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2012-04-11 05:27:01 PM  

9beers: Mrtraveler01: The one who didn't witness the start of the fight...

So lets assume Zimmerman Martin started it, right? Yeah, the law doesn't work like that.


Doesn't work like that either.
 
2012-04-11 05:27:28 PM  
It must be a real joy for all the people who were too scared to say what they really have thought all these years to just let loose.

Like shooting a kid carrying Skittles. Damn must feel good to let that racist flag fly.
 
2012-04-11 05:27:32 PM  

Rent Party: "Confronting" isn't illegal, and it is not starting a fight.


Certainly it is. If he in any way attempted to impede Martin's progress, it's not confronting, it's *kidnapping.*


That's pure comedy gold right there.
 
2012-04-11 05:27:36 PM  

9beers: Mike Chewbacca: If anything, these threads are good for adding to my troll ignore list.

Ignore everybody with an opinion you don't like and eventually, you'll be right about everything.


People don't put you on ignore because you have an "opinion they don't like." They put you on ignore because you deliberately distort the truth in order to get people riled up.

But I am pleased that you clearly see yourself as the one truthteller who has the courage to speak truth to what you see as a mob. You're a hero.
 
2012-04-11 05:27:46 PM  

Purdue_Pete: *bet


*word
 
2012-04-11 05:27:47 PM  
symtronic
hey... you want to act like a thug, die like one

You're either a troll or a horrible excuse for a human being or both. It's ignore list time.
 
2012-04-11 05:27:50 PM  

Mrtraveler01: //You're not even trying to hide it anymore are you?


Hide what? I'm a realist.

Karma Curmudgeon: You sound oppressed.


I am, I tested the highest in my class for a government job but since we have AA they picked the guy who tested below me only because he was black... is that better?

 
2012-04-11 05:28:05 PM  

9beers: Rent Party: The wounds Zimmerman suffered. Are they consistent with someone who was getting his head slammed on the sidewalk, or someone who just got his nose bloodied in a common fist-a-cuffs episode?

Well since the officers and paramedics on the scene observed and treated the wounds, I'd say so. Let me guess, you saw a blurry videotape and think you know more about the wounds Zimmerman suffered than the people on the scene?

So tell me, just how many times do you need to have your head slammed into the ground after being leveled by a punch to the face before you can defend yourself?


I'll tell you what. Go outside and slam your head into the sidewalk, and then come back and tell us whether you look like Zimmerman does in that video.

The prosecution is going to absolutely make that case, because Zimmerman's story doesn't add up with the evidence of Zimmerman's wounds.
 
2012-04-11 05:28:22 PM  

Hector Remarkable: "Couldn't help but make me feel ashamed to live in a land
Where justice is a game."

-Zimmerman


ooh ooh ooh! Can I play?

I saw guns and sharp swords in the hands of young children
And it's a hard, it's a hard, it's a hard, and it's a hard
It's a hard rain's a-gonna fall.

-Zimmerman
 
2012-04-11 05:28:51 PM  

ivan: Mike Chewbacca: If anything, these threads are good for adding to my troll ignore list.

Also, for highlighting some more good guys in green3.

Of course, if I'm one of the trolls, you won't see my compliment.


Nah, I only ignore the obvious and obnoxious trolls. I've even left skinnyhead off there because I think he's funny and most likely a satirist. But 9beers and the other guys I mentioned in this thread are obnoxious and provocative, and not in a good way.

So basically, any funny people I don't block, because I find them funny, even if they are trolling. I didn't see you trolling so much as being super sarcastic.
 
2012-04-11 05:29:23 PM  

vegasj: With Obama as Pres, Holder as DA...

we're all farked unless you are the correct color or suck their asses.

Good boy Al Sharpton, good boy.... (new window)

"CNSNews.com endeavors to fairly present all legitimate sides of a story..."


Damn, now that is some funny shiat right there.
That would be as ridiculous as StormFront.com saying they fight for minorities.
 
2012-04-11 05:29:32 PM  

redmid17: If he claims SYG and justifiable self-defense, then it might not even get to trial.


It will go to trial. At this point, we as a nation can't afford for it not to. Even if that means we have to bend the rules a little to take a man to trial without evidence.
 
2012-04-11 05:29:39 PM  

vegasj: I tested the highest in my class for a government job but since we have AA they picked the guy who tested below me only because he was black... is that better?


Oh dude, I'm pretty sure they picked that guy for a lot of reasons more than your test scores.

WTF, you sound like you just got dusted off from 1978.
 
2012-04-11 05:30:02 PM  

Carth: Warlordtrooper: SharkTrager: Rent Party: Is it reasonable to conclude that Zimmerman's intent, after taking all of those actions, was to *not* confront Martin? Particularly when supported by the witnesses testimony who was on the phone when the fight actually started?

