman forcibly confined him.

LOL what? Martin was never stopped from continuing on his way. He chose to remain in the area and initiate a confrontation with another person. He was less than 200 feet from home when he attacked Zimmerman and has a clear path he could have taken to avoid the conflict had he chose to.


That's correct. 200 feet from home, where he was headed anyway with his skittles and iced tea. I'll bet he was gonna have some thug phone sex with his ho when he got there. But what on Earth could have possibly prevented him from getting there? It's as if some crazy, violently predisposed failed cop wannabe with a gun stopped him or something!

You don't suppose a guy like that was following Martin, do you? Man, that would be extra suspicious...
2012-04-11 05:40:00 PM
1 votes:

s2s2s2: Hobodeluxe: actually the statute says if you fear for your life you can use it.

And George apparently had reason to fear for his.
Bashing head into ground > Following.


and strange man with a gun trying to detain you is just cause for Trayvon to stand his ground and justifies his use of force. Seeing as Trayvon was trying to avoid the confrontation and Zimmerman was seeking it then Trayvon is the victim here. The whole "I was going back to the truck and Martin attacked me" is not proven. Trayvon running and Zimmerman pursuing has been proven
2012-04-11 05:36:19 PM
1 votes:

cig-mkr: indylaw: cig-mkr: If Zimmerman turns himself in, where would he get a fair trial anywhere in the U.S. ?

You'd be surprised by how many people simply don't follow the news. They could probably try this in another Florida County in the panhandle and they'd find 12 jurors who have never heard of this case.

That's just what I would want, 12 jurors who don't listen to, watch, or read the news.
Come to think of it, I damn sure wouldn't want to be on that jury.


If I were Zimmerman, I'm not sure I'd want a jury at all. This is going to turn on some technical points of self-defense law, and if Zimmerman is to escape liability he needs a judge, who is theoretically more likely to apply the law and not rely on the hard facts of this case (dead black kid, nutjob with a history of violent crime, etc.)
2012-04-11 05:33:20 PM
1 votes:

themeaningoflifeisnot: Rent Party: "Confronting" isn't illegal, and it is not starting a fight.


Certainly it is. If he in any way attempted to impede Martin's progress, it's not confronting, it's *kidnapping.*

That's pure comedy gold right there.


(1)(a)The term "kidnapping" means forcibly, secretly, or by threat confining, abducting, or imprisoning another person against her or his will and without lawful authority, with intent to:
1.Hold for ransom or reward or as a shield or hostage.
2.Commit or facilitate commission of any felony.
3.Inflict bodily harm upon or to terrorize the victim or another person.
4.Interfere with the performance of any governmental or political function.

By impeding Martin, Zimmerman forcibly confined him. He did so with the intent to terrorize or inflict bodily harm on him. We know this because Martin is dead. We may also argue that by playing cop, he interfered with the performance of a government function; that being the cops.
2012-04-11 05:32:29 PM
1 votes:
These threads are great for my favorites list.
2012-04-11 05:24:41 PM
1 votes:
funny how even conservatives were on Trayvon's side until Rush, Hannity, and the Fox News derp machine told yall how to think. Pathetic.

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2012-04-11 05:24:18 PM
1 votes:

king_nacho: you don't know who confronted who, nobody but Zimmerman knows the truth.


If Zimmerman wasn't following Trayvon, looking for him, they never would have met. Therefore, their meeting (and the confrontation that resulted) was a direct result of Zimmerman's following Trayvon.

It's a "Stand Your Ground" law, not a "Chase Someone Down" law.
2012-04-11 05:14:28 PM
1 votes:

Mrtraveler01: UCFRoadWarrior: White Guilt

Does anyone else think this term is farking stupid and just proves that the people who use the term are the REAL racists?


No. Well, yeah, other people will, but I'm not one of them. It has its valid uses.

White guilt is real, and insulting when one comes up against it (though there are folks who love to cultivate it, because if you can't get rid of your anger one way, you can do it in another and 'guilt' means that the other person is worthy of contempt). HOWEVER, UCFRoadWarrior's usage is the same as 9beers and thunderpipes and SouthernManDunWrong's usage of it (I don't even know if the last even posts in this thread, but his handle is for illustrative purposes). UCFRoadWarrior usage is not to say 'fight back against inappropriate guilt trips for racial sins done by your father and mother'............. his is to say, 'there was never anything to be guilty for and non-whites just make crap up out of thin air.'

He's the sort of person who would argue passionately that slavery was a good thing because why would anyone want to live in Africa when they could live in America. That's his mindset when he drops it. Non-whites should be on their knees, basically, and even so-called white sins are actually to non-whites' benefit.

But he doesn't argue it from the other point (that other point being more valid, I think, though it's still a fked up ground to try to walk over).
2012-04-11 05:08:50 PM
1 votes:

Mrtraveler01: I dunno, the internet can be a depressing place sometimes.


Don't let it get you down. Also, never forget that Fark is mostly for retards, trolls and retarded trolls.
2012-04-11 05:07:17 PM
1 votes:

OnlyM3: Z simply wiped some dog--it off the bottom of humanities shoes.


He couldn't have, you're still here.
2012-04-11 05:07:00 PM
1 votes:
Thank goodness he will be charged with something. Then the evidence can be weighed in court and will be made public. No more speculating.

I think they pretty much had to go this route, even if (and I'm not saying there isn't!!!) if there isn't enough evidence to convict. Because a trial provides a public forum to present all the evidence to the world.

If they simply don't prosecute any charge, then there is no standard public forum to present the evidence, lack thereof, and the reasons why the decision was made.

It will be nice to have this behind us. Though the nutjobs will simply find another issue to nutjob about soon enough.
2012-04-11 05:04:12 PM
1 votes:

9beers: Hypothetical Imperative: I swear I only come into these threads to watch people throw stuff at 9beers and Thunderpipes.

I bet you also enjoy going to the zoo to watch monkey fling poop. That's pretty much the impression I get from the angry mob.


Please do not give yourself airs by assuming that people are angry with you. Perhaps frustrated. Honestly, you comments and positions are such a train wreck that most people read your comments out of a sense of morbid curiosity. I, personally, could be no more angry at you than I could be at a small child who knocked over a lamp just because they were clumsy and didn't know better.
2012-04-11 05:02:28 PM
1 votes:
I find it hilarious that the angry mob accuse me of not stating facts when they continue repeating talking points that were proven to be bullshiat two weeks ago and others that were never anything but speculation.

