jafiwam: The Homer Tax: jafiwam: There is no indication that Martin knew Zimmerman was armed until after the struggle occurred. Definitely not until they spoke. Otherwise Martin would have mentioned a GUN to his GF don't you think? Or better yet, just run?

I don't understand why Martin had a duty to flee, but Zimmerman didn't? And it seems disingenuous again statements like "there was no indication that he knew" of course there's no indication, he's dead - he can't tell his side of the story, that's the whole point.

jafiwam: You are equating "following someone" as "aggressor". IF that is true, I aggressed about 15 people on the way to work, one of which was a police officer!!! OMG!

Do you really feel you're being intellectually honest here? If you were being followed around your neighborhood at night, and then confronted by a stranger - armed or otherwise, that you wouldn't fear for your life?

I sure as heck would.

Followed != Chased.

The phone calls indicate Zimmerman lost track of Martin, after Martin ran.

Re-initiating contact and starting a fight as a proximate cause was Martin's doing.

In any case. The rumor is out there's charges pending that will be announced at 6 PM tonight (FL time). We may find out some of the information that has been not thought of, or just speculated on up to this point.

We'll see. Unless, it's a "disturbing the peace" charge or something like that there's probably something we don't know about. It could also be political pressure.

We'll get to start this whole thing again. The judge could throw it out, or it could go to trial and turn into acquittal. Which will be a bigger issue than just not charging him now as far as riots and strife goes.

Bullshiat. You don't announce a press conference to press charges.

Mike Chewbacca: You know what? I'm as white and Wonder Bread (despite being 1/4 Portuguese) but I truly believe that if Trayvon Martin had been white (or at least non-black) George Zimmerman wouldn't have thought he was suspicious.

Considering the proportion of crimes committed by black males between the ages of 20 and 40, if Trayvon Martin had been white, he wouldn't have been suspicious.

This text is now purple: Mike Chewbacca: You know what? I'm as white and Wonder Bread (despite being 1/4 Portuguese) but I truly believe that if Trayvon Martin had been white (or at least non-black) George Zimmerman wouldn't have thought he was suspicious.

Considering the proportion of crimes committed by black males between the ages of 20 and 40, if Trayvon Martin had been white, he wouldn't have been suspicious.

I'd be suspicious of a white guy named Trayvon

jehovahs witness protection: It's awesome to see the liberal FREAK OUT in here.
I wish this was my headline.
ROFLMFO

9 pages of comments.... I'll check back in a few days to see if anybody refutes it, as opposed to just derpblah nanny-nanny boo, boo.

/doubtful

LasersHurt: We can decide to stop killing eachother and make it happen, over time. To say we'll never change is insane, unless you're an ageless and omniscient being.

We'll never change. Humans will always continue to kill each other.

LasersHurt: As a species we've come lightyears in just a few hundred years.

Yeah, lightyears better at killing each other teehee.

LasersHurt: And I don't live in a fantasy rainbow world, I know where we live.

I'm pretty sure you do. Don't get me wrong, I love the world you live in, I wish that was this world but it's not.

The Homer Tax: If Zimmerman initiated the confrontation I think he should forfeit his claim to self-defense. Currently, I don't think Florida Law is written with that provision, and therefore I think it's a bad law.

Police officers initiate confrontations on a daily basis. And end up having to defend their selves from overreaction fairly often. So, legal precedence for non-forfeiture of the right to self-defense is very well established. Despite what I'm sure somebody's going to say about some kind of "exemption" for LEO's, I'm sure Zimmerman's lawyers will be able to make a good argument in that regard. I think that the trial could go either way, but was a political calculation, as it's sure to happen after the November elections. As will ther resulting riots should certain people not get their way, regardless of the evidence.

Mike Chewbacca: WAS it deadly force? If I recall correctly, George Zimmerman is still alive, with only a broken nose.

Potential does not require success. Say Martin had a gun, and non-fatally shot Zimmerman. That Zimmerman survived is not proof that the threat was not deadly.

Guilty or innocent, the country has really lost something today.

Now the judicial system is run by the sway of public opinion and the personal feelings of the President. This is just bad.

LasersHurt: topcon: This isn't ever going to change.

You're wrong. As a species we've come lightyears in just a few hundred years. We can decide to stop killing eachother and make it happen, over time. To say we'll never change is insane, unless you're an ageless and omniscient being.

And I don't live in a fantasy rainbow world, I know where we live. I also know the only way to change is to simply start doing it.

