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RaceBoatDriver		2012-04-12 09:20:36 AM

Getting that whole "I missed that day" feel.

A Peruvian Dwight Schrute murderer took it to 11. A Florida law took it even further. Prosecutors sat on their ass. The special (ahem) prosecutor spun it as justice in its highest form. All that I get.

How does race fit into this? Please discuss.

s2s2s2		2012-04-12 09:23:42 AM

vygramul: That's at odds with your graphic, where it took him 25 seconds to walk from his truck to the altercation point, but was there for 1:27, allegedly, before he was attacked. The call started at about 7pm. Martin was dead about 10 minutes after the call ended. Just how long was it going to take him to mosey back to his truck?

No it's not. George was in place while discussing where to meet police. "On his way back to his truck" has no bearing on how much time it would have taken to get there. The reason he didn't get far, according to George, is that he was attacked almost immediately, once he started to head back. Scuffle, shooting...now was he supposed to go to his truck, or remain there and wait for police, so as to avoid the appearance that he was taking flight?

ChuDogg		2012-04-12 09:23:57 AM

vygramul: ChuDogg:Zimmerman's statement was that he had lost sight of Trayvon and
was returning to his truck to meet the police officer when he says he was attacked by Trayvon.

That's at odds with your graphic, where it took him 25 seconds to walk from his truck to the altercation point, but was there for 1:27, allegedly, before he was attacked. The call started at about 7pm. Martin was dead about 10 minutes after the call ended. Just how long was it going to take him to mosey back to his truck?

yeah but no, there is about 1 minute between 911 calls

s2s2s2		2012-04-12 09:27:09 AM

tirob: Zimmerman misled the dispatcher as to his intentions

Says you. This is where you break from the story George gave, supported by evidence, and leap to the great failing most people have in this case, "Trayvon is dead, that means George continued pursuit." Meanwhile, you offer not even a slightest hint of actual evidence to support that having been the case, and you completely discount the idea that Trayvon could have attacked George. I was never more likely in my life to want to start a fight, than when I was 17.

ChuDogg		2012-04-12 09:29:32 AM

Phinn: Has anyone bothered to check with the evidence room at the Miami Metro Police Department to see if anyone ever claimed the women's jewelry that Trayvon Martin had in his possession?

The women's jewelry he was "holding for a friend."

The true owner of the women's jewelry that was taken off of Trayvon Martin would likely have gone to the police to claim it.

With all the millions of dollars being spent on media coverage and lawyers, you'd think someone could verify this simple piece of evidence of Martin's propensity toward thievery.

you have a naieve view of police work if you think stolen property eventually winds up back to its owner

NeoBad		2012-04-12 09:32:11 AM

one thing dawned on me after reading most of these posts and thinking about my experiences here on fark. I guess I already knew this but in applies to this case more than ever.

Martin: Stupid 17 year old kid
ZImmerman: Stupid 28 year old man

When Stupid and Stupid mix, brilliance NEVER occurs.

s2s2s2		2012-04-12 09:33:18 AM

ChuDogg: Here's the problem, most of the encounter is recorded with Zimmerman on the phone with 911. We know when he got of the car, we know where he got out of the car. We then hear him open his door when asked "which way is he headed. He then appears to give run/walk for about 30 seconds, then dismissively says "he ran", he can now see down the walkway. His breathing normalizes, as if he's at stand still or maybe slight pacing while on the phone for a full minute and 30 seconds left in the call.

For your theory to be correct, he's running a full sprint down the front of the housing complex, says "he ran" for no reason at all, then calms his breathing to appear like he stopped for a minute and 30 seconds and holds a conversation while sprinting around to cut off Martin.

The next thing we know, we hear a 911 call, with 45 seconds of somebody screaming for help. Not much time before Zimmerman hangs up the phone, and before the 911 call, to get the scene to where your map could possibly indicate it is, then scuffle around and wind up at the first house by Zimmerman's truck.

A much simpler explanation? Zimmerman moved behind the house where he saw Zimmerman running, hoping to get a view of his flight through the neighborhood. Here it is with the full transcript: Link (new window)

This makes more sense than anything I've heard in this debate. Great work.

Phinn		2012-04-12 09:45:13 AM

ChuDogg: Phinn: Has anyone bothered to check with the evidence room at the Miami Metro Police Department to see if anyone ever claimed the women's jewelry that Trayvon Martin had in his possession?

The women's jewelry he was "holding for a friend."