Keep herping that derp, mob.
2012-04-11 05:00:27 PM
1 votes:
The "He's coming right for us" defense.
www.kenny.de

Hell, it is Florida. They have concealed carry. I could walk down the street shooting people and claim I was protecting myself because I felt threatened.
2012-04-11 04:58:47 PM
1 votes:
Good. keep this going. it makes the black people around here forget to direct their outrage toward gay marriage and therefore forget to sign the referendum petitions.

keep it flowing till the deadline passes. then watch the churches go "Awww sheeeeeet, we f'd up and gays are gettin' married."
2012-04-11 04:57:57 PM
1 votes:

Geotpf: Rent Party: redmid17: Geotpf: Ok, ignore the "chase after". There still has to be a reasonable belief that Trayvon was about to blah blah blah. In your instances, the attacked person committed at least some sort of crime before the attack. Trayvon did nothing but walk.

If that's not the case, then legally anybody can pick a fight with anybody for any reason whatsoever and then legally shoot them after it got more violent, which means that outright murder is legal in the state of Florida.

Zimmerman said that he was basically sucker punched by Martin and Martin was slamming his head on the sidewalk. He had some wounds treated at the scene. It's on the prosecutor to prove that his testimony isn't true. That is going to be extremely difficult.

Does head trauma usually result if someone has their head slammed on the sidewalk? What does that look like? Do such wounds usually require hospitalization? Were McFatty's wounds consistent with someone that had just had their head slammed on the sidewalk? No? Was he hospitalized? Can we call expert witnesses to validate that, and then call the paramedics that treated and then released McFattly? We can?

That's going to be pretty easy to prove.

No, that's not right. The prosecution pretty much has to prove that the first aggressive action was caused by Zimmerman and not Trayvon. If Trayvon actually started the fight, then Zimmerman has a self defense defense, and the prosecution has to prove that Trayvon started the fight. Now, "starting the fight" is different somewhat from "throwing the first punch"; as I said before, charging him in an agressive manner would qualify.


No they don't. Zimmerman has to prove that he qualifies for "stand your ground" protection. He is doing that now by claiming Martin was whipping his ass so bad he had no choice other than to shoot him.

The prosecution can examine that defense closely by simply asking the medical people that treated him "Have you ever seen someone dead from beating or other traumatic head wounds? Were Zimmerman's wounds consistent, or closely related to those wounds? Have you ever seen someone punched in the nose who fell down? Were his wounds consistent with that?"

McFatty's only out is the exception for the initial instigator, because it is absolutely undeniable that he instigated it. "Why did you leave the safety of your vehicle?" "Why did you not meet the police at the mail boxes like you said you were?" "Why did you ask dispatch to have the police call you when they got there? Where were you going?"

The only reason Zimmerman isn't already in the poke is due to good old fashioned Florida incompetence.
2012-04-11 04:51:22 PM
1 votes:

Mrtraveler01: Muta: lucksi: Aaaaand why can't he be charged with first degree murder?

Second degree seems closer to what transpired. I don't see any evidence that Zimmerman went on the neighborhood watch planning to kill someone. There was no pre-meditation.

Exactly, that's why I'd be satisfied with even involuntary manslaughter.


Yep. Anything that would make him lose the right to walk around with a gun. Because clearly he's not responsible enough to do that.
2012-04-11 04:50:33 PM
1 votes:
We're all going to look pretty silly once Skittles reveals that this whole thing was just a big crazy viral marketing campaign.
2012-04-11 04:47:13 PM
1 votes:

lucksi: Aaaaand why can't he be charged with first degree murder?


Second degree seems closer to what transpired. I don't see any evidence that Zimmerman went on the neighborhood watch planning to kill someone. There was no pre-meditation.
2012-04-11 04:43:31 PM
1 votes:
Listen you assclowns.....i'm taking the kid to Disneyworld in October.....hold off your race riots till after we leave


kthxbai
2012-04-11 04:42:57 PM
1 votes:

NightOwl2255: 9beers: No, he deserved to get shot for violently assaulting somebody.

And of course you were there so you know for a fact, beyond all doubt, that Martin violently attacked Zimmerman. Or did a witness see Martin attack Zimmerman? Or was there video of Martin attacking Zimmerman. Since you claim that Martin deserved to die, not that if he did attack Zimmerman he deserved to die, but just flat out deserved to die you must know it for a fact. Right?


Hes so sure, that he thinks he deserves an award.

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2012-04-11 04:41:15 PM
1 votes:

mojuba: Dude if you are intimidated by him, I feel sad for you, even with his grills he looks like a kid trying to be hard, but still looks like a kid


Its all a matter of perspective.

dl.dropbox.com
2012-04-11 04:39:34 PM
1 votes:

Guairdean: jfivealive: Guairdean: jfivealive: Him starting the fight is subjective, we don't know how started the fight. The stand your ground defense is applicable still.

No, he left the safety of his SUV and approached Trayvon. He placed himself in danger. Had Trayvon approached the SUV, then Zimmerman's actions would have been justified. Zimmerman became the aggressor when he approached Trayvon. At that point, Trayvon would have been justified in killing Zimmerman.

Approaching someone is not illegal

Approaching someone in a menacing manner is.


Oh for chrissakes....
2012-04-11 04:33:51 PM
1 votes:

david_gaithersburg: You should check out many of the above posts.


First, I have.

Second, you should answer the question.
2012-04-11 04:32:14 PM
1 votes:

9beers: Mrtraveler01: Well judging from that pic, now i believe Trayvon deserved to get shot.

No, he deserved to get shot for violently assaulting somebody. The recent pictures show that he wasn't a little kid, incapable of overpowering an adult, like so many of the mob (including you) has claimed.


Dude if you are intimidated by him, I feel sad for you, even with his grills he looks like a kid trying to be hard, but still looks like a kid. I don't think he could intimidate my Grandmother. Then again, she's not a racist hater and isn't afraid of Blacks, Latinos or Arabs because they have a darker shade then her.
2012-04-11 04:31:07 PM
1 votes:
Zimmerman's shirt wasn't covered in blood after shooting Martin. That's important evidence according to the mob. They know because they've seen a lot of action movies.
2012-04-11 04:30:05 PM
1 votes:

david_gaithersburg: I'm so glad my family tree isn't full of evil slave owners or else I would have to suffer under the same white guilt as the rest of you.


It's white guilt to think that someone who killed an unarmed teenager should be thoroughly investigated and -- if probable cause exists to think he committed a crime -- be tried by an impartial jury?
2012-04-11 04:29:27 PM
1 votes:

Geotpf: Ok, ignore the "chase after". There still has to be a reasonable belief that Trayvon was about to blah blah blah. In your instances, the attacked person committed at least some sort of crime before the attack. Trayvon did nothing but walk.