"Confronting" isn't illegal, and it is not starting a fight.

The guy is an asshole, but that's not illegal.

confronting may not be illegal but it still means you provoked the incident. Which negates your right to argue self defense.

Wouldn't that depend if, as he claims, he had disengaged and was walking back to the car when Martin assaulted him?


It's a good thing Martin was on the phone with his girlfriend when the confrontation occurred, no? That means we have someone else's testimony to add to the mix that can help corroborate the story the evidence tells.
 
2012-04-11 05:30:10 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Doesn't work like that either.


Well actually, that's exactly how it works in Florida in cases of claimed self defense. How the fark do you not know that by now?
 
2012-04-11 05:30:34 PM  

indylaw: cig-mkr: If Zimmerman turns himself in, where would he get a fair trial anywhere in the U.S. ?

You'd be surprised by how many people simply don't follow the news. They could probably try this in another Florida County in the panhandle and they'd find 12 jurors who have never heard of this case.


QTF
I could walk a 3 block radius and easily find that many..don't watch the news or only watch the local, don't have the internet and there hasn't been anything in the local paper at all.
 
2012-04-11 05:30:36 PM  

Muta: redmid17: what exactly can the DA do?

Send him to trial for killing an unarmed child. He admits to killing. If Zimmerman claims he was attacked then the burden is on him to prove he was attacked. The phrase, "the burden of proof rests on who asserts, not on who denies", is the basis of our legal system. The prosecutor is only asserting that Zimmerman killed Martin so that is all they have to prove. Zimmerman has to prove he was defending himself and he wasn't the aggressor.


In almost every state, self-defense does not shift the burden onto the defendant. Once it has been raised, and evidence entered which might support it, the judge has to instruct the jury that the state must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the crime was committed and that the defendant did not act in self defense.
 
2012-04-11 05:30:56 PM  

vegasj: Mrtraveler01: //You're not even trying to hide it anymore are you?

Hide what? I'm a realist.

Karma Curmudgeon: You sound oppressed.

I am, I tested the highest in my class for a government job but since we have AA they picked the guy who tested below me only because he was black... is that better?


White people are easily the most persecuted race in America today.

/rolls eyes
 
2012-04-11 05:31:04 PM  

Confabulat: It must be a real joy for all the people who were too scared to say what they really have thought all these years to just let loose.

Like shooting a kid carrying Skittles. Damn must feel good to let that racist flag fly.


It was a mercy killing.
www.adweek.com
 
2012-04-11 05:31:14 PM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: redmid17: If he claims SYG and justifiable self-defense, then it might not even get to trial.

It will go to trial. At this point, we as a nation can't afford for it not to. Even if that means we have to bend the rules a little to take a man to trial without evidence.


I only meant that a judge has the opportunity to dismiss the case before jury trial. You are right in that it will probably go to trial.
 
2012-04-11 05:31:24 PM  
I'm curious what sort of "government job" hires on basis of "highest test in the class" but couldn't because of the black guy due to "AA" anyway.

That would be a fun tale to hear.
 
2012-04-11 05:31:45 PM  
This whole thing just seriously pissed me off personally.
Link (new window)

The New Black Panthers Chief-of-Staff decided to go off during an interview about this case. She said a bunch of not nice things about white people. The woman says she's sorry, now. Oh really? One of the slurs was "pink people". I am a "pink people". I am now a pissed off "pink people".

I am a "pink people" because of my Scottish ancestry. I have red hair, green eyes and yes, pink skin. I am very pale, but with pink tinged skin. I have lots of freckles with my pink skin. Not white skin, pink skin. Everyone on the Scottish side of my family are pink people as well. The other Scottish people I have met have been pink people too.

So now the New Black Panthers have decided to piss off Scottish pink people. Nice job. Not even the Vikings or the Romans wanted to f*ck with the Scottish pink people. I'm pink and I'm proud!

Pink people? Really?
 
2012-04-11 05:32:04 PM  

fracas: What's the least dignified way this could end? Because that's what I'm betting on.


Jury nullification because of pre-trial publicity and calls for mob justice?

He could team up with O.J. Simpson as a P.I. duo. I can smell the ratings already!
 
2012-04-11 05:32:13 PM  

Rent Party: Carth: Warlordtrooper: SharkTrager: Rent Party: Is it reasonable to conclude that Zimmerman's intent, after taking all of those actions, was to *not* confront Martin? Particularly when supported by the witnesses testimony who was on the phone when the fight actually started?

"Confronting" isn't illegal, and it is not starting a fight.

