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(The New York Times)   Sony discovers that making products that are crap can result in a $6.4 billion loss   (nytimes.com) divider line 110
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2012-04-10 09:18:23 PM
Finally!

They have been selling crap for decades, on the reputation of the stuff from the 70's...
 
2012-04-10 09:21:07 PM
That and the fact that they lock their hardware up tighter than Apple.

PS3 still doesn't have a functional browser. Screw 'em.
 
2012-04-10 10:12:07 PM

sno man: , on the reputation of the stuff from the 70's...


Their stuff from the 80s was still good. I had a Sony Sports Walkman that was damn near indestructable.
 
2012-04-10 10:17:38 PM
To me, the Sony name no longer means quality. I have had/seen waaaay too many Sony products that have failed. Yet the Sony name still seems to have a higher price tag. I would actually AVOID Sony as a brand if given the choice.
 
2012-04-10 10:26:25 PM

sno man: They have been selling crap for decades, on the reputation of the stuff from the 70's...


Actually, Sony products are usually farkin' good. My PS3 is AMAZING. Sony electronics like TVs and such do have awesome pictures and shelf lives.

But they like to lock all their shiat down and use proprietary formats, as far back as Betamax.


Sony understands engineering, but not consumers.
 
2012-04-10 10:33:45 PM
Utter crap. It's just a fan boy brand like Apple.
 
2012-04-10 10:36:56 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: That and the fact that they lock their hardware up tighter than Apple.

PS3 still doesn't have a functional browser. Screw 'em.


It's still far superior to the web browsing experience on the Xbox.
 
2012-04-10 10:38:11 PM
If they would split the hardware from the entertainment divisions, they might stop being psychotic and could realize profits, but that's not going to happen.

It's too bad Sony. I've bought a lot of your hardware and gear, but never again.
 
2012-04-10 10:40:36 PM
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2012-04-10 10:44:46 PM
Most people in the world would be shocked at the insane wastefulness and stupidity of Japanese corporate culture. The lifetime employment system creates a totally de-incentivized work environment where laziness is rampant, creativity is squashed, and merit-based promotion is difficult or impossible for people who don't start working at the company right out of college. The future Mrs. ThunderPelvis works in one of these joints and is constantly bringing home stories of astonishing assholery and incompetence from her superiors and coworkers.

/Also, f*ck Sony. I hope they go bankrupt.
 
2012-04-10 10:47:19 PM

doglover: sno man: They have been selling crap for decades, on the reputation of the stuff from the 70's...

Actually, Sony products are usually farkin' good. My PS3 is AMAZING. Sony electronics like TVs and such do have awesome pictures and shelf lives.

But they like to lock all their shiat down and use proprietary formats, as far back as Betamax.


Sony understands engineering, but not consumers.


Sony's big problem is that they have to keep the assholes that run their movie studio and record label happy, which leads to stupid crap like rootkits on CDs and ATRAC.

That said, the PS3 is pretty good when it comes to not being terribly proprietary. The hard drive is easily swappable with an off the shelf laptop drive, instead of needing a special drive like the Xbox. The controllers are also standard bluetooth as well, and don't need special charging kits. It's also really good about supporting DLNA streaming. Overall, its a really good console about not nickel and diming you.
 
2012-04-10 10:48:55 PM

Mad_Radhu: the PS3 is pretty good when it comes to not being terribly proprietary.


Well as long as it's not bricked by a software update. And a lot of people still haven't forgiven Sony over their brouhaha about people installing Linux on PS3s and their former support for a second OS.
 
2012-04-10 10:53:04 PM
Their inability to use common batteries for cameras and such, turned me off years ago.
 
2012-04-10 11:02:04 PM

Mad_Radhu: Overall, its a really good console about not nickel and diming you.


Plus the original hardware was a wet dream. It has a PS2 built in. I mean, imagine how awesome it would be if Nintendo did the same thing? A gamecube that has ports and chips for all the old systems would kill their business model, though.
 
2012-04-10 11:02:12 PM
i shy away from them nowadays... now i still sell a shiatload of their product online though...so other folks are still interested... Often joke that if i put a sony logo on a turd, someone'd buy it...
 
