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2012-04-10 09:31:06 PM  
I would like to point out that there were 3 witnesses listed on the police report.

Link to the report itself (new window)
 
2012-04-10 09:31:30 PM  

Kuroshin: However, Zimmerman made the initial decisions to pursue. He created the scenario which led to the killing of another person. He is to blame and is responsible, regardless of legal standing. If I jump a fence into a junk yard and get bit by the guard dog, it's my own fault even if I was doing something so noble as retrieving a frisbee for local yoots. Had I not jumped that fence, and had Zimmerman not pursued (against the council of the police, FFS), neither event would have occurred.


That may be the case. I don't care one way or the other if Zimmerman is dumb. I only care about how the law applies here.

I think a refresher on what is actaully said in the 911 tape is order.

Link (new window)

Around 2:10 Operator is asking him which way he is running. Zimmerman gets out of his truck. (now look at the map, we know where Zimmerman's truck was reported by the media). Zimmerman assumes he's running to the back entrance.

2:26 Operator suggests not to follow him.

Zimmerman appears to continue for about 10 more seconds. At about 2:38 he says "he ran" dismissively.

He then has a conversation for over a minute and a half, and there is no indication that Zimmerman continues to run down the walkway. The altercation occurs only a few meters from the T intersection at the beginning of the walkway. And we can see the intent of the call, Zimmerman is trying to relay the direction Martin was runnning. We don't see any intent that he was trying to chase and capture Martin. And during a minute and half of the phone call Martin is out of sight of Zimmerman. Where is he? And how did he get to Zimmerman's location?
 
2012-04-10 09:31:31 PM  

9beers: LasersHurt: Someone posted a log of all of his calls weeks ago. A little over half or so explicitly mentioned race, as I recall, maybe closer to 60%. (these are not facts, these are vague recollections of the list, don't cite me)

46 calls in 8 years, all to the non-emergency number. 6 of those calls mentioned a black person and in all cases, Zimmerman only identified them as such when asked by the dispatcher.

Write it down so you don't forget.


Actually this does lend some credibility to Zimmerman not being racially motivated in killing this kid. It could be that he's simply a sociopathic hero wannabe with bloodlust and a homicidal fantasy that he finally was unable to keep pent up.
 
2012-04-10 09:31:42 PM  
I read the headline and was so hoping he killed himself.
 
2012-04-10 09:32:59 PM  
Why is it the only time I see one of these "new black panthers" being interviewed, it is always on Fox News? Why is it only the drooling freeper moron crowd that is so fascinated by these clowns?
 
2012-04-10 09:33:26 PM  

tonguedepressor: Actually this does lend some credibility to Zimmerman not being racially motivated in killing this kid. It could be that he's simply a sociopathic hero wannabe with bloodlust and a homicidal fantasy that he finally was unable to keep pent up.



THIS!

Thank you!
 
2012-04-10 09:33:45 PM  

Kuroshin: Oh, and , "You're legally allowed to walk around your neighborhood at night." - apparently unless some idiot with a gun wants to accost you.


Proof.
 
2012-04-10 09:33:48 PM  
Zimmerman is at least looking at manslaughter and at most 2nd degree murder, and seeing how this is going to play out I think he'll do minimum jail time and then get placed on probation.

And then the complainers will come forth about how justice hasn't been served, yadadada, stays in the news cycle till November, followup in Feburary we forget about it by June until Spike Lee makes a HBO documentary about it.
 
2012-04-10 09:33:56 PM  

The Coroner of Munchkinland: Yogimus: Rapmaster2000: 9beers: TheShavingofOccam123: But eventually Zimmerman got on top of Martin and wasn't going to let him up.

So you're also going the route of ignoring the eyewitness who saw Martin on top of Zimmerman seconds before the gunshot?

Keep fighting the good fight, brother! TEAM ZIMMERMAN!

In his defense, shortly after the incident occurred, someone DID come forward to
state exactly that.

