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2012-04-10 08:44:47 PM  

nickerj1: Florida's statute doesn't explicitly define conditions for being considered "initial aggressor", it's more of a generic reference to it.


In other words, ambiguous. Like I said.
 
2012-04-10 08:45:19 PM  

Crotchrocket Slim: SkinnyHead: [DERP redacted for the benefit of people ignoring this twunt]

Nobody take this dude seriously ever again. Serialz.


Again?
 
2012-04-10 08:45:34 PM  

CygnusDarius: I like pie.


Idk whats better, pumpkin or mixed berry
 
2012-04-10 08:45:47 PM  
Oh man, this whole thing is just such a farkhead magnet.
 
2012-04-10 08:46:43 PM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Crotchrocket Slim: SkinnyHead: [DERP redacted for the benefit of people ignoring this twunt]

Nobody take this dude seriously ever again. Serialz.

Again?


Surely there's nobody left who does?
 
2012-04-10 08:46:55 PM  

MattyFridays: cameroncrazy1984:
Yeah, calling the police 41 times on suspicious black kids really does help them.

I find it hysterical that a person with a Duke screen name of all things is freaking regurgitating circumstantial facts.

How is Mike Nifong doing, BTW?


I could give less than a sh*t. What happened to the Duke Lacrosse team has nothing to do with this situation.

Please at least if you can't defend your argument keep on topic.
 
2012-04-10 08:47:04 PM  
DamnYankees [TotalFark] 2012-04-10 07:35:09 PM

The_Six_Fingered_Man: LasersHurt: Kid was walking home from the store, unarmed, in his own neighborhood. Private citizen, not security guard, follows him. At some point he gets out of his car and follows the kid on foot, confronting him. There may have been a struggle - all we know is the guy shot the kid to death.

Not his neighborhood. His dad's. He did not live there full time. He was visiting.

For the life of me I can't imagine the relevance of this correction.



It means exactly what you think it means. Trayvon wasn't really a part of the neighborhood, therefore it was ok to think he was suspsicious and ok to shoot him.

I read these posts and I wonder when some white people are going to wake up.
 
2012-04-10 08:47:16 PM  

LasersHurt: I'm curious as to what YOU think happened in the intervening minute and a half.


He was on the phone with 911. I think he stood there talking to the 911 operator as we heard him on the tape.

vygramul: How do we know that?

I mean, other than Zimmerman's word on it?


I answered this in the last post that I linked to.
 
2012-04-10 08:47:42 PM  

theflatline:
Maybe because Ma is 80 percent white,.


You don't know my family.

As a latino who has lived in San Fran, New York, Philadelphia, and the south, I have never had more racial prejudice towards me than in the north and on the west coast.

yes, southern california is more racist against hispanics than blacks (from what i've seen -- i grew up in san diego and lived up and down the coast).

the south and midwest have more racial issues with blacks.

i can't say that boston is perfect (in fact, I've seen direct evidence it isn't) but far less severe than the west coast and south.

in any case, I'm not trying to get in a pissing match over where anyone has or has not been treated with dignity. I have no defense for any area that provides an atmosphere where people feel comfortable with racism.
 
2012-04-10 08:47:47 PM  

MattyFridays: 'm not saying Zimmerman is innocent or he had fair use of self-defense. But SOMETHING happened, and he deserves a fair trial. But if you listen to most people, Zimmerman double tapped Trayvon in the back of the head and laughed about it with the cops.


But for the public pressure resulting from media coverage of this case, Zimmerman would never have had any chance of a fair trial. Think about it.
 
2012-04-10 08:48:06 PM  

nickerj1: "duty to retreat"


I don't like this phrase.

You have no duty to retreat in any sane world. It's often the wisest course of action. That doesn't mean, however, you should be required to move so much as a hair's width back if you're not doing anything wrong.
 
2012-04-10 08:48:13 PM  

Headso: you can do that by issuing a press release to the media without any of the drama. Please do not continue to call our place of business for comment on the zimmerman case, he is no longer our client. and that's a wrap.


True. I suppose we could talk about how a couple of high-profile criminal defense attorneys could be less dickish about it, but then again why not just complain about the sun being bright or water being wet?
 