The true owner of the women's jewelry that was taken off of Trayvon Martin would likely have gone to the police to claim it.

With all the millions of dollars being spent on media coverage and lawyers, you'd think someone could verify this simple piece of evidence of Martin's propensity toward thievery.

you have a naieve view of police work if you think stolen property eventually winds up back to its owner

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In ordinary cases, sure, I can see where the 12 pieces of women's jewelry that Martin had in his backpack might not rank very high on Miami PD's list of priorities. They have economic pressures, and have to allocate resources accordingly.

But now, this case justifies virtually all expense. The media coverage doesn't get any more intense. I am sure there are millions and millions of dollars in investigative resources being deployed. There are dozens if not hundreds of people who would be willing to investigate the 12 pieces of women's jewelry for free, for the mere chance of getting some piece of evidence that would get more news attention.

It's my understanding that the school police took possession of the 12 pieces of women's jewelry from Martin, and merely sent photos to Miami PD to compare to recent burglaries.

Do the school police still have the 12 pieces of women's jewelry?

Did anyone publish those photos of the 12 pieces of women's jewelry?

Did anyone check the burglary records outside of Miami to identify the owner of the 12 pieces of women's jewelry?

Did Trayvon Martin spend time in Sanford prior to this fatal shooting incident?

Did anyone compare the photos of the 12 pieces of women's jewelry against the reported thefts in Seminole County?

Did anyone check with the residents of Martin's father's "gated community" to see if any of them had any of these 12 pieces of women's jewelry stolen?

I am sure someone would like to clear Trayvon Martin's good name, and would be glad to do the leg work necessary to convince people that the 12 pieces of women's jewelry found in his backpack had not been stolen from that neighborhood in Sanford.

way south		2012-04-12 09:49:21 AM

Phinn: you'd think someone could verify this simple piece of evidence of Martin's propensity toward thievery.

If something of yours was found in Trayvon's pocket, would you want anything to do with this shiatstorm?

/When everyone else involved is getting hate mail and death threats.
/Let it go man, cuz its gone.
/If there is such evidence and it has an owner, you'd probably have to wait till trial to hear from them.

SharkTrager		2012-04-12 09:49:45 AM

9beers: SharkTrager: Some of yu people are way too invested in this case.

What do you mean "yu people"?

Japanese pitchers of course.

Dimming		2012-04-12 09:49:46 AM

NeoBad: one thing dawned on me after reading most of these posts and thinking about my experiences here on fark. I guess I already knew this but in applies to this case more than ever.

Martin: Stupid 17 year old kid
ZImmerman: Stupid 28 year old man

When Stupid and Stupid mix, brilliance NEVER occurs.

I can't remember which farker it was, but last week he summed it up with something to the effect of, "this is a case of two assholes colliding, and nothing good can come out of that" (paraphrase).

Phinn		2012-04-12 09:53:14 AM

way south: If something of yours was found in Trayvon's pocket, would you want anything to do with this shiatstorm?

Me? No. But the World is full of attention whores.

Ctrl-Alt-Del		2012-04-12 10:02:55 AM

9beers: gimmegimme: We have no proof of anything, we have no evidence of anything, so Martin deserved to be executed.

That's what I said?

Pretty much, yeah.

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s2s2s2		2012-04-12 10:02:56 AM

RaceBoatDriver: How does race fit into this?

For you?

RaceBoatDriver: A Peruvian Dwight Schrute murderer

You hate Peruvians, and presume guilt based on race.

way south		2012-04-12 10:03:21 AM

Phinn: way south: If something of yours was found in Trayvon's pocket, would you want anything to do with this shiatstorm?

Me? No. But the World is full of attention whores.

Then the owner would have to be an attention whore who wants to side with the most unloved man since Hitler during the populist judgement casting phase of his trial.

...Assuming these people even know its their stuff.
There were multiple robberies in the area, which begot the neighborhood watch. Assuming what Travyon had wasn't his (big assumption) then it might not have been from that night.

Phinn		2012-04-12 10:04:49 AM

s2s2s2: You hate Peruvians, and presume guilt based on race.

Actually, he hates White-Mexican half-Peruvian Jews.

/And really, who doesn't?

s2s2s2		2012-04-12 10:09:42 AM

Phinn: s2s2s2: You hate Peruvians, and presume guilt based on race.

Actually, he hates White-Mexican half-Peruvian Jews.

/And really, who doesn't?

