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2012-04-11 12:02:16 AM  

sseye: zinny: If Zimmerman wasn't painted as white, would any of this really be an issue?

Let's make this simple: yes.

Now, how did they "paint him as white"? Did they lighten his skin or something? I saw his pic and it's pretty obvious there's more to his ethnicity than his last name. I'm not sure what difference you think it's supposed to make outside the fever swamps of your brain.


NYT referred to him as a "White Hispanic".
Odd that they rarely use that descriptor.
 
2012-04-11 12:03:59 AM  

sseye:

1) Kid walking with skittles.
2) Guy with gun calls 911 and follows kid. Warned not to by 911 dispatcher.
3) Kid dead.

Do you live in some other universe where those aren't the facts?


He was "warned not to"? That is the fact in your universe? What exactly was the "warning".
Interesting.
 
2012-04-11 12:04:05 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: topcon: Can't wait to see the 3,000 response final thread on this when it's finally decided he's not going to be arrested.

I can't wait to see your outrage when he actually is arrested.


The likelihood of that gets slimmer each day.
 
2012-04-11 12:04:16 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: NYT referred to him as a "White Hispanic".
Odd that they rarely use that descriptor.


It's a conspiracy.
 
2012-04-11 12:04:26 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: cameroncrazy1984: theflatline: Zimmerman was the guy who was an active member helping the black community... But you know I guess that news doesnt float up to the land of the buffalo wings.

Yeah, calling the police 41 times on suspicious black kids really does help them.

oh look you are lying again.

Zimmerman made 46 calls over a period of 11 years to 911, not the police. Are you saying that 41 of them were about suspicious black kids? Are you just being a racist again or do you have a citation?


The City of Sanford posted a "George Zimmerman 911 Call History" listing 46 event reports naming George Zimmerman as the caller between 2004 and the night of the shooting (pop n' lock)
 
2012-04-11 12:05:16 AM  

keithgabryelski: zimmerman seem to be the only person making poor decisions -- and those poor decisions lead to the death of Martin.


Martin violently attacking somebody for no reason led to his death.
 
2012-04-11 12:08:24 AM  

sseye: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: sseye: s2s2s2: eyehate: This is so poorly handled by the media.

Law enforcement

The media is why you think this was handled poorly by the police.

Right, it's just the damn media twisting our minds and making us think there's something wrong with a wanna be cop chasing down a kid who was doing nothing and shooting him and the cops just saying "well, he said the kid fought him, what can we do except take his word for it". That's the real problem here, the damn media.

The fact that that's your understanding of the facts is a pretty harsh indictment of the media in itself.

That's the fact's understanding of the facts.

1) Kid walking with skittles.
2) Guy with gun calls 911 and follows kid. Warned not to by 911 dispatcher.
3) Kid dead.

Do you live in some other universe where those aren't the facts?


So I guess by your reasoning there is no chance of the two them getting into some sort of disagreement resulting in the death of the kid perhaps by his own undoing if you will?
 
2012-04-11 12:08:45 AM  

stonelotus: Could someone please explain this whole "race" thing to me again? Zimmerman is half white so he gets called white. Obama is half white and he gets called black. One of the Tulsa shooters is Native American and he gets called white. So was Seung-Hui Cho Korean or white?


Zimmerman is Halfspanic.

Obama is Halfrican.

Tulsa shooter is eligible for tribal benifits.
 
2012-04-11 12:10:53 AM  

ZeroCorpse: Prediction: Zimmerman will stick his gun in his own mouth and pull the trigger before the year is over.


Let's hope not. One death is plenty from this particular incident. I'd much rather just see him grow the hell up.
 
2012-04-11 12:11:04 AM  

sseye: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: sseye: s2s2s2: eyehate: This is so poorly handled by the media.

Law enforcement

The media is why you think this was handled poorly by the police.

Right, it's just the damn media twisting our minds and making us think there's something wrong with a wanna be cop chasing down a kid who was doing nothing and shooting him and the cops just saying "well, he said the kid fought him, what can we do except take his word for it". That's the real problem here, the damn media.

