HotWingConspiracy: bakkasan: LasersHurt:
That said, whether or not the kid DID call himself NO-LIMIT-N*#&% or get kicked out of school still has nothing to do with the case.

Or the drugs, or the attacking his bus driver or the... should we go on? Not that his special twitter feed or prior "personal issues" could possibly used to establish a pattern this is still minority on minority crime being shoved down our throat as white on black crime which is the only kind of hate crime there is.

I forgot my point. Hell, I never had one.

Why don't you bring up Zimmerman's history of violence?

Alleged violence, just like alleged violence and drug dealing and burglary by Traypacks.

hdhale: Of course the prosecutor will go for the max.

She already decided against this when she refused to send the case to a grand jury. It will be second degree murder at most, but I believe it will be manslaughter. We'll see what she charges him with soon enough.

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Not that I'm aware of.

Well, so doesn't that make your statment kind of specious, then?

"Based on what we know so far, that's not what happened." Well, of course it is, because the only thing we know so far is the testimony of the alive guy who is claiming it was self-defense.

Silly Jesus: Do they usually put their hoodies on sale and write a post about them during the summer?

Where do you live that it's the summer? It's April. I live in VA and it's literally below 50 degress right now as I type this. I wore a hoodie yesterday when I took my son to the playground.

BigBooper: patrick767: Thanks for a shiatty, unfunny headline, Fark trollministrators.

Degenz: DarnoKonrad: Tag is for the headline.

Done in six.

They've run out of all the good Martin/Zimmerman headlines, so they have to go to the backups. It's what happens when Fark has more that twenty threads on a single issue.

I honestly don't understand why people are so vehemently against letting a jury sort all this out. The fact that Zimmerman pursued Martin with a gun is, to me, enough to remove his self-defense claim under the Florida statute. Then you add in all the other stuff like him shooting Martin while he was on top of Zimmerman but miraculously has no blood spatter on him, got treated by EMTs within a few moments of the incident and they managed to stop what should be profuse bleeding with no bandages is all just over the top. You can argue there are reasonable explanation for all this but isn't that what trials are for?

I think the original State's Attorney badly flubbed the investigation for whatever reason. If this special prosecutor, Angela Corey, says there's not enough evidence then I'm willing to believe here and let all this go.

But I still think the law should be changed.

I also find it very ironic to see white people calling the people who think Zimmerman is guilty a "lynch mob". Nice choice of words there fellas.

The Homer Tax: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Not that I'm aware of.

Well, so doesn't that make your statment kind of specious, then?

"Based on what we know so far, that's not what happened." Well, of course it is, because the only thing we know so far is the testimony of the alive guy who is claiming it was self-defense.

Silly Jesus: Do they usually put their hoodies on sale and write a post about them during the summer?

Where do you live that it's the summer? It's April. I live in VA and it's literally below 50 degress right now as I type this. I wore a hoodie yesterday when I took my son to the playground.

But was it threatening? Obviously not, otherwise you'd be dead.

Silly Jesus: amiable: LasersHurt: Silly Jesus:


Gotta have probable cause. We don't hold trials to determine probable cause.

Thats some mighty fine internet lawyering there lou.

Probable cause is supported by the fact that the shooter confessed to doing the shooting. Now he needs to assert his self-defense argument. The cops clearly have probable cause here.

The fact that this did not go to a grand jury is telling, the prosecutors porabbly have a lot of evidence now not know to the generla public. They must feel they have a stong case if they are not taking this ot a grand jury.

LasersHurt: srhp29: LasersHurt: Silly Jesus:

Maybe some people just want to see a real investigation whenever an unarmed person is killed by an armed person with no (good) witnesses?

How do we know there are no good witnesses? Because the media told us so? They also told us Zimmerman siad "coons". we will know soon enough.

Because every piece of information released has indicated this?

Really? I have read that there was an eye witness that says that Treyvon was on top of Zimmerman beating him. Also, just because the information is not released doesn't mean it does not exist. It might turn out that there is no "good" witness, but you nor I have anyway of knowing that at this point in time.

Mike Chewbacca: jafiwam: Cupajo: jafiwam: I guess Holder is very concerned about the future of the Sons of Obama getting iced by people defending themselves from murder in a racist way... or something.

0_o

Zimmerman was defending himself from murder? By what?! Skittles?

dumbass

Getting on top of someone and bashing their head against the concrete is deadly force.

Unless Trayvon Martin felt physically threatened by a grown man he didn't know following and then chasing and then confronting him.

So following someone, feeling threatened, is sufficient reason to use deadly force to kill them? I don't think that's what you are trying to say, even though you did in fact just say that.

To me it doesn't matter whether Zimmerman is legally free of guilt or not. The facts are:

1. Zimmerman was armed and Martin was not.
2. Zimmerman confronted Martin.
3. This confrontation resulted in Martin's death.

He knowingly brought a weapon to a confrontation he initiated, and used the weapon to kill an unarmed person. In my mind, Zimmerman bears moral culpability for Martin's death. The particulars are irrelevant.