Have you ever watched wrestling, like olympic wrestling and not fake wwe stuff? Positioning changes all the time, and in a street tussle, there is no more logical reasoning that if you somehow ended up in a dominant position that you started there.


Also not logical to me that a wanabe batman would engage n a physical altercation when he had a firearm. But this is all completely pointless speculation, as we are both viewing this through our own experiences, and not based on fact.
 
2012-04-10 09:34:23 PM  
Re The New Black Panther Party and the Philadelphia polling incident (since for some reason it is germane to this thread)
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That white girl seems real intimidated.
 
2012-04-10 09:34:32 PM  

karmaceutical: Why is it the only time I see one of these "new black panthers" being interviewed, it is always on Fox News? Why is it only the drooling freeper moron crowd that is so fascinated by these clowns?


Because they finally get a "black KKK" to prove that both sides are bad... so be racist.
 
2012-04-10 09:35:15 PM  

osafer: 3. The DA reviews (a poorly??) written law, the police report and I assume has a discussion with the lead investigator, decides no charges, Zimmerman acted within the scope of the law

4. The case sits idle for over a month , until it becomes public knowledge , some of the public perceive an injustice (not saying there was not one)


Some of your statements are wrong.....

Feb 26th - Shooting

Feb 29th - Press release saying that the investigation is ongoing

March 12th - Press release saying the investigation is wrapping up and being sent the the DA

March 19th - Feds announce that they'll be taking a look at things

The DA never issued a ruling and the case did not sit around for a month. The DA had the case for a day or two at most before the shiat hit the fan.
 
2012-04-10 09:35:21 PM  

ChuDogg: Kuroshin: Oh, and , "You're legally allowed to walk around your neighborhood at night." - apparently unless some idiot with a gun wants to accost you.

Proof.


Idiot accosts you > You are killed > he says it was self defense.

Not saying that's what happened here, of course, but that's the precedent created by this case and this law (well, it would be the precedent depending on how things shake out, you know what I mean.)
 
2012-04-10 09:35:56 PM  

spongeboob: Re The New Black Panther Party and the Philadelphia polling incident (since for some reason it is germane to this thread)
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That white girl seems real intimidated.


She looks liberal.
 
2012-04-10 09:35:56 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: No. I'm going with the idea that when John the witness started toward his home, Martin was on top. By the time John got upstairs, Martin was no longer on top and had been shot.


Let's think about this.

Martin on top.

Gun shot.

Martin no longer on top.

Is there a very, very SIMPLE explanation for why Martin is no longer on top?

No.no.no.no.no........SIMPLE.
 
2012-04-10 09:36:28 PM  

tonguedepressor: 9beers: LasersHurt: Someone posted a log of all of his calls weeks ago. A little over half or so explicitly mentioned race, as I recall, maybe closer to 60%. (these are not facts, these are vague recollections of the list, don't cite me)

46 calls in 8 years, all to the non-emergency number. 6 of those calls mentioned a black person and in all cases, Zimmerman only identified them as such when asked by the dispatcher.

Write it down so you don't forget.

Actually this does lend some credibility to Zimmerman not being racially motivated in killing this kid. It could be that he's simply a sociopathic hero wannabe with bloodlust and a homicidal fantasy that he finally was unable to keep pent up.


Judging by the ramblings of the homeless guy down my block, you can be batshiat insane and

Mitch Taylor's Bro: theflatline: Zimmerman is not white, he has a last name that is normally considered Caucasian, but his face and his voice is Mexican as they come. And I say this as a latino moron who didn't RTFA.

FTFA: "Zimmerman, whose father is white and his mother Peruvian..."

So close...only a continent away.

/ Why is "white" an okay description for his father, but they name his mother's country? Couldn't they be more specific for his dad, like "German-American" or something?


It's truly amazing how feverishly the right wing wackos stick to this "He's not white, he's Mexican!!!" talking point.
 
2012-04-10 09:37:23 PM  
It would be splendid if everyone had the same evidence.