The fact that that's your understanding of the facts is a pretty harsh indictment of the media in itself.

That's the fact's understanding of the facts.

1) Kid walking with skittles.
2) Guy with gun calls 911 and follows kid. Warned not to by 911 dispatcher. And complies, stating the got away.
3) Kid dead.

Do you live in some other universe where those aren't the facts?


Yup, thos are the facts.

Don't forget the part where Trayvon turns and moves toward Zimmerman, with his hand in his waistband.

Was Trayvon pretending he had a gun?

Check the transcripts.
 
2012-04-11 12:11:12 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: sseye: zinny: If Zimmerman wasn't painted as white, would any of this really be an issue?

Let's make this simple: yes.

Now, how did they "paint him as white"? Did they lighten his skin or something? I saw his pic and it's pretty obvious there's more to his ethnicity than his last name. I'm not sure what difference you think it's supposed to make outside the fever swamps of your brain.

NYT referred to him as a "White Hispanic".
Odd that they rarely use that descriptor.


Odd because they often report on Hispanics named Zimmerman? Or because you would prefer that they called him "Hispanic" without explaining why his name isn't? Or because you've not been outside mom's basement long enough to fill out various kinds of government, employment, or educational forms where being "white" does not exclude being Hispanic? Or just because you're really so sheltered you don't know that people who are "Hispanic" aren't necessarily brown?
 
2012-04-11 12:14:01 AM  

tonguedepressor: sseye: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: sseye: s2s2s2: eyehate: This is so poorly handled by the media.

Law enforcement

The media is why you think this was handled poorly by the police.

Right, it's just the damn media twisting our minds and making us think there's something wrong with a wanna be cop chasing down a kid who was doing nothing and shooting him and the cops just saying "well, he said the kid fought him, what can we do except take his word for it". That's the real problem here, the damn media.

The fact that that's your understanding of the facts is a pretty harsh indictment of the media in itself.

That's the fact's understanding of the facts.

1) Kid walking with skittles.
2) Guy with gun calls 911 and follows kid. Warned not to by 911 dispatcher.
3) Kid dead.

Do you live in some other universe where those aren't the facts?

So I guess by your reasoning there is no chance of the two them getting into some sort of disagreement resulting in the death of the kid perhaps by his own undoing if you will?


It doesn't farking matter. One of them had a gun and confronted and killed the other one. There is no disagreement that justifies that.

Grow the fark up.
 
2012-04-11 12:14:04 AM  

9beers: keithgabryelski: zimmerman seem to be the only person making poor decisions -- and those poor decisions lead to the death of Martin.

Martin violently attacking somebody for no reason led to his death.


Pure speculation.
 
2012-04-11 12:14:14 AM  

ChuDogg: if Zimmerman did continue to walk down the sidewalk towards to rear entrance, as he thought Martin fled to. That still doesn't justify being assaulted. Nobody deserves to have their head bashed in hoping one of the hits doesn't lead to brain damage just because they made a bad idea in an evaluated the risk of the situation.


if i were to sum up everything -- i think it could be in response to this quoted statement.

You seem overly concerned about the guy that shot and killed a kid instead of the rights of the kid that is dead under pretty odd circumstances -- everyone here should at least be able to say "a trial seems like a reasonable next step"

even if Martin is at fault for his own death and the prosecutor was correct to drop charges -- gosh, the circumstances are just too odd for there not to be some outrage.

and if you are outraged by the people that are asking WHY ISN"T THERE A TRIAL -- then i just don't understand where you'd draw any line.
 
2012-04-11 12:14:29 AM  

9beers: NightOwl2255: Your own words have proved beyond any doubt you are a racist. The least you can do it own it.

Where do I mention Martin's race in those posts?


Is that the "Rumpelstiltskin defense"? If you don't mention anyone's race, you can't POSSIBLY be racist....

What kind of argument is that?
 
