srhp29: So you think that if the kid was white, this would be in the news like it is then? I will have to agree to disagree, and I am not a racist. I have no issue with anyone of any other race. I am just tired of the media driving a racial divide in this country with its careless, dishonest methods of reporting.

If there was questionable circumstances surrounding the killing and the black guy was taken to the police station and then released 5 hours later and no charges were ever filed even though the lead detective suggested charges?

Yes, I bet it would be a big news story.

I mean, you'd have to be pretty dense to think "whitish looking person killing black kid" is the sole reason this is in the news.

Soup4Bonnie: Holder is for some reason doing this to appease Al Sharpton in order to get President Obama re-elected? This presumes that Sharpton has some sort of voting bloc to bring to the table that the President desperately needs?

uh, no.

he does represent the People Who Looked Better When They Were Fat demographic

jollycynic: I take personal ownership of racism.
I'm racist, and I'm proud of it. Why shouldn't I be? Because I'm white? I'm racist, and I'm not terrified of being called racist. Accuse me of whatever terrible racial heresy you want, and I'll admit that I am naturally guilty of it by virtue (or vice) of being white, and the rest of my white brothers are as well. I'm racist, and accusing me of racism gives you no power over me because I refuse to let it.

Congrats! Not only are you an actual racist, but you have the mental capacity of a rotting horse carcass.

Wear that badge with pride! You rock!

Tatsuma: AG Eric Holder?

Is that the same AG Eric Holder who said there was 'no need for ID voting laws' then a video surfaced of a white young man pretending to be him and voting in his place during the primaries?

That guy?

Well, I feel much more confident about that now.

Wow, using James O'Keefe as a source? You must really be desperate for those troll points today.

srhp29: I am just tired of the media driving a racial divide in this country with its careless, dishonest methods of reporting.

Word.

How many major news outlets have apologized already for their malfeasance in injecting racism into this story from the outset, and yet continue to do so?

It is appalling.

topcon: LasersHurt: topcon: LasersHurt: srhp29: http://www.katu.com/news/local/Police-narrowing-investigation-on-braz e n-teen-mob-146915185.html

"Any one of these could be my child"

-Barack Obama

I voted for him but he really shoudl stay out of this, as should the Federal government. The States were meant to govern themselves. The Feds are out of control and need to be collared.

What does that link have to do with anything? And Obama HAS stayed out of this. He made one sympathetic comment and moved on.

And he probably regretted the "Trayvon could be my son" remark as it was a few days before we found out he was kicked out of school multiple times, talks about drugs on Twitter, and refers to himself as "NO_LIMIT_N&%$!"

I'm sure it made more sense during that first week or two we only saw pictures of him as a twelve year old holding a baby, instead of the one with his gold grill in.

That said, whether or not the kid DID call himself NO-LIMIT-N*#&% or get kicked out of school still has nothing to do with the case.

Yeah, I agree, in theory. If this case goes to trial, however, it certainly does matter. Characterization and establishing a narrative are very important things for a lawyer. Lawyers could easily use these kinds of things to try and establish Trayvon as pre-prison thug with a history of troublemaking. They are, in fact, incredibly important things if this goes to trial.

It would be a huge injustice if Trayvon's less-than-stellar past was allowed into evidence but George Zimmerman's violent past was not.

bulldg4life: HotWingConspiracy: What exactly did Sharpton do?

Just look at the thread, it is obvious Sharpton is pulling all the strings.

Really though, you're right. Sharpton is trolling the shiat out of his haters. They know he's an attention whore, they know what he's doing... and they.just.can't.quit.

They're doing exactly what he wants.

Rapmaster2000: SpoilerAlert: If you made a drinking game were you take a drink every time someone in this thread will say racism, thug, eyewitness, Zimmermang (with the g at the end), guilt, or decided to write fan fiction about the sequence of events as they occured, you'd be deader than a black teen wearing a hoodie in a gated community.

That's one point enjoy about this. The "gated" community. Oooooh, it's a gated community. I don't know what decade this is, but a gated community means about jack these days.

Here we have stucco and vinyl townhomes in the exurbs of Central Florida.



When I see a dead trees, moss, and pit bulls my first thought isn't "what a fancy neighborhood."