2012-04-10 08:48:30 PM  

LasersHurt: I guarantee it was more than 6, I saw the list myself. And it's irrelevant whether he identified before or after being asked, I was just relating to the other poster that many of his calls did include a reference to a black person, but less than the 41 quoted by someone else.


Well then you'd lose that bet.
 
2012-04-10 08:48:45 PM  

nickerj1: Bf+: Diodorus: How ambiguous is the "Stand your Ground" law?

Waaaay to ambiguous.

Can I pick a fight and when my victim "stands his ground" and starts beating me up, can I "Stand my ground" and shoot him?

Looks like it... It will take a couple more deaths / trails to work that out... all in good time.


The problem is Florida

THIS.

and its farked up society which says its ok for someone to do what Zimmerman did.

The NRA is the group that pushed for this crap.
Florida society (and it's heightened racism) is as much as fault for buying into it.

It's not a terribly written law. It's perfectly fine.

First off, half the GED lawyers in here don't even recognize the "initial aggressor" exception to self defense exceptions, INCLUDING Florida's explicit recitation of it within the "stand-your-ground" statute.

Florida's statute doesn't explicitly define conditions for being considered "initial aggressor", it's more of a generic reference to it. But no state really defines "initial aggressor" with statute. It's more been determined by common law.

The initial aggressor clause makes sense in theory. If I notice you messing with my car, walk up to you, push you and ask you what you're doing, you retaliate with beating me with a tire iron, and I fear for my life, then "duty to retreat" kicks in before I can use lethal force in self defense legally.

If you're actually curious in educating yourself, read this piece: Link (new window)

The problem with the Trayvon Martin case is that no one knows the exact fact situation of what happened, and we can't determine who the initial aggressor is.


It's a terribly written law.

Link (new window)

Back in January, Garcia, 25, saw Pedro Roteta, 26, trying to steal the radio from his truck, which was parked outside Garcia's Miami apartment. Garcia grabbed a large knife, ran downstairs and chased Roteta for at least a block. The incident was caught on tape and showed that Garcia stabbed Roteta to death. At the time Roteta was carrying a bag with stolen radios "but no weapon other than a pocketknife, which was unopened in his pocket and which police said he never brandished."

The Herald reports that a judge threw out the charges against Garcia, citing the state's "stand your ground" law. As we reported earlier this week, the law did away with "the English Law concept of 'duty to retreat' from a situation that is dangerous outside your home." The Florida Supreme Court also decided that it should be a judge, not a jury, who decides whether to grant a suspect immunity based on the law.


That bit about "English law?" Yeah, that's your common law being thrown out with this incredibly stupid statute.

This law allowed a man to go free, immune from any prosecution (remember - the law prevents civil penalties as well), for chasing down a fleeing man and stabbing him to death over a farking radio.
 
2012-04-10 08:48:54 PM  

theflatline: Phony_Soldier: theflatline: keithgabryelski: steamingpile: WingedMonkeyRescueEffort: steamingpile: WingedMonkeyRescueEffort: B) No, we don't. Dude shot a kid, even our racists have more class than that.

I have been to boston so you cant lie to me like that.

I'm currently writing this from Allston. No lie, bro.

Considering I had more guys use racial epithets in my 1 year of working up there than my entire life in the south spent in the mountains of North GA and boondocks of central florida I would say you are full of shiat.

boston has its issues with racism. driving while black is still an offense.
and there are certain areas black people have only recently been comfortable visiting.

but one year vs. your entire life?

I've lived here for 20 years and have not seen the level of racism i've been confronted with in the south, west (where i grew up) and midwest.

Maybe because Ma is 80 percent white,.

As a latino who has lived in San Fran, New York, Philadelphia, and the south, I have never had more racial prejudice towards me than in the north and on the west coast.

I grew up (white) in South Texas and couldn't imagine being racist toward hispanics. I would have never left the house. Plus the are plenty of cute latino girls.

/Seriously, the south is not place for racists - you'd be miserable all of the time.
//Can't believe some of the racist comment I've heard in liberal norcal.
///Makes me sad :(

Exactly, when I lived in Philadelphia I kept getting asked if I was puerto rican.

When I lived in San Fran I got shiat for having a southern accent.

Except for the times when I would speak spanish and people would say "wow we never knew you were mexican".