2012-04-11 12:16:32 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: If that's the case, why are so many remaining so willfully ignorant about this issue?


...you mean kinda like you are? No offense man, you're VASTLY more sane than most of the other Zimmerman apologists, but even you just can't seem to get it through your head that if Zimmerman had just done a SINGLE DAMN THING correctly that night, nobody would have died. And that's based on facts, which yes, you seem "willfully ignorant" about.
Fact 1: The neighborhood watch that Zimmerman was part of expressly forbid weapons. Zimmerman ignored them. Someone died.
Fact 2: The 911 operator asked Zimmerman to leave Martin alone. Zimmerman ignored them. Someone died.
Fact 3: Zimmerman was on the street, armed, specifically to try and confront someone. Martin wasn't. Martin died.

You keep ignoring all these facts, which are, by the way, the ONLY facts that any of us can verify. Everything else is heresay, conjecture, or a rather one-sided description of events given by the armed man who shot and killed the unarmed teenager. Yet you remain "willfully ignorant" of them.
 
2012-04-11 12:16:55 AM  

Weaver95: steamingpile: 9beers: Weaver95: he was busy trying to say that punching someone in the nose doesn't leave a mark

I'm waiting for you to provide some sort of evidence that it's a given that a person who punches somebody in the face has to have marks on their knuckles. Since it's such an obvious fact, you should be able to cite hundreds of cases.

Its because he cant, if you hit someone flush in the face then your hand wont show any signs of damage, now if you hit them in the mouth or jaw line then its most likely a few cut fingers or a broken knuckle.

Its how you can tell weaver is a pussy and never had to defend himself.

oooo! internet tough guy talk!


He's also correct (kinda) regarding his statement that you're talking nonsense. If you know how to punch someone, you won't leave a mark if you hit them in the nose (and it doesn't take much to do it properly). There might be some redness on your knuckles, but that would go away rather quickly.

/broke my brother's nose with an open hand strike... didn't even make contact with the knuckles
//fights between teenage brothers can be vicious... and he loves to fight dirty

BTW: if you guys are referring to the comment from the funeral home director, I hate to break this to you, but he didn't really provide any info that's useful for the Internet detective club. You want a copy of the medical examiner's report, and thanks to the prosecutor's actions, you'll probably be able to see it sooner rather than later.

Personally, there are a couple of items I want to see, including the pictures of the crime scene. Since it was raining, I'm curious to see what was left behind on the ground. Biggest for me will be a medical examiner's report, because a few items on that document could change everything in this case, regardless of which side you're on.

That's kind of the problem if you ask me, and it really hit home when someone made a comment to me about it. He picked the side he wants to be on, and asked me which side I was on. Personally, I don't care if he's guilty or not, but I damn sure want to know what happened. That so damn many people out there don't care about what the actual facts are, just so long as their personal world view is reinforced is pretty scary to me, and it ought to be for the rest of society as well.
 
2012-04-11 12:17:16 AM  

s2s2s2: sseye: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: sseye: s2s2s2: eyehate: This is so poorly handled by the media.

Law enforcement

The media is why you think this was handled poorly by the police.

Right, it's just the damn media twisting our minds and making us think there's something wrong with a wanna be cop chasing down a kid who was doing nothing and shooting him and the cops just saying "well, he said the kid fought him, what can we do except take his word for it". That's the real problem here, the damn media.

The fact that that's your understanding of the facts is a pretty harsh indictment of the media in itself.

That's the fact's understanding of the facts.

1) Kid walking with skittles.
2) Guy with gun calls 911 and follows kid. Warned not to by 911 dispatcher. And complies, stating the got away.
3) Kid dead.

Do you live in some other universe where those aren't the facts?

Yup, thos are the facts.

Don't forget the part where Trayvon turns and moves toward Zimmerman, with his hand in his waistband.

Was Trayvon pretending he had a gun?

Check the transcripts.


It doesn't matter.

Trayvon was being followed. He had the right to stand his ground. So by your logic, if he shot first, he'd be innocent, but since he merely pretended to have a gun, he deserved to die.