Buy now to get in this EXCLUSIVE neighborhood:

1610 RETREAT VIEW CIR SANFORD $98,900.00

Built in 2006 .08 Acres Seminole County Townhouse
1409 Square Feet 3 Bedrooms 2 Baths
10 Pictures (new window)

The real killer is that they were going for 300k a pop at the peak of the housing bubble

HotWingConspiracy: bakkasan: LasersHurt:
That said, whether or not the kid DID call himself NO-LIMIT-N*#&% or get kicked out of school still has nothing to do with the case.

Or the drugs, or the attacking his bus driver or the... should we go on? Not that his special twitter feed or prior "personal issues" could possibly used to establish a pattern this is still minority on minority crime being shoved down our throat as white on black crime which is the only kind of hate crime there is.

I forgot my point. Hell, I never had one.

Why don't you bring up Zimmerman's history of violence?

Fox news never told me about that white mans violent past!

BravadoGT: The mobs of young black rioters we've seen the last few summers

I'm consistently amazed that you have kept up your persona for so many years.

TheGreatGazoo: From what I've heard about the special prosecutor, Zimmerman's goose is pretty cooked. Especially since he pissed off his lawyers and they quit.

I dunno, when the cops decline to even charge you that's usually a pretty good sign that establishing reasonable doubt won't exactly be rocket science.

Aarontology: Why are the feds getting involved?

I'm not a lawyer or anything, but it's my impression that the AG can pretty much pick his cases as long as they're a federal crime. Which seems unlikely, but it is possible, I guess. Looking down the list of where murder falls under fed jurisdiction the only one I could see applying is:

18 U.S.C. 241, 242, 245, 247 Civil rights offenses resulting in death

So essentially if the AG wants to prosecute it, he can if he declares it a hate crime investigation. It's a stretch, but DAs are known to stretch the law to the breaking point in election years, and the AG is just a DA on a larger scale, really.

Alternately, the DoJ is responsible for keeping an eye on local and state law enforcement, so he could initiate an investigation of the police regarding their handling of the case. That wouldn't actually do anything to Zimmerman one way or the other, though.

//Again, I would point out that while the incident as described is consistent with Zimmerman being guilty of manslaughter since he provoked the confrontation against the direct advice of the police, there is legitimately reasonable doubt as to that being the case, so by the normal standards of justice he should walk on this one. I imagine that this is why the cops didn't charge him.

I guess Holder is very concerned about the future of the Sons of Obama getting iced by people defending themselves from murder in a racist way... or something.

0_o

bakkasan: I forgot my point. Hell, I never had one.

Your journey is complete: you are now a true Farker. Welcome to your own personal hell.

bulldg4life: MasterChief-M4: Hopefully they investigate this with the same level of professionalism they put into the Black Panthers voter intimidation.

Oh wait...

You mean when the Bush DOJ decline to press charges?

Check your limeline.

The Bush DOJ didn't "decline to press charges", they had turn the investigation over to the Obama DOJ since they lost their jobs. 18 months later, the Obama DOJ declined to press charges. Unless you think the Bush DOJ was still operating in Summer, 2010?

Car_Ramrod: He said "If I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon".

Does that mean that even black people think all black people look alike?

BravadoGT: Prediction: This summer is going to be violent. The mobs of young black rioters we've seen the last few summers are going to pale in comparison to what's in store for us this time.

Do you have a bible and a gun you can cling to during these trying times? I find it helps.

ChuDogg:

The real killer is that they were going for 300k a pop at the peak of the housing bubble

Ouch. Why would you rob that place? The owners already pawned all their shiat to make the mortgage.

MasterChief-M4: Hopefully they investigate this with the same level of professionalism they put into the Black Panthers voter intimidation.

Oh wait...

The Black Panthers are to Obama what the Brown Shirts were to Hitler.

timujin: SlothB77: I said it at the end of the other thread, but I'll say it again here.

Martin/ Zimmerman-related race riots now = Romney win in November. No need to alienate the voters you don't have locked up to kowtow to the voters you already do have locked up.

this may be one of the most blatantly racist statements I've ever seen posted on Fark. Congratulations.

I would like to welcome you to Fark, 4chan's more mature older brother.

/Where brilliance and BS mingle side by side.

Starving Zimbabwe Trillionaire: MasterChief-M4: Hopefully they investigate this with the same level of professionalism they put into the Black Panthers voter intimidation.

Oh wait...

The Black Panthers are to Obama what the Brown Shirts were to Hitler.

hehe wow...

skullkrusher: Starving Zimbabwe Trillionaire: MasterChief-M4: Hopefully they investigate this with the same level of professionalism they put into the Black Panthers voter intimidation.