2012-04-10 11:02:27 PM
With Kazuo Hirai at the helm, I suppose it's possible Sony can get back to its roots as a premier hardware manufacturer, but even before Howard Stringer and his gang of media lawyers took over and raped the company, there were problems with Sony's hardware (in my experience, I've never seen a Sony optical drive last more than a few months - Audio, PC, PSX, PS2, or PS3).

Getting rid of the crappy small-minded media asshats is a start, though.

It probably won't stop the lawsuit mentality or support for the RIAA and MPAA... I suspect the media lawyer culture is far too steeped at the executive level to exorcise it.
 
2012-04-10 11:03:30 PM
Sony's stuff is hit or miss.

When you get something that is good, it's really good. Great features, long life, excellent quality. I had a PC from around 2000 that lasted a good 10 years. It never had a problem and I finally tossed it because it just couldn't be upgraydded any further.

But when the stuff is bad, it's really bad. Broken out of the box, random crashes, flimsy casing. I've seen at least half a dozen friends toss their Sony televisions after only a couple years of use because the pixels were dying or the tuner had died.

Worse, a lot of their stuff is really unintuitive to use. Too much feature bloat without any sort of attempt to streamline the UI. Half that cutting edge stuff they pack into their products is half-assed and liable to be out of commission in a year. But when the things work as expected, Sony is really a leader.
 
2012-04-10 11:09:07 PM

WhyteRaven74: sno man: , on the reputation of the stuff from the 70's...

Their stuff from the 80s was still good. I had a Sony Sports Walkman that was damn near indestructable.


okay 80's... there is radio walkman circa '84 around here that came with my wife and still works just fine. It's about 5000% bigger than my 16G nano that does that and about a week of mp3's on random...
 
2012-04-10 11:11:10 PM

doglover: sno man: They have been selling crap for decades, on the reputation of the stuff from the 70's...

Actually, Sony products are usually farkin' good. My PS3 is AMAZING. Sony electronics like TVs and such do have awesome pictures and shelf lives.

But they like to lock all their shiat down and use proprietary formats, as far back as Betamax.


Sony understands engineering, but not consumers.


We're talking about Sony that makes people play PS1 upside down, losing class action law suit on PS2's disc read error, and forcing people to return PS3 due firmware update bricking the system, right?
 
2012-04-10 11:15:09 PM

Masso: We're talking about Sony that makes people play PS1 upside down, losing class action law suit on PS2's disc read error, and forcing people to return PS3 due firmware update bricking the system, right?


Never had any of those problems with any of those systems.

We're talking about the Sony that made 4 different game systems I've owned in the past 10 years or so, all of which still work fine for me.
 
2012-04-10 11:16:49 PM

Mad_Radhu: doglover: sno man: They have been selling crap for decades, on the reputation of the stuff from the 70's...

Actually, Sony products are usually farkin' good. My PS3 is AMAZING. Sony electronics like TVs and such do have awesome pictures and shelf lives.

But they like to lock all their shiat down and use proprietary formats, as far back as Betamax.


Sony understands engineering, but not consumers.

Sony's big problem is that they have to keep the assholes that run their movie studio and record label happy, which leads to stupid crap like rootkits on CDs and ATRAC.

That said, the PS3 is pretty good when it comes to not being terribly proprietary. The hard drive is easily swappable with an off the shelf laptop drive, instead of needing a special drive like the Xbox. The controllers are also standard bluetooth as well, and don't need special charging kits. It's also really good about supporting DLNA streaming. Overall, its a really good console about not nickel and diming you.


DLNA is a joke with Sony... where is the MKV support? Oh yeah, Sony feels they'd be supporting dirty pirates if they supported MKV, just like them spurning XVID for years.

Also they took FOREVER to join the MP3 party, instead pushing their own crappy ATRAC format.

They've also actively locked out third-party controllers (still costs over $50 for a PS3 wireless controller) and when offered a chance to embrace the homebrew community (and lock out piracy) they rejected it wholesale.
 
2012-04-10 11:19:59 PM

doglover: Masso: We're talking about Sony that makes people play PS1 upside down, losing class action law suit on PS2's disc read error, and forcing people to return PS3 due firmware update bricking the system, right?

Never had any of those problems with any of those systems.

We're talking about the Sony that made 4 different game systems I've owned in the past 10 years or so, all of which still work fine for me.


I already mentioned my problems... I'll also add that I never had a PSP UMD drive last more than a few months, either. To be fair, it wasn't JUST the optical read head, but also the locking mechanism for the PSP, too, that failed.