I'm running out of theories as to why you are so stubbornly stupid about the ethics of a relatively simple situation. It's almost as if you have some ulterior motive.
 
2012-04-11 12:17:32 AM  
Fista-Phobia:
Thank you for a clarifying link!
From it:
Zimmerman's role in the neighborhood watch
Zimmerman was appointed the neighborhood watch coordinator by the homeowners association. He received this position because he was the only volunteer,[38] and was then chosen as the neighborhood watch coordinator by his neighbors, according to Wendy Dorival, Neighborhood Watch organizer for the Sanford Police Department.[42] The February 2012 homeowner association newsletter requested that crime victims "call our captain, George Zimmerman" after calling the police.[9] "He [Zimmerman] once caught a thief and an arrest was made," said Cynthia Wibker, secretary of the homeowners association.[38]
Police had been called to The Retreat at Twin Lakes 402 times from January 1, 2011, to February 26, 2012.[38] Crimes committed at The Retreat in the year prior to Martin's death included eight burglaries, nine thefts and one shooting.[38] The City of Sanford posted a "George Zimmerman 911 Call History" listing 46 event reports naming George Zimmerman as the caller between 2004 and the night of the shooting.[43][44][45] The calls from Zimmerman have since been reported by numerous media sources, including the Orlando Sentinel[46] and the Miami Herald,[47] as occurring between 2011 and 2012 due to a typo on the first page of the police report.[48]
Zimmerman was a criminal justice student and also licensed to carry a firearm.[38] Sanford police chief Bill Lee stated that neighborhood watch volunteers are not encouraged to carry a gun but have a Constitutional right to do so.[38] Lee further stated, "Mr. Zimmerman was not acting outside the legal boundaries of Florida Statute by carrying his weapon when this incident occurred."[49]
Sanford Police volunteer program coordinator Wendy Dorival told the Miami Herald she met Zimmerman in September, 2011 at a community neighborhood watch presentation. Dorival stated she gave a warning in regard to vigilante behavior at that meeting: "I said, 'If it's someone you don't recognize, call us. We'll figure it out,'" Dorival said. "'Observe from a safe location.' There's even a slide about not being vigilante police. I don't know how many more times I can repeat it."[38]

I guess he listened, Wendy. He called, observered from what he believed to be a safe location.
 
2012-04-11 12:17:59 AM  

9beers: keithgabryelski: zimmerman seem to be the only person making poor decisions -- and those poor decisions lead to the death of Martin.

Martin violently attacking somebody for no reason led to his death.


if Martin's reason was that he was legitimately in fear of man following him around with a gun, would that be good enough for you to accept that Martin had cause to attack zimmerman?

if not, what scenario would allow you to come to a conclusion that Martin was standing legitimately standing his ground?
 
2012-04-11 12:18:10 AM  
A trial seems like a reasonable next step
 
2012-04-11 12:19:53 AM  

Diodorus: ha-ha-guy: Diodorus: How ambiguous is the "Stand your Ground" law? Can I pick a fight and when my victim "stands his ground" and starts beating me up, can I "Stand my ground" and shoot him?

Stand your ground is actually pretty clear that if you instigate or advance to trigger the confrontation, the law does not apply. However if you shoot the other guy (also the only direct witness), it's a biatch to contradict you when you say the dead guy attacked you.

I blame Florida and all its citizens.


Reap the whirlwind, Florida....REAP IT!


Does that mean you wont be visiting Florida?

Darn, if this keeps up I wont have to take the toll roads around Disney and Universal anymore.
 
2012-04-11 12:20:31 AM  
*puts on tinfoil hat*

Charges will not be filed.

- Lawyers ditch Zimmerman: They won't be associated with the case when it is dropped.

- Zimmerman ditches Florida after talking to prosecutor: Prosecutor told him they wouldn't be pursuing him, but he needs to GTFO if he wants to live after the decision comes down.

- Zimmerman talks to Hannity: Clearly, Fox news is on his side, wants to give the spin-masters fair warning.