This never happened to me in new orleans, atlanta, or Florida.


I had to call the corporate hotline on one of our directors for making overtly racist statements. I couldn't believe I was hearing this in NorCal.

I'm suspect this director isn't originally from the area, but come on.
 
2012-04-10 08:49:30 PM  
If only one of them could have been white like this guy Link (new window)
 
2012-04-10 08:50:49 PM  

YouPeopleAreCrazy:

That this is not apparently happening is what has people pissed off.


If he's charged.

And they're investigating everything they can.

But people bringing up Zimmerman's criminal past from six years ago like this has ANYTHING to do with the case is just as bad as people bringing up the public urination charges against Duke lacrosse.

Same thing with the 911 calls. He's on a neighborhood watch in a development that we have no idea what the crime statistics are. There's been break-ins, as was reported, so maybe the calls were justified.

"Oh, but he called 911 on a 9-year old girl!"

Well guess what? In my own community, we've had some property damage by 10 year old kids. They thought it would be funny to throw bricks into a vacant house. Kids can do some seriously rotten shiat, and people seem to forget that.
 
2012-04-10 08:51:02 PM  
I just want to know where the bullet entered, how it travelled, and where it exited.

I figure it was through the back of the kid's neck and out his eye socket. Zimmerman probably got knocked down, the kid got pulled down, Zimmerman got on the kid's back, and either accidentally (my guess--perhaps because the kid was swing his hands up and behind himself) or on purpose discharged a round through the kid's neck.
 
2012-04-10 08:51:11 PM  
Trayvon is no name for an IWSB.
 
2012-04-10 08:51:22 PM  

SoCalSurfer: Can fark just get a Zimmerman tag? I'm so sick of this shiat


lkthayer.files.wordpress.com
Approves
 
2012-04-10 08:51:27 PM  

UCFRoadWarrior: Unlike those talk radio conservatives you dont like....Al Sharpton has actually led to the killing of people..


mylifeofcrime.files.wordpress.com

and the Black Panthers just called for a race war....

reason.com
 
2012-04-10 08:52:01 PM  

rufus-t-firefly: Dude, he wasn't speaking to his lawyers, but spoke to SEAN FARKING HANNITY.

Add that to the fact that his judgment led him into the situation that ended in Trayvon's death, and Zimmerman is definitely guilty of having terrible farking judgment.


I think that's the one thing most everyone can agree on, whether he's guilty of any criminal wrongdoing or not, it's pretty clear that this is a man who makes poor choices in life.
 
2012-04-10 08:52:42 PM  

ChuDogg: Now if one wants to assume that Zimmerman chased down Martin for a hypothetical conclusion they want to make, that's fine. But if you want to make it a statement of fact I would like to see what exactly you have that supports that Zimmerman chased and confronted Martin. Please look at the map and tell me how Zimmerman continued to chase martin for 2 minutes on the phone with 911 yet somehow only moved down a 10-15 meter sidewalk from his truck.


How about we simply stick to the fact that Z-dawg *did* chase down M-bag, armed. Had this happened in front of his car, rather than behind a building, far from the street, it would be sensible to assume self-defense. Hell, even if it happened that Z-rilla was actively running *from* M-deep, fled behind the building, then shot M-oney, we could still get a good sense of self-defense.

But no. We know that Z-evious left his vehicle. We know Z-od made pursuit. We know that Z-orro followed what he believed to be a suspicious person on foot, against the direction of the 911 dispatcher. We know that Z-...applesauce shot M-odern to death. It is not self-defense if you make pursuit. You are not "standing your ground" if you have to actively chase the person down. Z-trip hunted M-arvolo down, no matter how you look at it. Was Z-fringe attempting some retarded form of citizen's arrest? Nobody knows. Was Z-badger simply trying to keep M-otor in view so he could relay info to the police? Possibly. Still, everything we know about the situation shows quite clearly that Z-ebra went out of his way and put both he and M-type in danger. Just for that, Z-edd deserves a broken nose and bash to the back of the head - for being pants-on-head retarded.

As for M-ikey, how should we expect him to act when a crazy guy with a gun comes after him? Apparently we expect M-train not to run and hide, or fight when obviously being followed by aforementioned crazy.