Kuroshin: And you have a fair point as to the "how." M-artini (sorry, I'll stop now) could very well have been dumb enough to pounce on a pursuer that had turned away. In that case, he done got hisself Darwined.

However, Zimmerman made the initial decisions to pursue. He created the scenario which led to the killing of another person.


Did he really? You're not allowed to ask questions of people in your neighborhood?

I have no idea of what words were exchanged prior to the altercation and shooting, or really, what the sequence of events was when contact was initiated between Zimmerman and Martin. But I think the determination that Zimmerman caused the fatal interaction is at best premature, at worst, totally incorrect.
 
2012-04-10 09:37:25 PM  

Rapmaster2000: karmaceutical: Why is it the only time I see one of these "new black panthers" being interviewed, it is always on Fox News? Why is it only the drooling freeper moron crowd that is so fascinated by these clowns?

Because they finally get a "black KKK" to prove that both sides are bad... so be racist.


Exactly. Fox News basically gives racial suggestion, it's their viewers that dive at it head first screaming "racism".

And liberal news outlets are guilty of doing this as well, but not to the extent that Fox does it.
 
2012-04-10 09:37:37 PM  

ChuDogg: Kuroshin: However, Zimmerman made the initial decisions to pursue. He created the scenario which led to the killing of another person. He is to blame and is responsible, regardless of legal standing. If I jump a fence into a junk yard and get bit by the guard dog, it's my own fault even if I was doing something so noble as retrieving a frisbee for local yoots. Had I not jumped that fence, and had Zimmerman not pursued (against the council of the police, FFS), neither event would have occurred.

That may be the case. I don't care one way or the other if Zimmerman is dumb. I only care about how the law applies here.

I think a refresher on what is actaully said in the 911 tape is order.

Link (new window)

Around 2:10 Operator is asking him which way he is running. Zimmerman gets out of his truck. (now look at the map, we know where Zimmerman's truck was reported by the media). Zimmerman assumes he's running to the back entrance.

2:26 Operator suggests not to follow him.

Zimmerman appears to continue for about 10 more seconds. At about 2:38 he says "he ran" dismissively.

He then has a conversation for over a minute and a half, and there is no indication that Zimmerman continues to run down the walkway. The altercation occurs only a few meters from the T intersection at the beginning of the walkway. And we can see the intent of the call, Zimmerman is trying to relay the direction Martin was runnning. We don't see any intent that he was trying to chase and capture Martin. And during a minute and half of the phone call Martin is out of sight of Zimmerman. Where is he? And how did he get to Zimmerman's location?



All of those good questions, none of which address the fact that pursuit was given where none was required.

I'll keep saying it: Unless you are an LEO, you should never pursue. Ever. Report last-known location and GTFO. Look with your eyes, not with your feet.

Martin could very well have Darwined himself by being stupid. Fair enough. Zimmerman still created the situation that led to the killing.
 
2012-04-10 09:37:45 PM  

ChuDogg: Kuroshin: However, Zimmerman made the initial decisions to pursue. He created the scenario which led to the killing of another person. He is to blame and is responsible, regardless of legal standing. If I jump a fence into a junk yard and get bit by the guard dog, it's my own fault even if I was doing something so noble as retrieving a frisbee for local yoots. Had I not jumped that fence, and had Zimmerman not pursued (against the council of the police, FFS), neither event would have occurred.

That may be the case. I don't care one way or the other if Zimmerman is dumb. I only care about how the law applies here.

I think a refresher on what is actaully said in the 911 tape is order.

Link (new window)

Around 2:10 Operator is asking him which way he is running. Zimmerman gets out of his truck. (now look at the map, we know where Zimmerman's truck was reported by the media). Zimmerman assumes he's running to the back entrance.

2:26 Operator suggests not to follow him.

Zimmerman appears to continue for about 10 more seconds. At about 2:38 he says "he ran" dismissively.

