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2012-04-10 09:03:34 PM

theflatline: Florida has 8,269,407 hispanics.
Mass has 500,298 hispanics

Florida has 2,999,86 2 1 blacks
Mass 434,398 blacks

bit of a difference huh?




Especially since you forgot to place that into a complete listing of demographics, to include total population. Poor job.
 
2012-04-10 09:03:56 PM

CornDog in 2012: Tdog!!!' TDOG!!!!!

I'm never going to see my baby again. I only have one surviving daughter, shanequa! Oh loorrdd have mercy!

I can remember it now, he was just a young boy. Not a day over 12 when I caught him casing his first neighborhood. He was so cute and into it, he even was able to hide his car Jimmy's perfectly without any bulges showing under his size XXL tshirt.

Now he's dead! He's dead and whitey is to blame!!


Trolls!!! Come out to plaaayyyyy!!!

I did chuckle tho
 
2012-04-10 09:04:00 PM

Kuroshin: ChuDogg: Now if one wants to assume that Zimmerman chased down Martin for a hypothetical conclusion they want to make, that's fine. But if you want to make it a statement of fact I would like to see what exactly you have that supports that Zimmerman chased and confronted Martin. Please look at the map and tell me how Zimmerman continued to chase martin for 2 minutes on the phone with 911 yet somehow only moved down a 10-15 meter sidewalk from his truck.

How about we simply stick to the fact that Z-dawg *did* chase down M-bag, armed. Had this happened in front of his car, rather than behind a building, far from the street, it would be sensible to assume self-defense. Hell, even if it happened that Z-rilla was actively running *from* M-deep, fled behind the building, then shot M-oney, we could still get a good sense of self-defense.

But no. We know that Z-evious left his vehicle. We know Z-od made pursuit. We know that Z-orro followed what he believed to be a suspicious person on foot, against the direction of the 911 dispatcher. We know that Z-...applesauce shot M-odern to death. It is not self-defense if you make pursuit. You are not "standing your ground" if you have to actively chase the person down. Z-trip hunted M-arvolo down, no matter how you look at it. Was Z-fringe attempting some retarded form of citizen's arrest? Nobody knows. Was Z-badger simply trying to keep M-otor in view so he could relay info to the police? Possibly. Still, everything we know about the situation shows quite clearly that Z-ebra went out of his way and put both he and M-type in danger. Just for that, Z-edd deserves a broken nose and bash to the back of the head - for being pants-on-head retarded.

As for M-ikey, how should we expect him to act when a crazy guy with a gun comes after him? Apparently we expect M-train not to run and hide, or fight when obviously being followed by aforementioned crazy.

Actually, fighting a crazy guy with a gun when you're armed with no ...


I like how ChuDogg ignores M-oderator's phone call to his girlfriend about some dude following him.
 
2012-04-10 09:04:23 PM

ChuDogg:
We do NOT know HOW the altercation started. Stating anything is pure speculation.

Now if one wants to assume that Zimmerman chased down Martin for a hypothetical conclusion they want to make, that's fine. But if you want to make it a statement of fact I would like to see what exactly you have that supports that Zimmerman chased and confronted Martin. Please look at the map and tell me how Zimmerman continued to chase martin for 2 minutes on the phone with 911 yet somehow only moved down a 10-15 meter sidewalk from his truck.


I can't prove it, but my gut feeling is that he confronted the kid and he responded as I would have at 16. "Are you a cop? No? Then fark off." Mr. Zimmerman decides this threatened his faux-authority and pushed the issue which escalated into an altercation.

I feel he should lose protection under "stand your ground" when he continued in pursuit against the wishes of 911. To me, it sets a bad legal precedent that you can go looking for trouble and then "defend" yourself.
 
2012-04-10 09:05:00 PM
When defense attorneys know when to draw the line... you know you're farked.
 
2012-04-10 09:05:03 PM

MattyFridays: Hmmm. Everyone seemed to have the Duke Lacrosse team convicted of raping the woman. There was pages and pages of people convicting the players ON THIS VERY WEBSITE. Only after months and months and MONTHS of discourse did they get finally vindicated.


the girl that claimed she got raped didn't kill everyone that would say otherwise so it could play out as both sides got a say. This case probably should go to court because the other side of the story is dead.
 
