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2012-04-11 12:21:43 PM

Mikey1969: Baryogenesis: Except you're missing the "collusion" part of the equation. An individual company who doesn't want to do business with Amazon is free to do that, but another business will probably step in. Except, in this case 5 major publishers (allegedly) all agreed to not do business with Amazon unless Amazon played ball. THAT is what is illegal. Now, instead of one of these publishers offering their books to Amazon $9 to undercut their competitor's offer of $10 (for example), they've all agreed to stay at $10 and tell Amazon to fark off if Amazon won't accept.

Of course, Amazon wasn't a victim in this either...


Yeah, they were. They were forced into it. They had a different model in the way they sold books. I used to regularly get cheap ebooks from them before this collusion occurred. Then they were forced to take the publisher's deal or be knocked out of the market.
 
2012-04-11 12:22:34 PM
What about only charging more for an advance copy of the ebook? Then make the price lower for ebooks on and after the release date.

Otherwise...
www.geekosystem.com
 
2012-04-11 12:22:50 PM

Joe Blowme: And yet this is the same gov that is forcing you to buy a $50 light bulb once they squash the incandescent competition.

/crickets...


I have never seen a light bulb that costs $50.
 
2012-04-11 12:22:58 PM
The whole thing just proves how dishonest the publishers are, particularly when it comes to their dealings with the authors (where they claim bogus expenses).

They could have sold e-books at a price low enough that, in terms of straight accounting, they made a greater profit than for the print version, and the retail price still would have been lower than it is for the print version.

But if they do that they lose a big piece of where they hide fake expenses from authors, and they couldn't do that. That would have only left the marketing side, which is harder to hide overhead in because what constitutes marketing is easier to define that what constitutes "publishing".
 
2012-04-11 12:23:34 PM

mrmyxolodian: DaJesus: Once I get a Roku box, or something similar, I will most likely take advantage of Prime

Are the amazon movies/tv shows that much better than netflix or do you hate netflix?


Netflix has more content available for unlimited viewings with their monthly subscription (though it's slightly more expensive); however, Amazon has been closing the gap quite a bit over the past year. Then there's the free 2 day delivery on everything you purchase from there, the free kindle books, etc.

If you don't otherwise use Amazon I'd certainly go for Netflix, but if you buy basically everything but food through them like my family does and you needed to choose between the two it's kind of a no brainer. Honestly we were paying for Prime when it was just the free shipping and faster delivery and we felt like it was worth it even then.

Then again, you can do what we do and have both, and shiatcan pay TV like we did a couple months ago. Went from $86 a month with DirectTV to something like $11 or $12 a month combined for Prime and Netflix and we watch it all through a HD Roku box we bought for I about $60.
 
2012-04-11 12:25:57 PM

WhyteRaven74: GT_bike: Another observation: capitalism is closer to what Amazon was doing in trying to increase demand for Kindles and e-publishing.

Also Amazon allows anyone to sign up and sell a book for the Kindle. No agent, no publisher required.


This has the potential to be huge.

In music artists like Ice-T have already said they can self release, selling solely online, sell a small fraction of the volume, and still make more money than they do using their previous label. I can see authors, once established, taking the same approach. Once you have a name what the publisher can do for you is limited. And if you take out the physical books it is really almost non-existent. Every service they provide can be contracted out cheaper, and be done at least as well. And you know exactly where your money went. The authors only lose the advances, which an established author may be able to forego.
 
2012-04-11 12:26:00 PM

InmanRoshi: hdhale: If Apple figured out a way to also "win" on electronic publications in addition the blood sucking megacorp publishers, good for them, but bad for us. My question is why the Justice Department isn't going after the megacorps over their academic journal pricing...oh wait, not sexy enough, never mind.

If by "not sexy enough" you mean "doesn't effect nearly as much of the public", you're right.


Number of students, faculty, and administrators at all the academic institutions in the U.S. and all those paying student tuition vs. people who buy e-books.

That's a large number either way don't ya think?
 
2012-04-11 12:27:30 PM

JokerMattly: Tricky Chicken: Did you know that when the DOJ fines a company millions of dollars, the department just adds that money to their operating budget?

I haven't decided it I think this is a good thing or a bad thing yet. On one hand, they are incentivized to go after companies because of the funding implications. On the other hand, they may go after spurious cases out of greed. On the other other hand, I could be wrong yet again.

Good lord man, how many hands do you have?!


Trick question, he has none because he is a chicken and chickens have wings. And wings are good and now I am hungry.
 
