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2012-04-11 03:25:21 PM  

Giltric: You can charge someone with anything you want, its the whole getting a conviction part thats tricky.


This might be worse if hes found not guilty then not actually charging him with something.


Especially with double jeoardy
 
2012-04-11 03:25:23 PM  
Is there any rational reason to live in florida, besides the beach, food and DAT ASS?
 
2012-04-11 03:25:27 PM  

Phinn: Mike Chewbacca: TXEric: It will be involuntary/aggravated manslaughter, or at most 2nd degree murder.

And that's fine. I don't think George Zimmerman (dammit, I wrote Martin again!) intended to kill anyone that day. He just wanted to play cop and feel like a badass. Of course, how much of a badass are you if you successfully shoot and kill someone who doesn't even have a weapon?

It's just amazing how you know how someone else felt a month or more ago. It's like you can read his thoughts or something!

Does a sidewalk count as a weapon?

Yes, I think it does.

/Martin had another weapon.
//The one he had his hand around when it fired a bullet into his chest.


I'm pretty sure Zimmerman had "disarmed" Martin of the sidewalk weapon Martin was "carrying" when Zimmerman shot Martin.
 
2012-04-11 03:25:35 PM  
His dad lives in Virginia?

Then he is in Virginia, hiding under his dad. I would bet $4 on this, I am that certain.


/Only has $3
 
2012-04-11 03:25:48 PM  
As for going to Disney World, in 2 weeks, I wouldn't worry - I'm sure this trial won't start rolling until June or July at the earliest.

The announcement of charges are supposed to come down at 6:00PM ET.
 
2012-04-11 03:25:55 PM  
Assuming he lives until the end of all this... I'm betting it all on a mistrial followed by a mass race war.
 
Bf+
2012-04-11 03:25:56 PM  

GreatGlavinsGhost: Like I've said all along: 9beers is Zimmerman.



I dunno. Zimmerman doesn't appear to be nearly as racist.
But he did run away go talk to Hannity. I assume he got a lift on the Fox-Copter:
www.mediaite.com
 
2012-04-11 03:26:02 PM  

Silly Jesus: spiderpaz: Silly Jesus: It'll be manslaughter.

Hung jury.

Yep. There's not enough evidence to dispel reasonable doubt on his defense. That's why there weren't charges in the first place. The onus of proof is on the prosecution. But they're going to have to hold a trial anyway because there will be riots otherwise now that the media has stirred up a hornets nest.

You may not like our legal system, but you'll appreciate it if you're ever accused of a crime you didn't commit.

Yep, this is the only way out of this without more people getting killed. Throw up the lowest charge knowing that it probably won't stick. Still looks like you tried.

OR

When they return with not guilty, there are mass riots.


There will be riots no matter what
 
2012-04-11 03:26:11 PM  

vudukungfu: Wow, that didn't take long.
I have even lighter skin, so I guess I could pop a cap in a bro and the po po would just look the other way down there. I could walk forever and not hear nay noise.


Only one way to find out.
 
2012-04-11 03:26:28 PM  

srhp29: Spindle: There is no way they will be able to prove his guilt beyond a shadow of a doubt to a grand jury.

This case is not going before a grand jury. Just a regular one.


and a grand jury doesnt decide guilt, they decide if charges should be brought and which charges.
I guess prosecutor was worried that they might have not charged zimmerman at all.

and can someone explain why this tard was free to leave the state or country in the first place?
couldnt they have charged him will illegal firearm discharge, which would have kept him in the state???

and could someone post a link to WHO his father is?
pretty please?
thanks
 
2012-04-11 03:26:35 PM  

Giltric: Bf+: Bermuda59: If Zimmerman is currently in a "stand your ground" state, he better hope that no one recognizes him and feels threatened.


You joke, but he's a wanted man, missing, and presumed to be armed and dangerous.
He could easily get stand-your-grounded.

Is there a warrant out for his arrest?


And he ripped his favorite party dress.
 
2012-04-11 03:26:43 PM  

Scerpes: sforce: Scerpes: sforce: blackhalo: "Fla. Stat. 776.013(3)A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony."

So charge him with stalking too. Now he was engaged in unlawful activity.

Yeah...except that it doesn't fit the crime of stalking.