He then has a conversation for over a minute and a half, and there is no indication that Zimmerman continues to run down the walkway. The altercation occurs only a few meters from the T intersection at the beginning of the walkway. And we can see the intent of the call, Zimmerman is trying to relay the direction Martin was runnning. We don't see any intent that he was trying to chase and capture Martin. And during a minute and half of the phone call Martin is out of sight of Zimmerman. Where is he? And how did he get to Zimmerman's location?


I bet Martin, at the first confrontation, decided Zimmerman wasn't a cop or a rent-a-cop then ran away. He might have figured he could take Zimmerman's wallet or phone. So he went looking for him or waited for him then threw the first punch, not knowing Zimmerman had a gun. It might have happened that way.
 
2012-04-10 09:38:13 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: You mean the one where an investigation found that there were no ethical problems with the investigation of this issue? By the OPR which is a non-partisan nonpolitical office?


You mean the OPR that answers to Holder himself (new window)?

oh yeah, that.

Pursuant to 28 C.F.R. § 0.39a, the Counsel for OPR reports directly to the Attorney General and Deputy Attorney General.

 
2012-04-10 09:38:23 PM  
thechive.files.wordpress.com

This is the dispatcher
 
2012-04-10 09:38:37 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: No. I'm going with the idea that when John the witness started toward his home, Martin was on top. By the time John got upstairs, Martin was no longer on top and had been shot.


So within seconds, Zimmerman goes from yelling for help and being beaten to gaining the upper hand, either standing over or sitting on top of Martin and shooting him? Sounds pretty unlikely to me.
 
2012-04-10 09:38:44 PM  

JungleBoogie: It would be splendid if everyone had the same evidence. Kuroshin: And you have a fair point as to the "how." M-artini (sorry, I'll stop now) could very well have been dumb enough to pounce on a pursuer that had turned away. In that case, he done got hisself Darwined.

However, Zimmerman made the initial decisions to pursue. He created the scenario which led to the killing of another person.

Did he really? You're not allowed to ask questions of people in your neighborhood?

I have no idea of what words were exchanged prior to the altercation and shooting, or really, what the sequence of events was when contact was initiated between Zimmerman and Martin. But I think the determination that Zimmerman caused the fatal interaction is at best premature, at worst, totally incorrect.


It depends on where you draw the line. He followed him in the car for a while, then on foot. If you ignore ALL of that, then sure, maybe he didn't "initiate" it. Of course, if you DON'T ignore it...
 
2012-04-10 09:39:02 PM  

LasersHurt: ChuDogg: Kuroshin: Oh, and , "You're legally allowed to walk around your neighborhood at night." - apparently unless some idiot with a gun wants to accost you.

Proof.

Idiot accosts you > You are killed > he says it was self defense.

Not saying that's what happened here, of course, but that's the precedent created by this case and this law (well, it would be the precedent depending on how things shake out, you know what I mean.)



This was my point. That's why I said it swings both ways.
 
2012-04-10 09:40:00 PM  

LasersHurt: osafer: 5. Al , Jessie and their willing allies in the media, somehow turn a Hispanic into a white guy just to flame the racial divide in this county

This shiat? This right here? This sounds pretty racist, and a lot of people are doing it.

Black people didn't make this a race thing, people from every race did. A shiatload of people thought there were racial motives here, but for some reason some people like yourself want to blame it all on the blacks.

Which kind of brings us back around to why so many people through race might be an issue, since the US is still racist as shiat in many/most places.


I get it, I am racist now...
I have never said anything racist on any thread and especially about Martin, but I point out verifiable racebaiters and now I am the bad guy... You don't find anything wrong with the media and the typical idiots manipulating public opinion with edited audio tapes and a fair depiction of both Zimmerman and Martin???
 
2012-04-10 09:40:01 PM  

ChuDogg: TheShavingofOccam123: No. I'm going with the idea that when John the witness started toward his home, Martin was on top. By the time John got upstairs, Martin was no longer on top and had been shot.

Let's think about this.

Martin on top.

Gun shot.

Martin no longer on top.

Is there a very, very SIMPLE explanation for why Martin is no longer on top?

No.no.no.no.no........SIMPLE.