2012-04-11 12:28:05 PM

James!: Joe Blowme: And yet this is the same gov that is forcing you to buy a $50 light bulb once they squash the incandescent competition.

/crickets...

I have never seen a light bulb that costs $50.


Time to repackage incandescants as "stick it to those LIBZ with the Thomas Kinkade collection painter of LIGHT conserva-blazer" bulbs and charge the rubes $50 a pop.

/sell them the burned-out bulbs
//they won't know the difference
 
2012-04-11 12:28:20 PM

Contrabulous Flabtraption: Contrabulous Flabtraption: I'd feed that pussy

LOL, definitely wrong thread.


And which thread were you intending to post in, is it worth the look?
 
2012-04-11 12:28:51 PM

Shrugging Atlas: Fark It: It doesn't cost that much to print the book. Mass markets are so cheap, that when they're "due-out," and the publisher wants them back, brick and mortars like B&N "strip" the front covers and recycle everything else. The front covers get sent in to the publisher so they can presumably write them off because that's cheaper than having to deal with the freight for all of that cheap inventory. That's also why there are barcodes on the inside of the front cover.

Sorry, I guess that was my point. The publishers are obviously making something on a print book sold for even $3.24 in this case. And built into that cost is the price of printing it, shipping it to the retailers, etc. Why is it the e-book costs $7.99 when the cost of 'publishing' it simply has to cost at worst nearly the same as the print version.


The fact that it costs them next to nothing to produce is exactly the reason why the publishers are participating in price fixing and colluding to circumvent a open competitive free market. There's very little "floor" at which someone will price something to gain advantage on their competitors when it costs them next to nothing to produce. If a true competitive open market begins to operate for e-books, the prices will quickly escalate downwards to next to nothing and the entire publishing industry will be unsustainable.
 
2012-04-11 12:29:17 PM

sign_of_Zeta: Then they were forced to take the publisher's deal or be knocked out of the market.


And to Jeff Bezos' credit when he spoke out about it a couple years ago, he didn't mention anything about what it would do to Amazon's bottom line but rather how it was screwing over consumers.

SharkTrager: he authors only lose the advances, which an established author may be able to forego.


Advances that the publisher then uses to screw over the author with accounting tricks. The same way record labels do with music acts.
 
2012-04-11 12:30:34 PM

James!: Joe Blowme: And yet this is the same gov that is forcing you to buy a $50 light bulb once they squash the incandescent competition.

/crickets...

I have never seen a light bulb that costs $50.


Have you heard of the incandescent bulbs being banned shortly?

Link (new window)
Link (new window)
 
2012-04-11 12:30:44 PM

professor_tom: Vertdang: Silly Jesus: So what exactly did they do? Serious question. I'm not very well read on e-book related anti-trust law.

they allowed the publishers to set their own prices for all ebook sales. in exchange, apple gets a cut of the profit.

Classic kickback

Uh, why shouldn't the publishers be allowed to set the prices on products they sell? I think this is more about what Apple charges them to put their stuff up in the Apple store.


This issue confuses me. If the publishers colluded on the prices, which is wrong, then shouldn't they be the target of the investigation? That Apple establishes the same terms with each publisher seems irrelevant, and if they are asking for the same cut from each one suggests a certain level of fairness.

Apple has the product that is in demand (i.e. the iPad), which offers an opportunity to increase sales for publishers. They ask for a 30% cut of the sale, and they ask that their price is no higher than other retailers. A publisher is free to walk away from this arrangement, which doesn't even preclude people from accessing their product on an iPad, since they are free to purchase ebooks from Amazon and Barnes & Noble via the respective iPad apps.

In the article, it sounds like Apple's deal interfered with Amazon's attempts to control the pricing when they were the largest game in town.

Not sure what keeps ebook prices so high other than publishers being comfortable with where they are on the demand curve.
 
2012-04-11 12:31:14 PM
img1.fark.net People who read eBooks are farking wankers. You need to be a special type of person for the argument, "Let's us technology to fix a problem that doesn't exist", to make sense.

I have a paperback copy of Candide I bought for 98 cents at a used book store in one hand and an eBook in the other - lets drop both from a height of 20ft and see what happens.
 
2012-04-11 12:31:18 PM

The Crepes of Wrath: CSB: My wife's friend from high school is a children's book author, who still feels the need to go the route of agent/big publishing house/dead tree books. She's adamantly opposed to e-books, yet completely embraces digital media when it comes to music.

