DarnoKonrad: Aarontology: Christ, will you people quit your incessant f*cking whining about the threads?God, you sound like a bunch of teabaggers complaining about the media and how it's not reporting on the FWFW;FW;FW;FW; emails from your racist shutin relatives.The headline is vile and reeks of gratuitous racism. Sharpton doesn't have a farking thing to do with Eric Holder's job. But hey, they're both Black, amirite?
Aarontology: Christ, will you people quit your incessant f*cking whining about the threads?God, you sound like a bunch of teabaggers complaining about the media and how it's not reporting on the FWFW;FW;FW;FW; emails from your racist shutin relatives.
thomps: i feel like it's worth pointing out that this is a much trollier headline than either free republic's or fox nation's headline for this story.
The Southern Dandy: First of all, hate crime laws are bullshiat because they make thoughts illegal.
dittybopper: 3. It wasn't his neighborhood. It wasn't even his father's neighborhood. It was the neighborhood of the father's girlfriend.
jafiwam: ongbok: It is funny how if a black person stands up and complains about an injustice they they feel has been done against themselves or other black people they are considered race baiters and racist by some white people. It is like they fully expect for black people to sit down, shut their mouths and take anything that people want to do to them.Pfft. When they complain about ACTUAL injustice they have a point. They had a point with the Rodney King thing.They don't have a point with this.This, is the equivalent to "you didn't let me steal from your store, that's racist!" or "there's no more toilet paper, white man conspiracy!" And the stupid part is, everybody is so afraid of it they give in to that shiate.Once the word 'racist' is slung around so many times it's directed at all white people regularly every day, they stop caring if they get called it because today is no different than yesterday. It's just noise. Even if some real event comes along, nobody cares anymore. I think we are very near this point already. When the average white person can expect the average black person to call him a racist on a daily basis it loses any meaning, and certainly isn't constructive criticism that needs any bother to fix.I expect black people to act like rational human beings. That's it. Whether they do that or not is up to them.
Silly Jesus: Innocent until proven guilty. You are putting the burden on the wrong person.
relcec: sprawl15's troll alt: FTA: Charles Ogletree, a Harvard law professor, said at a panel following Holder's speech that Trayvon Martin is "a symbol of what's wrong" with the criminal justice system."I want to see the first black man who uses the 'stand your ground' defense and see if it works. Or the first white victim of the 'stand your ground' by a black defendant and see if it works," Ogletree said.Liberal Harvard law professors are calling for black people to 'go kill whitey', and somehow it's the GOP that's being racist?it's got nothing to do with stand your ground as far as teh defense is concerned.if you believe the victims family zimmerman was the agressor and had no reasonable fear of martin. if you believe what zimmerman says he was pinned to the ground and couldn't retreat even if doing so was reassonable considering the other circumstances.I really don't see how stand your ground can possibly be relevant, other than liberals are trying to exploit a tragedy to change what they see as an unreasonable law. eventhough stand your ground is what let's martin stop running for his life and punch zimmerman in the face, as everyone should have the right to, if that is in fact what happened.
LasersHurt: It seems pretty clear to me that there's room for deeper analysis in this case. It's better that it goes to trial and has SOME sort of outcome.
hdhale: culebra: hdhale: Of course the prosecutor will go for the max.She already decided against this when she refused to send the case to a grand jury. It will be second degree murder at most, but I believe it will be manslaughter. We'll see what she charges him with soon enough.She ruled nothing out from everything I've read so far, only decided not to go to the grand jury with a case (and there any number of reasons why she would have done that), but indeed we'll find out soon enough.
lennavan: LasersHurt: lennavan: just_intonation: Just read on MSNBC that Zimmerman is now being charged with murder. So, letting the system do its job sometimes works.Unless of course, there's no reason to charge him with murder whatsoever rather than stupid public outrage. Then the system is completely failing us.I would hardly say there's "no reason." The kid was killed, and given what little we know so far there is some grey area as to whether or not this falls under Stand your Ground. Ergo, a trial seems like exactly the thing to have to suss out guilt or innocence.I'm not privy to the facts. I've only read what's in the news and a lot of it is bullshiat. My personal opinion and poutrage is he should be charged with murder for what he did. But I'm always blissfully and most likely ignorantly hopeful that prosecutors have a bit higher standard than me.I think he deserves a murder charge. If I was a prosecutor, based on the evidence I've read and the law I've interpreted, I'd never bring this to a court. If I was on a jury, I'd easily go not guilty. My best guess - this guy is only being charged to quiet the public outrage. That's probably a pretty shiatty reason to put a guy through the expense and pressures of a trial.