People on top don't normally scream for help.
 
2012-04-10 09:40:51 PM  

InmanRoshi: tonguedepressor: 9beers: LasersHurt: Someone posted a log of all of his calls weeks ago. A little over half or so explicitly mentioned race, as I recall, maybe closer to 60%. (these are not facts, these are vague recollections of the list, don't cite me)

46 calls in 8 years, all to the non-emergency number. 6 of those calls mentioned a black person and in all cases, Zimmerman only identified them as such when asked by the dispatcher.

Write it down so you don't forget.

Actually this does lend some credibility to Zimmerman not being racially motivated in killing this kid. It could be that he's simply a sociopathic hero wannabe with bloodlust and a homicidal fantasy that he finally was unable to keep pent up.

Judging by the ramblings of the homeless guy down my block, you can be batshiat insane and Mitch Taylor's Bro: theflatline: Zimmerman is not white, he has a last name that is normally considered Caucasian, but his face and his voice is Mexican as they come. And I say this as a latino moron who didn't RTFA.

FTFA: "Zimmerman, whose father is white and his mother Peruvian..."

So close...only a continent away.

/ Why is "white" an okay description for his father, but they name his mother's country? Couldn't they be more specific for his dad, like "German-American" or something?

It's truly amazing how feverishly the right wing wackos stick to this "He's not white, he's Mexican!!!" talking point.


Almost as fun as it is to watch anyone making the point be called a right wing wacko, or the counter insistence that he is in fact white.
 
2012-04-10 09:40:54 PM  

9beers: TheShavingofOccam123: No. I'm going with the idea that when John the witness started toward his home, Martin was on top. By the time John got upstairs, Martin was no longer on top and had been shot.

So within seconds, Zimmerman goes from yelling for help and being beaten to gaining the upper hand, either standing over or sitting on top of Martin and shooting him? Sounds pretty unlikely to me.


Nobody knows if Zimmerman yelled for help, they know someone did. Also, where is your citation for "seconds"? How long did it take the man to get inside and upstairs?
 
2012-04-10 09:41:22 PM  
So, given that he has a "white" dad, can Zimmerman flee to Israel under the "Law of Return"?


/Semi-serious question is semi-serious
//Might not be a bad option
///Smoke 'em if ya got 'em
 
2012-04-10 09:41:26 PM  
The lawyers lose contact with him for two whole days, so they turn tail and run?

They're getting out while they can. Obviously they've seen the real facts of the case and they're giving up all of their free publicity. I'll be surprised if Zimmerman doesn't stay hidden for the rest of his life. He's probably living in Mexico already.
 
2012-04-10 09:41:42 PM  

PC LOAD LETTER: So if I shoot someone and say that I was preventing them from committing a crime, I remain jail-free? WOOHOO! KILLING SPREE!


Only if they're black.
 
2012-04-10 09:41:53 PM  

ChuDogg: Sarsin: I feel he should lose protection under "stand your ground" when he continued in pursuit against the wishes of 911. To me, it sets a bad legal precedent that you can go looking for trouble and then "defend" yourself.

So you responded to me without reading my post?


"Pursuit" does not imply "speed". 2:30 on your little picture states he was instructed to stop. Given where the altercation happened he kept going. That is pursuit in my book.
 
2012-04-10 09:41:54 PM  

netweavr: Weaver95: Zimmerman seems...unwise.

He's a 28 year old kid who has half the country ready to lynch him.


kid? no
murderer? yes

/kangaroo courts rule
 
2012-04-10 09:41:54 PM  
Chudogg

Your concern about the legal technicalities is admirable. I think its honest.
Indeed, that is make or break.

Yet the entire issue of zimmerman's culpability is his harrassment of martin based only on his suspicion and assumptions circumscribed by his paranoia bolstered by the rash of breakins. After all he said martin looked like he was on drugs (based on what?) and that he was doing something with his hands....more than likely pulling his trousers up. Now, he was paranoid, pursued a person for no good reason, an attempted to act like an officer of the law. Now he may not get a
deliberate murder charge, but by most statutes this is at least voluntary manslaughter.
 