Yes, in the long run, she'll be left behind, and she'll have no one to blame but herself.


Wait...Children's books? Like, picture books or at least heavily-illustrated, "touch-me hold-me curl-up-with-me" books that get children excited about the idea of reading?

Wouldn't the market for children's books heavily favor actual hard copy production, therefore requiring an actual publisher and distributor? I doubt most six- to ten-year-olds are going to have a Kindle anytime soon.

Isn't that also the only way to get your book into book fairs and the classroom book order sheets, two traditional (and quite effective) direct-marketing avenues for kids? Didn't R.L. Stine (and Scholastic) make a killing this way?

No parent's going to buy a $200 e-reader for their grade school kid, when it's going to get lost, stolen or carelessly broken, and especially if they don't know whether he's even going to read -- but that same parent would likely not even bat an eye about dropping $10-20 on a book order.
 
2012-04-11 12:31:24 PM

Joe Blowme: And yet this is the same gov that is forcing you to buy a $50 light bulb once they squash the incandescent competition.

/crickets...


They didn't say that you can't make incandescents any longer, they just said you had to meet minimum requirements for efficiency. You can actually buy new incandescents that are energy efficient enough to be sold under the new regulations, such as the Phillips Halogena line. (new window) The government was just saying that an energy wasting design that was over 100 years old didn't cut it in the modern world.
 
2012-04-11 12:32:56 PM
If you don't like the price don't buy. I buy my e-books from Amazon and have not paid more than $3.99 for the last 10 or 12 I bought. Some I got for a little as $.99. Shop around. There are many good reads for reasonable prices. Link (new window)

Also you can download thousands of titles from the Gutenberg Project for free through Amazon. If you don't buy the overpriced e-books, the price will come down but if enough people are willing to pay the higher prices the prices will stay. It's called the free market.

Anti-Trust action historically have a negative impact on the consumer. I don't expect any difference this time around.
 
2012-04-11 12:33:06 PM

WhyteRaven74: GT_bike: Another observation: capitalism is closer to what Amazon was doing in trying to increase demand for Kindles and e-publishing.

Also Amazon allows anyone to sign up and sell a book for the Kindle. No agent, no publisher required.


I'd say that's another pretty good reason the big publishers would want to try to push Amazon around.
 
2012-04-11 12:33:09 PM

Joe Blowme: Have you heard of the incandescent bulbs being banned shortly?


Except they're not being banned at all.
 
2012-04-11 12:33:09 PM

mrmyxolodian: Mikey1969: You can get them online for free.... Many pirated books out there, and the publishers have only themselves to blame at this point.

I have heard this, but haven't really looked into it. Where does one go for this sort of thing. Or, what does one google?
I found some legit sites that you can download classics and what not. Love that, but also looking for more recent books of course.


I Google for epub, and look for torrent sites. For example, I want The Hunger Games, I search for The Hunger Games epub, and usually find it that way. Sometimes I have to refine the search and add 'torrent', and once or twice I've found sites with epubs on them that aren't torrent sites. I also sometimes go straight to torrent sites, like thepiratebay, but I have found the selection to be very sparse that way, usually the Google search gets me what I want in the first 3 results.

Epub is the Nook format, I can't remember the Amazon format off the top of my head, but I've had better luck with the epubs on my Nook than pdf's, less formatting issues, so my recommendation is to try the native format first.

Let me know if you're not familiar with torrents, and I can give you a quick rundown.
 
2012-04-11 12:35:23 PM

Carth: They can. They just shouldn't be allowed to force Amazon to sell it at a price they choose. Publishers are free not to do business with Amazon, Wal-mart or BN if they choose to. What they aren't allowed to do is demand every retailer sell their product for the same price and give them a certain amount of the sale and forbid the product from ever going on sale.


It seems to work for Apple, ever find an iP*d on sale? Same thing for game systems. You can pretty much walk into any store in America, regardless of the size and pay the same price for a Wii, PS3, etc.
 
2012-04-11 12:35:27 PM

Shrugging Atlas: Honestly we were paying for Prime when it was just the free shipping and faster delivery and we felt like it was worth it even then


Ditto. I've had prime for years and it was easily worth it just for the shipping speed and convenience. From that perspective the loaner books and the free videos just seemed like a gift.
 
2012-04-11 12:36:24 PM

Mad_Radhu: Joe Blowme: And yet this is the same gov that is forcing you to buy a $50 light bulb once they squash the incandescent competition.

/crickets...