The guy is an asshole, but that's not illegal.

confronting may not be illegal but it still means you provoked the incident. Which negates your right to argue self defense.

Wouldn't that depend if, as he claims, he had disengaged and was walking back to the car when Martin assaulted him?

It's a good thing Martin was on the phone with his girlfriend when the confrontation occurred, no? That means we have someone else's testimony to add to the mix that can help corroborate the story the evidence tells.


It is a great thing. I haven't been following much about the case outside the fark threads. I'd just rather he go to trail and let a jury decide his guilt than jump on the condemn or defend Zimmerman bandwagon.
 
2012-04-11 05:32:29 PM  
These threads are great for my favorites list.
 
2012-04-11 05:33:03 PM  

indylaw: cig-mkr: If Zimmerman turns himself in, where would he get a fair trial anywhere in the U.S. ?

You'd be surprised by how many people simply don't follow the news. They could probably try this in another Florida County in the panhandle and they'd find 12 jurors who have never heard of this case.


That's just what I would want, 12 jurors who don't listen to, watch, or read the news.
Come to think of it, I damn sure wouldn't want to be on that jury.
 
2012-04-11 05:33:05 PM  

Hobodeluxe: actually the statute says if you fear for your life you can use it.


And George apparently had reason to fear for his.
Bashing head into ground > Following.
 
2012-04-11 05:33:14 PM  

david_gaithersburg: Really?


A long time ago in a Florida far, far away...

It is a period of racial war. Liberebel spaceships, striking from a hidden base, have won their first victory against the evil White Republican Empire. During the battle, Liberebel spies managed to steal secret plans to the Empire's ultimate weapon, the Derp Star, an armored political station with enough herp to destroy an entire planet.

/srsly
 
2012-04-11 05:33:20 PM  

themeaningoflifeisnot: Rent Party: "Confronting" isn't illegal, and it is not starting a fight.


Certainly it is. If he in any way attempted to impede Martin's progress, it's not confronting, it's *kidnapping.*

That's pure comedy gold right there.


(1)(a)The term "kidnapping" means forcibly, secretly, or by threat confining, abducting, or imprisoning another person against her or his will and without lawful authority, with intent to:
1.Hold for ransom or reward or as a shield or hostage.
2.Commit or facilitate commission of any felony.
3.Inflict bodily harm upon or to terrorize the victim or another person.
4.Interfere with the performance of any governmental or political function.

By impeding Martin, Zimmerman forcibly confined him. He did so with the intent to terrorize or inflict bodily harm on him. We know this because Martin is dead. We may also argue that by playing cop, he interfered with the performance of a government function; that being the cops.
 
2012-04-11 05:33:48 PM  

Confabulat: I'm curious what sort of "government job" hires on basis of "highest test in the class" but couldn't because of the black guy due to "AA" anyway.

That would be a fun tale to hear.


Not what you're looking for but we do something like that in Canada. Government jobs are hired based on an exam but visible minorities get a few extra points.
 
2012-04-11 05:34:12 PM  

9beers: So lets assume Zimmerman started it, right? Yeah, the law doesn't work like that.


But sure is hell the way you work. You do not know who stated the fight. But that has not stopped you from saying the Martin was a violent thug that violently attacked Zimmerman.
 
2012-04-11 05:34:17 PM  

GGracie: This whole thing just seriously pissed me off personally.
Link (new window)

The New Black Panthers Chief-of-Staff decided to go off during an interview about this case. She said a bunch of not nice things about white people. The woman says she's sorry, now. Oh really? One of the slurs was "pink people". I am a "pink people". I am now a pissed off "pink people".

I am a "pink people" because of my Scottish ancestry. I have red hair, green eyes and yes, pink skin. I am very pale, but with pink tinged skin. I have lots of freckles with my pink skin. Not white skin, pink skin. Everyone on the Scottish side of my family are pink people as well. The other Scottish people I have met have been pink people too.

So now the New Black Panthers have decided to piss off Scottish pink people. Nice job. Not even the Vikings or the Romans wanted to f*ck with the Scottish pink people. I'm pink and I'm proud!

Pink people? Really?


Pink people? That's retarded. Everyone knows our veins make us slightly green-blue. I'm only pink when I step out into the sun for more than ten minutes without sunscreen.
 
2012-04-11 05:34:18 PM  

RosettaStone: What about Trayvon Martin's right to stand his ground and defend himself when being stalked and menaced by a large much shorter, crazy white man?


FTFY.
 
2012-04-11 05:34:19 PM  

Confabulat: Wow, so it's finally cool to be a blatant racist in your circles now, huh. Well not here, scumbag. You want an ass-sucking, keep that race-baiting up.