2012-04-10 09:42:21 PM  

osafer: LasersHurt: osafer: 5. Al , Jessie and their willing allies in the media, somehow turn a Hispanic into a white guy just to flame the racial divide in this county

This shiat? This right here? This sounds pretty racist, and a lot of people are doing it.

Black people didn't make this a race thing, people from every race did. A shiatload of people thought there were racial motives here, but for some reason some people like yourself want to blame it all on the blacks.

Which kind of brings us back around to why so many people through race might be an issue, since the US is still racist as shiat in many/most places.

I get it, I am racist now...
I have never said anything racist on any thread and especially about Martin, but I point out verifiable racebaiters and now I am the bad guy... You don't find anything wrong with the media and the typical idiots manipulating public opinion with edited audio tapes and a fair depiction of both Zimmerman and Martin???


Back off on the defensive. I'm not trying to say "you are a racist." But what you said IS racist, because you're 100% erroneously laying the blame for all racial conversations on this matter on the Black community.
 
2012-04-10 09:43:54 PM  

Ender's: People need to disassociate their feelings for a couple of minutes


Oh, the irony. Seriously, how is it possible that people like you can be so stupid and hypocritical?
 
2012-04-10 09:43:59 PM  

Yogimus: spongeboob: Re The New Black Panther Party and the Philadelphia polling incident (since for some reason it is germane to this thread)
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That white girl seems real intimidated.

She looks liberal.


Of course she is a girl and everyone knows they are liberals, but I thought the NBPP or Black KKK hated all whites. Have I been lied to yet again on Fark.
 
2012-04-10 09:44:13 PM  

JungleBoogie:
Did he really? You're not allowed to ask questions of people in your neighborhood?


Man Who Offered Lift To Teen Girls Says He's Victim Of 'Good Deed Gone Wrong' (new window)

seems like, maybe no:
Barrington's police chief said the girls in this case were "alarmed and disturbed" by Peterson's actions. He said the right thing to do in a situation like that is to call police and tell them that the teens need a ride.

the right thing to do, was:

not approach a child
not have a gun
call the police and sit tight.
 
2012-04-10 09:45:37 PM  

spongeboob: Yogimus: spongeboob: Re The New Black Panther Party and the Philadelphia polling incident (since for some reason it is germane to this thread)
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That white girl seems real intimidated.

She looks liberal.

Of course she is a girl and everyone knows they are liberals, but I thought the NBPP or Black KKK hated all whites. Have I been lied to yet again on Fark.


Not white biatches... theyre like gold to them.
/those people
 
2012-04-10 09:46:16 PM  

LasersHurt: thisisyourbrainonFark: LasersHurt: the courts will decide that

Only if the prosecutor decides a charge/charges is/are warranted.

///triple slashies

I said they would decide if he goes to jail. This assumes a case was brought.


You know what it is to assume?

/I keed, I keed
 
2012-04-10 09:46:25 PM  

keithgabryelski: not have a gun


O.o
 
2012-04-10 09:46:46 PM  

LasersHurt: Nobody knows if Zimmerman yelled for help, they know someone did. Also, where is your citation for "seconds"? How long did it take the man to get inside and upstairs?


Well the eyewitness knows so I'm going to go ahead and disagree with you there. Had you been paying attention to the case, you'd know that by the time John calls the police, the shot has already been fired. Assuming that he didn't stop to cook a Hot Pocket, it's save to assume that he placed the call immediately, meaning that we're talking about a matter of seconds from the time he observed what was going on to the time the shot was fired.
 
2012-04-10 09:46:48 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: ChuDogg: TheShavingofOccam123: No. I'm going with the idea that when John the witness started toward his home, Martin was on top. By the time John got upstairs, Martin was no longer on top and had been shot.

Let's think about this.

Martin on top.

Gun shot.

Martin no longer on top.