White supremacists, or so I'm told.

ChuDogg		2012-04-12 10:13:50 AM

s2s2s2: Phinn: s2s2s2: You hate Peruvians, and presume guilt based on race.

Actually, he hates White-Mexican half-Peruvian Jews.

/And really, who doesn't?

White supremacists, or so I'm told.

Zing!

hatelabs		2012-04-12 10:15:40 AM

Wulfman: hatelabs: 99 out of 100000 times A means no dead kid (criminal thug or no) no guy in the headlines (racist nazi or no) and life goes on because civilized people act civil.

Dude c'mon math wtf

heh,.. laptop numpad (99 out of 100)

Ctrl-Alt-Del		2012-04-12 10:16:22 AM

vegasj: jesus... the ignore button is for pussies

You know, it's funny - the only people I ever see using this line are complete douchebags who are being ignored by more and more farkers.

Thanks for being another data point

Deucednuisance		2012-04-12 10:17:15 AM

ChuDogg: but if Zimmerman can show that Martin had grabbed his gun at the time of the conflict and he had no choice but to shoot, he couldn't fall under the "demonstrating a depraved mind" at the scene to qualify for a murder charge.

What utter nonsense.

If Zimmerman brandished the weapon (which you don't do unless you intend to shoot, as countless Farkers inform us) the brandishing itself is that demonstration. And if Martin grabbed it, Martin was defending himself. Equally likely scenario, and we have no evidence either way. Rank speculation gets us exactly nowhere.

And your blocked slide hypothesis is far from ironclad, also. Guns jam and fail to operate properly all the time.

Phinn		2012-04-12 10:18:26 AM

way south: Phinn: way south: If something of yours was found in Trayvon's pocket, would you want anything to do with this shiatstorm?

Me? No. But the World is full of attention whores.

Then the owner would have to be an attention whore who wants to side with the most unloved man since Hitler during the populist judgement casting phase of his trial.

...Assuming these people even know its their stuff.
There were multiple robberies in the area, which begot the neighborhood watch. Assuming what Travyon had wasn't his (big assumption) then it might not have been from that night.

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A male teenager's possession of 12 pieces of women's jewelry in a backpack at school is highly suspicious. Particularly since he could not explain the provenance of the 12 pieces of women's jewelry other than to say it belonged to an unnamed "friend."

But as I understand it, the school suspension that followed the discovery of the 12 pieces of women's jewelry was several months prior to the suspension for marijuana, which precipitated Martin's trip to Sanford in February. October 2011, I think.

The relevant question is whether Martin had been in Sanford prior to October 2011 (or whenever the 12 pieces of women's jewelry were discovered).

Checking these facts does not require locating a brave attention whore willing to side with the New Hitler.

It requires checking with Seminole County law enforcement to see if anyone filed a relevant burglary report around October 2011.

vygramul		2012-04-12 10:24:45 AM

way south: political pressure

The prosecutor has a history of aggressive charging, but she also has a history of telling political pressure to fark off. She once charged a 12 year-old as an adult and the political pressure to change that was significant. I think murder 2 may be overcharging (who knows what evidence they have) but I doubt she's just caving to pressure. She could have done that with manslaughter.

s2s2s2		2012-04-12 10:26:57 AM

Deucednuisance: all the time

Well, not all the time. Unless you are talking about a second shooter.

Oh wait, nope, his gun jammed, too.

s2s2s2		2012-04-12 10:29:00 AM

vygramul: charged a 12 year-old as an adult

So she won't be pushing the "Like the Predator, hunting down his game, a wee little baby Trayvon" attack?

omeganuepsilon		2012-04-12 10:31:08 AM

Ctrl-Alt-Del: vegasj: jesus... the ignore button is for pussies

You know, it's funny - the only people I ever see using this line are complete douchebags who are being ignored by more and more farkers.

Thanks for being another data point

That's perfect. What really gives it that perfect edge is the "pussies" part. Internet Tough Guy's are renowned for their public image and all..

I think it's only fair to let someone know they are being ignored, I mean, it's not like the old telephones where they actually hear the distinctive click. Call it polite if you will.

Manners on my internet? GTFO!!!

hatelabs		2012-04-12 10:31:23 AM

kosumi: hatelabs: I'd risk the jail time anywhere with no stand your ground law

Why? If someone decks you and looks like they want to beat your ass, the obvious solution is to run away yourself. No jail time, no dead 17 year old weighing on your conscience, no relatives out for revenge.