They didn't say that you can't make incandescents any longer, they just said you had to meet minimum requirements for efficiency. You can actually buy new incandescents that are energy efficient enough to be sold under the new regulations, such as the Phillips Halogena line. (new window) The government was just saying that an energy wasting design that was over 100 years old didn't cut it in the modern world.


BUT BUT SSSSOOOOSHHELLLIISSSMMM!!!
 
2012-04-11 12:37:00 PM

Fark It: This one is kind of infuriating. The publishers don't do ANY distribution when it comes to digital books. Amazon and B&N are the ones investing tens, maybe even hundreds of millions of dollars into distributing e-books via their various marketing channels and establishing digital marketplaces.


LOL, they're ALL kind of infuriating to me, but yeah, this is basically their excuse for uploading the copy to Amazon's FTP server, and they really probably just post it on their own FTP and send a link to the distributors to download...
 
2012-04-11 12:37:16 PM
i.imgur.com

$14.99 vs. $0.01 + $3.99 Shipping & Handling that goes to a goodwill store somewhere.

Lessee... which do I buy, which do I buy...

Good job Amazon, you priced yourselves out of the market you effing created.
 
2012-04-11 12:37:22 PM

Mikey1969: lennavan: Mikey1969: Go back to high school and pay attention next time, they explain antitrust laws no later than your sophomore year.

Why would I take High School economics again? I'm not an economist. All I needed was a quick refresher, which I got earlier in the thread.

Because you obviously slept through it the first time. It was a very simple concept, and we covered it in a day, maybe two...


Alternatively, I graduated from High School quite awhile ago. It might shock you, I took fours years of calculus between HS and College and don't remember any of that either. Turns out I'm not a calculusist either.

Mikey1969: Because you obviously slept through it the first time. It was a very simple concept, and we covered it in a day, maybe two...


And I recalled it after reading a simple explanation in a sentence, or two.
 
2012-04-11 12:39:25 PM

Wert789: If you don't like the price don't buy. I buy my e-books from Amazon and have not paid more than $3.99 for the last 10 or 12 I bought. Some I got for a little as $.99. Shop around. There are many good reads for reasonable prices. Link (new window)


There are also free books available from Amazon. Obviously they're not the new popular books but if you just like reading, they're available.
 
2012-04-11 12:39:32 PM

Mikey1969: Contrabulous Flabtraption: Contrabulous Flabtraption: I'd feed that pussy

LOL, definitely wrong thread.

And which thread were you intending to post in, is it worth the look?


anorexic cat lady thread. Meh, to answer your question
 
2012-04-11 12:39:41 PM

lake march: People should shop around, TPB has much better prices on ebooks than Amazon or Apple.


LOL, most definitely... Not finding as many there, but I have just expanded my search when it comes to books, I still make TPB my first stop for anything else.
 
2012-04-11 12:39:51 PM

trippdogg: [img1.fark.net image 54x11] People who read eBooks are farking wankers. You need to be a special type of person for the argument, "Let's us technology to fix a problem that doesn't exist", to make sense.

I have a paperback copy of Candide I bought for 98 cents at a used book store in one hand and an eBook in the other - lets drop both from a height of 20ft and see what happens.


A Paperback bound novel made by an automated printing press running on electricity? I guess that's okay if you're one of those types who are completely dependent on technology.


I only read books that were written with quill and ink on handmade papyrus paper.
 
2012-04-11 12:40:10 PM

Carth: Kar98: Unoriginal_Username: Kar98: Hmm? The ebook version of the book I just bought costs 12.99, and the hardcover of the same 39.99.

That's true, but the soft cover edition would run you about $10.

But the softcover isn't out yet, and it won't have colorized art, just black and white.

Was it a text book? I haven't seen a discount like that on an ebook in a longtime.


Christopher Moore - Sacre Bleu
Link (new window)
 
2012-04-11 12:40:12 PM

BizarreMan: Carth: They can. They just shouldn't be allowed to force Amazon to sell it at a price they choose. Publishers are free not to do business with Amazon, Wal-mart or BN if they choose to. What they aren't allowed to do is demand every retailer sell their product for the same price and give them a certain amount of the sale and forbid the product from ever going on sale.

It seems to work for Apple, ever find an iP*d on sale? Same thing for game systems. You can pretty much walk into any store in America, regardless of the size and pay the same price for a Wii, PS3, etc.


TJ Maxx was selling ipads on sale awhile ago. Nothing is stopping Best Buy from selling ipads at a discount if they choose to. Xbox is currently discounted about $20 on Amazon.

