omeganuepsilon: How should it be re-written?

What could be more fair?

I'm not a lawyer, but from what I can gather about this, the way the law is written in several states, even similar "stand your ground" laws it better avoids situations like this. The way the Florida Law is written, from what I can gather, seems especially poor.

I think that if you're following someone around, especially someone who isn't actually committing any crimes, and then you initiate a confrontation with them, you forfeit your claims to "self defense." If you were worried about your safety, you should have gone home (as encouraged by the 911 dispatcher you already called to report the suspicious person).

It sure is tough being white.

mrshowrules: Exactly how does anger over black rioters translate to more votes for the etch-o-sketch mormon?

It's the Independents. I imagine the unspoken implication will be, "Despite accepting black people into the mainstream and electing a 'brother', they still won't give up their rage issues and collective persecution complex. Do we want this in the White House? Obama has actually said: Trayvon is 'my son'!"

Thanks for a shiatty, unfunny headline, Fark trollministrators.

DarnoKonrad: Tag is for the headline.

Done in six.

OnlyM3: culebra: Imagine if the local police had actually done their jobs properly. None of this would be an issue.
If trayvon martin's parents had actually done their jobs properly. None of this would be an issue.

If George Zimmerman's parents had aborted him, none of this would be an issue.

patrick767: Thanks for a shiatty, unfunny headline, Fark trollministrators.

Degenz: DarnoKonrad: Tag is for the headline.

Done in six.

They've run out of all the good Martin/Zimmerman headlines, so they have to go to the backups. It's what happens when Fark has more that twenty threads on a single issue.

HAMMERTOE: mrshowrules: Exactly how does anger over black rioters translate to more votes for the etch-o-sketch mormon?

It's the Independents. I imagine the unspoken implication will be, "Despite accepting black people into the mainstream and electing a 'brother', they still won't give up their rage issues and collective persecution complex. Do we want this in the White House? Obama has actually said: Trayvon is 'my son'!"

Basically, whites will come to their senses, abandon their white guilt, and realize that racism is justified because blacks really are bad people and they don't deserve the presidency until they can learn to act right. It was a mistake to believe that they had changed.

AdmirableSnackbar: omeganuepsilon: What can make it better?

They should at least take out the provision that protects the aggressor. If you start a fight and get beat to death that's your own damn fault. Aside from that, apparently the law forces the prosecution to prove that it was not self-defense when that should not be the case. If you kill someone in self defense it should be pretty easy to prove. The default should not be to let someone walk just because they claim self defense.

The aggressor was Trayvon. He threw the first blow.

jafiwam: I expect black people to act like rational human beings. That's it. Whether they do that or not is up to them.

Why you you expect "black people" to act as a uniform group?

I am serious here. I don't know how someone can claim that literally an entire race of people acts and operates as a uniform group, some sort of hive-mind like the Borg, and then *also* get upset when they are accurately labeled as a racist.

This has nothing to do with this case, you just sparked my interest in this sub-thread. Without adding any value judgements, you understand that you are, or at least what you said, is racist, right?

*sigh*

Aarontology: DarnoKonrad: Aarontology: Christ, will you people quit your incessant f*cking whining about the threads?

God, you sound like a bunch of teabaggers complaining about the media and how it's not reporting on the FWFW;FW;FW;FW; emails from your racist shutin relatives.

The headline is vile and reeks of gratuitous racism. Sharpton doesn't have a farking thing to do with Eric Holder's job. But hey, they're both Black, amirite?

It's not just this one thread

It's every single f*cking thread. You can't click on anything without it being half the people biatching and moaning and complaining about it. You want them to stop? Stop clicking on them and giving them page and adviews. You keep falling for trolling and then act surprised when it keeps happening.

That old defense again?

If you have a problem with bad administration, you're free to leave the website. If you complain or try to change anything, you're a so and so sumbiatch.

After seeing how much this defense is used in places like Iran and Libya, you'd think eventually you would want to stop using it.

HotWingConspiracy: Silly Jesus: PonceAlyosha: Silly Jesus: "If we find evidence of a potential federal criminal civil rights crime, we will take appropriate action," said the attorney general.

I guess this doesn't apply to voter intimidation.

Oh, what's that you say?, Zimmerman is "white?" Gotcha.

I'm sorry you find black people intimidating.

I don't. But federal law does find what they did as easily meeting the definition of voter intimidation. The DOJ even admitted as much when they told one of the guys "don't do that anymore."

Trying to win this one again, eh?

You should tell everyone here how someone without a weapon is armed.

Trayvon just wondered if Zimmerman had his tickets, that's how.

jafiwam: The aggressor was Trayvon. He threw the first blow.