If that's not the case, then legally anybody can pick a fight with anybody for any reason whatsoever and then legally shoot them after it got more violent, which means that outright murder is legal in the state of Florida.


Zimmerman said that he was basically sucker punched by Martin and Martin was slamming his head on the sidewalk. He had some wounds treated at the scene. It's on the prosecutor to prove that his testimony isn't true. That is going to be extremely difficult.
2012-04-11 04:27:52 PM
1 votes:

9beers: Mrtraveler01: Something based on heresay and speculation.

Just like our side of the story. Don't act like your side is any more true.


I have an eyewitness.

You have Al Sharpton.


The one who didn't witness the fight STARTING?
2012-04-11 04:26:05 PM
1 votes:
I hope the blacks riot. Whites are forgetting about who they are dealing with and need to be reminded.
2012-04-11 04:25:26 PM
1 votes:

9beers: No, he deserved to get shot for violently assaulting somebody.


Something based on heresay and speculation.

Just like our side of the story. Don't act like your side is any more true.
2012-04-11 04:22:25 PM
1 votes:

symtronic: Mrtraveler01: symtronic: vegasj: mjohnson71: Fox News' current graphic:
[a57.foxnews.com image 640x242]

The original of Trayvon Martin:
[blog.chron.com image 600x375]

uhm, actually, your original is a shop of Fox's photo. It was lightened and highlighted by CNN or NBC

Thats great! Its still not a recent photo of the boy.... this is though:

[louisjmarinelli.com image 500x375]

Well judging from that pic, now i believe Trayvon deserved to get shot.

/Is this how the Zimmerman apologists really think?

hey... you want to act like a thug, die like one


THIS IS WHAT ZIMMERMAN APOLOGISTS REALLY THINK!!!
2012-04-11 04:20:58 PM
1 votes:

Mrtraveler01: symtronic: vegasj: mjohnson71: Fox News' current graphic:
[a57.foxnews.com image 640x242]

The original of Trayvon Martin:
[blog.chron.com image 600x375]

uhm, actually, your original is a shop of Fox's photo. It was lightened and highlighted by CNN or NBC

Thats great! Its still not a recent photo of the boy.... this is though:

[louisjmarinelli.com image 500x375]

Well judging from that pic, now i believe Trayvon deserved to get shot.

/Is this how the Zimmerman apologists really think?


hey... you want to act like a thug, die like one
2012-04-11 04:19:34 PM
1 votes:

symtronic: Thats great! Its still not a recent photo of the boy.... this is though:


How dare that uppity negro try to imitate Johnny Cash!
2012-04-11 04:18:44 PM
1 votes:

symtronic: mjohnson71: Fox News' current graphic:
[a57.foxnews.com image 640x242]

The original of Trayvon Martin:
[blog.chron.com image 600x375]

Its sad that everyone keeps using that picture.... its old.

Here is one thats more current.

[www.wagist.com image 600x450]


And here's an even more recent one:

i276.photobucket.com
2012-04-11 04:17:32 PM
1 votes:
This will not end well for anybody. Zimmerman will probabley eventually end up dead either by thug mob, individual, or a prisoner.
(hope this does not happen).
Yet that wont be enough to shut us up.

.
2012-04-11 04:17:22 PM
1 votes:

cretinbob: Thunderpipes: I assume people will remember this when a black guy does something wrong and some white guys want his head?

Justice system has just been dismantled, nobody wins here. Courts are now run by the mob, and the personal feelings of the President. Blah. Guilty or innocent, we all lose today.

If there's no arrest or investigation, yes.
That's the issue, a killing without an investigation.
Go jerk off somewhere else


There was, and there was.

It would be pretty tough to say Zimmerman was not arrested. Brought to the station in cuffs and questioned for hours..... Only if Zimmerman fully thought he was free to leave at any time would that not be an arrest. It is possible, but I doubt it.

No investigation? Have you read any news?
2012-04-11 04:17:12 PM
1 votes:

Bacontastesgood: Mrtraveler01: Black man kills white Hispanic in gated community. Would you believe the black man would've stand-his-ground if you just heard those parts of the story?

More importantly, is there any question that the cops would have (1) not given Trayvon a drug or alcohol test and (2) let him go after some brief questioning? Dude would have gotten swarmed and taken to a cell and the bail would be enormous. This wouldn't even be a story, it would be yet another "troubled black youth shoots innocent man" thing that disappears after one night on the news, 25 years later middle-aged Mr. Martin would be paroled and wonder what to do with the rest of his life.


Well to be fair, Trayvon also didn't have the advantage of having a dad serve as a judge to help pull some strings for him.
2012-04-11 04:16:11 PM
1 votes:
I'm betting that if there are charges (and TFA doesn't say it's confirmed, it's "according to a source close to" the prosecutor), they are at worst manslaughter, and more likely something like "unauthorized discharge of a weapon in a residential area" or something like that.

Then, *IF* they manage to get to trial, it'll be pretty much an open-and-shut self-defense case. All Zimmerman's attorney has to do is point to Florida law, for the most part.

This assumes, of course, that the prosecutor doesn't have some great amount of evidence not yet leaked, that completely changes things, which is always a possibility.
2012-04-11 04:15:53 PM
1 votes:

Thunderpipes: This is how it works. Nice to know that if you are not white, you can run around beating the crap out of people and it is perfectly okay


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Yeah, it is nice to know.
2012-04-11 04:15:13 PM
1 votes:

Jake Havechek: Thunderpipes: Mrtraveler01: Thunderpipes: Traypack attacked a guy, got killed for it.

Yet you have no proof that Trayvon was the first aggressor.

A lot more than you do against Zimmerman, and that is good enough for you. At least there is evidence to support Zimmerman's story, not just made up what ifs by a bunch of white/latino guilt liberals.

Evidence?

You mean hearsay?


Ya, eye witnesses, physical injuries, police reports, police phone call, all hearsay.....
2012-04-11 04:14:40 PM
1 votes:

Mrtraveler01: Black man kills white Hispanic in gated community. Would you believe the black man would've stand-his-ground if you just heard those parts of the story?


More importantly, is there any question that the cops would have (1) not given Trayvon a drug or alcohol test and (2) let him go after some brief questioning? Dude would have gotten swarmed and taken to a cell and the bail would be enormous. This wouldn't even be a story, it would be yet another "troubled black youth shoots innocent man" thing that disappears after one night on the news, 25 years later middle-aged Mr. Martin would be paroled and wonder what to do with the rest of his life.
2012-04-11 04:14:24 PM
1 votes:

mjohnson71: Fox News' current graphic:
[a57.foxnews.com image 640x242]

The original of Trayvon Martin:
[blog.chron.com image 600x375]


uhm, actually, your original is a shop of Fox's photo. It was lightened and highlighted by CNN or NBC

2012-04-11 04:14:18 PM
1 votes:

Thunderpipes: I assume people will remember this when a black guy does something wrong and some white guys want his head?