L-oh-farking-L. You think people are going to evolve into not raping, or mutilating, or killing for fun.

That is quite literally the dumbest thing I've read all day.

As long as humanity exists there will be people who subject other humans to the most vile forms of torture and violence, and some people on the receiving end will be lucky enough to have a knife, or beer bottle, or gun to stop them. Some won't.

This is biological fact. We're not going to simply be rid of people with homicidal and maniacal tendencies. This just in: Crazy people aren't going to simply "stop" killing because it's the right thing to do, they don't know right from wrong.

Are you trolling? Tell me you're trolling.

Thunderpipes: Guilty or innocent, the country has really lost something today.

Now the judicial system is run by the sway of public opinion and the personal feelings of the President. This is just bad.

or they've finally gathered enough evidence to press charges.

SpoilerAlert: If you made a drinking game were you take a drink every time someone in this thread will say racism, thug, eyewitness, Zimmermang (with the g at the end), guilt, or decided to write fan fiction about the sequence of events as they occured, you'd be deader than a black teen wearing a hoodie in a gated community.

This statement seems to fit very well with your handle.

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I want to see it from the side of the facts. If the facts are that Trayvon tried to run home, but Zimmermang caught up to him or cut him off, let those facts be known. So far I haven't seen any credible reports that that's what happened.

Didn't Zimmerman state on the 911 Call that Martin was fleeing from him?

Silly Jesus: That's not how the law works, sorry.

I'm pretty sure that's actually exactly how it works. Which part do you believe to be inaccurate?

Thunderpipes: Guilty or innocent, the country has really lost something today.

Now the judicial system is run by the sway of public opinion and the personal feelings of the President. This is just bad.

Man is murdered, justice system does nothing. People voice displeasure, justice system responds.

Explain to me why this is a bad thing... without resorting to slippery slopes.

KyDave: jehovahs witness protection: It's awesome to see the liberal FREAK OUT in here.
I wish this was my headline.
ROFLMFO

9 pages of comments.... I'll check back in a few days to see if anybody refutes it, as opposed to just derpblah nanny-nanny boo, boo.

/doubtful

So, you want someone to refute a wild claim about a motive made in a headline?

How exactly would that look? "I found audio of Eric Holder and Al Sharpton both agreeing that they are not in cahoots on this Zimmerman thing here (link)" You'd just reply "OH THEYRE JUST SAYING THAT."

The only proof that would satisfy you would be something like "actually Eric Holder died before the Zimmerman thing came up" and even then you'd probably make up some B.S. about Holder and Sharpton being in cahoots

Tell you what, how about you post any evidence or proof whatsoever to back up the headline. That's the way argumentation works. You made a wild claim and didn't back it up with anything, no one has to refute a meaningless claim.

It's clear that you're a retarded 12 year old girl. I await your proof otherwise.

/doubtful

Silly Jesus: LasersHurt: srhp29: LasersHurt: srhp29: LasersHurt: Silly Jesus:

Maybe some people just want to see a real investigation whenever an unarmed person is killed by an armed person with no (good) witnesses?

How do we know there are no good witnesses? Because the media told us so? They also told us Zimmerman siad "coons". we will know soon enough.

Because every piece of information released has indicated this?

Really? I have read that there was an eye witness that says that Treyvon was on top of Zimmerman beating him. Also, just because the information is not released doesn't mean it does not exist. It might turn out that there is no "good" witness, but you nor I have anyway of knowing that at this point in time.

There was one witness who saw them fighting for a few seconds. He did not see the start of the fight, or the rest of it. He is not a "good" witness for that reason. If you have some reason to believe there's a better witness that has more information, please share, but I suspect you don't. Silly Jesus: Do they usually put their hoodies on sale and write a post about them during the summer?

MOST people who sell hoodies put them on sale when the weather gets warmer, yes. P.S. March/April is not summer.

If there is no witness and Zimmerman states that he didn't start it and Martin is dead then where do you propose getting the evidence to charge him and go to trial? Sometimes the circumstances just suck and we may never be sure what happened, but Zimmerman, like it or not, has enough going for his claim of self defense that he isn't going to be charged with anything.



