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(The New York Times)   Prepare yourself: The Special Prosecutor in the Trayvon Martin case will release new information on the case within 72 hours   (nytimes.com) divider line 891
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2012-04-10 09:55:35 PM
Recharge the Newsflash tags!
 
2012-04-10 09:56:21 PM
And now for endless speculation about what the SP will say.
 
2012-04-10 09:59:26 PM

GAT_00: And now for endless speculation about what the SP will say.


And the trolls. Don't forget the trolls.
 
2012-04-10 10:00:06 PM
Zimmerman was abducted by aliens?
 
2012-04-10 10:01:34 PM

Runs_With_Scissors_: And the trolls. Don't forget the trolls.


DEAR. GOD. HELP. US.
 
2012-04-10 10:05:02 PM
Zimmerman was hatless, repeat, hatless.
 
2012-04-10 10:05:34 PM

kronicfeld: Zimmerman was hatless, repeat, hatless.


Alright, that was funny.
 
2012-04-10 10:09:45 PM
I have ot say that him cutting himself off from his defense team,then starting up an alternate website from the one they were setting up for him, then contacting hannity, then attempting to contact the prosecutor w/o counsel has me thinking that this cat is up to something. is he trying to poison the jury well to attempt getting a mistrial if they do bring charges?
 
2012-04-10 10:11:02 PM

Hobodeluxe: I have ot say that him cutting himself off from his defense team,then starting up an alternate website from the one they were setting up for him, then contacting hannity, then attempting to contact the prosecutor w/o counsel has me thinking that this cat is up to something. is he trying to poison the jury well to attempt getting a mistrial if they do bring charges?


No, he is just a farking major dumbass who is out of control. He knows he is in deep deep shiat.
 
2012-04-10 10:11:46 PM
ENOUGH FOR ONE DAY!
 
2012-04-10 10:14:33 PM

Hobodeluxe: I have ot say that him cutting himself off from his defense team,then starting up an alternate website from the one they were setting up for him, then contacting hannity, then attempting to contact the prosecutor w/o counsel has me thinking that this cat is up to something. is he trying to poison the jury well to attempt getting a mistrial if they do bring charges?


Seems pretty consistent. He didn't listen to the dispatcher, either.
 
2012-04-10 10:15:55 PM
A second vigilante has crashed into the south hoodie?

Zapruder has a movie of the shooting?
 
2012-04-10 10:16:26 PM

elffster: Hobodeluxe: I have ot say that him cutting himself off from his defense team,then starting up an alternate website from the one they were setting up for him, then contacting hannity, then attempting to contact the prosecutor w/o counsel has me thinking that this cat is up to something. is he trying to poison the jury well to attempt getting a mistrial if they do bring charges?

No, he is just a farking major dumbass who is out of control. He knows he is in deep deep shiat.


yeah but his dad is a judge and he's standing with him (despite what the lawyers and his dad himself might say) I have to believe there's a method to his madness. He's being coached. Whether it's his dad,maybe some of Hannity's legal people or a combination of both. It's meant to appear that he's gone rogue but I'm not buying it.
 
2012-04-10 10:18:19 PM

Runs_With_Scissors_: Hobodeluxe: I have ot say that him cutting himself off from his defense team,then starting up an alternate website from the one they were setting up for him, then contacting hannity, then attempting to contact the prosecutor w/o counsel has me thinking that this cat is up to something. is he trying to poison the jury well to attempt getting a mistrial if they do bring charges?

Seems pretty consistent. He didn't listen to the dispatcher, either.


The standard 'I know better than everyone else' type. Self-centered, probably an only child.

The worst release may be the most likely: "Zimmerman absolutely committed a murder, but thanks to farked up retarded ALEC laws, there is such wide opening for any person to claim self defense when it is anything but self defense that we can't legally charge him because we can't prove beyond a fragment of a doubt that it wasn't self defense. It wasn't, but thanks to ambiguous audio recordings, there's enough that we can't charge him."
 