2012-04-10 09:05:57 PM
Poor baby has PTSD? Lock his ass up the same way we do with all the other crazy ass murdering scum. Oh wait, now he's victim and a martyr and being persecuted for what...Jeebus?

What a farking joke.
 
2012-04-10 09:06:21 PM

Sarsin:

I can't prove it, but my gut feeling is that he confronted the kid and he responded as I would have at 16. "Are you a cop? No? Then fark off." Mr. Zimmerman decides this threatened his faux-authority and pushed the issue which escalated into an altercation.

I feel he should lose protection under "stand your ground" when he continued in pursuit against the wishes of 911. To me, it sets a bad legal precedent that you can go looking for trouble and then "defend" yourself.


Excuse me, but George Zimmerman was the NEIGHBORHOOD WATCH CAPTAIN! That gives him a lot of power. Only the Neighborhood Watch Admiral or perhaps the Commandant could have overruled him.
 
2012-04-10 09:06:25 PM
I think the attorneys are walking an ethical tightrope talking about why they withdrew. And Zimmerman is acting odd. Never pay a lawyer just to ignore their advice.
 
2012-04-10 09:07:59 PM

Rapmaster2000: Headso: LouDobbsAwaaaay: Headso: you can do that by issuing a press release to the media without any of the drama. Please do not continue to call our place of business for comment on the zimmerman case, he is no longer our client. and that's a wrap.

True. I suppose we could talk about how a couple of high-profile criminal defense attorneys could be less dickish about it, but then again why not just complain about the sun being bright or water being wet?

It's worse than dickish, as the Martin's attorney said they threw him under the bus at that presser. they made it seem like he fled and has been using erratic judgement which are two bad things to associate this guy with if you are trying to make a case that he is not guilty of anything.

I'm thinking they made an epic facepalm after the website and the Hannity call didn't help. Seriously, you can't work with a client like that. He made his lawyers look like idiots which perhaps they are, but you can't do that.


They didn't drop him though he just went rouge and he is behaving erratically but they don't need to tip their hand to the whole farking world about it, they are defense lawyers afterall.
 
2012-04-10 09:08:39 PM

Rapmaster2000: Sarsin:

I can't prove it, but my gut feeling is that he confronted the kid and he responded as I would have at 16. "Are you a cop? No? Then fark off." Mr. Zimmerman decides this threatened his faux-authority and pushed the issue which escalated into an altercation.

I feel he should lose protection under "stand your ground" when he continued in pursuit against the wishes of 911. To me, it sets a bad legal precedent that you can go looking for trouble and then "defend" yourself.

Excuse me, but George Zimmerman was the NEIGHBORHOOD WATCH CAPTAIN! That gives him a lot of power. Only the Neighborhood Watch Admiral or perhaps the Commandant could have overruled him.


*snert*
 
2012-04-10 09:09:21 PM

BSABSVR: That would be never. But stay scared.


scared? Elaborate please.


It is no secret the DoJ has a special place in their heart for this (new window)... why haven't they investigated the NBPP for publicly placing that bounty? Goes all the way back to his office investigating voter intimidation in Philly.

It is right on video, 2 NBPP members with nightsticks acting as "security" while handing out Dem party fliers... and no charges, nothing. It is already known the MBPP supported Obama too... so, scared? Not really... just informed.

 
2012-04-10 09:09:37 PM

netweavr: 28 year old kid


does not compute.
 
2012-04-10 09:09:54 PM

Rapmaster2000: Excuse me, but George Zimmerman was the NEIGHBORHOOD WATCH CAPTAIN! That gives him a lot of power. Only the Neighborhood Watch Admiral or perhaps the Commandant could have overruled him.


/giggle
 
2012-04-10 09:11:37 PM

bhcompy: Weaver95: bhcompy: steamingpile: The injuries were said to be consistent with an assault, as in a punch then a fall back.

Ah, but that's just a guess. He probably just hit a low branch and fell back onto the sidewalk.

Zimmerman could also have been previously injured. given the lack of evidence of Martin's body, the evidence is against Zimmerman's claim of being attackedambiguous.

Fixed.

Like the rest of the case.

This is a biatch to prosecute, with the only thing to really go off of is the 911 call. The best case they have is for negligent homicide, because he disobeyed a public officer which then caused a death. I wonder if 911 operators are sworn officers in Florida. Either way, jury selection will make or break this case unless some new evidence shows up or an admission comes out.