And. Sure it does:

(2)Any person who willfully, maliciously, and repeatedly follows, harasses, or cyberstalks another person commits the offense of stalking, a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.

Do you know what the word "repeatedly" means?


Yep. Do you? Did you miss the part where he followed him, went back to his car, and followed him again? .. Law is quite literal. 2 times would be repeatedly.
 
2012-04-11 03:26:46 PM  

Silly Jesus: spiderpaz: Silly Jesus: It'll be manslaughter.

Hung jury.

Yep. There's not enough evidence to dispel reasonable doubt on his defense. That's why there weren't charges in the first place. The onus of proof is on the prosecution. But they're going to have to hold a trial anyway because there will be riots otherwise now that the media has stirred up a hornets nest.

You may not like our legal system, but you'll appreciate it if you're ever accused of a crime you didn't commit.

Yep, this is the only way out of this without more people getting killed. Throw up the lowest charge knowing that it probably won't stick. Still looks like you tried.

OR

When they return with not guilty, there are mass riots.



So basically, if the non-black guy is found guilty everyone will go about their business but if he's innocent there will be riots? Gosh, I'd love to call you racist - but that pretty much sums it up. If OJ had been found guilty they'd still be rebuilding parts of California.
 
2012-04-11 03:26:50 PM  

FarkedOver: As this thread is getting out of control fast please see below.....

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2012-04-11 03:26:56 PM  

frepnog: ShamWowofDamocles: The hell you will. He's got a two day head start on you, which is more than he needs. Zimmerman's got friends in every town and village from here to the Sudan, he speaks a dozen languages, knows every local custom, he'll blend in, disappear, you'll never see him again. With any luck, he's got the grail already.

WE HAVE A WINNER


I'm pretty sure he got lost in his own museum.
 
2012-04-11 03:27:06 PM  

Mike Chewbacca: I'm pretty sure Zimmerman had "disarmed" Martin of the sidewalk weapon Martin was "carrying" when Zimmerman shot Martin.


Based on what evidence?
 
2012-04-11 03:27:29 PM  
his mother is peruvian, right? maybe he is hiding out down there.
 
2012-04-11 03:27:46 PM  

ihatedumbpeople: The angle of entry/exit on the bullet would is going to be the big thing...
.


The big thing isn't going to be the angle of the bullet, since his defense is that they were struggling over his gun when he shot Martin. It will be the distance that the bullet was fired from. If it's anything other than point blank range, then Zimmerman's story falls apart. If they determine there was a distance even greater than arms length then it's going to be hard to claim he didn't have any choice but to shoot, because that would indicate that possibly Zimmerman pulled his weapon and Martin was trying to back off.

Does anyone know how easy/difficult it is to judge distance based on the wound? Wouldn't they be able to judge that from powder burns on Martin's skin or clothes?
 
2012-04-11 03:27:46 PM  
The trolls have to take shifts with this number of greenlits. So much for the "earn easy money on the side, all you need is a computer and an Internet connection" ad that Drew posted. It turns out it's actual work to be an ass on the Internet.
 
2012-04-11 03:27:52 PM  

Biological Ali: Replace stalking with any one of a number of things that fits. Didn't think I really needed to explain the idea behind the comment.

I don't think that's necessary. This is the more important segment, I think: "A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked..." I doubt whether Zimmerman will get to stand his ground if he's the one who started it.




That's not what the statute says:
776.041Use of force by aggressor (new window).-The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who:

* * *

(2)Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless:
(a)Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape
such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant; or

* * *


So long as a first aggressor is in fear of great bodily injury and is unable to escape at the moment he pulls the trigger, he's still justified. I'm interested to hear what Corey has to say.
 
2012-04-11 03:27:55 PM  

Phinn: Does a sidewalk count as a weapon?

Yes, I think it does.

/Martin had another weapon.
//The one he had his hand around when it fired a bullet into his chest.


Wait, are you saying Martin got Zimmerman's gun and shot himself??
 
2012-04-11 03:27:59 PM  

s2s2s2: TravisBickle62: His dad is a big judge at he U.N., he is probably in Switzerland by now

I heard his dad was Bob Dylan.


kistenet.com

you mean uncle robert?
 