Oh wait...

The Black Panthers are to Obama what the Brown Shirts were to Hitler.

hehe wow...

I was gonna say just about the same thing... wow :)

Car_Ramrod: Overfiend: DarnoKonrad: Aarontology: Christ, will you people quit your incessant f*cking whining about the threads?

God, you sound like a bunch of teabaggers complaining about the media and how it's not reporting on the FWFW;FW;FW;FW; emails from your racist shutin relatives.

The headline is vile and reeks of gratuitous racism. Sharpton doesn't have a farking thing to do with Eric Holder's job. But hey, they're both Black, amirite?

Who does Mr. Holder work for (besides "us")? Sharpton, like Tea party zealots on the other side, can push politicans into dealing with issues they maybe would not get into.

Is it really that hard to make that connection?

Not everything is racist, even if you think it.

"It's a huge error to look at the Martin case and see Sharpton or figures like him as the prime movers behind the public reaction."

I read about this case weeks before Sharpton was involved and I was shocked that a man could just shoot someone, claim it was self defense on the spot, and not even get put to trial. If you think Sharpton is the reason people are interested in this case, you are horribly mistaken.

I think Sharpton is involved because people are interested. If there was no interest, that attention whore would not be anywhere near it.

HotWingConspiracy: BravadoGT: Prediction: This summer is going to be violent. The mobs of young black rioters we've seen the last few summers are going to pale in comparison to what's in store for us this time.

Do you have a bible and a gun you can cling to during these trying times? I find it helps.

He's probably got a copy of this.

ChuDogg: I'm amazed people claim to know what happened and can determine guilt when the investigstion is sealed from the public.

My whole problem with the law as it's written in Florida is that we can never know what happened in that situation. Never. It's a "Your Word Against His" argument between a live man and a dead kid. We will only ever be able to get one side of the story that is inherently biased, and it's perfectly legal under Florida Law.

I think that's bad and scary, and the law should be re-written. I think all the "Racisim" and political circuses that are surrounding this issue are detracting from what I consider to be the actual issue...

SN1987a goes boom: ChuDogg: Car_Ramrod: Overfiend: DarnoKonrad: Aarontology: Christ, will you people quit your incessant f*cking whining about the threads?

God, you sound like a bunch of teabaggers complaining about the media and how it's not reporting on the FWFW;FW;FW;FW; emails from your racist shutin relatives.

The headline is vile and reeks of gratuitous racism. Sharpton doesn't have a farking thing to do with Eric Holder's job. But hey, they're both Black, amirite?

Who does Mr. Holder work for (besides "us")? Sharpton, like Tea party zealots on the other side, can push politicans into dealing with issues they maybe would not get into.

Is it really that hard to make that connection?

Not everything is racist, even if you think it.

"It's a huge error to look at the Martin case and see Sharpton or figures like him as the prime movers behind the public reaction."

I read about this case weeks before Sharpton was involved and I was shocked that a man could just shoot someone, claim it was self defense on the spot, and not even get put to trial. If you think Sharpton is the reason people are interested in this case, you are horribly mistaken.

I'm amazed people claim to know what happened and can determine guilt when the investigstion is sealed from the public.

You mean like you do whenever you post your own version of events?

I post what the available evidence shows and even lead to two conclusions of how it might have started, depending on which side you fall on.

Yes i have my own opinions, but i am able to seperate them from facts. A great deal of people are unable to do so, mostly Martin sympathizers, not always, but mostly. Includuing the person i was just responding to

HotWingConspiracy: Silly Jesus: HotWingConspiracy: Silly Jesus: PonceAlyosha: Silly Jesus: "If we find evidence of a potential federal criminal civil rights crime, we will take appropriate action," said the attorney general.

I guess this doesn't apply to voter intimidation.

Oh, what's that you say?, Zimmerman is "white?" Gotcha.

I'm sorry you find black people intimidating.

I don't. But federal law does find what they did as easily meeting the definition of voter intimidation. The DOJ even admitted as much when they told one of the guys "don't do that anymore."

Trying to win this one again, eh?

You should tell everyone here how someone without a weapon is armed.

Ha, trying to win the 'didn't have a gun, therefore was defenseless' fight again, eh?

Oh you poor dear. I never said that. I said he was unarmed and then like a good little propagandist, you tried to redefine "unarmed".