Also gotta love Sony's "Memory Sticks" which cost a 200~400% premium over SD flash cards of similar capacity and access speed.

/Do their cameras take AA cells?
 
2012-04-10 11:20:09 PM
i3.kym-cdn.com

//no real reason
 
2012-04-10 11:22:39 PM
I have yet to come across a Sony product i've been disappointed with.

My Sony TV is farking awesome.
 
2012-04-10 11:26:17 PM
Bony.
 
2012-04-10 11:27:51 PM

snuff3r: I have yet to come across a Sony product i've been disappointed with.

My Sony TV is farking awesome.


My last one is why I'll never buy another.
 
2012-04-10 11:30:04 PM

LesserEvil: I'll also add that I never had a PSP UMD drive last more than a few months, either. To be fair, it wasn't JUST the optical read head, but also the locking mechanism for the PSP, too, that failed.


Have you considered it's the way you use it? My original PSP still works. It's got a large nearly hole in the screen where I dropped it on pavement once and it still works fine.
 
2012-04-10 11:31:25 PM
doglover: sno man: They have been selling crap for decades, on the reputation of the stuff from the 70's...

Actually, Sony products are usually farkin' good. My PS3 is AMAZING. Sony electronics like TVs and such do have awesome pictures and shelf lives.

But they like to lock all their shiat down and use proprietary formats, as far back as Betamax.


Sony understands engineering, but not consumers.


This can't be said enough. Also don't get web 2.0, social media, or synergy between their divisions. But yes, their hardware it pretty much still rock solid. Their biggest issues is transitioning to the web world.

Even the PS3 is the same. Really great piece of hardware, horrible user software and dev kits and no over arching vision.
 
2012-04-10 11:36:40 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: Sony's stuff is hit or miss.

When you get something that is good, it's really good. Great features, long life, excellent quality. I had a PC from around 2000 that lasted a good 10 years. It never had a problem and I finally tossed it because it just couldn't be upgraydded any further.

But when the stuff is bad, it's really bad. Broken out of the box, random crashes, flimsy casing. I've seen at least half a dozen friends toss their Sony televisions after only a couple years of use because the pixels were dying or the tuner had died.



Yep.

Around 10-11 years ago, I bought a sony 5-cd hifi system. It was (and still is) built perfectly, no problems in the design, everything worked intuitively, even burnt CDs worked a treat. I was so happy with this system, that I bought another for my lounge room - the only difference being that the new one was a 5-track dvd player (shut up it seemed like a good idea at the time...). Anyway, HUGE mistake. The remote never worked properly for it, and they refused to replace that for me. The dvd player worked fine, but they severely restricted the capabilities of the cd player while they were at it - no more shuffling of songs or discs, no more playing burnt copies, and the optical lead from it worked as an audio output. Why the fark would I want an audio output, when this thing was meant to be designed as a 5.1 surround player in the first place? Worst money I've ever spent.
 
2012-04-10 11:40:05 PM
Sony screwed itself by trying to be everything to everybody. Their hardware divisions and their entertainment divisions always had opposite goals. Nobody on the hardware side gave a flying goddamn about hard coding copyright protection into their gear, but the music guys screamed for it.
 
2012-04-10 11:41:24 PM
Divisional infighting is what's killing Sony & Nokia. Media vs CES, enterprise vs consumer, etc. The inability to share expertise, staff and knowledge is causing the downfall.

As mentioned, the media lawyers will laugh at the destruction of Sony CES and don't give shiat how that division does as long as they have a continuous flow of hookers and blow.
 
2012-04-10 11:48:12 PM
fark Sony. Everything bad about a Japanese mentality company without any of the good. They are a driving force behind the MPAA and RIAA as well. They need to die. Then Squae-Enix can. Then we can avoid the inevitable video game crash coming in the next 3 years.
 
2012-04-10 11:49:31 PM
There are better options available.
les-simpson.hypnoweb.net
 
2012-04-10 11:49:40 PM

Grables'Daughter: To me, the Sony name no longer means quality. I have had/seen waaaay too many Sony products that have failed. Yet the Sony name still seems to have a higher price tag. I would actually AVOID Sony as a brand if given the choice.


Gotta agree with you there. It is sad, really. I know several analysts have said this, but it is true: Sony should be in the position Apple is in. Think about it.