Justice system has just been dismantled, nobody wins here. Courts are now run by the mob, and the personal feelings of the President. Blah. Guilty or innocent, we all lose today.


If there's no arrest or investigation, yes.
That's the issue, a killing without an investigation.
Go jerk off somewhere else
2012-04-11 04:13:49 PM
1 votes:

mjohnson71: Fox News' current graphic:
[a57.foxnews.com image 640x242]

The original of Trayvon Martin:
[blog.chron.com image 600x375]


Its sad that everyone keeps using that picture.... its old.

Here is one thats more current.

www.wagist.com
2012-04-11 04:13:39 PM
1 votes:

jfivealive: Him starting the fight is subjective, we don't know how started the fight. The stand your ground defense is applicable still.


No, he left the safety of his SUV and approached Trayvon. He placed himself in danger. Had Trayvon approached the SUV, then Zimmerman's actions would have been justified. Zimmerman became the aggressor when he approached Trayvon. At that point, Trayvon would have been justified in killing Zimmerman.
2012-04-11 04:13:02 PM
1 votes:

mjohnson71: Fox News' current graphic:
[a57.foxnews.com image 640x242]

The original of Trayvon Martin:
[blog.chron.com image 600x375]


Why am I not surprised that Fox News is in the "Trayvon deserved to get shot" camp.

They always seem to use black people to scare their old white viewers (Black Panthers in Philly, etc.)
2012-04-11 04:12:48 PM
1 votes:

Thunderpipes: Mrtraveler01: Thunderpipes: Traypack attacked a guy, got killed for it.

Yet you have no proof that Trayvon was the first aggressor.

A lot more than you do against Zimmerman, and that is good enough for you. At least there is evidence to support Zimmerman's story, not just made up what ifs by a bunch of white/latino guilt liberals.


Evidence?

You mean hearsay?
2012-04-11 04:12:44 PM
1 votes:

Scerpes: 776.041Use of force by aggressor (new window).-The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who:

* * *

(2)Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless:
(a)Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant; or

* * *

So long as a first aggressor is in fear of great bodily injury and is unable to escape at the moment he pulls the trigger, he's still justified.


You're aware that there's more than one clause in there right, and that they both have to be satisfied, right (it's "and", not "or")? A person who could have escaped but chose not to has not "exhausted every reasonable means to escape".
2012-04-11 04:11:54 PM
1 votes:

Mrtraveler01: Thunderpipes: Traypack attacked a guy, got killed for it.

Yet you have no proof that Trayvon was the first aggressor.


A lot more than you do against Zimmerman, and that is good enough for you. At least there is evidence to support Zimmerman's story, not just made up what ifs by a bunch of white/latino guilt liberals.
2012-04-11 04:11:46 PM
1 votes:
Reading through the comments in this thread and several others, as well as reading many news stories, as recent as today, that still quote misinformation in this case as fact is really unsettling. Some people and news sources have begun to change and start stating the facts, buy most have not. It is becoming evident that it is not about ignorance, people actually want to believe the misinformation to satisfy their own preconceived notions about the case.
2012-04-11 04:11:37 PM
1 votes:

eraser8: symtronic: Making a donation to this guy now

Why?


Because I dont think he murdered the guy.

Citation (new window)
2012-04-11 04:09:43 PM
1 votes:

Thunderpipes: At least "Brown Shirts" is a pretty apt name for Obama's henchmen. Even his secret police are in on the race card thing.


Heh, you're a farking idiot.
2012-04-11 04:09:07 PM
1 votes:
... only to appease the cry babies and avoid riots and looting.

you can bet your ass.


Surely he'll plead not guilty & a jury will not convict him.
2012-04-11 04:08:23 PM
1 votes:

Thunderpipes: Traypack attacked a guy, got killed for it.


Yet you have no proof that Trayvon was the first aggressor.
2012-04-11 04:08:10 PM
1 votes:

Mike Chewbacca: jfivealive: Mike Chewbacca: JohnBigBootay: jfivealive: He was not told by law enforcement to back off. He was advised by a 911 operator to wait for the police. This is not enforceable and is not law.

Him starting the fight is subjective, we don't know how started the fight. The stand your ground defense is applicable still.


Why would the same law not apply to Trayvon?

Hmm, that's a very good question. Why does the guy with a gun who started the confrontation get to stand his ground but the kid without a gun who was doing nothing but walking home from the store have to flee?

Having a gun doesn't invalidate standing your ground. He used to the gun to stand his ground (his defense). If Trayvon had killed Zimmerman, and Trayvon was on trial, he could also use the same defense (all things equal of course)

You missed the point. Why does Zimmerman get to stand his ground against Trayvon, but Trayvon does not get to stand his ground against Zimmerman?


I don't think stand your ground means being on top of someone else.
2012-04-11 04:05:05 PM
1 votes:

jfivealive: Mike Chewbacca: JohnBigBootay: jfivealive: He was not told by law enforcement to back off. He was advised by a 911 operator to wait for the police. This is not enforceable and is not law.

Him starting the fight is subjective, we don't know how started the fight. The stand your ground defense is applicable still.


Why would the same law not apply to Trayvon?

Hmm, that's a very good question. Why does the guy with a gun who started the confrontation get to stand his ground but the kid without a gun who was doing nothing but walking home from the store have to flee?

Having a gun doesn't invalidate standing your ground. He used to the gun to stand his ground (his defense). If Trayvon had killed Zimmerman, and Trayvon was on trial, he could also use the same defense (all things equal of course)


You missed the point. Why does Zimmerman get to stand his ground against Trayvon, but Trayvon does not get to stand his ground against Zimmerman?
2012-04-11 04:04:45 PM
1 votes:

Scerpes: There's no duty to retreat in the Florida statute. That's the whole point of stand your ground. There is a provision which requires him to make every reasonable effort to escape if he is the first aggressor. If Martin was on top of him when he pulled the trigger, there's no way he had no reasonable means of escape.