Exactly.

We don't know what happened, but we want to act like we do.

"He got killed for wearing a hoodie!"

"Zimmerman got attacked and he was defending himself!"

"Skittles are dangerous!"

Quit acting like you know what the fark happened, because you don't. What sucks is that this case is tainted because special interests couldn't wait to make it all about themselves and their agendas. All the assholes have to weigh in and give their opinion when they DON'T FARKING KNOW what happened, but, hey, a dead black kid is great publicity. Trayvon Martin is dead, maybe he deserved it, maybe he didn't, but it's gone way past that.

It's gotten to, "How can I make this work for me?" And that farking sucks.
 
2012-04-10 09:11:55 PM

Britney Spear's Speculum: I like how ChuDogg ignores M-oderator's phone call to his girlfriend about some dude following him.


That post made my head hurt. But no,as I said in my original post: (new window)



I would say that Martin was likely hiding close by as that would fit the statements of Martin's girlfriend. The only question left is how they got engaged in the altercation. The girlfriend on the phone's statements assumes that Zimmerman started it (for ambiguous reasons), while Zimmerman's story of walking back to the truck is supported by the scene. Both, could actually be correct, and the exact words may have been assumed or added in by the girlfriend, even unintentionally, as her statements came several weeks later and don't really say who started the altercation one way or the other. There is no evidence either way though, but all evidence so far supports Zimmerman's story. The only thing that indicates him being attack, rather than vice versa, is the altercation taking place in the middle at the walkway, rather than in one of the patios off to the side which would be a likely hiding spot. That would seem to support the assertion that Martin approached Zimmerman and initiated the assault.
 
2012-04-10 09:12:33 PM

Yogimus: theflatline: Florida has 8,269,407 hispanics.
Mass has 500,298 hispanics

Florida has 2,999,86 2 1 blacks
Mass 434,398 blacks

bit of a difference huh?



Especially since you forgot to place that into a complete listing of demographics, to include total population. Poor job.


Mass

People QuickFacts Massachusetts USA
Population definition and source info Population, 2011 estimate 6,587,536 311,591,917
Population definition and source info Population, 2010 6,547,629 308,745,538
Population, percent change definition and source info Population, percent change, 2000 to 2010 3.1% 9.7%
Population definition and source info Population, 2000 6,349,097 281,421,906
Persons under 5 years, percent definition and source info Persons under 5 years, percent, 2010 5.6% 6.5%
Persons under 18 years, percent definition and source info Persons under 18 years, percent, 2010 21.7% 24.0%
Persons 65 years and over, percent definition and source info Persons 65 years and over, percent, 2010 13.8% 13.0%
Female persons, percent definition and source info Female persons, percent, 2010 51.6% 50.8%

White persons, percent definition and source info White persons, percent, 2010 (a) 80.4% 72.4%
Black persons, percent definition and source info Black persons, percent, 2010 (a) 6.6% 12.6%
American Indian and Alaska Native persons, percent definition and source info American Indian and Alaska Native persons, percent, 2010 (a) 0.3% 0.9%
Asian persons, percent definition and source info Asian persons, percent, 2010 (a) 5.3% 4.8%
Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander, percent definition and source info Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander, percent, 2010 (a) 0.0% 0.2%
Persons reporting two or more races, percent definition and source info Persons reporting two or more races, percent, 2010 2.6% 2.9%
Persons of Hispanic or Latino origin, percent definition and source info Persons of Hispanic or Latino origin, percent, 2010 (b) 9.6% 16.3%
White persons not Hispanic, percent definition and source info White persons not Hispanic, percent, 2010 76.1% 63.7%

Florida

Population definition and source info Population, 2011 estimate 19,057,542 311,591,917
Population definition and source info Population, 2010 18,801,310 308,745,538
Population, percent change definition and source info Population, percent change, 2000 to 2010 17.6% 9.7%
Population definition and source info Population, 2000 15,982,378 281,421,906
Persons under 5 years, percent definition and source info Persons under 5 years, percent, 2010 5.7% 6.5%
Persons under 18 years, percent definition and source info Persons under 18 years, percent, 2010 21.3% 24.0%
Persons 65 years and over, percent definition and source info Persons 65 years and over, percent, 2010 17.3% 13.0%
Female persons, percent definition and source info Female persons, percent, 2010 51.1% 50.8%