- They had the first portable music player (the walkman), and then the diskman. Typical of Sony, they embraced a couple of closed architecures when the industry was heading toward MP3: minidisc and memory stick. Later on they added the ability for MP3s, but it was too little too late.

- They also had the video game market, which they damn near pissed away to Microsoft with the early pricing of the PS3 (to your point about higher price tag items).

- They were making cool PCs before anyone else, but wanted WAY too much for them, with no appreciable difference in support, ability, etc. Apple beat them at this game too.

- The television and A/V became commoditized. They still wanted the premium price

- They bet big on blu-ray, which is nice and all, but the market is moving toward streaming. (Netflix, Hulu, HBO Go, etc). I still like to own physical media because I can rip and put in differnt formats, but for many people, physical media is too much of a hassle.

tl;dr version: Sony blew their lead.

/Full disclosure: Still have a Sony reciever and tv in one room.
 
2012-04-10 11:54:54 PM

LesserEvil: DLNA is a joke with Sony... where is the MKV support? Oh yeah, Sony feels they'd be supporting dirty pirates if they supported MKV, just like them spurning XVID for years.


To be fair, MKV is pretty much synonymous with pirated internet movie. Of all the MKV files in the world, I'd be willing to bet that about 6 of them are not pirated. Same goes for Xvid files.

Plus, it doesn't really matter what the heck Sony natively supports on the PS3. Just slap a media server app on your computer, and it doesn't really matter what format you download the new episodes of Sherlock in, the software will transcode it all on the fly into something your PS3 can handle.

/I love my PS3 for media playback and streaming
//It's even better now that it supports Amazon Instant Video
 
2012-04-10 11:58:37 PM
The future Mrs. ThunderPelvis

is she into tentacle porn?
 
2012-04-11 12:01:34 AM

sno man: snuff3r: I have yet to come across a Sony product i've been disappointed with.

My Sony TV is farking awesome.

My last one is why I'll never buy another.


When I was buying a new TV, I was rather underwhelmed with the Sonys, even though I loved my old Wega Trinitron. I wound up going for a Samsung 8000 series last christmas when they were closing out all of the 2011 models for about $1000 less than what the new 2012s (which have only marginally better picture quality than last year's, but with some useless new SmartTV crap added that my Xbox with Kinect can do better).
 
2012-04-11 12:06:37 AM
Mad_Radhu: That said, the PS3 is pretty good when it comes to not being terribly proprietary. The hard drive is easily swappable with an off the shelf laptop drive, instead of needing a special drive like the Xbox. The controllers are also standard bluetooth as well, and don't need special charging kits. It's also really good about supporting DLNA streaming. Overall, its a really good console about not nickel and diming you.

The hardware was decent, but the software is downright user unfriendly.

I have only had my PS3 for a few months, and haven't messed with it all that much, but I don't recall seeing several settings that I would have expected to see.

Like, how do you set it so that when you turn on the console, it automatically starts the game in the tray?

And what's with the "this game automatically saves periodically" warnings every time I start up Uncharted?

And why do I have to download a game demo, and then install the game demo before playing it.

And why are the system patches so damned big?
 
2012-04-11 12:16:25 AM
Thanks to the huge influx of really, really bad capacitors flooding the electronics market, we're all reliving the start of the Solid State Electronics industry - as in when capacitors were 'new things'.

I have ancient electronics that run stupidly hot (Amps, etc.) that will still be here and fully operational long after I'm worm food. But a modern HDTV? Holy pants, I've never seen an industry across the board plagued with QC problems that ended (the first time) in 1949.

Have to wonder what else you're getting that's 'new' and filled with Chinese caps. Someone clearly forgot that solid state used to have a sense of permanence. Now you get to drop up to two grand, and throw it away eight months later.
 
2012-04-11 12:19:40 AM
taxandspend: The same Sony that intentionally made the PS3 difficult to program for so developers could have something to do for the next 10 years.

Sony is, for all intents, anti consumer. And they are riding on their former glory with a heaping load of hubris.

Don't forget the following greatest hits.