This will not end well.

* removes tinfoil hat *

Everything is going to end up juuust fine.
 
2012-04-11 12:22:44 AM  

sseye: and confronted


[citation needed]

And "Well Trayvon got shot!" is not a citation.
 
2012-04-11 12:22:59 AM  

Fista-Phobia: Pure speculation.


Considering that the mob is relying solely on speculations to convict Zimmerman, I figure I'm allowed one.
 
2012-04-11 12:24:47 AM  

The Coroner of Munchkinland: A trial seems like a reasonable next step


This is both true, and reasonable. There is hope for this planet.
 
2012-04-11 12:25:03 AM  

s2s2s2: I guess he listened, Wendy. He called, observered from what he believed to be a safe location.


He was a farking moron for thinking there was any safe location outside of his car. Especially if he thought Martin was packing heat in his waistband.
 
2012-04-11 12:25:38 AM  

s2s2s2: I guess he listened, Wendy. He called, observered from what he believed to be a safe location.


he may have believed it was a safe distance, but obviously it wasn't.

that is the best scenario.

the scenario to consider is that his location was considered hostile and threatening to a kid walking home.
 
2012-04-11 12:26:20 AM  

Ender's: In the court of public opinion he's guilty. In a court of law, he isn't even on trial. People need to disassociate their feelings for a couple of minutes to think it over like rational sane people before firing up the torches.


THAT'S THE REASON WHY CIVILIZED PEOPLE ARE UPSET!!!

If he was arrested for murder/manslaughter/reckless disregard for human life, there wouldn't be this big fuss at all.

Here are the facts that we know.
Zimmerman driving in the safety of his car, was following the kid around the neighborhood.
Zimmerman called the cops. The cops told him to stay away from the kid.
Zimmerman kept following the kid.
Zimmerman got out of his car.
Zimmerman got into an altercation with the kid.
Zimmerman shot the kid.
Zimmerman claimed self defense.
The cops let Zimmerman go.

Now think of the legal implications. You can start trouble, and instead of getting your ass rightly kicked for being a busy body, you can shoot the person who was minding his own farking business until you bothered him. And you won't even spend a night in Jail, just claim you were "Standing your Ground."

Somehow the pro-gun folks/conservatives should have picked the easy answer "The Stand your ground laws were not intended for this type of behavior..." but instead they showed their true racism by attacking an unarmed, dead teenager.
 
2012-04-11 12:27:39 AM  

9beers: Fista-Phobia: Pure speculation.

Considering that the mob is relying solely on speculations to convict Zimmerman, I figure I'm allowed one.


honestly I don't seem many people saying "convict zimmerman" -- i see them saying "why isn't there a trial"

That seems pretty reasonable to me.
 
2012-04-11 12:29:14 AM  

ensign_noname: Does that mean you wont be visiting Florida?


I would say that based on the understanding that local police have of the Stand Your Ground law, one could make a decent argument that it's only safe to visit Florida with a concealed weapon and an itchy trigger finger.

tenpoundsofcheese: sseye:

1) Kid walking with skittles.
2) Guy with gun calls 911 and follows kid. Warned not to by 911 dispatcher.
3) Kid dead.

Do you live in some other universe where those aren't the facts?

He was "warned not to"? That is the fact in your universe? What exactly was the "warning".
Interesting.


Wake us up when you learn English and something about American social customs and until then stop wasting our time.
 
2012-04-11 12:30:34 AM  

keithgabryelski: if Martin's reason was that he was legitimately in fear of man following him around with a gun, would that be good enough for you to accept that Martin had cause to attack zimmerman?


Zimmerman's gun was in a holster on the inside of his pants, Martin had no idea he had a gun. He supposedly also told his girlfriend that he wasn't going to run so that tells me he wasn't scared. He didn't dial 911 which tells me he wasn't scared. He didn't run through the complex screaming for help which tells me he wasn't scared. He didn't pound on somebody's door which tells me he wasn't scared. Finally, he didn't run the less than 200 feet home which tells me he wasn't scared. He ran around the corner of a building and then confronted and attacked somebody.
 