2012-04-11 03:28:02 PM  
Give me a friggen break all of you trying to say that he has run. He has had death threats made against him, people with large media followings calling for violence against him. He's not letting his location to be known to the public and those speaking for him say they don't know where he is and some of you have a problem with that? What exactly should someone that has been threatened do? You have no idea if the procecuters are in contact with him and if they are they would be idiots to disclose his location. Sorry Fark briade, but many of you are wrong on this one. I have no idea if the shooting was justified or not, although the latest evidence suggest it was justified. If he goes to trial or if charges aren't filed we will know then won't we? In the meantime, anyone claiming to know what really happened is just guessing.
 
2012-04-11 03:28:06 PM  

ShamWowofDamocles: The hell you will. He's got a two day head start on you, which is more than he needs. Zimmerman's got friends in every town and village from here to the Sudan, he speaks a dozen languages, knows every local custom, he'll blend in, disappear, you'll never see him again. With any luck, he's got the grail already.


This is the best comment I have ever read.

/kudos
//NO TICKET
 
2012-04-11 03:28:08 PM  
I'm doubling down on shotgun shells and a couple sets of those frost the snowman ice cube sets in the fark store.

No reason to have my gin ricky warm just because of a little race war....
 
2012-04-11 03:28:08 PM  

Tio_Holtzmann: look much farther away than that


former attorney Hal Uhrig

Bearing in mind attorney client privilege
This was
a: incredibly stupid
b: an "opposite day" ploy
c: a wink wink "Im not telling"
d: all of the above

// Even after you are no longer the attorney, the point still stands for what was said at the time
 
2012-04-11 03:28:09 PM  

blackminded: Real quick though: Any Farkers want to make a recommendation on a Sig Sauer P229 chambered for .357SIG as a concealed carry weapon?

[img3.findthebest.com image 633x348]

/I'll check back later


I have a P229 (Platinum Elite) that I really like. Though mine is chambered in .40. Go with 9mm or go with .40. Why are you gonna use a 9mm that thinks it's a .40? It's like hiring a hooker and then finding out she's really a man too late. It shoots well, and it's a good gun. Though for carry I use this:
remtek.com
Chambered in .32. I carry this one if I am lightly dressed with sweatpants or otherwise am not using a belt, because it's lighter.
or
upload.wikimedia.org
Steyr M9 (9mm).
t0.gstatic.com
I like the sights for it, and it's pretty accurate
 
2012-04-11 03:28:13 PM  

SlothB77: his mother is peruvian, right? maybe he is hiding out down there.


Oh, man, that's naaaaaaaaaaaaaaasty.
 
2012-04-11 03:28:15 PM  

sforce: Scerpes: sforce: blackhalo: "Fla. Stat. 776.013(3)A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony."

So charge him with stalking too. Now he was engaged in unlawful activity.

Yeah...except that it doesn't fit the crime of stalking.

And. Sure it does:

(2)Any person who willfully, maliciously, and repeatedly follows, harasses, or cyberstalks another person commits the offense of stalking, a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.


Stalking has to take place over a period of time maybe under special circumstances they can apply it to a 30 minute window......just curious...why did you leave out that part of the statute?
 
2012-04-11 03:28:18 PM  
Now can it be time for the simplistic, but snappy Cochran-style slogans?

If they can't prove shiat, you must acquit!
 
2012-04-11 03:28:19 PM  

Wendy's Chili: Thunderpipes: Guilty or innocent, we all lose today

Why would we lose if a guilty man is being charged for his crime?



I think we all lose because no matter what this case has been so tainted by the media and public feelings this will never be a fair trial. I doubt he can have an untainted jury pool. No way.
 
2012-04-11 03:28:55 PM  

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2012-04-11 03:28:59 PM  

Tio_Holtzmann: So the guy is in Thailand splitting twelve year old hookers with Gary Glitter or what?


Working the door at Roman Polanski's.
 
2012-04-11 03:29:00 PM  

cookiefleck: Is there any rational reason to live in florida, besides the beach, food and DAT ASS?


Beach? Food? And DAT ASS? Some other rational reason, besides those?

Could you repeat the question? Or possibly rephrase it? I want to be sure I understand it.
 
2012-04-11 03:29:10 PM  

blackminded: Real quick though: Any Farkers want to make a recommendation on a Sig Sauer P229 chambered for .357SIG as a concealed carry weapon?