Angle of entry from the bullet that killed Martin would indicate quite a few things regarding this. As would any stippling on Martin's clothing/body. Photos of the scene would indicate a bit as well (it was raining and odds are the footprints were rather visible, which would indicate position, and help lay a framework of the "stalking vs. following" argument, or even if Martin doubled back and surprised Zimmerman). Photos of Zimmerman and Martin would also indicate the nature of the assault that they were in. One of the interesting things that caused an uproar was that Martin's hands had no scratches on them and therefore he couldn't have assaulted Zimmerman (which is not necessarily true). On the flip side, I didn't hear anything about bruising to his ribs, forearms, neck, kidneys, etc., which would indicate defensive wounds or signs that he was physically assaulted by Zimmerman prior to the shooting. That said, the same can be said for Zimmerman. Without that evidence it's impossible to do more than speculate.

That's also not including any additional evidence that might have been collected (for all we know, someone's nannycam might have captured some of it). Surprisingly, the evidence collected in a crime like this is usually the only way to truthfully understand just what happened. I just hope the Sanford PD weren't morons at the scene in collecting it.

LasersHurt: lennavan: LasersHurt: We can decide to stop killing eachother and make it happen, over time. To say we'll never change is insane, unless you're an ageless and omniscient being.

We'll never change. Humans will always continue to kill each other.

LasersHurt: As a species we've come lightyears in just a few hundred years.

Yeah, lightyears better at killing each other teehee.

LasersHurt: And I don't live in a fantasy rainbow world, I know where we live.

I'm pretty sure you do. Don't get me wrong, I love the world you live in, I wish that was this world but it's not.

Change it.

I got more important shiat to do.

jafiwam: Re-initiating contact and starting a fight as a proximate cause was Martin's doing.

According to whom? Zimmerman?

srhp29: ADX: Bottom line, there are far too many questions and far too many facts in dispute concerning this case; Zimmerman needs to be arrested, charged, tried, and a jury allowed to determine his guilt or innocence.

And if found not gulity, you will be good with it and feel justice was served, right?

I know that is how Americans felt with another recent case in Florida. They were just glad to finally have a conclusion to the Casey Anthony case.

There is really no good end to this that will quiet the noise except a guilty conviction, because those that feel he may not be guilty aren't going to march on Washington if he is found guilty.

If Zimmerman is found not guilty, then so be it. I'm not advocating for his summary execution, all I want is for him to be charged and tried because he shot and killed a teenager under highly questionable circumstances.

Aarontology: DarnoKonrad: Aarontology: Christ, will you people quit your incessant f*cking whining about the threads?

God, you sound like a bunch of teabaggers complaining about the media and how it's not reporting on the FWFW;FW;FW;FW; emails from your racist shutin relatives.

The headline is vile and reeks of gratuitous racism. Sharpton doesn't have a farking thing to do with Eric Holder's job. But hey, they're both Black, amirite?

It's not just this one thread

It's every single f*cking thread. You can't click on anything without it being half the people biatching and moaning and complaining about it. You want them to stop? Stop clicking on them and giving them page and adviews. You keep falling for trolling and then act surprised when it keeps happening.

Well, almost two years ago now, I cancelled my TotalFark account after 6 years. And now I view the site with NoScript, and I use m.fark.com. Does that solve the problem correctly?

And frankly, I was thinking about re-upping my TF and saying "heck with it". But with headlines like this that are so farking egregiously stupid, Drew can, as always, go fark himself.

ChuDogg: jafiwam: The Homer Tax: jafiwam: There is no indication that Martin knew Zimmerman was armed until after the struggle occurred. Definitely not until they spoke. Otherwise Martin would have mentioned a GUN to his GF don't you think? Or better yet, just run?

I don't understand why Martin had a duty to flee, but Zimmerman didn't? And it seems disingenuous again statements like "there was no indication that he knew" of course there's no indication, he's dead - he can't tell his side of the story, that's the whole point.

jafiwam: You are equating "following someone" as "aggressor". IF that is true, I aggressed about 15 people on the way to work, one of which was a police officer!!! OMG!

Do you really feel you're being intellectually honest here? If you were being followed around your neighborhood at night, and then confronted by a stranger - armed or otherwise, that you wouldn't fear for your life?

I sure as heck would.

Followed != Chased.

The phone calls indicate Zimmerman lost track of Martin, after Martin ran.

Re-initiating contact and starting a fight as a proximate cause was Martin's doing.

In any case. The rumor is out there's charges pending that will be announced at 6 PM tonight (FL time). We may find out some of the information that has been not thought of, or just speculated on up to this point.

We'll see. Unless, it's a "disturbing the peace" charge or something like that there's probably something we don't know about. It could also be political pressure.