2012-04-11 12:31:43 AM  

s2s2s2: sseye: and confronted

[citation needed]

And "Well Trayvon got shot!" is not a citation.


Look, you need to talk to your lawyer and parole officer about what those restraining orders mean. It doesn't matter what you want to talk about, she doesn't want to talk to you.
 
2012-04-11 12:32:37 AM  

sseye: It doesn't matter.

Trayvon was being followed. He had the right to stand his ground. So by your logic, if he shot first, he'd be innocent, but since he merely pretended to have a gun, he deserved to die.

I'm running out of theories as to why you are so stubbornly stupid about the ethics of a relatively simple situation. It's almost as if you have some ulterior motive.


It does matter. It goes to his willingness to engage.
Trayvon had every right to stand his ground. He could have told George, "I stay right around the corner." He had no right to touch anyone.
George had no right to touch him.
Once either of them began to escalate the level of touching to causing head injuries (watch the nfl, and you will learn brain trauma doesn't require the slightest scratch), they open the door for deadly force being used to stop them.

It is simple. You're weak grasp of the facts doesn't make me stubborn, or stupid.
 
2012-04-11 12:34:11 AM  

sseye: s2s2s2: sseye: and confronted

[citation needed]

And "Well Trayvon got shot!" is not a citation.

Look, you need to talk to your lawyer and parole officer about what those restraining orders mean. It doesn't matter what you want to talk about, she doesn't want to talk to you.


Of course she doesn't. She's asleep right next to me. She has to get up earlier than I do.
 
2012-04-11 12:34:39 AM  

9beers: keithgabryelski: if Martin's reason was that he was legitimately in fear of man following him around with a gun, would that be good enough for you to accept that Martin had cause to attack zimmerman?

Zimmerman's gun was in a holster on the inside of his pants, Martin had no idea he had a gun. He supposedly also told his girlfriend that he wasn't going to run so that tells me he wasn't scared. He didn't dial 911 which tells me he wasn't scared. He didn't run through the complex screaming for help which tells me he wasn't scared. He didn't pound on somebody's door which tells me he wasn't scared. Finally, he didn't run the less than 200 feet home which tells me he wasn't scared. He ran around the corner of a building and then confronted and attacked somebody.


You didn't answer the question. You lose.

/good day s... nah, fark you
 
2012-04-11 12:35:49 AM  

9beers: Zimmerman's gun was in a holster on the inside of his pants, Martin had no idea he had a gun. He supposedly also told his girlfriend that he wasn't going to run so that tells me he wasn't scared. He didn't dial 911 which tells me he wasn't scared. He didn't run through the complex screaming for help which tells me he wasn't scared. He didn't pound on somebody's door which tells me he wasn't scared. Finally, he didn't run the less than 200 feet home which tells me he wasn't scared. He ran around the corner of a building and then confronted and attacked somebody.


con·jec·ture/kənˈjekCHər/ Noun: An opinion or conclusion formed on the basis of incomplete information.
 
2012-04-11 12:37:16 AM  
Good God...the Derp from the Lynch Zimmerman crowd just does not stop

No surprise i guess, from morons who keep calling for the arrest of someone who has already been arrested
 
2012-04-11 12:37:38 AM  

s2s2s2: sseye: It doesn't matter.

Trayvon was being followed. He had the right to stand his ground. So by your logic, if he shot first, he'd be innocent, but since he merely pretended to have a gun, he deserved to die.

I'm running out of theories as to why you are so stubbornly stupid about the ethics of a relatively simple situation. It's almost as if you have some ulterior motive.

It does matter. It goes to his willingness to engage.
Trayvon had every right to stand his ground. He could have told George, "I stay right around the corner." He had no right to touch anyone.
George had no right to touch him.
Once either of them began to escalate the level of touching to causing head injuries (watch the nfl, and you will learn brain trauma doesn't require the slightest scratch), they open the door for deadly force being used to stop them.