omeganuepsilon: Really it's a trap, a self defense mechanism for their (limited)psyche. These people are uncomfortable with this case, can't imagine any case where you wouldn't want the lone survivor to(in their words) "get away", because they've already assumed guilt. Criminal gets put in jail, wraps it up in a nice and neat bow for them.
topcon: LasersHurt: topcon: LasersHurt: Silly Jesus: Fact: You can shoot and kill someone without it being criminal.You know, I'm not really happy about that.This case aside: You is crazy. There are plenty of legitimate reasons to shoot someone.I disagree. I dislike the idea of killing people as a means to any end. You'll note that everything you can legally kill someone for is ALREADY illegal, those people are criminals. That doesn't mean we should be cool with just killing people, especially in these types of situations.I know sometimes, rarely, it's "necessary." I still think it's wrong. I think if you kill someone, you need to feel like shiat about it, and you need to have your guns held until you pass some sort of evaluation. Shooting someone should be the VERY LAST thing anyone ever thinks of to solve a situation.I just don't like the idea of killing people. If that makes me crazy, so be it.Again, completely unrelated to this Trayvon case:It doesn't make you crazy, you just like to imagine you're living in a sanitized rainbow world. Whether you like it or not, there are plenty of legitimate reasons to kill people, and this is recognized (and frequently done) pretty much everywhere in the world.This isn't ever going to change. Wake up and join reality. Crazy mentally ill people who want to kill you for money, or rape you, or kidnap your kids will always exist, and it'll always be okay to kill them if it will prevent said things from happening.Repeat it after me:This isn't ever going to change.Some of you are seriously disconnected.
srhp29: ADX: Bottom line, there are far too many questions and far too many facts in dispute concerning this case; Zimmerman needs to be arrested, charged, tried, and a jury allowed to determine his guilt or innocence.And if found not gulity, you will be good with it and feel justice was served, right?I know that is how Americans felt with another recent case in Florida. They were just glad to finally have a conclusion to the Casey Anthony case.There is really no good end to this that will quiet the noise except a guilty conviction, because those that feel he may not be guilty aren't going to march on Washington if he is found guilty.
Silly Jesus: LasersHurt: srhp29: LasersHurt: srhp29: LasersHurt: Silly Jesus:Maybe some people just want to see a real investigation whenever an unarmed person is killed by an armed person with no (good) witnesses?How do we know there are no good witnesses? Because the media told us so? They also told us Zimmerman siad "coons". we will know soon enough.Because every piece of information released has indicated this?Really? I have read that there was an eye witness that says that Treyvon was on top of Zimmerman beating him. Also, just because the information is not released doesn't mean it does not exist. It might turn out that there is no "good" witness, but you nor I have anyway of knowing that at this point in time.There was one witness who saw them fighting for a few seconds. He did not see the start of the fight, or the rest of it. He is not a "good" witness for that reason. If you have some reason to believe there's a better witness that has more information, please share, but I suspect you don't. Silly Jesus: Do they usually put their hoodies on sale and write a post about them during the summer?MOST people who sell hoodies put them on sale when the weather gets warmer, yes. P.S. March/April is not summer.If there is no witness and Zimmerman states that he didn't start it and Martin is dead then where do you propose getting the evidence to charge him and go to trial? Sometimes the circumstances just suck and we may never be sure what happened, but Zimmerman, like it or not, has enough going for his claim of self defense that he isn't going to be charged with anything.
The Homer Tax: omeganuepsilon: How should it be re-written?What could be more fair?I'm not a lawyer, but from what I can gather about this, the way the law is written in several states, even similar "stand your ground" laws it better avoids situations like this. The way the Florida Law is written, from what I can gather, seems especially poor.I think that if you're following someone around, especially someone who isn't actually committing any crimes, and then you initiate a confrontation with them, you forfeit your claims to "self defense." If you were worried about your safety, you should have gone home (as encouraged by the 911 dispatcher you already called to report the suspicious person).
LasersHurt: topcon: LasersHurt: Silly Jesus: Fact: You can shoot and kill someone without it being criminal.You know, I'm not really happy about that.This case aside: You is crazy. There are plenty of legitimate reasons to shoot someone.I disagree. I dislike the idea of killing people as a means to any end. You'll note that everything you can legally kill someone for is ALREADY illegal, those people are criminals. That doesn't mean we should be cool with just killing people, especially in these types of situations.I know sometimes, rarely, it's "necessary." I still think it's wrong. I think if you kill someone, you need to feel like shiat about it, and you need to have your guns held until you pass some sort of evaluation. Shooting someone should be the VERY LAST thing anyone ever thinks of to solve a situation.I just don't like the idea of killing people. If that makes me crazy, so be it.