We'll get to start this whole thing again. The judge could throw it out, or it could go to trial and turn into acquittal. Which will be a bigger issue than just not charging him now as far as riots and strife goes.

Bullshiat. You don't announce a press conference to press charges.

I have no idea if this press conference is real, what they'll say, or if this is an attempt to out the person who is leaking stuff to the press, or if the leak heard it wrong and it's "about pressing charges" meaning they are going to say none are coming.

What I have seen in the evidence of this case makes me think there might be something we haven't seen yet if there are charges coming. That will be offset by finding out how much bullshiat was spilled too, because we'll get to see the photos of the injuries, know from what angle the shot was fired (indicating for sure, where Martin was when he was shot in relation to Zimmerman) and a bunch of other stuff.

I gotta get my errands done before the SHTF in case it's an announcement of no charges. Don't really want to be out and about tonight.

BBL

Mike Chewbacca: just_intonation: Mike Chewbacca: ongbok: karnal: ongbok

ham-operator: I'm going to put a bounty on Al Sharpton's head like the blacks did on George. I woud be in prison within hours. If the Blacks want to create their own laws two can play that game. I would not be in Sanford on the 23rd if I was a Black Panther.

The "blacks" didn't do anything. A small group of black people said something stupid. And no you wouldn't be in jail in hours. White supremacist groups have been calling for Sharpton's head for years and nobody has been arrested.

BS - show me the clip where someone called for Sharpton's head. I bet you can't. The Black Panthers were the one that issued the bounty - not a small group by any means. They are inciting a riot - plain and simple.

In the 80's there were many times that white supremacist called for Sharpton's head. And if you think that black people listen to the New Black Panther party you are an idiot. That would be like me saying that all white people take their marching orders from the Klan. Hell most black people didn't even know that the New Black Panther party existed until they popped up here.

Another thing I have to ask you is why are people like you praying for riots to break out. In every thread on this subject you all start making racist post and bringing up race riots like you are really hopping they break out.

Hey now, everyone knows that white supremacist groups are just civil rights groups for whites. Just ask Fox (new window).

Sure, because there's not a National Association for the Advancement of White People.

/I'm not racist. I hate everyone equally.

Are you REALLY comparing these guys to the NAACP?

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/Saying that white people need more power in American politics is like saying the 0.1% need more money.

Not the NAACP. Maybe the Black Panthers, though. That was meant to be illustrative, not a direct comparison, but you took it as such.

And this shouldn't be about politics at all. What it should be about is enforcement of existing laws. The fact is that no one -- no one -- can say with any certainty what happened except Zimmerman, and he does not have to make any statements (which is protected by law). The authorities declined to press charges, and there may be valid reasons for that. There are 'witness statements' that aren't really witness statements. There are conflicting stories about the 'evidence'. And all of that has led to a largely racially-polarized group to call for a 'million-hoodie march' and make terroristic threats and suggest that justice isn't being served because the 'victim' is black.

The US AG chose to make his statements not in a neutral press conference, but in an environment that most people would agree was one that was racial in nature. That, in my opinion, was making this political where it should not have been. Now is the time for everyone to let the laws be enforced as appropriate. The State of Florida should be the last word here, not the US AG's office. However, if it can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt that the authorities chose not to charge George because Trayvon was black, then that's a different matter altogether.

relcec: Fart_Machine: relcec: would you even be in here if this was an asian kid in a hoodie shot by a black father that was worried about his neighborhood?

Would the black father not have been arrested by police? I doubt that.

oh, so that's why it is ok for you people to not a give a single f*ck when some people die, but really care a lot when others do.
that makes all your bullshiat, including your desire to have the governemnt of the united states treat some people better, some worse, completely based on the color of their skin and how deserving you thinnk that race might be ALL F*CKING BETTER.

btw, would you also expect a mexican father not to be arrested? you're second favorite minority?
you'd doubt that too, no doubt.
No you wouldn't, you'd just deny he was even mexican at all and claim he was really white. you people are literally disgusting.

Holy straw man Batman! Do you always get so butthurt over arguments that were never made?

He didn't have to follow the boy. He was specifically told NOT to follow the boy. Anything after that is on Zimmerman. Much of what happened prior to that is on Zimmerman, too.

Stick up for the senseless death of a teenager by a panicked neighborhood watch hopped up on adrenaline if you want to and pretend like there was no crime committed here.

topcon: LasersHurt: topcon: LasersHurt: Silly Jesus: Fact: You can shoot and kill someone without it being criminal.

You know, I'm not really happy about that.