Actually, fighting a crazy guy with a gun when you're armed with nothing but the delicious rainbow of fruit flavors isn't very smart either (if he did actually resist). M-odok at the very least just Darwined himself out of the gene pool by not continuing to run very, very far away.

/and the last thing he thought about was how he never got to taste that delicious rainbow...
 
2012-04-10 08:53:05 PM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Headso: you can do that by issuing a press release to the media without any of the drama. Please do not continue to call our place of business for comment on the zimmerman case, he is no longer our client. and that's a wrap.

True. I suppose we could talk about how a couple of high-profile criminal defense attorneys could be less dickish about it, but then again why not just complain about the sun being bright or water being wet?


It's worse than dickish, as the Martin's attorney said they threw him under the bus at that presser. they made it seem like he fled and has been using erratic judgement which are two bad things to associate this guy with if you are trying to make a case that he is not guilty of anything.
 
2012-04-10 08:53:43 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: I could give less than a sh*t. What happened to the Duke Lacrosse team has nothing to do with this situation.

Please at least if you can't defend your argument keep on topic.


If you think Duke Lacrosse has nothing to do with this situation you're insane. It's the same exact trial by media, trying to whip people up into a frenzy, even using hazy racial bias lines.

There are DEFINITE parallels here.

And I've been defending my argument quite well, thank you very much.

(and my argument is that people are getting facts of the case wrong, because of the news media, and that will not lead to a fair trial for Zimmerman. Even now, the Mobs are putting the pressure to bring a case against Zimmerman even though one may not be there.)
 
2012-04-10 08:54:19 PM  

9beers: PC LOAD LETTER: Fact: Zimmerman was driving around, had a gun, was not law enforcement, and gunned down an unarmed teen 30 yards from his vehicle. That's all the information one really needs to know.

Sure it is, if you want to be a card carrying member of the mob. You have fun with that.


Your fallacy is that you think the mob is always wrong.
 
2012-04-10 08:54:24 PM  

MattyFridays: If you think Duke Lacrosse has nothing to do with this situation you're insane.


ROFL
 
2012-04-10 08:54:29 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: I just want to know where the bullet entered, how it travelled, and where it exited.

I figure it was through the back of the kid's neck and out his eye socket. Zimmerman probably got knocked down, the kid got pulled down, Zimmerman got on the kid's back, and either accidentally (my guess--perhaps because the kid was swing his hands up and behind himself) or on purpose discharged a round through the kid's neck.


Yeah I know I'm always accidentally shooting kids execution-style when I'm walking around the neighborhood with a gun.
 
2012-04-10 08:54:49 PM  

theflatline: keithgabryelski: theflatline: And please people from Ma, Wisconsonin, and other northern states where you guys hardly have any minorities need to shut the fark up.

http://boston.areaconnect.com/statistics.htm
whites: 54%

http://miamifl.areaconnect.com/statistics.htm
whites: 66%

someone needs to check their "shut the fark up".

Actually,

I got my facts from the US Census....

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/25000.html

Care to respond?

White persons, percent definition and source info White persons, percent, 2010 (a) 80.4% 72.4%
Black persons, percent definition and source info Black persons, percent, 2010 (a) 6.6% 12.6%
American Indian and Alaska Native persons, percent definition and source info American Indian and Alaska Native persons, percent, 2010 (a) 0.3% 0.9%
Asian persons, percent definition and source info Asian persons, percent, 2010 (a) 5.3% 4.8%
Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander, percent definition and source info Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander, percent, 2010 (a) 0.0% 0.2%
Persons reporting two or more races, percent definition and source info Persons reporting two or more races, percent, 2010 2.6% 2.9%
Persons of Hispanic or Latino origin, percent definition and source info Persons of Hispanic or Latino origin, percent, 2010 (b) 9.6% 16.3%
White persons not Hispanic, percent definition and source info White persons not Hispanic, percent, 2010


sure, i was talking about boston, where i live. massachusetts is a large state, and yes, white in the middle and west.

i also picked another city of reasonable size in florida: miami.

if you want to compare full states (ma vs. fl), it looks like there is a 5% difference.
maybe we can consider that significant, maybe we can't.

parry parry THRUST
 
2012-04-10 08:55:00 PM  

MattyFridays: If you think Duke Lacrosse has nothing to do with this situation you're insane. It's the same exact trial by media, trying to whip people up into a frenzy, even using hazy racial bias lines.