I hope Martin's family finds some solace in the fact that Zimmerman's life is basically ruined regardless of his legal status.

Any guesses on where Zimmerman will be when the charges come down? My money is on Peru. He's pulling a Vandersloot.

Mike Chewbacca: SlothB77: Considering these Zimmerman/ Martin threads, I miss the good old days of 1000+ comment threads about women's contraception.

I'm sure there'll be more. The GOP is still around, after all.

More like people who as absolutely opposed on an issue are still around. There are Democrats after all who like and own firearms and would hate to see them excessive taxed or over regulated, Republicans that support abortion rights, and even a Libertarian or two that would rather that marijuana not be legalized or if it is, heavily regulated.

She is charging him.

Let the games begin. Rule of law? Bye bye. Obama's Brown Shirts? Hello! You know who else was a popular leader who used his personal army in a racist cause?

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: How do we know the gf is being truthful? As far as I can tell, its her word against Zinmermang.

Has she changed her story at all, like he did?

I think if an armed stranger is following me around the neighborhood at night and exits his car to approach me, I have a reasonable fear that my life is in danger. Do you not agree with this statement?

I'm really trying to picture a situation here where Zimmerman is not the agressor. He even states on the 911 call that Martin is fleeing from him, and told that continuing to pursue him "wouldn't be necessary."

Mike Chewbacca: ongbok: karnal: ongbok

ham-operator: I'm going to put a bounty on Al Sharpton's head like the blacks did on George. I woud be in prison within hours. If the Blacks want to create their own laws two can play that game. I would not be in Sanford on the 23rd if I was a Black Panther.

The "blacks" didn't do anything. A small group of black people said something stupid. And no you wouldn't be in jail in hours. White supremacist groups have been calling for Sharpton's head for years and nobody has been arrested.

BS - show me the clip where someone called for Sharpton's head. I bet you can't. The Black Panthers were the one that issued the bounty - not a small group by any means. They are inciting a riot - plain and simple.

In the 80's there were many times that white supremacist called for Sharpton's head. And if you think that black people listen to the New Black Panther party you are an idiot. That would be like me saying that all white people take their marching orders from the Klan. Hell most black people didn't even know that the New Black Panther party existed until they popped up here.

Another thing I have to ask you is why are people like you praying for riots to break out. In every thread on this subject you all start making racist post and bringing up race riots like you are really hopping they break out.

Hey now, everyone knows that white supremacist groups are just civil rights groups for whites. Just ask Fox (new window).

Sure, because there's not a National Association for the Advancement of White People.

/I'm not racist. I hate everyone equally.

keepitcherry: I knew racism was still around and all but I didn't realize how many of you white people hate blacks until this incident and the resulting comments pages of various websites. My favorite new hobby is reading the comments sections of Trayvon stories where the comments are linked to the person's facebook account. I cover their profile pics with my left hand and just read the comments and try to guess what ethnicity the person leaving the comment is...I haven't been wrong yet.

Sure, there are a lot of racist white people on comment pages of various websites.

But there are also a large bloc of blacks who will side with a fellow black person regardless of the situation or truth of a given matter. Look at Obama's greater approval rating vs. his approval rating from blacks, for one example.

So, I have no doubt that 99.99 percent of the people pro-Zimmerman are, in fact, white.

Ted Kennedy's Brain Tumor: But was it threatening? Obviously not, otherwise you'd be dead.

Of course me in a hoodie isn't threatening...I'm white :)

Sorry, had to.

Azlefty: jafiwam: The aggressor was Trayvon. He threw the first blow

Actually due to Zimmy chasing him it can be reasonably argued that Zimmerman had actually committed assault and that Martin was defending himself when he struck his pursuer. First blow means nothing , you come at me in a manner that makes me feel apprehensive or fearful of you harming me then any reasonable action I take is self defense -such as cleaning your clock to remove your threat. In other words due to Zimmerman's actions Martin was Standing his ground.

Who swung first means a lot less than what lead up to the swing

exactly, martin didn't need to wait until he was physically attacked to respond with force in porportion to an expected attack from zimmerman that any reasonable person person would fear from a dude chasing him through the night. he didn't even need to wait until a fist was raised. martin had no duty to continue fleeing from a property that his father invited him to.

Mike Chewbacca: jafiwam: Mike Chewbacca: jafiwam: Cupajo: jafiwam: I guess Holder is very concerned about the future of the Sons of Obama getting iced by people defending themselves from murder in a racist way... or something.

0_o

Zimmerman was defending himself from murder? By what?! Skittles?

dumbass

Getting on top of someone and bashing their head against the concrete is deadly force.

Unless Trayvon Martin felt physically threatened by a grown man he didn't know following and then chasing and then confronting him.

So following someone, feeling threatened, is sufficient reason to use deadly force to kill them? I don't think that's what you are trying to say, even though you did in fact just say that.

WAS it deadly force? If I recall correctly, George Zimmerman is still alive, with only a broken nose.