2012-04-10 10:21:56 PM

GAT_00: Runs_With_Scissors_: Hobodeluxe: I have ot say that him cutting himself off from his defense team,then starting up an alternate website from the one they were setting up for him, then contacting hannity, then attempting to contact the prosecutor w/o counsel has me thinking that this cat is up to something. is he trying to poison the jury well to attempt getting a mistrial if they do bring charges?

Seems pretty consistent. He didn't listen to the dispatcher, either.

The standard 'I know better than everyone else' type. Self-centered, probably an only child.

The worst release may be the most likely: "Zimmerman absolutely committed a murder, but thanks to farked up retarded ALEC laws, there is such wide opening for any person to claim self defense when it is anything but self defense that we can't legally charge him because we can't prove beyond a fragment of a doubt that it wasn't self defense. It wasn't, but thanks to ambiguous audio recordings, there's enough that we can't charge him."


and then all holy hell will break loose in Sanford.
 
2012-04-10 10:25:58 PM

Hobodeluxe: GAT_00: Runs_With_Scissors_: Hobodeluxe: I have ot say that him cutting himself off from his defense team,then starting up an alternate website from the one they were setting up for him, then contacting hannity, then attempting to contact the prosecutor w/o counsel has me thinking that this cat is up to something. is he trying to poison the jury well to attempt getting a mistrial if they do bring charges?

Seems pretty consistent. He didn't listen to the dispatcher, either.

The standard 'I know better than everyone else' type. Self-centered, probably an only child.

The worst release may be the most likely: "Zimmerman absolutely committed a murder, but thanks to farked up retarded ALEC laws, there is such wide opening for any person to claim self defense when it is anything but self defense that we can't legally charge him because we can't prove beyond a fragment of a doubt that it wasn't self defense. It wasn't, but thanks to ambiguous audio recordings, there's enough that we can't charge him."

and then all holy hell will break loose in Sanford.


Which I kind of expect. 72 hours is time for the National Guard to get called up and ready. A grand jury would have sent it to trial, which would have lost thanks to said ALEC law, and then all hell breaks loose. Might as well do it sooner than later.

Could DOJ still try him?
 
2012-04-10 10:28:51 PM
This is all viral marketing for Skittles
 
2012-04-10 10:33:25 PM
Can I wear my hoodie now? Oh, wait! I'm white. Never mind!
 
2012-04-10 10:34:19 PM

Hobodeluxe: elffster: Hobodeluxe: I have ot say that him cutting himself off from his defense team,then starting up an alternate website from the one they were setting up for him, then contacting hannity, then attempting to contact the prosecutor w/o counsel has me thinking that this cat is up to something. is he trying to poison the jury well to attempt getting a mistrial if they do bring charges?

No, he is just a farking major dumbass who is out of control. He knows he is in deep deep shiat.

yeah but his dad is a judge and he's standing with him (despite what the lawyers and his dad himself might say) I have to believe there's a method to his madness. He's being coached. Whether it's his dad,maybe some of Hannity's legal people or a combination of both. It's meant to appear that he's gone rogue but I'm not buying it.


You have to agree that he has a huge case of the stupids, though. He does poorly thought out impulsive shiat, even if someone is screaming not to do it.

Look at the things that have come to light about his past as a security guard, his relationship with his GF, and even not paying much heed to the 911 dispatcher.

Sure dad might be on his ass now (since I think GZ is staying at his dads place in VA.) but he is just damn stupid.

/and Mr. Blues is gonna fark up, and he better hope that the police get there before we do..
 
2012-04-10 10:36:20 PM

NewportBarGuy: Can I wear my hoodie now? Oh, wait! I'm white. Never mind!


*insert Louis CK here*
 
2012-04-10 10:39:49 PM
I like that the DOJ is taking a hard look at this, but is completely ignoring the multiple felonies being committed every day in this case. It is a felony crime to solicit the death of another person. And if you are soliciting that death while calling the person a cracker or honkie, you have just committed a hate crime under federal law. But that doesn't count? Why? Because they aren't white?
 