No it isn't.

In the Lacrosse case, a woman claimed rape without any evidence.

In this case a man SHOT AN UNARMED TEENAGER.

Stop talking now, you're embarrassing yourself
 
2012-04-10 08:55:17 PM  
Of course there is NBC editing the call and showing pics of Trayvon as a child.

Not that he should of been killed but it was a slow news month so someone had to get the presses rolling.
 
2012-04-10 08:55:37 PM  
FTFA: Uhrig said Zimmerman had called Fox News talk show host Sean Hannity, which also worried them.

Who could have ever guessed that a gun-totin', paranoid vigilante racist with bad judgment would be a Sean Hannity fan?
 
2012-04-10 08:56:33 PM  

shivashakti: Him being able to go home probably has nothing to do with his ethnicity or race and probably everything to do with having a retired judge for a father.


From another state. Doubtful.

Have you seen this?
------

In late 2010 and early 2011 George Zimmerman, the Hispanic Sanford, Fla., man who shot and killed a black boy Trayvon Martin, publicly demanded discipline in a race-related beating case for at least two of the police officers who cleared him after the Feb. 26 altercation, according to records obtained by The Daily Caller.

In a letter (new window) to Seminole County NAACP president Turner Clayton, a member of the Zimmerman family wrote that George was one of "very few" in Sanford who publicly condemned the "beating of the black homeless man Sherman Ware on Dec. 4, 2010, by the son of a Sanford police officer," who is white.

TheDC has confirmed the identity of the Zimmerman family member who wrote the letter but is withholding that person's specific identity out of concern for the family's safety.

On Dec. 4, 2010, Justin Collison, the son of Sanford Police Department Lt. Chris Collison, was involved in a bar fight at The Wet Spot bar in Sanford. During the fight, which moved from indoors to outdoors, the younger Collison struck Ware.

Ware suffered a concussion, and paramedics took him to the hospital shortly after police arrived on the scene. Collison was not arrested or charged, even though an onlooker had video evidence of his actions.

No arrest was made and no action taken for weeks. Documents and emails now show police officers and officials from the office of the State Attorney operated with extreme caution because Collison's father was a high-ranking law enforcement officer.

In the final days of 2010, an Orlando television station aired the video footage (new window) of Justin Collison beating Ware. Collison turned himself in six days later, on Jan. 3, 2011. He agreed to pay for Ware's medical bills and make donations to nonprofit organizations, including the NAACP.

--------

The source is Zimmerman's family. But the case did exist, as it is indexed in Google. I can't find Zimmerman's involvement indexed anywhere, however, but if true, the police would have been very familiar with Zimmerman. As the Police Chief Tooley, ironically Zimmerman was trying to get him to step down for his inaction to prosecute a cop's son. A few months later, Tooley steps down over the Zimmerman case. I've heard elsewhere that some of the cops involved were the first on the scene that night.
 
2012-04-10 08:56:45 PM  

MattyFridays: YouPeopleAreCrazy:

That this is not apparently happening is what has people pissed off.

If he's charged.

And they're investigating everything they can.

But people bringing up Zimmerman's criminal past from six years ago like this has ANYTHING to do with the case is just as bad as people bringing up the public urination charges against Duke lacrosse.

Same thing with the 911 calls. He's on a neighborhood watch in a development that we have no idea what the crime statistics are. There's been break-ins, as was reported, so maybe the calls were justified.

"Oh, but he called 911 on a 9-year old girl!"

Well guess what? In my own community, we've had some property damage by 10 year old kids. They thought it would be funny to throw bricks into a vacant house. Kids can do some seriously rotten shiat, and people seem to forget that.


Well then. Lock and Load.
 
2012-04-10 08:57:03 PM  

Weaver95: Muta: Mark 10:19
19Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.

And shepherds we shall be, for thee my Lord for thee, power hath descended forth from thy hand, that our feet may swiftly carry out thy command. We shall flow a river forth to thee, and teeming with souls shall it ever be. In nomine Patris, et Filii, et Spiritus Sancti.