White persons, percent definition and source info White persons, percent, 2010 (a) 75.0% 72.4%
Black persons, percent definition and source info Black persons, percent, 2010 (a) 16.0% 12.6%
American Indian and Alaska Native persons, percent definition and source info American Indian and Alaska Native persons, percent, 2010 (a) 0.4% 0.9%
Asian persons, percent definition and source info Asian persons, percent, 2010 (a) 2.4% 4.8%
Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander, percent definition and source info Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander, percent, 2010 (a) 0.1% 0.2%
Persons reporting two or more races, percent definition and source info Persons reporting two or more races, percent, 2010 2.5% 2.9%
Persons of Hispanic or Latino origin, percent definition and source info Persons of Hispanic or Latino origin, percent, 2010 (b) 22.5% 16.3%
White persons not Hispanic, percent definition and source info White persons not Hispanic, percent, 2010 57.9% 63.7%
 
2012-04-10 09:12:47 PM

theflatline:
Florida has 8,269,407 hispanics.
Mass has 500,298 hispanics

Florida has 2,999,862 blacks
Mass 434,398 blacks

bit of a difference huh?


total population:
ma: 6,547,629
fl: 18,801,310

what the hell are you trying to say -- it looks like the mix is nearly the same -- the numbers are larger, but let's look at your statement:

>And please people from Ma, Wisconsonin, and other northern states where you guys >hardly have any minorities need to shut the fark up.

did you really mean by number instead of by proportion? you don't find that at all ignorant?
 
2012-04-10 09:13:28 PM

Sarsin: I feel he should lose protection under "stand your ground" when he continued in pursuit against the wishes of 911. To me, it sets a bad legal precedent that you can go looking for trouble and then "defend" yourself.


So you responded to me without reading my post?
 
2012-04-10 09:13:29 PM
Since I suck at photoshoppin somebody should update this meme or something like it.

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-04-10 09:13:51 PM

MattyFridays: So let's say Trayvon jumped Zimmerman and was pounding him. If someone I don't know is pummeling me and I don't know if they have a knife or something worse or there's a potential of me getting curbstomped or worse, then yes, I could see where self-defense would figure into play.

Please stop acting like Zimmerman simply shot Martin in cold blood because you DON'T know that's what happened.



Okay, let's say that.

Where did the altercation take place? Next to Zimmerman's car?

No?

Why wasn't Zimmerman still with his car?

Because he followed after Martin.
...he followed after Martin.
...followed after...
...followed...

Sorry, but when you put yourself into a dangerous situation, it's no longer self-defense.

Were that the case (not saying it isn't), should he be done for murder? I wouldn't say so. Manslaughter, I guess. He killed a guy that he had no pressing need to kill. He wasn't trapped. He wasn't fleeing. He pursued. He was in no danger until he put himself into danger. He was not forced into action by Martin.

Guy may very well have been doing what he thought was the right thing. Hell, he could very well have been doing the right thing, but in the wrong way. That does not absolve one of responsibility for one's poor decisions. He pursued an unknown, which caused (one way or another) an altercation resulting in another person's killing.

So yeah, he's to blame. He may not end up legally guilty, but he is 100% responsible for the slaughter of another human being. The blood is on his hands.
 
2012-04-10 09:14:42 PM

LasersHurt: Even if what he did was legal, I'm hoping some good comes of it and we can get some of these laws fixed. ANY situation of ANY kind that involves shooting to death an innocent teen in his own neighborhood needs to be examined and fixed. This is not something that happens when you've got good, working systems going on.



Why do you hate the police, Citizen?
 
2012-04-10 09:14:43 PM

Headso:

They didn't drop him though he just went rouge and he is behaving erratically but they don't need to tip their hand to the whole farking world about it, they are defense lawyers afterall.


True. I suppose the issue is tact and not result. It would have been better to release a statement. Still, they're high-profile defense attorneys and they've got to get their face in front of a camera. It's what makes them "high-profile".

Zimmerman should have seen this coming. I'm really starting to suspect that Zimmerman is a Class A moron and everything he's gotten himself into might really be more the result of his stupidity over his malice. He didn't shoot the guy because he's black. He shot him because he's too dumb to keep himself out of that situation and to consider the consequences of doing so. Cops go through training to deal with high intensity situations like this. Dunning-Krueger made Zimmerman think he could handle the situation and himself in it.
 