"Most people, I think, don't even know what a rootkit is, so why should they care about it?"
- Thomas Hesse, Sony BMG's president of global digital business (responding to the outcry over Sony's DRM Rootkit spyware uncovered on its music CDs)

"It's probably too cheap..." - Ken Kutaragi, (Regarding the $499 to $599 PS3 price point)

"If you can find a PS3 anywhere in North America that's been on shelves for more than five minutes, I'll give you 1200 bucks for it." - Jack Tretton, Sony Computer Entertainment America president and CEO


"Nobody will ever use 100% of PS3's capability" - Phil Harrison, president of Sony Computer Entertainment's Worldwide Studios speaking with MTV news.

"Now, rumble I think was the last generation feature; it's not the next-generation feature. I think motion sensitivity is. And we don't see the need to do that. Having said that, there will be specific game function controllers, potentially like steering wheels that do include vibration or feedback function -- not from us but from third parties." -- Phil Harrison, president of Sony Computer Entertainment's Worldwide Studios.
 
2012-04-11 12:30:28 AM
RyansPrivates: - They had the first portable music player (the walkman), and then the diskman. Typical of Sony, they embraced a couple of closed architecures when the industry was heading toward MP3: minidisc and memory stick. Later on they added the ability for MP3s, but it was too little too late.

IIRC, they were also very early in the market with an E-book reader. But screwed it up with crazy DRM and high prices.

The friggin Sony Librie came out in 2004 (vs the Kindle coming out late 2007).

You had a 3+ year lead Sony.
 
2012-04-11 12:30:35 AM
What we're also seeing is a lot of the 'older' engineers, designers, project managers and such retiring, and what we then get is the younger set rushing in and re-invisioning the wheel. A solid case of I'm finally in the driver's seat and LOOK AT ME GOOOOOO, which more often than not, is right up their own asses.

My Father once said you can't put an old head on young shoulders. Proper process engineering, establishment of logical sequences and such was thought out years ago with systems like DEC, IBM and so on. You can see the difference in established functionality between keeping things simple with older electronics versus the modern 'You know, I really do think we need the car's onboard computer to regulate when the headlights and interior lights turn on.'

This is why your PS3 oddly loads the game (if it's in the drive) when you turn it on. Somebody, somewhere thought this would be awesome, when in reality, it kinda sucks. The older crowd didn't hand down the Why, the new team couldn't care less, and all that older knowledge dies and/or leaves with the previous team. Hell, you see this in modern gaming - look at how Activision went from great stuff in the 80s to producing absolute dreck today.

Of course older isn't necessarily better. However, those that fail to look at history and take the time to try and comprehend the why of things, will inevitably cock everything up until they themselves have that moment of clarity.

One of the old VMS guys used to have a great saying: "Those of you who think you know everything, are beginning to annoy those of us who do."

Just because you can put your dick in the pickle jar, doesn't mean you should. Just because you can pack a car with more code than a modern jet, doesn't mean it's going to be a great thing. Step back, look at your end product, ask yourself how it's going to be used and perceived, and make it the best it can be. And yes, sometimes that includes not kludging it up with one-inch-dick bullshiat that serves no purpose other than to polish your own insecurities.
 
2012-04-11 12:33:35 AM
Znuh: Thanks to the huge influx of really, really bad capacitors flooding the electronics market, we're all reliving the start of the Solid State Electronics industry - as in when capacitors were 'new things'.

I have ancient electronics that run stupidly hot (Amps, etc.) that will still be here and fully operational long after I'm worm food. But a modern HDTV? Holy pants, I've never seen an industry across the board plagued with QC problems that ended (the first time) in 1949.


RoHS compliance is a son of a biatch.

// hmmm, the reflow temp of this new lead free solder is hot enough to melt some of the SMT parts. OOps.
 
2012-04-11 12:34:06 AM

lordargent: And why do I have to download a game demo, and then install the game demo before playing it.


Wait, really?

Have you never owned a computer? The other gripes are fair, and I share your pain because some of what you don't like was actually featured before updates killed it. But this? Come on, man. Game consoles are just dedicated computers. They still have to install stuff before they can run it.
 
2012-04-11 12:43:33 AM

try fect taa daa: i shy away from them nowadays... now i still sell a shiatload of their product online though...so other folks are still interested... Often joke that if i put a sony logo on a turd, someone'd buy it...


You selling it for a dollar? I'll buy a turd for a dollar. But it had better be polished. Polished by hand, with love. I gotta feel the love of the turd before I buy it.
 