According to whom: The alive man who is claiming it was self-defense?

That said, how would you react to an armed stranger who was following you around a neighborhood at night? I imagine I would act violently as well. Why did Martin not also enjoy the right to self-defense?

LasersHurt: srhp29: Then you pull out the "What about ANY TIME EVER that a crime happened to a white person? HUH? DOUBLE STANDARDS!" Which, too, is incredibly ignorant and stupid.

So you think that if the kid was white, this would be in the news like it is then? I will have to agree to disagree, and I am not a racist. I have no issue with anyone of any other race. I am just tired of the media driving a racial divide in this country with its careless, dishonest methods of reporting.

Who knows. What I do know is that there are a lot of people who are VERY sure that the libs and the blacks are making up racism to gain political points, and I think it happens because they're projecting their own "by any means necessary, our team must win" mentality onto everyone else. It comes off as denial that racism exists or could cause things like this to happen, and it's wrong.

The problem here is your blinders.

Both are true.

Racism does exist and is alive and well. Whether it was a factor in this case is impossible to know for a fact.

Certain groups are using this event to gain political Capitol, on both sides.

HotWingConspiracy: What exactly did Sharpton do?

He's the most famous racial rabble- rouser that didn't say, "I want to cut Obama's nuts off!"

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Based on what we know so far, it doesn't look like that's what happened though.

Are there any witnesses besides Zimmerman himself who can testify about the initial confrontation?

BritneysSpeculum: srhp29: Or the New Black Panters bounty on Zimmerman's head. Have there been arrests made in that matter as of yet?

What crime did they commit?

Offering to pay someone to kill someone is a crime.

LasersHurt: dittybopper: Al Sharpton is involved. You can assume that race baiting is happening based solely upon that fact.

Or is it race baiting to claim it's race baiting just because Sharpton's involved? Reverse-race-baiting as a method of hurting the credibility of the event.

You are seriously arguing that Sharpton has credibility on this issue? Does the name Tawana Brawley ring any bells? How about Crystal Mangum?

No, you'll note that I'm NOT arguing that Sharpton has credibility because I DID NOT SAY THAT. What I said is if you respond to EVERY possible racist event with "No, it's just race baiting by the OTHER guys" it's a mighty convenient distraction, and might even be reverse-race-baiting. It takes ANY situation involving race and turns it into a "false" issue because all of a sudden it's "race-baiting."

just_intonation: LasersHurt: DozeNutz: Aarontology: Why are the feds getting involved?

Its election year, and gotta race bait to divide and conquer.

Yes, that's the ONLY reason that a high-profile case might get reviewed. You idiot.

That's the only reason this is a high-profile case, you idiot.

There's no evidence of that, you're just assuming it because it fits your narrative.

mycatisposter: LasersHurt: DozeNutz: Aarontology: Why are the feds getting involved?

Its election year, and gotta race bait to divide and conquer.

Yes, that's the ONLY reason that a high-profile case might get reviewed. You idiot.

Considering the lack of evidence against Zimmerman, election year politics is a fair conclusion.

He farking shot the kid. That's not a "lack of evidence" in terms of evaluating this case as a valid topic of conversation and concern. There may be a lack of evidence of criminal guilt, but you'll note that's not what we're talking about.

No evidence of what? The fact that blacks are making this case about race? My narrative is that Zimmerman is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, not the court of public opinion, and that the cries for "Justice for Trayvon" go a long way to show that it's about race and not about justice.

The fact that AG Holder made these statements where he made these statements also lend some credence to the thought that this might be racially motivated.

The Homer Tax: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Based on what we know so far, it doesn't look like that's what happened though.

Are there any witnesses besides Zimmerman himself who can testify about the initial confrontation?

Apparently not. The girlfriend is the closest thing I've heard of.

LasersHurt: Silly Jesus:

Maybe some people just want to see a real investigation whenever an unarmed person is killed by an armed person with no (good) witnesses?

How do we know there are no good witnesses? Because the media told us so? They also told us Zimmerman siad "coons". we will know soon enough.

jaybeezey

LasersHurt: srhp29: Then you pull out the "What about ANY TIME EVER that a crime happened to a white person? HUH? DOUBLE STANDARDS!" Which, too, is incredibly ignorant and stupid.

So you think that if the kid was white, this would be in the news like it is then? I will have to agree to disagree, and I am not a racist. I have no issue with anyone of any other race. I am just tired of the media driving a racial divide in this country with its careless, dishonest methods of reporting.