2012-04-10 09:15:07 PM
I think there were two confrontations. The first initiated by Zimmerman, the second by Martin.

On the second confrontation, Martin got in the first good punch and put Zimmerman down. But eventually Zimmerman got on top of Martin and wasn't going to let him up.

The kid flailed and screamed. Either Zimmerman accidentally shot him or he figured it was better to kill the kid than face a lawsuit and a criminal trial. Who knows which one happened.
 
2012-04-10 09:16:00 PM

keithgabryelski: theflatline:
Florida has 8,269,407 hispanics.
Mass has 500,298 hispanics

Florida has 2,999,862 blacks
Mass 434,398 blacks

bit of a difference huh?

total population:
ma: 6,547,629
fl: 18,801,310

what the hell are you trying to say -- it looks like the mix is nearly the same -- the numbers are larger, but let's look at your statement:

>And please people from Ma, Wisconsonin, and other northern states where you guys >hardly have any minorities need to shut the fark up.

did you really mean by number instead of by proportion? you don't find that at all ignorant?


Are you saying that Boston is browner than Florida?
 
2012-04-10 09:17:17 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: But eventually Zimmerman got on top of Martin and wasn't going to let him up.


So you're also going the route of ignoring the eyewitness who saw Martin on top of Zimmerman seconds before the gunshot?
 
2012-04-10 09:17:34 PM

vegasj: BSABSVR: That would be never. But stay scared.

scared? Elaborate please.


It is no secret the DoJ has a special place in their heart for this (new window)... why haven't they investigated the NBPP for publicly placing that bounty? Goes all the way back to his office investigating voter intimidation in Philly.

It is right on video, 2 NBPP members with nightsticks acting as "security" while handing out Dem party fliers... and no charges, nothing. It is already known the MBPP supported Obama too... so, scared? Not really... just informed.


HA! You're racist for pointing out facts!
 
2012-04-10 09:18:29 PM

MattyFridays: So let's say Trayvon jumped Zimmerman and was pounding him. If someone I don't know is pummeling me and I don't know if they have a knife or something worse or there's a potential of me getting curbstomped or worse, then yes, I could see where self-defense would figure into play.


Or, let's say that Zimmerman grabbed Martin ("What are you doing around here?!?"), Martin tried to pull back. Zimmerman escalated, then started losing the fight, and then shot Martin.

Pure speculation, either way.
And if anyone claims otherwise, they are just as responsible for Martins death. They were right there, and should have been able to deescalate the fight.

Let's have it out in a court of law.
 
2012-04-10 09:19:18 PM
Let's drop the whole race and age and look at the basic facts. Person A is on neighborhood watch and sees Person B, calls 911 because they think person B looks suspicious, after talking to 911 follows Person B despite being told not to and proceeds to have a confrontation (though no one seems to be sure who started it) with Person B which ends when Person A shoots and kills Person B. The problem now is that if this incident goes to court it would most likely end badly for Zimmerman, and by ignoring the lawyers trying to help him he's just making it that much more likely to end up in court and turning out badly.
 
2012-04-10 09:19:50 PM

Rapmaster2000: Headso:

They didn't drop him though he just went rouge and he is behaving erratically but they don't need to tip their hand to the whole farking world about it, they are defense lawyers afterall.

True. I suppose the issue is tact and not result. It would have been better to release a statement. Still, they're high-profile defense attorneys and they've got to get their face in front of a camera. It's what makes them "high-profile".

Zimmerman should have seen this coming. I'm really starting to suspect that Zimmerman is a Class A moron and everything he's gotten himself into might really be more the result of his stupidity over his malice. He didn't shoot the guy because he's black. He shot him because he's too dumb to keep himself out of that situation and to consider the consequences of doing so. Cops go through training to deal with high intensity situations like this. Dunning-Krueger made Zimmerman think he could handle the situation and himself in it.


While I agree with most of what you wrote I'd add that his moranic feats to handle this on his own is interestingly the exact behavior that got him in to trouble in the first place. It's like he is a super control freak or something, i bet he always wants to ride in the front seat...
 
2012-04-10 09:20:23 PM

vegasj: It is right on video, 2 NBPP members with nightsticks acting as "security" while handing out Dem party fliers... and no charges, nothing. It is already known the MBPP supported Obama too... so, scared? Not really... just informed.