Whoa there sugar tits... sorry your opinion is that I'm race baiting... but what the hell has our media been doing with this whole martin/zimmerman story?

answer please, and keep your panties from wadding... it is known what their agenda is (new window).

 
2012-04-11 05:34:48 PM  

Carth: Government jobs are hired based on an exam but visible minorities get a few extra points.


YEAH SOCIALISTS
 
2012-04-11 05:34:53 PM  
Zimmerman is in custody somewhere.
 
2012-04-11 05:36:02 PM  
The interesting thing about this whole case is it really shows black people what their social status is amongst racists. Racists rate blacks as less than Jews and Hispanics. That's gotta suck.
 
2012-04-11 05:36:13 PM  
 
2012-04-11 05:36:18 PM  

Confabulat: Carth: Government jobs are hired based on an exam but visible minorities get a few extra points.

YEAH SOCIALISTS


I don't have a problem with giving visible minorities a preference. Too much of the public sector is old white guys. Now, forced bilingualism that one pisses me off.
 
2012-04-11 05:36:19 PM  

cig-mkr: indylaw: cig-mkr: If Zimmerman turns himself in, where would he get a fair trial anywhere in the U.S. ?

You'd be surprised by how many people simply don't follow the news. They could probably try this in another Florida County in the panhandle and they'd find 12 jurors who have never heard of this case.

That's just what I would want, 12 jurors who don't listen to, watch, or read the news.
Come to think of it, I damn sure wouldn't want to be on that jury.


If I were Zimmerman, I'm not sure I'd want a jury at all. This is going to turn on some technical points of self-defense law, and if Zimmerman is to escape liability he needs a judge, who is theoretically more likely to apply the law and not rely on the hard facts of this case (dead black kid, nutjob with a history of violent crime, etc.)
 
2012-04-11 05:36:27 PM  

vegasj: what the hell has our media been doing with this whole martin/zimmerman story?


I get all my news off Fark. What has the media been doing?

So what was that government job you failed to get due to the black guy in your "class?"

Do you still have a "class?"
 
2012-04-11 05:36:35 PM  

Rent Party: By impeding Martin, Zimmerman forcibly confined him.


LOL what? Martin was never stopped from continuing on his way. He chose to remain in the area and initiate a confrontation with another person. He was less than 200 feet from home when he attacked Zimmerman and has a clear path he could have taken to avoid the conflict had he chose to.
 
2012-04-11 05:36:39 PM  

vegasj: Karma Curmudgeon: You sound oppressed.

I am, I tested the highest in my class for a government job but since we have AA they picked the guy who tested below me only because he was black... is that better?


Tested the highest in your class for a job with AA? Was the test a breathalyzer, by any chance? You know those are like golf: the lower score is better.
 
2012-04-11 05:36:43 PM  
According to AP, Zimmerman in custody, to be charged with 2nd degree murder
 
2012-04-11 05:36:53 PM  

Carth: Confabulat: I'm curious what sort of "government job" hires on basis of "highest test in the class" but couldn't because of the black guy due to "AA" anyway.

That would be a fun tale to hear.

Not what you're looking for but we do something like that in Canada. Government jobs are hired based on an exam but visible minorities get a few extra points.


Invisible minorities not only get extra points, they get a bonus if they enter the Canadian Security Intelligence Service.
 
2012-04-11 05:37:03 PM  

Rent Party: The prosecution is going to absolutely make that case, because Zimmerman's story doesn't add up with the evidence of Zimmerman's wounds.


Call the NFL Commissioner to testify. He knows all about brain trauma without wounds.

I've hit my head on the concrete and had no flesh wounds.

Police reported injuries.
Being there > shiatty video.
 
2012-04-11 05:37:13 PM  

s2s2s2: Hobodeluxe: actually the statute says if you fear for your life you can use it.

And George apparently had reason to fear for his.
Bashing head into ground > Following.


How did he get his head bashed in? He obeyed the 911 operator and went home and jacked off to a Frasier rerun and fell asleep on the sofa.
 
2012-04-11 05:37:13 PM  

Mrtraveler01: White people are easily the most persecuted race in America today.

/rolls eyes


keep rolling your eyes. I didn't say white people were... they most likely are not. Know why? History & facts. sorry, you can roll your eyes at the facts too.

 
2012-04-11 05:37:30 PM  

symtronic: mjohnson71: Fox News' current graphic:

The original of Trayvon Martin:

Its sad that everyone keeps using that picture.... its old.

Here is one thats more current.


FTFY....a more current photo than the Fox News photo of Trayvon Martin

www.freefoto.com
 
2012-04-11 05:37:37 PM  
Thank god. Now we can at least have a trial based on evidence, rather than all the shiat that both sides of thrown to the media.

Of course it's probably too late for it to be fair.
 
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