They might have reading comprehension tutors at your local library.

There is a reason that the dialogue includes, repeatedly, the phrase "unarmed child." The implication is that someone who is "unarmed" can do no harm and the same goes for "child." It's disingenuous to keep spouting those talking points.

In what way were the definitions from the dictionary not correct? You never really addressed that, you just went straight to ad hom. That usually means something.

LasersHurt: srhp29: Then you pull out the "What about ANY TIME EVER that a crime happened to a white person? HUH? DOUBLE STANDARDS!" Which, too, is incredibly ignorant and stupid.

So you think that if the kid was white, this would be in the news like it is then? I will have to agree to disagree, and I am not a racist. I have no issue with anyone of any other race. I am just tired of the media driving a racial divide in this country with its careless, dishonest methods of reporting.

Who knows. What I do know is that there are a lot of people who are VERY sure that the libs and the blacks are making up racism to gain political points, and I think it happens because they're projecting their own "by any means necessary, our team must win" mentality onto everyone else. It comes off as denial that racism exists or could cause things like this to happen, and it's wrong.

I know. We libs can't possibly be upset that a grown man shot and killed an unarmed teenager in his own neighborhood, and seems to be about to get off scot-free. It MUST be because of politics.

BravadoGT: Prediction: This summer is going to be violent. The mobs of young black rioters we've seen the last few summers are going to pale in comparison to what's in store for us this time.

I remember hearing this 20 years ago, but with repeated references to "wilding".

Tatsuma: AG Eric Holder?

Is that the same AG Eric Holder who said there was 'no need for ID voting laws' then a video surfaced of a white young man pretending to be him and voting in his place during the primaries?

That guy?

Well, I feel much more confident about that now.

There was no kneejerk response to race baiting in your statement. Please refrain from posting until you can do it properly and in accordance with official race baiting rules.

LasersHurt: srhp29: Then you pull out the "What about ANY TIME EVER that a crime happened to a white person? HUH? DOUBLE STANDARDS!" Which, too, is incredibly ignorant and stupid.

So you think that if the kid was white, this would be in the news like it is then? I will have to agree to disagree, and I am not a racist. I have no issue with anyone of any other race. I am just tired of the media driving a racial divide in this country with its careless, dishonest methods of reporting.

Who knows. What I do know is that there are a lot of people who are VERY sure that the libs and the blacks are making up racism to gain political points, and I think it happens because they're projecting their own "by any means necessary, our team must win" mentality onto everyone else. It comes off as denial that racism exists or could cause things like this to happen, and it's wrong.

The onlyl evidence this shooting had anything to do with race is the word "coons" and the fact that the kid is black. Since that "coon" thing has be bebunked, why is this still about race again? I realize the kid is still black, but there is nothing that shows that had anything to do with what happened. Yet that is the angle that is being played the most it seems.

fark it, kill Zimmerman - There, now things are even. Let's get back to hating each other for ostensibly honest reasons.

bakkasan: skullkrusher: Starving Zimbabwe Trillionaire: MasterChief-M4: Hopefully they investigate this with the same level of professionalism they put into the Black Panthers voter intimidation.

Oh wait...

The Black Panthers are to Obama what the Brown Shirts were to Hitler.

hehe wow...

I was gonna say just about the same thing... wow :)

I think it's the only legitimate reaction to that sort of thing. Trying to argue it with reason would be like trying to convince Obama to show his birth certificate or admit that white people deserve equal protection under the law. It just wouldn't work

Rapmaster2000:

Here we have stucco and vinyl townhomes in the exurbs of Central Florida.

[media.syracuse.com image 640x429]

When I see a dead trees, moss, and pit bulls my first thought isn't "what a fancy neighborhood."

Buy now to get in this EXCLUSIVE neighborhood:

Tatsuma: AG Eric Holder?

Is that the same AG Eric Holder who said there was 'no need for ID voting laws' then a video surfaced of a white young man pretending to be him and voting in his place during the primaries?

That guy?

Well, I feel much more confident about that now.

This isn't an Israel thread, go away.

LasersHurt: srhp29: I just thought that he meant any black kid could be his son or daughter. His one comment was too much. This is not a national matter. One person was shot and this is only a matter because that person was black and any time a black person is shot (by a non black), it must be racism. Nevermind that most black people are shot by other black poeple and black people shoot plenty of non blacks without the national media yelling racism.. Where are Obama's comments on the white couple in Tulsa that were murdered excution style by black men who had jsut robbed them (this happened within the last month I believe). Where is the national outrage on that? Dudes in Tulsa kill some black people and it is National news once again.