Many people have been killed by a single blow to the face, or a single blow to the face and then a fall to the concrete.

And, he's not expected to actually be dead before defending himself, all he has to do is have reasonable fear of great bodily harm. Which having ones head forced into the concrete repeatedly by someone on top definitely is.

keepitcherry: I also find it very ironic to see white people calling the people who think Zimmerman is guilty a "lynch mob". Nice choice of words there fellas.

Because no one but a black person has ever been lynched or been sought by a lynch mob, right?

culebra: hdhale: Of course the prosecutor will go for the max.

She already decided against this when she refused to send the case to a grand jury. It will be second degree murder at most, but I believe it will be manslaughter. We'll see what she charges him with soon enough.

She ruled nothing out from everything I've read so far, only decided not to go to the grand jury with a case (and there any number of reasons why she would have done that), but indeed we'll find out soon enough.

just_intonation: Sure, because there's not a National Association for the Advancement of White People.

I always just shortened that to "The Federal Government."

Aarontology: Why are the feds getting involved?

Because it's an election year and they want to distract attention away from the fact that the economy is in the crapper.

thomps: i feel like it's worth pointing out that this is a much trollier headline than either free republic's or fox nation's headline for this story.

Subby put a self-portrait in the icon box as well.

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Alright, you're not interested in an honest discussion. Noted.

I'm really sorry, I don't know what I said to give you the impression that I wasn't interested in an honest discussion. Seriously, what did I say to indicate as much to you and I will try to clarify?

The Homer Tax: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: How do we know the gf is being truthful? As far as I can tell, its her word against Zinmermang.

Has she changed her story at all, like he did?

I think if an armed stranger is following me around the neighborhood at night and exits his car to approach me, I have a reasonable fear that my life is in danger. Do you not agree with this statement?

I'm really trying to picture a situation here where Zimmerman is not the agressor. He even states on the 911 call that Martin is fleeing from him, and told that continuing to pursue him "wouldn't be necessary."

Sigh.

There is no indication that Martin knew Zimmerman was armed until after the struggle occurred. Definitely not until they spoke. Otherwise Martin would have mentioned a GUN to his GF don't you think? Or better yet, just run?

You are equating "following someone" as "aggressor". IF that is true, I aggressed about 15 people on the way to work, one of which was a police officer!!! OMG!

topcon: keepitcherry: I knew racism was still around and all but I didn't realize how many of you white people hate blacks until this incident and the resulting comments pages of various websites. My favorite new hobby is reading the comments sections of Trayvon stories where the comments are linked to the person's facebook account. I cover their profile pics with my left hand and just read the comments and try to guess what ethnicity the person leaving the comment is...I haven't been wrong yet.

Sure, there are a lot of racist white people on comment pages of various websites.

But there are also a large bloc of blacks who will side with a fellow black person regardless of the situation or truth of a given matter. Look at Obama's greater approval rating vs. his approval rating from blacks, for one example.

So, I have no doubt that 99.99 percent of the people pro-Zimmerman are, in fact, white.

Are you including hispanics in "White" for this topic? I get confused as to when someone is hispanic and when they are white. I guess it just depeonds on which term gains moreattention in a given situation, eh?

Algebrat: SlothB77: I said it at the end of the other thread, but I'll say it again here.

Martin/ Zimmerman-related race riots now = Romney win in November. No need to alienate the voters you don't have locked up to kowtow to the voters you already do have locked up.

In all fairness, it depends on which race wins the riots.

/Go Asians

My money's on the aborigines. If they can live for umpteen thousand years in a place that looks like the surface of freakin' Mars, then they will probably outlast us all.

I say Zimmerman is in Cuba.

Place your bets.

hdhale: culebra: hdhale: Of course the prosecutor will go for the max.

She already decided against this when she refused to send the case to a grand jury. It will be second degree murder at most, but I believe it will be manslaughter. We'll see what she charges him with soon enough.

She ruled nothing out from everything I've read so far, only decided not to go to the grand jury with a case (and there any number of reasons why she would have done that), but indeed we'll find out soon enough.

I could very well be mistaken, but I thought that a charge of 1st degree murder (which would presumably be the maximum charge) must go through a grand jury. In any case, it's clear that a 1st degree murder charge wouldn't stick. Maybe not even 2nd degree.

Queensowntalia: This thread has officially gone full 'tard.

Actually, that happened when it was submitted with the jackass headline.

jafiwam: Which having ones head forced into the concrete repeatedly by someone on top definitely is.

Right, but one could argue that Martin was acting in self-defense from Zimmerman in doing that. That's my whole point, If Zimmerman initiated the confrontation I think he should forfeit his claim to self-defense. Currently, I don't think Florida Law is written with that provision, and therefore I think it's a bad law.

Thunderpipes: She is charging him.

Let the games begin. Rule of law? Bye bye. Obama's Brown Shirts? Hello! You know who else was a popular leader who used his personal army in a racist cause?

You don't even know the charge. No tears now, child, only dreams.