2012-04-10 10:41:08 PM
I expect the discourse will become even more rational after this announcement

/*cough*
 
2012-04-10 10:41:16 PM

Hobodeluxe: is he trying to poison the jury well to attempt getting a mistrial if they do bring charges?


I'm pretty sure the media, with it's wall-to-wall 24/7 coverage of this case, has already done that job for him.

They're going to have to import Amazonian natives who have never been exposed to the modern world if he's to get a fair trial.
 
2012-04-10 11:02:38 PM

Hobodeluxe: I have ot say that him cutting himself off from his defense team,then starting up an alternate website from the one they were setting up for him, then contacting hannity, then attempting to contact the prosecutor w/o counsel has me thinking that this cat is up to something. is he trying to poison the jury well to attempt getting a mistrial if they do bring charges?


Casey Anthony did some pretty odd shiat too and look how well that turned out for her.
 
2012-04-10 11:42:50 PM

GAT_00: Hobodeluxe: GAT_00: Runs_With_Scissors_: Hobodeluxe: I have ot say that him cutting himself off from his defense team,then starting up an alternate website from the one they were setting up for him, then contacting hannity, then attempting to contact the prosecutor w/o counsel has me thinking that this cat is up to something. is he trying to poison the jury well to attempt getting a mistrial if they do bring charges?

Seems pretty consistent. He didn't listen to the dispatcher, either.

The standard 'I know better than everyone else' type. Self-centered, probably an only child.

The worst release may be the most likely: "Zimmerman absolutely committed a murder, but thanks to farked up retarded ALEC laws, there is such wide opening for any person to claim self defense when it is anything but self defense that we can't legally charge him because we can't prove beyond a fragment of a doubt that it wasn't self defense. It wasn't, but thanks to ambiguous audio recordings, there's enough that we can't charge him."

and then all holy hell will break loose in Sanford.

Which I kind of expect. 72 hours is time for the National Guard to get called up and ready. A grand jury would have sent it to trial, which would have lost thanks to said ALEC law, and then all hell breaks loose. Might as well do it sooner than later.

Could DOJ still try him?


not likely. they can only go after civil rights violations and such. this is pretty much all in the (appointed by ALEC Puppet Gov Lex Luthor) state prosecutor's hands.
 
2012-04-11 12:17:39 AM
Special Prosecutor + new information = stained dress

/old math
 
2012-04-11 12:22:31 AM
Can they finally indict his ass already so we can get on with our lives?
 
2012-04-11 12:39:16 AM
if only there were some kind of grand jury to which the prosecutor could take the case .
nothing personal, but the BEST way to wash your hands of this cluster fark is to turn it over to a grand jury and let them decide.
TADA
you look open
you look like you did your job
people trust the grand jury
and it doesnt look like a cover up

or you could grand stand
 
2012-04-11 12:54:20 AM

Sliding Carp: A second vigilante has crashed into the south hoodie?



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i havent really laughed this hard IRL in FOREVER, man. THANK YOU FOR THIS!!!!
 
2012-04-11 01:15:45 AM

Britney Spear's Speculum: Hobodeluxe: I have ot say that him cutting himself off from his defense team,then starting up an alternate website from the one they were setting up for him, then contacting hannity, then attempting to contact the prosecutor w/o counsel has me thinking that this cat is up to something. is he trying to poison the jury well to attempt getting a mistrial if they do bring charges?

Casey Anthony did some pretty odd shiat too and look how well that turned out for her.


She has to live in Ohio.

I think I would rather be prosecuted.
 
2012-04-11 01:33:35 AM
Zimmerman will be charged with manslaughter and the stand your ground won't apply since he was never in danger.
 