This is some racist shiat right here. Blacks are shot by non blacks all the farking time, you ignorant shiatfarker.

Then you pull out the "What about ANY TIME EVER that a crime happened to a white person? HUH? DOUBLE STANDARDS!" Which, too, is incredibly ignorant and stupid.

would you be outraged in this case if you decided that the victim was not of a class that consitently claim deserve your special protection?

isn't all your liberal moral indignation saved specifically for cases when you can show your glorious and paternalistic, some might even say almost provincial, *care* for certain very specific American minorities?

would you even be in here if this was an asian kid in a hoodie shot by a black father that was worried about his neighborhood?

I think we all know the answers to these questions. nevermind.

LasersHurt: There has been an ongoing "black people are to blame for this because they are race baiting and they're the real racists anyway" thing that has been really gross lately.

It is funny how if a black person stands up and complains about an injustice they they feel has been done against themselves or other black people they are considered race baiters and racist by some white people. It is like they fully expect for black people to sit down, shut their mouths and take anything that people want to do to them.

topcon: LasersHurt: srhp29: http://www.katu.com/news/local/Police-narrowing-investigation-on-braz e n-teen-mob-146915185.html

"Any one of these could be my child"

-Barack Obama

I voted for him but he really shoudl stay out of this, as should the Federal government. The States were meant to govern themselves. The Feds are out of control and need to be collared.

What does that link have to do with anything? And Obama HAS stayed out of this. He made one sympathetic comment and moved on.

And he probably regretted the "Trayvon could be my son" remark as it was a few days before we found out he was kicked out of school multiple times, talks about drugs on Twitter, and refers to himself as "NO_LIMIT_N&%$!"

I'm sure it made more sense during that first week or two we only saw pictures of him as a twelve year old holding a baby, instead of the one with his gold grill in.

Wow the kid acted like a typical teenager by being suspended from school, experimenting with weed and quoting song lyrics. If you are going to use that as a reason why he should have been killed then you are going to have to kill the majority of teens in this country.

And that whole gold grill thing is just stupid, because that looked like one of those $5 costume grills people buy as jokes, but of course he was black so it is another reason why he is evil.

Does anyone under the age of 30 even know who Sharpton is without Googling it?

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand, Godwinned.

This thread has officially gone full 'tard.

Silly Jesus: HotWingConspiracy: Silly Jesus: HotWingConspiracy: Silly Jesus: PonceAlyosha: Silly Jesus: "If we find evidence of a potential federal criminal civil rights crime, we will take appropriate action," said the attorney general.

I guess this doesn't apply to voter intimidation.

Oh, what's that you say?, Zimmerman is "white?" Gotcha.

I'm sorry you find black people intimidating.

I don't. But federal law does find what they did as easily meeting the definition of voter intimidation. The DOJ even admitted as much when they told one of the guys "don't do that anymore."

Trying to win this one again, eh?

You should tell everyone here how someone without a weapon is armed.

Ha, trying to win the 'didn't have a gun, therefore was defenseless' fight again, eh?

Oh you poor dear. I never said that. I said he was unarmed and then like a good little propagandist, you tried to redefine "unarmed".

They might have reading comprehension tutors at your local library.

There is a reason that the dialogue includes, repeatedly, the phrase "unarmed child." The implication is that someone who is "unarmed" can do no harm and the same goes for "child." It's disingenuous to keep spouting those talking points.

Unarmed is unarmed. Words mean things.

In what way were the definitions from the dictionary not correct? You never really addressed that, you just went straight to ad hom. That usually means something.

They were perfectly fine definitions, they just had no bearing on the conversation. You tried to redefine the word unarmed. You failed. Move on.

Mike Chewbacca: It would be a huge injustice if Trayvon's less-than-stellar past was allowed into evidence but George Zimmerman's violent past was not.

Correct. It's all on the table. We might just have a situation with no real good guy to root for.

ongbok: Wow the kid acted like a typical teenager by being suspended

Not saying that it proves he was a bad kid, but you realize most kids are never suspended from or kicked out of school, right?

relcec: would you even be in here if this was an asian kid in a hoodie shot by a black father that was worried about his neighborhood?

Would the black father not have been arrested by police? I doubt that.