Who knows. What I do know is that there are a lot of people who are VERY sure that the libs and the blacks are making up racism to gain political points, and I think it happens because they're projecting their own "by any means necessary, our team must win" mentality onto everyone else. It comes off as denial that racism exists or could cause things like this to happen, and it's wrong.

The problem here is your blinders.

Both are true.

Racism does exist and is alive and well. Whether it was a factor in this case is impossible to know for a fact.

Certain groups are using this event to gain political Capitol, on both sides.


That is exactly what is going on here....this horrible incident has become political fodder for both sides.

The crux of the biscuit is the apostrophe!

jafiwam: I guess Holder is very concerned about the future of the Sons of Obama getting iced by people defending themselves from murder in a racist way... or something.

0_o

Zimmerman was defending himself from murder? By what?! Skittles?

dumbass

Queensowntalia: relcec: you care about this because you see a class of person you are supposed to care about, and you wouldn't be here if that kid was from several other common american backgrounds.
these are incontrovertible facts.

You seem to have a strange definition of "fact'.

"fact" doesn't mean motivations you ascribe to people you don't know and things you imagine they'd do in other situations. That's called "shiat you're making up."

he wouldn't even deny it.
that's why the other dipshait's response was basically
*well I believe a black person would have been treated different and that is why I'm outraged for them and other people of color based on a sliding scale of how dark they are whenever something happens.*

this literally could not move the liberal needle like this if it wasn't a black kid.

two mexicans, we never here about this. they wouldn't slightlygiv a shiat.
we all know it is true.

this is the biggest thing that has happened this year because of the color of his skin.

I belive that trayvon martin deserves and has yet to recieve justice andit i in fact outrageous, but they literally believe that it is ok and even heroic to modulate your outrage based on the color of the skin of the victim.
and that is f*cked up.

Uh oh. Drudge has the sirens up.

Rapmaster2000: BigBooper: BravadoGT: Prediction: This summer is going to be violent. The mobs of young black rioters we've seen the last few summers are going to pale in comparison to what's in store for us this time.

One of the big differences is the huge increase in mobile communication devices. Rioters will be able to coordinate and organize via twitter, face book, and by cellphones to an extent we've never seen before. Look at the increase in flash mobs. Now multiply that times ten. Imagine how a police force would respond if they had wide spread rioting and looting like in the past, but in addition targeted attacks on malls, rich neighbor hoods, etc. Each time the authorities show up in force the mob disperses, only to attack a new target in a few hours. Now imagine that several of these groups are operating at the same time, each of them several hundred people in size. Normal police forces would be useless, and even the National guard would have trouble containing groups that constantly scatter at the first sign of significant force.
This type of rioting could potentially last for days or even weeks, and spread to other cities unlike what we saw in '92. Blood will flow like we've never seen before.

I'm getting an erection just thinking about it. This is going to be better TV than Gulf War I.

In states like Florida, armed shop keepers, and even whole community groups will defend their property with firearms. Mobs of vigilantes will organize to defend neighbor hoods. It will be the closest thing this country will ever see to a race war. Of course it will wind down, and then the prosecutions will start. Those prosecutions will drag on for years, and each of them have the potential to trigger more unrest. Like when the first Asian shop keeper gets off after shooting a black kid. Or when the prosecutions drops the charges against a group of armed white men who killed a different black kid while patrolling a neighbor hood.

The potential is endless!

/glad I live in the middle of nowhere pasty white Wisconsin
//although we could see Milwaukee burn (most segregated city in the country! Yea, we win!)

karnal: ongbok

ham-operator: I'm going to put a bounty on Al Sharpton's head like the blacks did on George. I woud be in prison within hours. If the Blacks want to create their own laws two can play that game. I would not be in Sanford on the 23rd if I was a Black Panther.

The "blacks" didn't do anything. A small group of black people said something stupid. And no you wouldn't be in jail in hours. White supremacist groups have been calling for Sharpton's head for years and nobody has been arrested.

BS - show me the clip where someone called for Sharpton's head. I bet you can't. The Black Panthers were the one that issued the bounty - not a small group by any means. They are inciting a riot - plain and simple.

In the 80's there were many times that white supremacist called for Sharpton's head. And if you think that black people listen to the New Black Panther party you are an idiot. That would be like me saying that all white people take their marching orders from the Klan. Hell most black people didn't even know that the New Black Panther party existed until they popped up here.

Another thing I have to ask you is why are people like you praying for riots to break out. In every thread on this subject you all start making racist post and bringing up race riots like you are really hopping they break out.

Silly Jesus: I'm sure that this was just a coincidence, because it's hoodie buying season and all, it being summer.

It's not hoodie buying season. That's why it's on sale. Silly Jesus.