The law itself doesn't say "There's no duty to retreat"; it simply states the circumstances under which a person will be exempt from a duty to retreat. The bolded part, though is what you aren't quite getting. What was happening "when he pulled the trigger" isn't the only thing that matters; what also matters is whether he ever had any chance to escape that he didn't avail himself of.
2012-04-11 04:04:33 PM
1 votes:

qorkfiend: Just pointing out that Zimmerman might have made this a federal crime by leaving Florida,


Leaving a state subsequent to committing a crime does not in any way retroactively make the underlying crime federal in nature. Crossing state lines to commit or while committing a crime is what can invoke federal jurisdiction. If I pass a bad check at the grocery store on my block and then take a vacation to Hawaii, I am not suddenly in violation of federal law.
2012-04-11 04:04:15 PM
1 votes:

jfivealive: JohnBigBootay: jfivealive: He was not told by law enforcement to back off. He was advised by a 911 operator to wait for the police. This is not enforceable and is not law.

Him starting the fight is subjective, we don't know how started the fight. The stand your ground defense is applicable still.


Why would the same law not apply to Trayvon?

It would, but Trayvon didn't kill Zimmerman...

Am I missing something? What are you trying to say?


I think he's trying to say that if the roles would reverse, Trayvon wouldn't have been able to use the stand-your-ground defense because no one would believe him because he's black.

And to be honest, I agree with him.

Black man kills white Hispanic in gated community. Would you believe the black man would've stand-his-ground if you just heard those parts of the story?

There is definitely a racial bias to this story, but there are a lot more complex factors to it. Mainly Florida's FUBAR laws.
2012-04-11 04:04:06 PM
1 votes:

king_nacho: Mike Chewbacca: LaughingRadish: Mike Chewbacca: Phinn: Mike Chewbacca: I'm pretty sure Zimmerman had "disarmed" Martin of the sidewalk weapon Martin was "carrying" when Zimmerman shot Martin.

Based on what evidence?

The lack of blood on Zimmerman.

Did you forget that he was cleaned up by paramedics before he went to the police station?

Why would paramedics wash his shirt and/or pants for him?

part of being in a gated community in Florida. Police and paramedics got there fairly quickly, so it wasn't like the guy was bleeding all over the place like a scene from an action movie.


So one of the perks of living in a gate community is that paramedics will wash your clothes for you? And by the way, a Farker a couple weeks ago stated that when he was in Iraq and shot people, they bled all over the farking place.
2012-04-11 04:00:53 PM
1 votes:

Thunderpipes: At least "Brown Shirts" is a pretty apt name for Obama's henchmen. Even his secret police are in on the race card thing.


3.bp.blogspot.com
2012-04-11 03:58:52 PM
1 votes:
I can't wait for the riots when he's found not guilty....

...reasonable doubt thing...
2012-04-11 03:56:13 PM
1 votes:

fracas: What's the least dignified way this could end? Because that's what I'm betting on.


His new lawyer is Gloria Allred.
2012-04-11 03:55:27 PM
1 votes:

fracas: What's the least dignified way this could end? Because that's what I'm betting on.


I was thinking this morning about how if he shot himself while in hiding that would be the worst thing possible. No one would have closure
2012-04-11 03:53:57 PM
1 votes:

SharkTrager: madgonad: "Fla. Stat. 776.013(3)A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony."

I underlined the key parts that eliminate the Stand Your Ground defense. He was told by law enforcement to back off. In addition, he started the fight. Just because he a pussy and can't handle a teenager that is far smaller than him doesn't mean he was in fear for his life.

More importantly, the law is extremely bad.

He wasn't told to back off by law enforcement. He was told by a dispatcher they didn't need him to follow the guy. Even if he did follow him, it was not "unlawful".

Secondly, you do not know who started the fight. Neither do I. Frankly, neither do any of the witnesses who have come forward so far.


you do not know who started the fight. Neither do I. Frankly, neither do any of the witnesses who have come forward so far

you do not know who started the fight. Neither do I. Frankly, neither do any of the witnesses who have come forward so far

you do not know who started the fight. Neither do I. Frankly, neither do any of the witnesses who have come forward so far
2012-04-11 03:53:16 PM
1 votes:

LaughingRadish: Mike Chewbacca: Phinn: Mike Chewbacca: I'm pretty sure Zimmerman had "disarmed" Martin of the sidewalk weapon Martin was "carrying" when Zimmerman shot Martin.

Based on what evidence?

The lack of blood on Zimmerman.

Did you forget that he was cleaned up by paramedics before he went to the police station?


Why would paramedics wash his shirt and/or pants for him?
2012-04-11 03:47:27 PM
1 votes:

madgonad: "Fla. Stat. 776.013(3)A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony."

I underlined the key parts that eliminate the Stand Your Ground defense. He was told by law enforcement to back off. In addition, he started the fight. Just because he a pussy and can't handle a teenager that is far smaller than him doesn't mean he was in fear for his life.

More importantly, the law is extremely bad.


He wasn't told to back off by law enforcement. He was told by a dispatcher they didn't need him to follow the guy. Even if he did follow him, it was not "unlawful".

Secondly, you do not know who started the fight. Neither do I. Frankly, neither do any of the witnesses who have come forward so far.
2012-04-11 03:45:01 PM
1 votes:
"Fla. Stat. 776.013(3)A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony."

I underlined the key parts that eliminate the Stand Your Ground defense. He was told by law enforcement to back off. In addition, he started the fight. Just because he a pussy and can't handle a teenager that is far smaller than him doesn't mean he was in fear for his life.

More importantly, the law is extremely bad.
2012-04-11 03:44:59 PM
1 votes:

PlatinumDragon: o if Zimmerman's act was "justified", why weren't Martin's possible actions equally justified?


I think you have nailed the pertinent part of a really stupidly written law.
2012-04-11 03:42:03 PM
1 votes:

Wendy's Chili: sign_of_Zeta: Wendy's Chili: Thunderpipes: Guilty or innocent, we all lose today

Why would we lose if a guilty man is being charged for his crime?


I think we all lose because no matter what this case has been so tainted by the media and public feelings this will never be a fair trial. I doubt he can have an untainted jury pool. No way.

If it weren't for media attention, there wouldn't be a trial at all. So I'll take what I can get.


I don't know, I see no way he gets a fair trial, the basis of our legal system. We know one life was unjustly lost due to this incident. I'd rather not have two end that way. Even if I think Zimmerman is guilty of something, he'll never receive a fair trial, and therefore I think he simply can't be tried for this. Though I know my view is not popular.
2012-04-11 03:41:45 PM
1 votes:
I hope he receives a fair trial and justice is served, one way or another.
2012-04-11 03:41:35 PM
1 votes:
If it was Tray von Martin he would already be in prison. It's the little things like spelling that Fark ya over.
2012-04-11 03:41:09 PM
1 votes:

sign_of_Zeta: Wendy's Chili: Thunderpipes: Guilty or innocent, we all lose today

Why would we lose if a guilty man is being charged for his crime?