It is simple. You're weak grasp of the facts doesn't make me stubborn, or stupid.


Ah, we're back to "George can stand his ground with a gun, Martin can stand his ground with a 'please leave me alone sir'". Let's try to imagine why you might have that particular illogical view.

See, it's being stupid that makes you stupid, stupid.
 
2012-04-11 12:37:42 AM  

keithgabryelski: s2s2s2: I guess he listened, Wendy. He called, observered from what he believed to be a safe location.

he may have believed it was a safe distance, but obviously it wasn't.

that is the best scenario.

the scenario to consider is that his location was considered hostile and threatening to a kid walking home.


Yet proximity doesn't grant him the right to lay one finger on George.
 
2012-04-11 12:38:17 AM  

EighthundredmillionthFarker: con·jec·ture/kənˈjekCHər/ Noun: An opinion or conclusion formed on the basis of incomplete information. Commonly used by the mob


FTFY
 
2012-04-11 12:39:57 AM  

sseye: s2s2s2: sseye: It doesn't matter.

Trayvon was being followed. He had the right to stand his ground. So by your logic, if he shot first, he'd be innocent, but since he merely pretended to have a gun, he deserved to die.

I'm running out of theories as to why you are so stubbornly stupid about the ethics of a relatively simple situation. It's almost as if you have some ulterior motive.

It does matter. It goes to his willingness to engage.
Trayvon had every right to stand his ground. He could have told George, "I stay right around the corner." He had no right to touch anyone.
George had no right to touch him.
Once either of them began to escalate the level of touching to causing head injuries (watch the nfl, and you will learn brain trauma doesn't require the slightest scratch), they open the door for deadly force being used to stop them.

It is simple. You're weak grasp of the facts doesn't make me stubborn, or stupid.

Ah, we're back to "George can stand his ground with a gun, Martin can stand his ground with a 'please leave me alone sir'". Let's try to imagine why you might have that particular illogical view.

See, it's being stupid that makes you stupid, stupid.


s2s2s2: "George had no right to touch him."

Can you read?
 
2012-04-11 12:41:02 AM  

EighthundredmillionthFarker: 9beers: Zimmerman's gun was in a holster on the inside of his pants, Martin had no idea he had a gun. He supposedly also told his girlfriend that he wasn't going to run so that tells me he wasn't scared. He didn't dial 911 which tells me he wasn't scared. He didn't run through the complex screaming for help which tells me he wasn't scared. He didn't pound on somebody's door which tells me he wasn't scared. Finally, he didn't run the less than 200 feet home which tells me he wasn't scared. He ran around the corner of a building and then confronted and attacked somebody.

con·jec·ture/kənˈjekCHər/ Noun: An opinion or conclusion formed on the basis of incomplete information.


No, see, all teenage boys when spooked immediately call the authorities, scream for help like little girls, and run around in circles, and never, ever attempt to fight back. Also, they send Lassie.

/now we know what 9beers does when he's askeered
 
2012-04-11 12:43:27 AM  

sseye: EighthundredmillionthFarker: 9beers: Zimmerman's gun was in a holster on the inside of his pants, Martin had no idea he had a gun. He supposedly also told his girlfriend that he wasn't going to run so that tells me he wasn't scared. He didn't dial 911 which tells me he wasn't scared. He didn't run through the complex screaming for help which tells me he wasn't scared. He didn't pound on somebody's door which tells me he wasn't scared. Finally, he didn't run the less than 200 feet home which tells me he wasn't scared. He ran around the corner of a building and then confronted and attacked somebody.

con·jec·ture/kənˈjekCHər/ Noun: An opinion or conclusion formed on the basis of incomplete information.

No, see, all teenage boys when spooked immediately call the authorities, scream for help like little girls, and run around in circles, and never, ever attempt to fight back. Also, they send Lassie.

/now we know what 9beers does when he's askeered


If it was fighting back, and that can be proven, then George would have failed to warrant the protection of SYG, and likely be convicted.
 