2012-04-11 12:45:47 AM

SJKebab: AverageAmericanGuy: Sony's stuff is hit or miss.

When you get something that is good, it's really good. Great features, long life, excellent quality. I had a PC from around 2000 that lasted a good 10 years. It never had a problem and I finally tossed it because it just couldn't be upgraydded any further.

But when the stuff is bad, it's really bad. Broken out of the box, random crashes, flimsy casing. I've seen at least half a dozen friends toss their Sony televisions after only a couple years of use because the pixels were dying or the tuner had died.


Yep.

Around 10-11 years ago, I bought a sony 5-cd hifi system. It was (and still is) built perfectly, no problems in the design, everything worked intuitively, even burnt CDs worked a treat. I was so happy with this system, that I bought another for my lounge room - the only difference being that the new one was a 5-track dvd player (shut up it seemed like a good idea at the time...). Anyway, HUGE mistake. The remote never worked properly for it, and they refused to replace that for me. The dvd player worked fine, but they severely restricted the capabilities of the cd player while they were at it - no more shuffling of songs or discs, no more playing burnt copies, and the optical lead from it worked as an audio output. Why the fark would I want an audio output, when this thing was meant to be designed as a 5.1 surround player in the first place? Worst money I've ever spent.


I have a Sony 5-DVD/cd player, it's wonderful. Maybe that just means their QC is atrociously inconsistent.... :(
 
2012-04-11 12:59:37 AM
Oh look one of these threads. Let me blow the dust off of my Sony sucks links and text.

i52.tinypic.com

gradly.net

TsukasaK's New English Dictionary:

Sony (soh-nee)

Noun: A company known for fantastic, repeated failures
Usage: Sony got hacked again!

Verb: To fail in a fantastic and repetitive manner
Usage: I just can't quit falling off of this bike today! Sony'd again!
 
2012-04-11 01:01:40 AM
doglover: Have you never owned a computer? The other gripes are fair, and I share your pain because some of what you don't like was actually featured before updates killed it. But this? Come on, man. Game consoles are just dedicated computers. They still have to install stuff before they can run it.

Considering that I'm a programmer, yeah, I've owned a few computers.

As far as installing anything, not necessarily. It all depends on the architecture. Haven't you ever seen a windows utility that just ran straight from the EXE, no install necessary?

At the end of the day, it boils down to this.

On the XBOX 360 => I download the demo => I play the demo (there is no distinct install step).

On the PS3 => I download the demo => I install the demo => I play the demo

// threw me for a loop because I was used to the 360 method, and the first thing I did when I got the PS3 was download a bunch of demos, then wonder where the hell they went.

// also, you can set your 360 to go into low power mode after you shut it off. It leaves the network connection on to complete your downloads, then shuts itself off. I didn't see a way to do this on the PS3 (but I could have completely missed it in those unintuitive menus).
 
2012-04-11 01:18:14 AM
Count me as someone who hasn't had any issues with Sony's hardware, though I get why they're having so much trouble. They're way too proprietary, they're great with hardware but are terrible with software, which you can't make a console, TV, or sound system without having some in. Every time they make a new product they try to reinvent it, and never use anything from the previous gen.

Sony needs to learn how to update hardware while keeping what still works. They have very little idea of what the consumer wants, though hopefully they can do better without their media subsidiaries' hands up their ass all the time. Their hardware tends to be sound, it's just never quite what people want, and it's always just a bit pricier than everyone else. Higher priced equipment won't sell if it's missing capabilities people want, no matter how reliable it is.

I have a PS3, Sony TV and sound system. Turn on the PS3, which turns on the TV, which turns on the sound system. Turn on the PS3 when the TV's on, it switches to that video feed automatically. It's a neat trick, just not a system seller.
 
2012-04-11 01:18:15 AM
Sony, a while back, introduced a nifty pocket-size audio recorder, the PCM-M10. Uncharacteristically for them, it actually supports MicroSDHC cards along with their own proprietary media. I'd actually consider getting one, if I didn't already have an Olympus that does what I need. Still, I might have thought that Sony finally acquired some Clue.

Alas, that wasn't the case. Only the pro audio side of Sony gets it. For instance, note that the PS Vita not only doesn't support industry-standard flash media, it doesn't even support Sony's own goddamn Memory Sticks. That's right, it has its very own overpriced flash media format, used by nothing else.

Fark Sony.
 
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