When someone is that close "turning to run" is more often than not an unsafe option.
When someone comes at you and assults you they don't say "Ok I'm going to hit you a few times to teach you a lesson and get you to back off me."

You don't know if their next move is to stab you, shoot you, rape you, etc..
A close friend of mine was mugged and the only thing keeping him from getting killed was the kindness of strangers. Anyone willing to assult me is instantly less than I am. I'm about as liberal as it comes but when you assult someone you take your life into your own hands, don't want to die, don't assult people end of story.

If it turns out he assulted the guy then let it be a lesson to criminals everywhere, assult people and you run the risk of getting killed. If you're the kind of person who just assults people for talking to you, you're probably the kind of person who's going to get killed sooner or later in some stupid violent activity anyway good riddance.

If it turns out he didn't assult the guy then throw the book at him and let it be a lesson to would be vigillantes that if you take the law into your own hands w/out justification you go to jail/die. Again, chances are if you're that kind of person you're going to end up in jail anyway again good riddance.

People have idolized one side or the other in this case like it's good vs. evil when it's more likely they were both scumbags and both of them being dead would better the planet considerably.

vygramul		2012-04-12 10:34:23 AM

ChuDogg: vygramul: ChuDogg:Zimmerman's statement was that he had lost sight of Trayvon and
was returning to his truck to meet the police officer when he says he was attacked by Trayvon.

That's at odds with your graphic, where it took him 25 seconds to walk from his truck to the altercation point, but was there for 1:27, allegedly, before he was attacked. The call started at about 7pm. Martin was dead about 10 minutes after the call ended. Just how long was it going to take him to mosey back to his truck?

yeah but no, there is about 1 minute between 911 calls

I haven't found a source with timestamps for Zim's first call. All I ever see is "about 7pm". I have seen timestamps associated with other 911 calls, with the gunshot at 7:16. Do you have timestamps for the first call?

Also, "farking punks" - really? Is there a better audio than we've been hearing? I can buy "goons" but "punks" doesn't seem to match the vowel sound I heard, unless they say it different in Florida.

vygramul		2012-04-12 10:38:28 AM

s2s2s2: vygramul: charged a 12 year-old as an adult

So she won't be pushing the "Like the Predator, hunting down his game, a wee little baby Trayvon" attack?

Probably will anyway. I would bet money the opening statement will include that Zimmerman shot an unarmed child. Prosecution doesn't have to be consistent from case to case.

omeganuepsilon		2012-04-12 10:44:21 AM

hatelabs:

People have idolized one side or the other in this case like it's good vs. evil when it's more likely they were both scumbags and both of them being dead would better the planet considerably.

I might just subscribe to a newsletter.

Scumbag is a little strong maybe. Morons, asshats, maybe. But that's a matter of taste really, the gene pool is better off without them.

What?
/I dare you.

Phinn		2012-04-12 10:45:52 AM

vygramul: Also, "farking punks" - really? Is there a better audio than we've been hearing? I can buy "goons" but "punks" doesn't seem to match the vowel sound I heard, unless they say it different in Florida.

I believe he said "farking codes." As in "gate codes." The ones that keep letting strangers in.

Or, perhaps, "farking cones." There may have been orange traffic cones placed near the crosswalk, which was the spot where Zimmerman parked his truck.

I am also willing to entertain the possibility there were pine cones on the ground, although the trees there appear to rather spindly.

The "d" sound and "n" sound both place the tongue on the roof of the mouth, behind the teeth, and are virtually indistinguishable in poor audio recordings.

But the hard "c" at the beginning, the long-o in the middle, an d/n followed by an "s" are all audible.

s2s2s2		2012-04-12 10:47:50 AM

vygramul: Probably will anyway. I would bet money the opening statement will include that Zimmerman shot an unarmed child. Prosecution doesn't have to be consistent from case to case.

But how can I buy that when she would likely prosecute Martin as an adult, were he to have shot George.

omeganuepsilon		2012-04-12 10:49:28 AM

vygramul:
Also, "farking punks" - really? Is there a better audio than we've been hearing? I can buy "goons" but "punks" doesn't seem to match the vowel sound I heard, unless they say it different in Florida.

punta? (poon-tah) [ie not british for punter]

Spit-balling on this one, been like a week since I listened to the the original audio, haven't caught the whole "punks" explanation on audio yet.

keithgabryelski		2012-04-12 10:50:27 AM

Phinn		2012-04-12 10:57:41 AM

keithgabryelski: walking home with skittles in your hand when you are 17 is not considered an adult action.