This case aside: You is crazy. There are plenty of legitimate reasons to shoot someone.

I disagree. I dislike the idea of killing people as a means to any end. You'll note that everything you can legally kill someone for is ALREADY illegal, those people are criminals. That doesn't mean we should be cool with just killing people, especially in these types of situations.

I know sometimes, rarely, it's "necessary." I still think it's wrong. I think if you kill someone, you need to feel like shiat about it, and you need to have your guns held until you pass some sort of evaluation. Shooting someone should be the VERY LAST thing anyone ever thinks of to solve a situation.

I just don't like the idea of killing people. If that makes me crazy, so be it.

Again, completely unrelated to this Trayvon case:

It doesn't make you crazy, you just like to imagine you're living in a sanitized rainbow world. Whether you like it or not, there are plenty of legitimate reasons to kill people, and this is recognized (and frequently done) pretty much everywhere in the world.

This isn't ever going to change. Wake up and join reality. Crazy mentally ill people who want to kill you for money, or rape you, or kidnap your kids will always exist, and it'll always be okay to kill them if it will prevent said things from happening.

Repeat it after me:

This isn't ever going to change.

Some of you are seriously disconnected.

The real issue here is alot of people don't believe in self defense. They don't believe in the personal right to have guns or carry them on the way to the store. If that is their belief than anything else about this case is simply irrelevent. You can't prove them wrong.

Rather than simply admit that and argue from that standpoint they take up the flag of treyvon martin with the pretense that they just want to see the lae enforced. But they really don't care about the law or the facts of the case, which is why they are ignored ao willingly. You can correct them on the facts they'll be back in the next thread posting the same incorrect statements. They don't care, it's only a smokescreen for what they really desire: somebody who carries a gun and uses it for any reason should go to jail. Arguing over who attacked who or the grounds for self defense is inconsequential.

It's why we see these broad sweeping emotional statements: a armed man chased amd shot an unarmed child. Do we care if it self defense? No we do not.

I believe I was the first on the entire internet to recreate the events with all the available evidence to show how it was impossible for Zimmerman to chase Martin after the phone call. Do they care? No, they are in this thread droves posting that, against all evidence, Zimmerman chased and confronted Martin as axiomatic because the truth doesn't matter to them.

They will use this case to argue behind because their real motivation of banning the ownership and use of firearms in America is taken about as seriously as the Nazis posted above are.

The Homer Tax: jafiwam: Re-initiating contact and starting a fight as a proximate cause was Martin's doing.

According to whom? Zimmerman?

The 911 phone calls. You should listen. Or read the transcripts if you haven't.

I thought you had. Now that I know you haven't, that's double retard on you buster.

Silly Jesus

Car_Ramrod: LasersHurt: Silly Jesus: Fact: You can shoot and kill someone without it being criminal.

You know, I'm not really happy about that.

No, I understand the self-defense rule. I really do. I just need there to be proof of it, other than a simple statement by the shooter.

And this situation didn't exist in a vacuum, either. It's not like two guys crossed paths in an alley, Person A tried mugging Person B, started cutting him with a knife, and Person B shot Person A to defend himself. That situation has no information surrounding it to lead in one direction or another. In THIS situation, Zimmerman is on tape calling Trayvon "suspicious", saying "these a**holes always get away", following him around, then getting out of his car and chasing him, after being told not to. That shows Zimmerman being the aggressor. In order to believe his claim of self-defense, there should be proof. WHERE IS IT? That is all people are asking, and people like SJ just keep dancing around that central point. If there is evidence, how come we aren't aware of it? If there isn't evidence, why wasn't he charged? It's not that complicated.

Innocent until proven guilty. You are putting the burden on the wrong person.


That was the old way....the new way is Guilty if the Black Panthers puts the pressure on.

I assume, just in general, that this is receiving federal attention because there is the implication that there was a failure, or outright malfeasance, at the local/state level? Because that's part of the job of the federal government? Yes, color me outraged.

Just read on MSNBC that Zimmerman is now being charged with murder. So, letting the system do its job sometimes works.

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: That settles it, then.

Indeed. Lunch? Or should we move on to solving world hunger?

Callous: culebra: srhp29: Didn't he call the prosecutor and volunteer to answer questions? Why would he do that if he was going to flee the country? That is strange. Perhaps he did answer some questions and could tell she didn't like his answers...

It does seem awfully weird. I wonder exactly what his ex-attorney meant when he said that Zimmerman was much further away than Florida. That could mean Utah. It could mean Zimbabwe.