I think we all lose because no matter what this case has been so tainted by the media and public feelings this will never be a fair trial. I doubt he can have an untainted jury pool. No way.


Come on, this is Florida we're talking about. There's no way they couldn't find 12 clueless idiots.
2012-04-11 03:41:06 PM
1 votes:

Thunderpipes: No, the process starts when the DA doesn't think there is a reason to press charges. It should have ended there.


Don't have a real grasp of the legal system there do ya skippy?

That's okay, we don't expect much from you.


Thunderpipes: Now we got Obama and the mob overriding this, you really think this is good precedent? "oh, well we think he should be thrown in jail and found guilty!". Oh, okay, DA overruled. Al, Jesse, Obama, liberal public, you guys now are the law.


Yes, because Grand Juries and special prosecutors were never used until Obama got elected.

It's ALL OBAMA'S FAULT!
2012-04-11 03:40:41 PM
1 votes:

apoptotic: Phinn: apoptotic: Wait, are you saying Martin got Zimmerman's gun and shot himself??

No, I'm saying Martin got a hold of Zimmerman's pistol, and was trying to take it when it went off.

I believe I read somewhere that the pistol did not cycle properly. It did not chamber the next round.

They do that when there's a hand on the slide.

You said Martin had another weapon - the gun. If Martin "had" it, ie was controlling it when it went off, then you're saying he shot himself. If he wasn't controlling it, then it isn't a weapon that Martin "had".


George Zimmerman never said Trayvon Martin had his hands on the gun, or that they fought over the gun. So Phinn is just pulling shiat out of his ass, as usual.
2012-04-11 03:40:08 PM
1 votes:

blackminded: Real quick though: Any Farkers want to make a recommendation on a Sig Sauer P229 chambered for .357SIG as a concealed carry weapon?

[img3.findthebest.com image 633x348]

/I'll check back later


Nice gun. Not a bad choice. But I have a recommendation - when wearing the gun, don't follow strangers around and accuse them of stuff unless you are positive they did something. Guns make people nervous and they could feel threatened and kick your ass leading you to shoot them and start a whole bunch of trouble.
2012-04-11 03:39:53 PM
1 votes:
2012-04-11 03:38:22 PM
1 votes:

EighthundredmillionthFarker: Where can I place a bet on the color of his hair / facial hair style?

I'm going with platinum blonde / black porn 'stache.


www.fromthebalcony.com
2012-04-11 03:38:05 PM
1 votes:
All this case has shown me is that:

1) People made their decisions on this case long ago, while we still don't have enough evidence to make a fair determination one way or the other.
2) The National Media is even more useless than I though they were and has done a terrible job.
3) You all would make terrible lawyers. (So would I but I know it.)
2012-04-11 03:37:53 PM
1 votes:

skullkrusher: ivan: skullkrusher: ivan: skullkrusher: RevBigfoot: So wait, does this mean the race war is on, or will it now be postponed?

Delayed on account of justice. Make up game scheduled when he is found innocent.

He has to be found before he can be found innocent.

I don't think the guy is on the lam.

Do you think his whereabouts are known?

Actually, I expect him to surrender. It's dangerous out there.

no but I'd be in hiding too, wouldn't you? If he doesn't surrender after the charges are filed, then he's on the lam :)


And if he's left the state, doesn't that mean Eric Holder and the DoJ can now claim jurisdiction?
2012-04-11 03:36:56 PM
1 votes:

Scerpes: Giltric: (2)Any person who willfully, maliciously, and repeatedly follows, harasses, or cyberstalks another person commits the offense of stalking, a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.

Stalking has to take place over a period of time maybe under special circumstances they can apply it to a 30 minute window......just curious...why did you leave out that part of the statute?


Just curious? You know exactly why he left it out.


According to Florida law, the period of time is not absolutely defined. But, we do know that the period of time can be "however short."

This is the same standard used in premeditation. The courts have interpreted this phrase so mean over the course of mere moments. Doesn't have to be 30 minutes. Or even 10.
2012-04-11 03:36:12 PM
1 votes:

Phinn: apoptotic: Wait, are you saying Martin got Zimmerman's gun and shot himself??

No, I'm saying Martin got a hold of Zimmerman's pistol, and was trying to take it when it went off.

I believe I read somewhere that the pistol did not cycle properly. It did not chamber the next round.

They do that when there's a hand on the slide.


You said Martin had another weapon - the gun. If Martin "had" it, ie was controlling it when it went off, then you're saying he shot himself. If he wasn't controlling it, then it isn't a weapon that Martin "had".
2012-04-11 03:35:31 PM
1 votes:

Okieboy: Justice - bending to the mob rule mentality to appease the masses, nice.


It's okay for people to call for a trial and that call be the reason for the trial.

It is unjust for someone to be convicted without the necessary evidence.

Not sure how you can confuse those two. . .
2012-04-11 03:35:08 PM
1 votes:

Egalitarian:
If Zimmerman had shot a white girl, wearing a hoodie, with the same juvie record as Martin, you better believe the cops would have investigated and charged him with something, and very few people would be defending Zimmerman.


What, you're saying a young white girl is incapable of slamming a big guy's head against the concrete and breaking his nose?

Sexist!
2012-04-11 03:31:42 PM
1 votes:

Typical Right Wing Doosh: I bet 9beers is hiding Zimmerman in his basement safe and sound.


Right behind the bags of Cheetos.

Methinks Mr. Zimmerman is going to eat a bullet instead of being arrested.
2012-04-11 03:30:58 PM
1 votes:

apoptotic: Wait, are you saying Martin got Zimmerman's gun and shot himself??


There are some people who really, really, really want to blame Martin for this.

They don't just want to wait until they get all the facts before they jump on the anti-Zimmerman bandwagon, they REALLY want to portray Martin as a "thug" and a criminal and someone who deserved to be killed.

I wonder why.