[img3.findthebest.com image 633x348]

/I'll check back later


.357SIG is a pricey gimmick. If you like Sig Sauer, that's fine, but you'd be better served with 10mm kurtz (aka .40SW). The Glock 27 is a good choice of concealable pistol.
 
2012-04-11 03:29:12 PM  

Phinn: Mike Chewbacca: I'm pretty sure Zimmerman had "disarmed" Martin of the sidewalk weapon Martin was "carrying" when Zimmerman shot Martin.

Based on what evidence?


Based on the fact he was dead or at least well on the way to being dead.
 
2012-04-11 03:29:19 PM  
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2012-04-11 03:29:33 PM  
When are the farking sea levels going to rise?

I'm so sick of Florida.
 
2012-04-11 03:29:34 PM  

ciberido: srhp29: A white man hiding in Mexico will stick out like a sore thumb.

Poe's Law, but, have you even been to Mexico? White people don't exactly stand out there.


Poe Ley Que?
 
Bf+
2012-04-11 03:29:39 PM  

nvmac: frepnog: ShamWowofDamocles: The hell you will. He's got a two day head start on you, which is more than he needs. Zimmerman's got friends in every town and village from here to the Sudan, he speaks a dozen languages, knows every local custom, he'll blend in, disappear, you'll never see him again. With any luck, he's got the grail already.

WE HAVE A WINNER

I prefer the following:

"Listen, people - do you have any idea who you're dealing with? This is George Zimmerman. You are two days behind the toughest target you have ever tracked. Now I want everyone to sit down, strap in, and turn on all you've got. That would mean now."



ooh...ooh!

You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in neighborhood watch, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In Vietnam his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well Zimmerman was the best.
 
2012-04-11 03:29:47 PM  
The real fun will start when he's found not guilty in state court and is immediately hit with federal hate crime charges.
 
2012-04-11 03:29:59 PM  

apoptotic: Wait, are you saying Martin got Zimmerman's gun and shot himself??


No, I'm saying Martin got a hold of Zimmerman's pistol, and was trying to take it when it went off.

I believe I read somewhere that the pistol did not cycle properly. It did not chamber the next round.

They do that when there's a hand on the slide.
 
2012-04-11 03:30:00 PM  

ivan: skullkrusher: ivan: skullkrusher: RevBigfoot: So wait, does this mean the race war is on, or will it now be postponed?

Delayed on account of justice. Make up game scheduled when he is found innocent.

He has to be found before he can be found innocent.

I don't think the guy is on the lam.

Do you think his whereabouts are known?

Actually, I expect him to surrender. It's dangerous out there.


no but I'd be in hiding too, wouldn't you? If he doesn't surrender after the charges are filed, then he's on the lam :)
 
2012-04-11 03:30:03 PM  

Giltric: (2)Any person who willfully, maliciously, and repeatedly follows, harasses, or cyberstalks another person commits the offense of stalking, a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.

Stalking has to take place over a period of time maybe under special circumstances they can apply it to a 30 minute window......just curious...why did you leave out that part of the statute?



Just curious? You know exactly why he left it out.
 
2012-04-11 03:30:23 PM  
Let's start a George Zimmerman commits suicide pool.
 
2012-04-11 03:30:32 PM  

WhoIsWillo: Oh, Zimmerman, where you gonna run to? Oh Zimmerman, where you gonna run to?


The delta quadrant perhaps?

/obscure?
 
2012-04-11 03:30:58 PM  

apoptotic: Wait, are you saying Martin got Zimmerman's gun and shot himself??


There are some people who really, really, really want to blame Martin for this.

They don't just want to wait until they get all the facts before they jump on the anti-Zimmerman bandwagon, they REALLY want to portray Martin as a "thug" and a criminal and someone who deserved to be killed.

I wonder why.

Hmmmmmmm.
 
2012-04-11 03:31:04 PM  

BigBooper: Has any of these threads ended up less than 500 posts?


And it's always the same back-and-forth.

/So what the hell am I doing here? See you in a different thread, guys.
 
2012-04-11 03:31:20 PM  
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2012-04-11 03:31:20 PM  

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Warrrrrrrrrrrrriors come out and plaaaaaayyyyyyy
 
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