2012-04-11 01:39:05 AM
If they don't charge him, I really won't blame anybody if all holy hell does break loose in Sanford, there's decades of pent up anger over the two systems of justice in that town and when you send the message to teenagers that their lives don't matter to the justice system you should expect them to act accordingly. Hopefully cooler heads will prevail, but if Zimmerman walks I don't blame anybody for getting all rioty.

Hopefully justice will prevail though.

/My aunt thinks the New Black Panthers threatened Zimmerman's lawyers
//there are not enough faces to be palmed on this planet to represent that level of derp
 
2012-04-11 02:46:38 AM
OJ did it
 
2012-04-11 02:57:57 AM

borg: Zimmerman will be charged with manslaughter and the stand your ground won't apply since he was never in danger.


He stalked and confronted an unarmed youth who in turn Fred to repell a wanna-be cop who was told not to get out f the car. This was no accident. Second degree.
 
2012-04-11 02:58:56 AM
"tred to repell".

Damed Otto Korrect.
 
2012-04-11 03:11:36 AM
Rumored new evidence:t a Candle Stick has been found in the Conservatory.
 
2012-04-11 04:05:26 AM
I think a lot of people are being way too suspicious of Zimmerman's erratic conduct. You need to remember these facts:

- He is Public Enemy #1 in America right now
- He will be forever associated with the biggest racial event in the last 20 years in America.
- Tens of millions of people have already condemned him without a trial.
- Millions want him to straight away go to jail for the rest of his life, or get the needle.
- Hundreds of thousands openly say they do not want it to go to trial, but rather see him flat out killed.
- Thousands, if not tens of thousands, would kill him on sight if they had the chance.
- Even if it goes to trial, and he is found not guilty on all counts, millions will go to their graves thinking he was.
- He will have to look over his shoulder for the rest of his life, because the threats to his life are real and not gonna stop.
- He has had to flee from everything, his house, his job, his family and his friends, in order to protect them.
- He was kicked out of college for 'security reasons'
- He is living in hiding, cut out from human contacts right now.
- He is not some super trained elite assassin, he's just a regular 28 year old guy.

And if you happen to believe his version of events:

- He just killed someone in self-defense, and probably suffers from PTSD or something similar
- Not only he killed someone in self-defense, but half of the country of the country is calling him a murderer, and he cannot get any help.



So, yeah, I'd say that he's acting exactly the way it could be expected of most people under similar circumstances.
 
2012-04-11 04:08:50 AM

borg: Zimmerman will be charged with manslaughter and the stand your ground won't apply since he was never in danger.


Since both were more or less of equal weight and size, that you have an eyewitness that saw Martin on top of Zimmerman hitting him and hitting his head on the ground, and the information about past violent episodes of Martin and possession of stolen goods?

Any lawyer worth a dime would be able not only to make a case that his client felt he was in danger, but that he was in fact in danger.

The truth is very simple: based on all the publicly available information right now, there is no way that Zimmerman is not walking out a free man from a fair trial.
 
2012-04-11 04:17:44 AM

Tatsuma: The truth is very simple: based on all the publicly available information right now, there is no way that Zimmerman is not walking out a free man from a fair trial.


It's a strange case for sure but I believe you are correct. It does not appear that he has violated any laws, at least as far as Florida is concerned. What he did was boneheaded, unnecessary and racist, but illegal? Doesn't look that way. Unless the special prosecutor drops some new physical evidence or testimony, I don't see how that is going to change. I won't defend him or what he did in the slightest, but from a purely legal standpoint, he's in the clear.

As for the court of public opinion, well woe be unto him. If I were him, I'd have already fleed the country. He's farked. Perhaps rightfully so, perhaps not, but he's quite farked.
 
2012-04-11 04:24:40 AM

nekom: It's a strange case for sure but I believe you are correct. It does not appear that he has violated any laws, at least as far as Florida is concerned. What he did was boneheaded, unnecessary and racist, but illegal? Doesn't look that way. Unless the special prosecutor drops some new physical evidence or testimony, I don't see how that is going to change. I won't defend him or what he did in the slightest, but from a purely legal standpoint, he's in the clear.