Retailers are allowed to discount all the items you listed but they are prohibited from discounting ebooks.
 
2012-04-11 12:41:33 PM

Joe Blowme: And yet this is the same gov that is forcing you to buy a $50 light bulb once they squash the incandescent competition.

/crickets...


Sorry dude, I have found color balanced CFLs for $1.75. They aren't forcing you to buy the $50 LED floodlights, qhuit trying to lie. I hate the forced switch also, but at least I can tell the truth about it.
 
2012-04-11 12:41:37 PM

Mad_Radhu: They didn't say that you can't make incandescents any longer, they just said you had to meet minimum requirements for efficiency. You can actually buy new incandescents that are energy efficient enough to be sold under the new regulations, such as the Phillips Halogena line. (new window) The government was just saying that an energy wasting design that was over 100 years old didn't cut it in the modern world.


Because apparently nobody thought to say "Hey guys, we're on the verge of an energy crisis here, we don't need to be spending our base load electrical consumption powering 2 billion "lighting" devices that are 5% light and 95% space heater -- especially in the dead of summer when we're running all these chillers to remove the heat that your inefficient lighting system is dumping into the space in the first place."

Because then they'd have to admit we're fighting wars for oil, and we can't do that.

No, instead they're fighting against the groundswell with such poignant arguments as "These are better" and "They'll last longer", both of which are dubious claims and depend entirely on the consumer and the end use.
 
2012-04-11 12:42:58 PM

James!: Joe Blowme: And yet this is the same gov that is forcing you to buy a $50 light bulb once they squash the incandescent competition.

/crickets...

I have never seen a light bulb that costs $50.


Some of the LED floodlights are way up there(I've seen $40-$45), but he's really just pulling shiat out of his azz...
 
2012-04-11 12:43:17 PM

Wert789: Anti-Trust action historically have a negative impact on the consumer.


That's some weapons grade DERP.
 
2012-04-11 12:45:45 PM

Kar98: Carth: Kar98: Unoriginal_Username: Kar98: Hmm? The ebook version of the book I just bought costs 12.99, and the hardcover of the same 39.99.

That's true, but the soft cover edition would run you about $10.

But the softcover isn't out yet, and it won't have colorized art, just black and white.

Was it a text book? I haven't seen a discount like that on an ebook in a longtime.

Christopher Moore - Sacre Bleu
Link (new window)


Ok, it looks like the Hardcover is $14.86 on Amazon (the same 12.99 for ebook). The $1.87 savings for printing and shipping a 487 page book just doesn't make much sense.
 
2012-04-11 12:45:46 PM
No wonder Apple products cost so damn much, what with all the shills they have to pay and all...
 
2012-04-11 12:45:54 PM

Mikey1969: Some of the LED floodlights are way up there(I've seen $40-$45), but he's really just pulling shiat out of his azz...


I was gonna say I have seen $50 light bulbs, but if you put one in your living room, your neighbors two doors down will be blinded by the light.
 
2012-04-11 12:46:14 PM
For the simple people who can not understand what the problem is.

King of the Hill
"Hank Fixes Everything"
Season 10, Episode 10
 
2012-04-11 12:46:15 PM

Mikey1969: mrmyxolodian: Mikey1969: You can get them online for free.... Many pirated books out there, and the publishers have only themselves to blame at this point.

I have heard this, but haven't really looked into it. Where does one go for this sort of thing. Or, what does one google?
I found some legit sites that you can download classics and what not. Love that, but also looking for more recent books of course.

I Google for epub, and look for torrent sites. For example, I want The Hunger Games, I search for The Hunger Games epub, and usually find it that way. Sometimes I have to refine the search and add 'torrent', and once or twice I've found sites with epubs on them that aren't torrent sites. I also sometimes go straight to torrent sites, like thepiratebay, but I have found the selection to be very sparse that way, usually the Google search gets me what I want in the first 3 results.

Epub is the Nook format, I can't remember the Amazon format off the top of my head, but I've had better luck with the epubs on my Nook than pdf's, less formatting issues, so my recommendation is to try the native format first.

Let me know if you're not familiar with torrents, and I can give you a quick rundown.


ePub is the industry standard actually (new window), Amazon just has to be freaking different and use their own proprietary format. ePubs are used on every freaking eBook reader EXCEPT Amazon. However, you can easily use calibre to convert PDFs and other non-epub formats to epub.