Hmmmmmmm.
2012-04-11 03:29:19 PM
1 votes:
img827.imageshack.us

All right now.. for all of you Boppers out there in the big city, for you street people with an ear for the action, Ive been asked to play a request for that cat out there who shot down Trayvon........here's Martha Reeves and the Vandellas... "Nowhere to Run"
2012-04-11 03:28:02 PM
1 votes:
Give me a friggen break all of you trying to say that he has run. He has had death threats made against him, people with large media followings calling for violence against him. He's not letting his location to be known to the public and those speaking for him say they don't know where he is and some of you have a problem with that? What exactly should someone that has been threatened do? You have no idea if the procecuters are in contact with him and if they are they would be idiots to disclose his location. Sorry Fark briade, but many of you are wrong on this one. I have no idea if the shooting was justified or not, although the latest evidence suggest it was justified. If he goes to trial or if charges aren't filed we will know then won't we? In the meantime, anyone claiming to know what really happened is just guessing.
2012-04-11 03:27:59 PM
1 votes:

s2s2s2: TravisBickle62: His dad is a big judge at he U.N., he is probably in Switzerland by now

I heard his dad was Bob Dylan.


kistenet.com

you mean uncle robert?
2012-04-11 03:24:08 PM
1 votes:
It look this long for Florida to realize that shooting your neighbor is a crime. Good Job Florida, but no cookie for you....
2012-04-11 03:24:05 PM
1 votes:

sforce: Scerpes: sforce: blackhalo: "Fla. Stat. 776.013(3)A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony."

So charge him with stalking too. Now he was engaged in unlawful activity.

Yeah...except that it doesn't fit the crime of stalking.

And. Sure it does:

(2)Any person who willfully, maliciously, and repeatedly follows, harasses, or cyberstalks another person commits the offense of stalking, a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.


Do you know what the word "repeatedly" means?
2012-04-11 03:23:50 PM
1 votes:

SharkTrager: GleeUnit: 9beers: Charged with involuntary manslaughter - Riots
Found innocent - Riots
Found guilty and sentenced to 5 years - Riots

The mob is getting that new flat screen TV one way or the other.

At the risk of breaking my own rule and feeding the troll, who the f*ck is this "mob" you're always referring to?

Those people.


You mean Blah people.
2012-04-11 03:21:48 PM
1 votes:

Thunderpipes: I assume people will remember this when a black guy does something wrong and some white guys want his head?


Yes, I will say "Those guys are idiots and an embarrassment to my race."
2012-04-11 03:20:49 PM
1 votes:

ShamWowofDamocles: The hell you will. He's got a two day head start on you, which is more than he needs. Zimmerman's got friends in every town and village from here to the Sudan, he speaks a dozen languages, knows every local custom, he'll blend in, disappear, you'll never see him again. With any luck, he's got the grail already.


Didn't he get lost in his own museum once?
2012-04-11 03:19:27 PM
1 votes:

mr lawson: Raharu: Most people understand this isn't about race.

Lol...WUT?

As a community activist and chief of staff for the New Black Panther Party, Michelle is used to addressing many issues. But when it comes to her passion in the Trayvon Martin case, she get especially upset and tearful.

Michelle said during the interview, "Let me tell you, the things that's about to happen, to these honkeys, these crackers, these pigs, these pink people, these ---- people. It has been long overdue. My prize right now this evening ... is gonna be the bounty, the arrest, dead or alive, for George Zimmerman. You feel me?"


You DO realize the New Black Panthers are a pretty tiny, insignificant hate group, right? The only reason anybody's even heard of them is because Fox got their panties in a wad over two black guys standing near a polling place and leaving when asked.
2012-04-11 03:18:30 PM
1 votes:
Making a donation to this guy now
2012-04-11 03:17:18 PM
1 votes:
Lawrence O'Donnell probably just came in his pants upon hearing this.

He's really been way over the top on this story, completely losing objectivity (as if he had any to begin with).

I'm sure his show will be entertaining tonight.
2012-04-11 03:17:15 PM
1 votes:

Contrabulous Flabtraption: Gee, when do the riots start after the mob doesn't get 1st degree murder charge with the death penalty?


That won't be a surprise. She can't charge 1st degree without going to the grand jury.
2012-04-11 03:15:13 PM
1 votes:

Taikoluigi: Does this mean we'll quit seeing this crap in the news now?

Or will it be another farking month or so?


Remember Terry Schiavo? The 2000 elections? Casey Anthony?

It happened in Florida. It will go on for months with frenzied 24/7 coverage.
2012-04-11 03:13:57 PM
1 votes:

9beers: Get ready for riots when involuntary manslaughter charges are announced.


Why? Are you and the rest of your mob gonna riot because you never wanted this to see the inside of a courtroom?
2012-04-11 03:13:51 PM
1 votes:

cookiefleck: Zimmerman charged....POST PONIES!


NO!!! For the love of God/Allah/Buddha/Whatever-the-heck-you-worship, don't give any-

Nevermind.
2012-04-11 03:13:28 PM
1 votes:
img820.imageshack.us
2012-04-11 03:12:52 PM
1 votes:

Thunderpipes: I assume people will remember this when a black guy does something wrong and some white guys want his head?

Justice system has just been dismantled, nobody wins here. Courts are now run by the mob, and the personal feelings of the President. Blah. Guilty or innocent, we all lose today.


Easy there champ, I know you're all bunched up due to centuries of white people being oppressed and subjugated, but calm down.
2012-04-11 03:12:16 PM
1 votes:
Just feel the need to post in this thread.
2012-04-11 03:12:02 PM
1 votes:

9beers: Get ready for riots when involuntary manslaughter charges are announced.


I'm pretty sure you're the only person hoping for that to happen.

Most people understand this isn't about race.

Sadly some people keep trying to make it a racial issue.
2012-04-11 03:12:01 PM
1 votes:

blackminded: Real quick though: Any Farkers want to make a recommendation on a Sig Sauer P229 chambered for .357SIG as a concealed carry weapon?

[img3.findthebest.com image 633x348]

/I'll check back later


Perfect thread to ask this question lol
2012-04-11 03:11:19 PM
1 votes:

DrBenway: ihatedumbpeople: Guess they caved to public pressure...wasn't this supposed to come in 72 hours?

WITHIN 72 hours, self-loathing one.


dude...no one says a decision will come within 72 hours and then decides less than a day later. (granted, the Fark NY Times article mentioning the 72 hour window 'was' from yesterday...)

still...NO WAY this guy gets a fair trial. There will be so much pressure on everyone from the top down to put this guy behind bars, even for a short time frame, just to appease the psychos following the case.
2012-04-11 03:11:18 PM
1 votes:
Zimmerman charged....POST PONIES!
2012-04-11 03:11:17 PM
1 votes:

qorkfiend: attention span of a retarded fruit fly: You mean that when you follow someone and shoot and kill them you CANT call self defense?

really?

Or at the very least, if you do, the validity of that claim should be adjudicated in the proper setting, i.e. a courtroom, and not after a 15-minute investigation in the dark and rain at 3AM by a police department known for its incompetence.


The initial investigation was carried out over a period of days, if not weeks.
2012-04-11 03:11:14 PM
1 votes:
Where can I place a bet on the color of his hair / facial hair style?