If I was receiving death threats and people were talking about exacting street justice on me and celebrities were telling people to come find me after being forced to kill someone in self defense I would probably not be in my right mind either.

I'll bet he is making bad decisions because he was traumatized by the shooting itself and then again by the reaction. I wouldn't be surprised if he's cracked or overly self medicating.

Post Traumatic Stress Disorder at the very least.

Probably. We can only hope he cooperates from here on out so that the whole situation gets resolved as quickly as possible.

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Having to prove yourself innocent is a farking terrifying notion. I honestly can't believe some people are pushing for that.

While it is on a 1984 level, it would obviously work that way for everyone if it were simply plopped into place...

When the unwashed masses push that one through the red tape, first ones I'm accusing is anyone who voted positive on it. Meaning set-ups would become childsplay.

Sure, it may be anarchy again for a while(if we don't simply revert when everyone sees what a fark-up it would become...but I can dream right?), but it will teach humanity a valuable lesson if any records are kept.

Need not be too much work for 1 man, a group like Anon would surely love to do such a thing on scale.
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Really it's a trap, a self defense mechanism for their (limited)psyche. These people are uncomfortable with this case, can't imagine any case where you wouldn't want the lone survivor to(in their words) "get away", because they've already assumed guilt. Criminal gets put in jail, wraps it up in a nice and neat bow for them.
In their eyes:
Death = Crime
Crime = Punishment
WHY IS HE NOT IN JAIL WHARGARBLE!.

Wish they'd give reality a try. Too bad it requires thought and they're intellectually lazy, if not incapable.

ongbok:

Wow the kid acted like a typical teenager by being suspended from school, experimenting with weed and quoting song lyrics. If you are going to use that as a reason why he should have been killed then you are going to have to kill the majority of teens in this country.



Just to note, Trayvon was suspended from school for having an empty plastic bag that once may have held MJ in it. It persists in your system for about a month after using, yet when they did the drug/alcohol test on him after he was killed, he came back clean, using police testing methods.

jafiwam: The 911 phone calls. You should listen. Or read the transcripts if you haven't.

I thought you had. Now that I know you haven't, that's double retard on you buster.

Specifically what aspect of "The 911 Calls" is evidence of this? I must have missed it. Please be specific.

You realize that "he came back and jumped me!" Is still the version of events according to Zimmerman, even if it's on a 911 tape, right?

just_intonation: Just read on MSNBC that Zimmerman is now being charged with murder. So, letting the system do its job sometimes works.

Unless of course, there's no reason to charge him with murder whatsoever rather than stupid public outrage. Then the system is completely failing us.

This text is now purple: Mike Chewbacca: You know what? I'm as white and Wonder Bread (despite being 1/4 Portuguese) but I truly believe that if Trayvon Martin had been white (or at least non-black) George Zimmerman wouldn't have thought he was suspicious.

Considering the proportion of crimes committed by black males between the ages of 20 and 40, if Trayvon Martin had been white, he wouldn't have been suspicious.

Zimmerman had a fixation on black youths as his 49 911 calls indicate. If it was a white kid he wouldn't have been stalked.

Zalan: ongbok:

Wow the kid acted like a typical teenager by being suspended from school, experimenting with weed and quoting song lyrics. If you are going to use that as a reason why he should have been killed then you are going to have to kill the majority of teens in this country.



Just to note, Trayvon was suspended from school for having an empty plastic bag that once may have held MJ in it. It persists in your system for about a month after using, yet when they did the drug/alcohol test on him after he was killed, he came back clean, using police testing methods.

Toxicology report hasnt been released, champ.

omeganuepsilon: Really it's a trap, a self defense mechanism for their (limited)psyche. These people are uncomfortable with this case, can't imagine any case where you wouldn't want the lone survivor to(in their words) "get away", because they've already assumed guilt. Criminal gets put in jail, wraps it up in a nice and neat bow for them.

I can think of plenty of ways that Self-Defense is a very viable reason for killing another person. I have no problem with the notion of "Self-defense" in general. Martin wasn't breaking into Zimmerman's house or anything, he was walking down a public street, he wasn't doing anything illegal, and he wasn't doing anything to Zimmerman. The notion of "defending yourself" against someone who was minding their own business is befuddling to me.

I have a problem with trying to claim "self-defense" when you are involved in a situation that is entirely of your own creation. As some point I think you go from defending yourself to looking for trouble.