LasersHurt: Silly Jesus: Fact: You can shoot and kill someone without it being criminal.You know, I'm not really happy about that.
The Homer Tax: I don't understand why Martin had a duty to flee, but Zimmerman didn't?
Car_Ramrod: jafiwam: The Homer Tax: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: How do we know the gf is being truthful? As far as I can tell, its her word against Zinmermang.Has she changed her story at all, like he did?I think if an armed stranger is following me around the neighborhood at night and exits his car to approach me, I have a reasonable fear that my life is in danger. Do you not agree with this statement?I'm really trying to picture a situation here where Zimmerman is not the agressor. He even states on the 911 call that Martin is fleeing from him, and told that continuing to pursue him "wouldn't be necessary."Sigh.There is no indication that Martin knew Zimmerman was armed until after the struggle occurred. Definitely not until they spoke. Otherwise Martin would have mentioned a GUN to his GF don't you think? Or better yet, just run?You are equating "following someone" as "aggressor". IF that is true, I aggressed about 15 people on the way to work, one of which was a police officer!!! OMG!If you chased someone that was running away from you on your way to work this morning, you're pretty messed up.
BigBooper: patrick767: Thanks for a shiatty, unfunny headline, Fark trollministrators.Degenz: DarnoKonrad: Tag is for the headline.Done in six.They've run out of all the good Martin/Zimmerman headlines, so they have to go to the backups. It's what happens when Fark has more that twenty threads on a single issue.
The Homer Tax: Mike Chewbacca: So far, and as far as I know, only the girlfriend who heard the two meet up and exchange words. She said she heard a scuffle start, and the phone headset seems to have been knocked off Trayvon's head, but she couldn't tell who started it.culebra: Apparently not. The girlfriend is the closest thing I've heard of.Then why do people keep stating otherwise?srhp29: How do we know there are no good witnesses?Would you say "we don't know of any good witnesses to the actual confrontation" is an accurate statement? Because from what I can gather it seems like there are a lot of people in this thread who are acting like there are a bunch of credible witnesses who actually saw the confrontation.
Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: This. I think its a good law except for the initial aggressor clause. That's why to me, if Zimmermang is shown to have started the physical attack, I hope he's charged, regardless of whether or not Martin got the upper hand. Based on what we know so far, it doesn't look like that's what happened though.
Silly Jesus: So he's guilty of doing something that isn't criminal? (self-defense)
LasersHurt: Silly Jesus:Maybe some people just want to see a real investigation whenever an unarmed person is killed by an armed person with no (good) witnesses?
karnal: ongbokham-operator: I'm going to put a bounty on Al Sharpton's head like the blacks did on George. I woud be in prison within hours. If the Blacks want to create their own laws two can play that game. I would not be in Sanford on the 23rd if I was a Black Panther.The "blacks" didn't do anything. A small group of black people said something stupid. And no you wouldn't be in jail in hours. White supremacist groups have been calling for Sharpton's head for years and nobody has been arrested.BS - show me the clip where someone called for Sharpton's head. I bet you can't. The Black Panthers were the one that issued the bounty - not a small group by any means. They are inciting a riot - plain and simple.
Azlefty: jafiwam: The aggressor was Trayvon. He threw the first blowActually due to Zimmy chasing him it can be reasonably argued that Zimmerman had actually committed assault and that Martin was defending himself when he struck his pursuer. First blow means nothing , you come at me in a manner that makes me feel apprehensive or fearful of you harming me then any reasonable action I take is self defense -such as cleaning your clock to remove your threat. In other words due to Zimmerman's actions Martin was Standing his ground.Who swung first means a lot less than what lead up to the swing
just_intonation: No evidence of what? The fact that blacks are making this case about race? My narrative is that Zimmerman is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, not the court of public opinion, and that the cri ...
jafiwam: The aggressor was Trayvon. He threw the first blow.
jafiwam: I expect black people to act like rational human beings. That's it. Whether they do that or not is up to them.
dittybopper: LasersHurt: dittybopper: LasersHurt: There has been an ongoing "black people are to blame for this because they are race baiting and they're the real racists anyway" thing that has been really gross lately.Al Sharpton is involved. You can assume that race baiting is happening based solely upon that fact.Or is it race baiting to claim it's race baiting just because Sharpton's involved? Reverse-race-baiting as a method of hurting the credibility of the event.You are seriously arguing that Sharpton has credibility on this issue? Does the name Tawana Brawley ring any bells? How about Crystal Mangum?
mycatisposter: LasersHurt: DozeNutz: Aarontology: Why are the feds getting involved?Its election year, and gotta race bait to divide and conquer.Yes, that's the ONLY reason that a high-profile case might get reviewed. You idiot.Considering the lack of evidence against Zimmerman, election year politics is a fair conclusion.
culebra: Imagine if the local police had actually done their jobs properly. None of this would be an issue.