I'm going with platinum blonde / black porn 'stache.
2012-04-11 03:11:11 PM
1 votes:

timujin: Well, at least this will shut up the "He's innocent, otherwise they'd charge him with something!" brigade.


Now, they're only charging him because of the Mob.

And if they convict, it'll be because of the Mob.

And Zimmerman is a TRUE HERO because Martin had some jewelry and a screwdriver at some point, posed for the same kind of stupid photo thousands of other rap fans have taken of themselves, and even smoked the Devil Weed. So, even though Zimmerman had NO WAY of knowing any of that, he was clearly justified in shooting an unarmed minor.

Oh, and one eyewitness said they saw Martin beating up Zimmerman and calling for help. And eyewitness testimony is ULTRA-RELIABLE FOLKS.

And having one's head smashed repeatedly against the pavement isn't the kind of thing someone would get sent to the hospital for, apparently.
2012-04-11 03:10:48 PM
1 votes:
Yes, let the butthurt flow through you.


Please stop expecting rational discussion from people like 9beers. There is nothing genuine about what he's saying he's only working to rile you up, and it works. You act so incredulous about his reponses, you point out how ludicrous and conflicting every post is with itself, but you persist in validating and crediting his loathesome efforts. So save yourself the time and breath you are wasting. Ignore him and those who cut and paste his dialogue to share with those of us who've already done so.

/butthurt
2012-04-11 03:10:18 PM
1 votes:

srhp29: jim32rr: Most likely hiding out in Mexico, needs the ghost Johnnie Cochran to step in.

A white man hiding in Mexico will stick out like a sore thumb.


I would think Argentina.
2012-04-11 03:10:16 PM
1 votes:
Cue Up the Florida Tag....

i294.photobucket.com
2012-04-11 03:10:03 PM
1 votes:

skullkrusher: he's looking for the real killer


I'll start following any suspicious looking hispanics I find
2012-04-11 03:09:40 PM
1 votes:
Wait, is this the same prosecutor that he was reported to have spoken to?
2012-04-11 03:09:40 PM
1 votes:
cdn.wg.uproxx.com

RIP GEORGE ANDREW ZIMMERN
2012-04-11 03:09:30 PM
1 votes:
"You can stop looking in Florida," his former attorney Hal Uhrig told press yesterday. "Look much further away than that."

hagiblog.files.wordpress.com
"Where he went, he doesn't need eyes."

/is that far enough away?
2012-04-11 03:08:52 PM
1 votes:
Will that count as half an Hispanic on the ICE deportation count?

Just asking.....
2012-04-11 03:08:05 PM
1 votes:

Taikoluigi: Does this mean we'll quit seeing this crap in the news now?

Or will it be another farking month or so?


He's the new Casey Anthony.
2012-04-11 03:08:01 PM
1 votes:
Hmmm... It's a Zimmerman thread, but one of the regulars seems to be missing...
2012-04-11 03:07:27 PM
1 votes:

Silly Jesus: It'll be manslaughter.

Hung jury.


I'll wait to hear what more they actually have in the way of evidence, but it will still have to get past a judge before it even gets to a jury.
2012-04-11 03:07:14 PM
1 votes:
Annnnd now we can stop talking about this 12 hours a day. I can't figure out why some people were so adamant that there shouldn't be a trial. If he's innocent than he will be found not guilty. My guess is he will be spending 10 years in the pen for this.
2012-04-11 03:07:08 PM
1 votes:

ihatedumbpeople: Guess they caved to public pressure...wasn't this supposed to come in 72 hours?


WITHIN 72 hours, self-loathing one.
2012-04-11 03:07:05 PM
1 votes:
well i'm sure THIS is going to go well.


/if he did it in self defense, why did he run? a court would eventually find him not guilty.
2012-04-11 03:06:25 PM
1 votes:
Does this mean we'll quit seeing this crap in the news now?

Or will it be another farking month or so?
2012-04-11 03:06:21 PM
1 votes:
HERE . . . . . . WE. . . . . . . . . .GO!
2012-04-11 03:06:08 PM
1 votes:
Okay, which one of you added this comment to TFA?


Sccop_K
@Battler - well hold on. Zimmerman's admitted to killing Trayvon. If he wants to present "stand your ground", he's got to get on the stand. And if Law and Order has taught us anything - AND IT HAS - an unstable defendant is a sitting duck for Sam Waterston.
2012-04-11 03:06:06 PM
1 votes:
I like that after ample time to disappear, he will be charged with "something".
2012-04-11 03:05:59 PM
1 votes:
Well, at least this will shut up the "He's innocent, otherwise they'd charge him with something!" brigade.
2012-04-11 03:05:53 PM
1 votes:

NateGrey: Cue Republicans saying he didnt do anything wrong and shouldnt be charged.

Follow the law until they dont approve of the results.

/Vote Republican


Wrong. If they've got enough to charge him, they should go forward.
2012-04-11 03:05:36 PM
1 votes:
He's not hiding. He just Skittled away.
2012-04-11 03:05:28 PM
1 votes:
"look much farther away than that."

So the guy is in Thailand splitting twelve year old hookers with Gary Glitter or what?
2012-04-11 03:05:25 PM
1 votes:
Most likely hiding out in Mexico, needs the ghost Johnnie Cochran to step in.
2012-04-11 03:05:19 PM
1 votes:

fracas: What's the least dignified way this could end?


He get's charged with double parking and littering.
2012-04-11 03:04:55 PM
1 votes:
He's in North Dakota, at his relatives furniture store "Zimmermans". I just bought a table from him. Not kidding.
2012-04-11 03:04:44 PM
1 votes:
His mom is a cosmetic surgeon ... he has probably had his entire face redone, nobody will ever recognize him.
2012-04-11 03:04:43 PM
1 votes:

GAT_00: WhoIsWillo: Oh, Zimmerman, where you gonna run to? Oh Zimmerman, where you gonna run to?

This would work better if he hadn't already run the fark away.


So he ran to Hannity / he was waiting / He ran to Hannity / He was waiting / Oh, on that day.
2012-04-11 03:04:14 PM
1 votes:
Guess they caved to public pressure...wasn't this supposed to come in 72 hours?
2012-04-11 03:04:05 PM
1 votes:
They should check behind the local Home Depot
2012-04-11 03:03:52 PM
1 votes:
The Coming Race War (new window)
2012-04-11 03:03:45 PM
1 votes:
i174.photobucket.com
2012-04-11 03:01:49 PM
1 votes:
Locating Mr. Martin should not be difficult; he was buried in Miami, and I suspect that he has not relocated since.
2012-04-11 03:01:41 PM
1 votes:
circus court entertainment?
 
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