Is there a very, very SIMPLE explanation for why Martin is no longer on top?

No.no.no.no.no........SIMPLE.

People on top don't normally scream for help.


And I do realize John stated Zimmerman shouted help to him from underneath Martin.

It is stuff like that this that I addressed in my Boobies. When the entry and exit of the bullet is released, we will know who was where when the shot was fired.
 
2012-04-10 09:47:00 PM  

LasersHurt: Idiot accosts you > You are killed > he says it was self defense.

Not saying that's what happened here, of course, but that's the precedent created by this case and this law (well, it would be the precedent depending on how things shake out, you know what I mean.)



But you are saying that is what happened. You said it doesn't cut both ways. I just need some proof before agreeing that Martin was approached by a gun-wielding maniac, as the majority of the scenario we hear on the 911 call and it doesn't support that hypothesis at all. Just the very fact he was on the phone with 911 tends to disprove that allegation.
 
2012-04-10 09:47:01 PM  
Trayvon Martin: When keepin' it real goes wrong
 
2012-04-10 09:48:40 PM  

9beers: LasersHurt: Nobody knows if Zimmerman yelled for help, they know someone did. Also, where is your citation for "seconds"? How long did it take the man to get inside and upstairs?

Well the eyewitness knows so I'm going to go ahead and disagree with you there. Had you been paying attention to the case, you'd know that by the time John calls the police, the shot has already been fired. Assuming that he didn't stop to cook a Hot Pocket, it's save to assume that he placed the call immediately, meaning that we're talking about a matter of seconds from the time he observed what was going on to the time the shot was fired.


The eyewitness said they heard it, as in audibly, not visually, yes? So how can you or he be sure?

The rest of your post is pure assumption, which I guess is okay if it's YOU doing it.
 
2012-04-10 09:48:51 PM  

Yogimus: spongeboob: Yogimus: spongeboob: Re The New Black Panther Party and the Philadelphia polling incident (since for some reason it is germane to this thread)
[t2.gstatic.com image 230x220]

That white girl seems real intimidated.

She looks liberal.

Of course she is a girl and everyone knows they are liberals, but I thought the NBPP or Black KKK hated all whites. Have I been lied to yet again on Fark.

Not white biatches... theyre like gold to them.
/those people


Hey do you watch Game of Thrones, they finally have a black guy on and he is a pirate whose main goal in life is to get a blonde haired white girl.
 
2012-04-10 09:49:15 PM  

Kuroshin: All of those good questions, none of which address the fact that pursuit was given where none was required.

I'll keep saying it: Unless you are an LEO, you should never pursue. Ever. Report last-known location and GTFO. Look with your eyes, not with your feet.


That's very, very, good advice.

Is it legally required?

No.
 
2012-04-10 09:49:48 PM  

LasersHurt: osafer: LasersHurt: osafer: 5. Al , Jessie and their willing allies in the media, somehow turn a Hispanic into a white guy just to flame the racial divide in this county

This shiat? This right here? This sounds pretty racist, and a lot of people are doing it.

Black people didn't make this a race thing, people from every race did. A shiatload of people thought there were racial motives here, but for some reason some people like yourself want to blame it all on the blacks.

Which kind of brings us back around to why so many people through race might be an issue, since the US is still racist as shiat in many/most places.

I get it, I am racist now...
I have never said anything racist on any thread and especially about Martin, but I point out verifiable racebaiters and now I am the bad guy... You don't find anything wrong with the media and the typical idiots manipulating public opinion with edited audio tapes and a fair depiction of both Zimmerman and Martin???

Back off on the defensive. I'm not trying to say "you are a racist." But what you said IS racist, because you're 100% erroneously laying the blame for all racial conversations on this matter on the Black community.


I'm not racist, I just say racist things? That is like saying I know you like farking young children, but your not a pervert. You can't have one without the other...... And unless you are saying everyone in the media are black you may want to reread my statement... If you don't think Al and Jessie are some of the biggest racebaiters in this country you are being dishonest with yourself....
 
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