Punching someone and bashing his head on the pavement for asking what you're doing is adult action.

vygramul		2012-04-12 10:58:06 AM

s2s2s2: vygramul: Probably will anyway. I would bet money the opening statement will include that Zimmerman shot an unarmed child. Prosecution doesn't have to be consistent from case to case.

But how can I buy that when she would likely prosecute Martin as an adult, were he to have shot George.

You're living in a country where two teenage minors are being charged as adults for sending nude pictures of minors - themselves. They're being treated as minors for one component of the crime while simultaneously being treated as adults for the same component of the same crime plus another component of the same crime.

The Martin child/adult inconsistency is trivial in comparison.

Mi-5		2012-04-12 10:59:56 AM

Mike Chewbacca: eraser8: vegasj: Have they addressed all the black on white violent crimes yet? I'm waiting.

What does that have to do with this case?

And please, Vegasj, show us a case where a black person homocided a white person and hasn't been charged with a crime.

VegasJ is a jackass clown who, by using my hometown in his name, give it a very bad rep. He's an empty suit and should be placed on ignore, but if you want to have a bigot comeout and show his colors, just let him continue to embarrass himself.

Pretty pathetic he's blaming minorities for the fact that he just sucks at anything he does.

s2s2s2		2012-04-12 11:10:57 AM

keithgabryelski: because the adult action of a soon-to-be adult is considered an adult action

You mean like jumping an innocent man, and breaking his nose?

Mrtraveler01		2012-04-12 11:14:02 AM

redmid17: Fox News =/= local Fox affiliate

If you need someone to explain that to you, then I'd imagine you need a lot else clarified. Rupert Murdoch's evil arm doesn't reach to every minor television market in the US, even Tampa

Actually... (new window)

/The Fox stations in Tampa and Orlando are owned by News Corp

s2s2s2		2012-04-12 11:16:33 AM

Mrtraveler01: The Fox stations in Tampa and Orlando are owned by News Corp

Well, then maybe there IS hope of getting a better record of the call with the girlfriend.

s2s2s2		2012-04-12 11:21:02 AM

Well it looks like someone thinks the hype has gotten a little out of hand.

Holy Farking Fark this has to be fake. (new window)

s2s2s2		2012-04-12 11:25:54 AM

s2s2s2: Well it looks like someone thinks the hype has gotten a little out of hand.

Holy Farking Fark this has to be fake. (new window)

Nope (new window)

Well I guess we have the winning troll in this whole thing.

s2s2s2		2012-04-12 11:29:17 AM

ChuDogg:

Come back and check my last posts. Tray's mom is now on the side of the racists.

Deucednuisance		2012-04-12 11:31:26 AM

s2s2s2: Maybe they made him change his shirt for evidence.

And you have the stones to chide others for speculation?

Bro-ther....

WienerButt: His mugshot:

Boy howdy, wouldja look at that broken nose?

hatelabs		2012-04-12 11:32:36 AM

s2s2s2: Well it looks like someone thinks the hype has gotten a little out of hand.

Holy Farking Fark this has to be fake. (new window)

Wow,..that's either:

A. The most rational thing I've heard from the people least likely to be so in this situation.
or
B. They must know that there's some bad stuff that's going to come out in the investigation and it's time to look civilized for the cameras.

Time will tell..

vygramul		2012-04-12 11:32:41 AM

Well, you do realize an accident of that sort is frequently prosecuted. That's why we have manslaughter and reckless endangerment and depraved indifference.

NightOwl2255		2012-04-12 11:34:43 AM

Phinn: Punching someone and bashing his head on the pavement for asking what you're doing is adult action.

Your obsession with women's jewelery aside, if Martin was a dope smoking, jewelery stealing low-life, it in no way changes this case. In no way. (bold, just for you) And you know this, man!

s2s2s2		2012-04-12 11:35:16 AM

Deucednuisance: s2s2s2: Maybe they made him change his shirt for evidence.

And you have the stones to chide others for speculation?

Bro-ther....

WienerButt: His mugshot:

Boy howdy, wouldja look at that broken nose?

I think the problem you have here, is I am admitting it's speculation with my wording.
The people I complain about are stating that Trayvon being shot is proof he was stalked and murdered because of racism are doing so with the insistence that it is fact.