Can you clarify what he did that was boneheaded? If his version of the story is true, then:

1 - He was on neighborhood watch patrol
2 - There had been break-ins in the area
3 - He saw a suspect and called 911
4 - While on the line, he started to follow him
5 - He was told not to, then returned to his car

I would say that, if this is indeed what happened, nothing there was 'boneheaded or unncessary', but rather he was doing everything he should have been doing.


As for the racist angle, how was that racist? As per the 911 tape, he could not see the race of the hooded man at first, and only brought it up after he was asked by the 911 dispatcher about it did he say 'African-American, I think'.

The whole reason he called was because he claimed to have seen a man in a hoodie at night, behaving erratically and looking at every houses in a suspicious way. And while on the phone with the police, claims that this person started to flee the scene.

Again, I don't see how this was motivated by race, unless he lied about every single thing, including on the 911 tape.

nekom: As for the court of public opinion, well woe be unto him. If I were him, I'd have already fleed the country. He's farked. Perhaps rightfully so, perhaps not, but he's quite farked.


Well, that much is true.
 
2012-04-11 04:36:19 AM

Tatsuma: Can you clarify what he did that was boneheaded? If his version of the story is true, then:

1 - He was on neighborhood watch patrol
2 - There had been break-ins in the area
3 - He saw a suspect and called 911
4 - While on the line, he started to follow him
5 - He was told not to, then returned to his car

I would say that, if this is indeed what happened, nothing there was 'boneheaded or unncessary', but rather he was doing everything he should have been doing.


Well, I don't fully believe his version of the events, but assuming for the sake of argument that's how it went down, he still had no reason to be suspicious or follow the teen in the first place. He was told not to follow him, granted not ordered by an officer of the law but suggested by an emergency dispatcher, and he followed anyway for a time, eventually returning to his car. I don't know about you, but if someone is following me around, I consider that provocative.

What we DON'T know and probably never will is exactly what started the confrontation. Did the kid turn around and proceed to beat the shiat out of him as he was trying to return to his car? Maybe he did. If he did, well then his self defense claim is probably valid in the eyes of the law, however it's not what I would call an unprovoked attack.

All I'm saying is that none of this needed to happen, and Zimmerman was, in my opinion, an idiot sticking his nose where it didn't belong.
 
2012-04-11 05:02:27 AM
That gives me less than three days to finish screen printing my "Race Wars 2012" tee shirts.
 
2012-04-11 05:44:25 AM
Weird, I didn't know Zimmerman was a Jewish name.

/runs
 
2012-04-11 05:45:01 AM
so much this

(MSNBC) News Zimmerman takes the law into his own hands. Again (978) (+1)

and again...

this news was in the last racism rant threadtm
 
2012-04-11 05:45:50 AM

nekom: All I'm saying is that none of this needed to happen, and Zimmerman was, in my opinion, an idiot sticking his nose where it didn't belong.


this seems undeniable. Lets watch people deny it!
 
2012-04-11 05:45:56 AM
I feel like I cannot discuss this case with anyone in person. If I say "let us wait until the autopsy shows the angle of the gunshots and whether or not they are consistent with a person on top of another individual" I will be called a racist. So I choose not to. This isn't like the Casey Anthony trial, where it was obvious she killed that kid but the prosecution could not confirm it. It could very well be obvious that he acted in self defense and yet no matter what the defense proves he will be sent to jail for life (or a death sentence). Its complete bullshiat.

If the autopsy shows that he was shot defenseless then string dude up. Death sentence. If it shows that he was defending himself, then give him manslaughter at the MOST. Lets all wait and reserve judgement.

Not going to happen, though. When you have a ton of black celebrities like Al Sharpton claming it was a hate crime, and blaming a white man (who is as much of a white man as Obama is) then this shiat will never be talked about legitimately.