2012-04-11 12:44:06 AM  

9beers: keithgabryelski: if Martin's reason was that he was legitimately in fear of man following him around with a gun, would that be good enough for you to accept that Martin had cause to attack zimmerman?

Zimmerman's gun was in a holster on the inside of his pants, Martin had no idea he had a gun.


that doesn't seem obvious to me -- but I don't think the gun part is needed to be considered threatening.

He supposedly also told his girlfriend that he wasn't going to run so that tells me he wasn't scared.

I didn't get that from his response. it seems like that is up for discussion. He could have easily meant it as "i'm not going to cause this person to run after me".


He didn't dial 911 which tells me he wasn't scared. He didn't run through the complex screaming for help which tells me he wasn't scared. He didn't pound on somebody's door which tells me he wasn't scared. Finally, he didn't run the less than 200 feet home which tells me he wasn't scared.

kids make poor decisions especially under duress.

I can remember being 12 or 13 walking with a friend through the jr college near my mother's house when two guys stopped us and hassled us -- demanding we empty our pockets and give them all our money.

We ended up reporting it to the police -- and when asked "why didn't you call to someone around for help" -- and then it dawned on me, this was during class time there were plenty of people around, we were just too frightened to consider reasonable alternatives.

kids don't always do the best things. calling 911, running home -- he could have considered he was getting backed in a corner and didn't want the guy to follow him home and rob his house -- kill his family

He ran around the corner of a building and then confronted and attacked somebody.

That is speculation -- but -- let's consider it, sure...

That is consistent with stand your ground -- given that the "somebody" was a guy following him in what he may have considered an aggressive manor.

Can you at least find a position that considers this view?
 
2012-04-11 12:44:20 AM  
burglar shot

happens every day
 
2012-04-11 12:45:29 AM  

gaslight: By the way, how many of you have heard of the Zimmerman Telegram? Barbara Tuchman wrote a very readable history of this attempt, by Germany, to embroil the US in a war with Mexico to keep the states out of WW1.


And Now Zimmerman's name is Mudd
 
2012-04-11 12:45:36 AM  

s2s2s2:
Yet proximity doesn't grant him the right to lay one finger on George.


the "stand your ground" law disagrees.
 
2012-04-11 12:46:43 AM  

s2s2s2: sseye: s2s2s2: sseye: It doesn't matter.

Trayvon was being followed. He had the right to stand his ground. So by your logic, if he shot first, he'd be innocent, but since he merely pretended to have a gun, he deserved to die.

I'm running out of theories as to why you are so stubbornly stupid about the ethics of a relatively simple situation. It's almost as if you have some ulterior motive.

It does matter. It goes to his willingness to engage.
Trayvon had every right to stand his ground. He could have told George, "I stay right around the corner." He had no right to touch anyone.
George had no right to touch him.
Once either of them began to escalate the level of touching to causing head injuries (watch the nfl, and you will learn brain trauma doesn't require the slightest scratch), they open the door for deadly force being used to stop them.

It is simple. You're weak grasp of the facts doesn't make me stubborn, or stupid.

Ah, we're back to "George can stand his ground with a gun, Martin can stand his ground with a 'please leave me alone sir'". Let's try to imagine why you might have that particular illogical view.

See, it's being stupid that makes you stupid, stupid.

s2s2s2: "George had no right to touch him."

Can you read?


No one is accusing Zimmerman of poking Martin with the gun you dimwit. I'm pretty sure Fark's many resident gun owners can confirm that the whole point of projectile weapons is that they are quite effective without direct contact.

/when you read this, please don't try to figure it out by throwing a gun at something
 
2012-04-11 12:47:03 AM  
Seems like a majority of the opinion here is that if you are on the fence about zimmerman until all the facts are heard, and that he is innocent of murder 2 until proven guilty you are a Zimmerman supporter? A racist?
Did I get that right?

Odds are that he will kill himself in an attempt to "save his family." Probably dead already.
 
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