/has a rooted Nook Color and a Sony Touch
//only ever bought one eBook, and that's because the book is OOP except for the eBook, and not a "popular" enough title to be arred. Paid 5 bucks for it.
///all other ebooks are arred, as I already own them in paperback, or want to see if they were worth owning, as some books just feel better being read in paper format than digital format, whereas the ones already in paper format are good for long vacations.
 
2012-04-11 12:46:43 PM

sign_of_Zeta: DeaH: I'd like to see some examples of an eBook costing more than the hard cover copy. That hasn't been the case on any of the books I've seen. That said, I would be very interested to know how much of a book's hardcover cost is related to ink, paper, shipping, and so on. I suspect that eBooks have a HUGE profit margin for the publisher.

Link (new window)

It was at one point $15 for the Kindle edition when I bought the softcover.


So, not more expensive than the hardcover, but more expensive than a trade paperback. I'm not saying this isn't bad - no way should an electronic copy be more expensive than a print copy. But I still don't think any publisher is stupid enough to charge more than a hardcover.
 
2012-04-11 12:47:25 PM

Mikey1969: Joe Blowme: And yet this is the same gov that is forcing you to buy a $50 light bulb once they squash the incandescent competition.

/crickets...

Sorry dude, I have found color balanced CFLs for $1.75. They aren't forcing you to buy the $50 LED floodlights, qhuit trying to lie. I hate the forced switch also, but at least I can tell the truth about it.


As i said, ONCE they squash the incandescent competition.

/not trying to lie, just trying to fit in on FARK
//cfls give me migranes
 
2012-04-11 12:47:39 PM

sign_of_Zeta: Yeah, they were. They were forced into it. They had a different model in the way they sold books. I used to regularly get cheap ebooks from them before this collusion occurred. Then they were forced to take the publisher's deal or be knocked out of the market.


I disagree. I don't think that they were any more of a 'victim' than WalMart was with the music price fixing 6-7 years back. Amazon has the power at this point to tell the publishers to fark off, but they didn't.

I have no problem if you think they did, but I personally disagree.
 
2012-04-11 12:48:10 PM

Brandyelf: Kar98: Hmm? The ebook version of the book I just bought costs 12.99, and the hardcover of the same 39.99.

It does, but you rarely (if ever) pay the full hardcover price. I actually complained to Penguin a couple of months ago because it was $12.99 for the e-book, hardcover was $15.99. Because I'm a B&N member, it was closer to $13.50 for the hardcover (no discount on the e-book). So, for $0.51 more, I could have the actual hardcover. It's ridiculous. It's not B&N either, the book was the same price at Amazon.


Most of the time, I find the ebook version to be more valuable to me than a dead tree.
 
2012-04-11 12:48:39 PM

mrmyxolodian: DaJesus: Once I get a Roku box, or something similar, I will most likely take advantage of Prime

Are the amazon movies/tv shows that much better than netflix or do you hate netflix?


I don't have Netflix. I have an HD TV and currently the only box I have connected to it that can stream Netflix is my Wii. I don't have a Xbox 360 nor a PS3 since I game on PC. I don't have a Blu-Ray player since I am not a fan of Sony and foolishly bought a HD-DVD player.

My ideal set up would be to get rid of cable completely and use Netflix/Hulu/Amazon/Torrent to fulfill my desires, but my wife and I love live sports. I would pay at least $500 a year if I could get the Cubs and Blackhawks streamed in HD. Stupid blackouts.
 
2012-04-11 12:49:04 PM

WhyteRaven74: Joe Blowme: Have you heard of the incandescent bulbs being banned shortly?

Except they're not being banned at all.


Uh, semantics. 100W incandescent lightbulbs cannot fulfill the energy requirements, by design. It is a de facto ban.

And yes, you can get 1500-lumen (100-W-equivalent) halogens in an A13 lamp base & envelope, which "only" use 72 watts. They are "tungsten halogen incandescents" but they are not "incandescent light bulbs".

While they are available on Amazon, they cannot be e-downloaded on a Kindle, and they still require a publishing house to publish and distribute these lightbulbs. Thus their markup.
 
2012-04-11 12:49:35 PM
because ebooks are such a foundation of society. Maybe try the telcos?

Keep trying to look effective Justice Department! I guess Apple didn't pay enough protection money, huh?
 
2012-04-11 12:49:53 PM
I would just like to thank all the norms that pay retail for movies, books, games, dvds, comic books, watch commercial tv, subscribe to cable + hbo, buy ebooks etc etc etc.

Without your patronage I wouldn't be able to enjoy all that stuff for free.

So thanks.
 
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