ChuDogg: Car_Ramrod: I read about this case weeks before Sharpton was involved and I was shocked that a man could just shoot someone, claim it was self defense on the spot, and not even get put to trial. If you think Sharpton is the reason people are interested in this case, you are horribly mistaken.I'm amazed people claim to know what happened and can determine guilt when the investigstion is sealed from the public.
Silly Jesus: Evidence is needed for a trial. Things that seem like crimes don't go to trial all the time due to a lack of evidence. There also needs to be evidence for a charge. There was evidently no, or inadequate, evidence that this was not a case of self-defense, therefore no crime and no charge and no trial. Every accusation doesn't get resolved with a trial. There are several steps in place to determine the legitimacy of a claim or determine if a crime was actually committed BEFORE a trial even enters into the picture.
LasersHurt: There has been an ongoing "black people are to blame for this because they are race baiting and they're the real racists anyway" thing that has been really gross lately.
topcon: LasersHurt: srhp29: http://www.katu.com/news/local/Police-narrowing-investigation-on-braz e n-teen-mob-146915185.html"Any one of these could be my child"-Barack ObamaI voted for him but he really shoudl stay out of this, as should the Federal government. The States were meant to govern themselves. The Feds are out of control and need to be collared.What does that link have to do with anything? And Obama HAS stayed out of this. He made one sympathetic comment and moved on.And he probably regretted the "Trayvon could be my son" remark as it was a few days before we found out he was kicked out of school multiple times, talks about drugs on Twitter, and refers to himself as "NO_LIMIT_N&%$!"I'm sure it made more sense during that first week or two we only saw pictures of him as a twelve year old holding a baby, instead of the one with his gold grill in.
srhp29: Then you pull out the "What about ANY TIME EVER that a crime happened to a white person? HUH? DOUBLE STANDARDS!" Which, too, is incredibly ignorant and stupid.So you think that if the kid was white, this would be in the news like it is then? I will have to agree to disagree, and I am not a racist. I have no issue with anyone of any other race. I am just tired of the media driving a racial divide in this country with its careless, dishonest methods of reporting.
Tatsuma: AG Eric Holder?Is that the same AG Eric Holder who said there was 'no need for ID voting laws' then a video surfaced of a white young man pretending to be him and voting in his place during the primaries?
Overfiend: DarnoKonrad: Aarontology: Christ, will you people quit your incessant f*cking whining about the threads?God, you sound like a bunch of teabaggers complaining about the media and how it's not reporting on the FWFW;FW;FW;FW; emails from your racist shutin relatives.The headline is vile and reeks of gratuitous racism. Sharpton doesn't have a farking thing to do with Eric Holder's job. But hey, they're both Black, amirite?Who does Mr. Holder work for (besides "us")? Sharpton, like Tea party zealots on the other side, can push politicans into dealing with issues they maybe would not get into.Is it really that hard to make that connection?Not everything is racist, even if you think it.
topcon: "How can our nation risk losing so many of tomorrows leaders, teachers, artists, scientists, attorneys and pastors? The answer, of course, is that we cant."Oh, man. Trayvon could have been mere years away from curing cancer. Even discounting the fact he couldn't spell and spent a lot of time out of school, maybe he was secretly some microbiological genius.Or not.
MasterChief-M4: Hopefully they investigate this with the same level of professionalism they put into the Black Panthers voter intimidation.Oh wait...
AdamK: i still find the "racism" claims curious because objectively speaking it seems like both people involved were the types that either provoke violence or initiate violenceto me at the end of the day this case is no more nationally important than the other thousand shooting deaths that seem to happen everyday, but FOR JUSTICE!
Silly Jesus: "If we find evidence of a potential federal criminal civil rights crime, we will take appropriate action," said the attorney general.I guess this doesn't apply to voter intimidation.Oh, what's that you say?, Zimmerman is "white?" Gotcha.
SlothB77: I said it at the end of the other thread, but I'll say it again here.Martin/ Zimmerman-related race riots now = Romney win in November. No need to alienate the voters you don't have locked up to kowtow to the voters you already do have locked up.
Cyberluddite: Seriously, admins? You're greening shiatty troll headlines like this now?Hey, anybody else remember a long time ago when you had to try be both funny and original to expect to get a greenlight on Fark? Now I guess you just need to steal Freeper troll headlines and you're in.
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