The only thing I know for sure is that this is white against black race baiting, instead of what it really is, which is a man shot another man and there are varying degrees of responsibility until the facts come out.
 
2012-04-11 05:47:14 AM

Ed Finnerty: That gives me less than three days to finish screen printing my "Race Wars 2012" tee shirts.hoodies


Fixed.

Do you take PayPal?
 
2012-04-11 05:51:11 AM

Epiphany: This isn't like the Casey Anthony trial, where it was obvious she killed that kid but the prosecution could not confirm it.


... Actually, it's the opposite. It's obvious, beyond any doubt whatsoever, by admission, witness accounts, and so forth that Zimmerman killed this kid; the circumstances differ, accounts differ, and he may or may not be guilty of murder. In the Casey Anthony trial, it was pretty much proven that the child died under her care, and she covered it up (at the VERY least), but there was no murder "weapon," no admission of a murder, etc; in her case, she should have clearly been convicted of some sort of manslaughter or negligent homicide, or a similar crime, but they obviously could not prove that it was a "murder."
 
2012-04-11 05:51:23 AM

nekom: but assuming for the sake of argument that's how it went down, he still had no reason to be suspicious or follow the teen in the first place.


But see, that is just false. He absolutely had reasons to be suspicious. He is part of the neighborhood watch, and there have been break-ins reported in that area. He had reasons to call the cops and follow him in his car.

On foot? I will grant that no, he should not have gotten out of his car, as the 911 dispatcher told him.

nekom: e was told not to follow him, granted not ordered by an officer of the law but suggested by an emergency dispatcher, and he followed anyway for a time, eventually returning to his car.


Based on that 911 tape and the rapid pace of events right after he hung up, he followed him for 30 seconds to a minute before returning to his car.

nekom: I don't know about you, but if someone is following me around, I consider that provocative.


You might consider it provocative, but it does not, in any way, give you any rights to start a confrontation and physically assault that person.

nekom: . Did the kid turn around and proceed to beat the shiat out of him as he was trying to return to his car? Maybe he did. If he did, well then his self defense claim is probably valid in the eyes of the law, however it's not what I would call an unprovoked attack.


And you would be wrong. If someone talks on the phone and follows you for a minute, then returns to his car, it is ABSOLUTELY an unprovoked attack to run after him and assault him.

nekom: All I'm saying is that none of this needed to happen, and Zimmerman was, in my opinion, an idiot sticking his nose where it didn't belong.


Again, not just some random citizen, but part of the neighborhood watch while on patrol.
 
2012-04-11 05:53:07 AM

nekom: Tatsuma: Can you clarify what he did that was boneheaded? If his version of the story is true, then:

1 - He was on neighborhood watch patrol
2 - There had been break-ins in the area
3 - He saw a suspect and called 911
4 - While on the line, he started to follow him
5 - He was told not to, then returned to his car

I would say that, if this is indeed what happened, nothing there was 'boneheaded or unncessary', but rather he was doing everything he should have been doing.

Well, I don't fully believe his version of the events, but assuming for the sake of argument that's how it went down, he still had no reason to be suspicious or follow the teen in the first place. He was told not to follow him, granted not ordered by an officer of the law but suggested by an emergency dispatcher, and he followed anyway for a time, eventually returning to his car. I don't know about you, but if someone is following me around, I consider that provocative.

What we DON'T know and probably never will is exactly what started the confrontation. Did the kid turn around and proceed to beat the shiat out of him as he was trying to return to his car? Maybe he did. If he did, well then his self defense claim is probably valid in the eyes of the law, however it's not what I would call an unprovoked attack.

All I'm saying is that none of this needed to happen, and Zimmerman was, in my opinion, an idiot sticking his nose where it didn't belong.


This is the most balanced, level headed post I've read about this whole terrible situation. Thank You. I'm going to quote and bold it.
 
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