And we quoth Vannila Ice no more!

/hahaha
//sry, I had to Weaver
///Where are my damn pics, Weaver??
 
2012-04-10 08:57:46 PM  
Tdog!!!' TDOG!!!!!

I'm never going to see my baby again. I only have one surviving daughter, shanequa! Oh loorrdd have mercy!

I can remember it now, he was just a young boy. Not a day over 12 when I caught him casing his first neighborhood. He was so cute and into it, he even was able to hide his car Jimmy's perfectly without any bulges showing under his size XXL tshirt.

Now he's dead! He's dead and whitey is to blame!!
 
2012-04-10 08:57:57 PM  
Aw, man. I kicked off last night's flamewar with my webpage submission. Why wasn't I informed?
 
2012-04-10 08:59:00 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: In this case a man SHOT AN UNARMED TEENAGER.

Stop talking now, you're embarrassing yourself



You certainly are. If you want to go full derp, you should have said "unarmed teenager carrying Skittles".

Never mind the fact that being unarmed is irreverent, it's too late for the mob to stop now.
 
2012-04-10 08:59:25 PM  

ChuDogg: The source is Zimmerman's family. But the case did exist, as it is indexed in Google. I can't find Zimmerman's involvement indexed anywhere, however, but if true, the police would have been very familiar with Zimmerman. As the Police Chief Tooley, ironically Zimmerman was trying to get him to step down for his inaction to prosecute a cop's son. A few months later, Tooley steps down over the Zimmerman case. I've heard elsewhere that some of the cops involved were the first on the scene that night.


No, I did not see that! Thanks! Interesting.
 
2012-04-10 08:59:48 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: MattyFridays: If you think Duke Lacrosse has nothing to do with this situation you're insane. It's the same exact trial by media, trying to whip people up into a frenzy, even using hazy racial bias lines.

No it isn't.

In the Lacrosse case, a woman claimed rape without any evidence.

In this case a man SHOT AN UNARMED TEENAGER.

Stop talking now, you're embarrassing yourself



Hmmm. Everyone seemed to have the Duke Lacrosse team convicted of raping the woman. There was pages and pages of people convicting the players ON THIS VERY WEBSITE. Only after months and months and MONTHS of discourse did they get finally vindicated.

So let's say Trayvon jumped Zimmerman and was pounding him. If someone I don't know is pummeling me and I don't know if they have a knife or something worse or there's a potential of me getting curbstomped or worse, then yes, I could see where self-defense would figure into play.

Please stop acting like Zimmerman simply shot Martin in cold blood because you DON'T know that's what happened.
 
2012-04-10 08:59:50 PM  

9beers: WingedMonkeyRescueEffort: Now I knows you be trollin

How many black children have you mentored?


Are you a gambler? Because you have no idea how that question would turn out. I would have laughed my ass off if you asked me that, being a former teacher in East Harlem.
 
2012-04-10 08:59:51 PM  

MattyFridays: Here's the biggest problem I have with all of this.

Zimmerman has basically been convicted by the court of public opinion and there's no way he'll get a fair trial if he does get charged with something.

The same thing happened in the Ravi Dharun case with Tyler Clementi. There is no way, no how you can tell me he convicted a hate crime... beyond a shadow of a doubt. The very fact there was so much public debate whether it was a hate crime or not SHOWS this.

Ravi was guilty of violating Tyler's privacy, and he should get in trouble and go to jail. But was it a hate crime? Not bloody likely.


blogs.riverfronttimes.com

Would like a word.
 
2012-04-10 09:00:16 PM  
I bet hitler would have eaten skittles too if they had been around in 1940s Germany. Does that make him innocent?
 
2012-04-10 09:00:19 PM  

keithgabryelski: theflatline: keithgabryelski: theflatline: And please people from Ma, Wisconsonin, and other northern states where you guys hardly have any minorities need to shut the fark up.

http://boston.areaconnect.com/statistics.htm
whites: 54%

http://miamifl.areaconnect.com/statistics.htm
whites: 66%

someone needs to check their "shut the fark up".

Actually,

I got my facts from the US Census....

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/25000.html

Care to respond?

White persons, percent definition and source info White persons, percent, 2010 (a) 80.4% 72.4%
Black persons, percent definition and source info Black persons, percent, 2010 (a) 6.6% 12.6%
American Indian and Alaska Native persons, percent definition and source info American Indian and Alaska Native persons, percent, 2010 (a) 0.3% 0.9%
Asian persons, percent definition and source info Asian persons, percent, 2010 (a) 5.3% 4.8%
Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander, percent definition and source info Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander, percent, 2010 (a) 0.0% 0.2%
Persons reporting two or more races, percent definition and source info Persons reporting two or more races, percent, 2010 2.6% 2.9%
Persons of Hispanic or Latino origin, percent definition and source info Persons of Hispanic or Latino origin, percent, 2010 (b) 9.6% 16.3%
White persons not Hispanic, percent definition and source info White persons not Hispanic, percent, 2010

sure, i was talking about boston, where i live. massachusetts is a large state, and yes, white in the middle and west.

i also picked another city of reasonable size in florida: miami.

if you want to compare full states (ma vs. fl), it looks like there is a 5% difference.
maybe we can consider that significant, maybe we can't.

parry parry THRUST


Florida has 8,269,407 hispanics.
Mass has 500,298 hispanics

Florida has 2,999,862 blacks
Mass 434,398 blacks

bit of a difference huh?
 
2012-04-10 09:00:20 PM  

theflatline: Of course there is NBC editing the call and showing pics of Trayvon as a child.

Not that he should of been killed but it was a slow news month so someone had to get the presses rolling.


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True dat. The news was coming close to reporting on the White-African guy in DC. Thank god for this distraction.
 
2012-04-10 09:00:59 PM  
Wonder how long it's going to be until Zimmy eats a bullet and then his right wing defenders blame the "racist liberal media" for it.
 
2012-04-10 09:01:12 PM  
All of you arguing about guilt / fault are amusing me to no end.

You have no control, it us up to the justice system. Of course that is unless it does go to trial and you get selected as a juror, then of course you have control.

As far as the racism is concerned: duh. It'll never go away, it will always exist to some extent.

As far as the riots to come: duh. racists will find a reason to riot no matter the outcome.

Let's take the fluoride out of the water supply and replace it with Prozac. Chill.
 
2012-04-10 09:01:21 PM  

Headso: LouDobbsAwaaaay: Headso: you can do that by issuing a press release to the media without any of the drama. Please do not continue to call our place of business for comment on the zimmerman case, he is no longer our client. and that's a wrap.

True. I suppose we could talk about how a couple of high-profile criminal defense attorneys could be less dickish about it, but then again why not just complain about the sun being bright or water being wet?

It's worse than dickish, as the Martin's attorney said they threw him under the bus at that presser. they made it seem like he fled and has been using erratic judgement which are two bad things to associate this guy with if you are trying to make a case that he is not guilty of anything.


I'm thinking they made an epic facepalm after the website and the Hannity call didn't help. Seriously, you can't work with a client like that. He made his lawyers look like idiots which perhaps they are, but you can't do that.
 
2012-04-10 09:01:33 PM  

rufus-t-firefly: The incident was caught on tape and showed that Garcia stabbed Roteta to death. At the time Roteta was carrying a bag with stolen radios "but no weapon other than a pocketknife, which was unopened in his pocket and which police said he never brandished."


Forgot to mention that Roteta had swung the bag of stolen radios at him prior to being stabbed. An expert witness testified that if the bag connected to his head, he could have suffered serious brain damage or death. Thus, the judge dismissed the case as it was rightfully self defense.

Wonder why you didn't mention that part?

A real mystery, indeed.
 
2012-04-10 09:03:17 PM  

MattyFridays:
And they're investigating everything they can.


Now they are. Without all this publicity, would they have? Or would it have been just another dead black kid?

Well guess what? In my own community, we've had some property damage by 10 year old kids. They thought it would be funny to throw bricks into a vacant house. Kids can do some seriously rotten shiat, and people seem to forget that.

I know that all too well. We had to call the cops on a 7 year old that repeatedly threw rocks at our house. Pinged a couple off the front room window. If it had broken the window, that is a felony in VA. "missiles into an occupied dwelling".

Kids can be evil. But by far, not most of them. Not even most teenagers.
Adults can be evil, too.
 
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