You mean the one where an investigation found that there were no ethical problems with the investigation of this issue? By the OPR which is a non-partisan nonpolitical office?

Oh yeah, that.
 
2012-04-10 09:20:29 PM

Kuroshin: Sorry, but when you put yourself into a dangerous situation, it's no longer self-defense.


Sorry, the law doesn't agree with you. You're legally allowed to walk around your neighborhood at night. Whether in Florida or liberal Massachusetts. The only thing we know from the 911 tape is that Zimmerman attempted to report Martin's location, as he was asked twice by the operator. And there is no indication he attempted to follow Martin after being suggested not to.

If you want to make a hypothetical "well if there is evidence he continued to follow I think he should lose self defense immunity", that's a fine conjecture to make. The prosecution will have the burden of finding that evidence.

It will be a tough find, however, as the scene of the altercation takes place at Zimmermans location. (new window)
 
2012-04-10 09:21:33 PM

ChuDogg: Britney Spear's Speculum: I like how ChuDogg ignores M-oderator's phone call to his girlfriend about some dude following him.

That post made my head hurt. But no,as I said in my original post: (new window)



I would say that Martin was likely hiding close by as that would fit the statements of Martin's girlfriend. The only question left is how they got engaged in the altercation. The girlfriend on the phone's statements assumes that Zimmerman started it (for ambiguous reasons), while Zimmerman's story of walking back to the truck is supported by the scene. Both, could actually be correct, and the exact words may have been assumed or added in by the girlfriend, even unintentionally, as her statements came several weeks later and don't really say who started the altercation one way or the other. There is no evidence either way though, but all evidence so far supports Zimmerman's story. The only thing that indicates him being attack, rather than vice versa, is the altercation taking place in the middle at the walkway, rather than in one of the patios off to the side which would be a likely hiding spot. That would seem to support the assertion that Martin approached Zimmerman and initiated the assault.



Heh, it was tough typing it out! Took me forever!

And you have a fair point as to the "how." M-artini (sorry, I'll stop now) could very well have been dumb enough to pounce on a pursuer that had turned away. In that case, he done got hisself Darwined.

However, Zimmerman made the initial decisions to pursue. He created the scenario which led to the killing of another person. He is to blame and is responsible, regardless of legal standing. If I jump a fence into a junk yard and get bit by the guard dog, it's my own fault even if I was doing something so noble as retrieving a frisbee for local yoots. Had I not jumped that fence, and had Zimmerman not pursued (against the council of the police, FFS), neither event would have occurred.
 
2012-04-10 09:21:36 PM
So did they ever release where trayvon was shot? wanted to make a "boom headshot" gif
 
2012-04-10 09:21:45 PM

9beers: TheShavingofOccam123: But eventually Zimmerman got on top of Martin and wasn't going to let him up.

So you're also going the route of ignoring the eyewitness who saw Martin on top of Zimmerman seconds before the gunshot?


Keep fighting the good fight, brother! TEAM ZIMMERMAN!
 
2012-04-10 09:22:06 PM
This is why Batman doesn't use guns.
 
2012-04-10 09:23:38 PM

Rapmaster2000: 9beers: TheShavingofOccam123: But eventually Zimmerman got on top of Martin and wasn't going to let him up.

So you're also going the route of ignoring the eyewitness who saw Martin on top of Zimmerman seconds before the gunshot?

Keep fighting the good fight, brother! TEAM ZIMMERMAN!


In his defense, shortly after the incident occurred, someone DID come forward to state exactly that.
 
2012-04-10 09:24:03 PM

theflatline:
did you really mean by number instead of by proportion? you don't find that at all ignorant?

Are you saying that Boston is browner than Florida?


proportionally it seems to be similar.

by weight, it seems florida is both browner and whiter than massachusetts:


mass whites: 5,265,236
mass black: 434,398

florida whites: 14,109,162
florida blacks: 2,999,862

geeze, man... the only reasonable way to look at this ... fark it ... where's my beer.
 
2012-04-10 09:24:10 PM

Gairloch: Let's drop the whole race and age and look at the basic facts.


Sounds good to me.

Gairloch: after talking to 911 follows Person B despite being told not to


i51.tinypic.com
 
2012-04-10 09:26:54 PM
Oh great another Zimmerman thread....Let me recap:
1. A 17 year old minority gets shot by a 28 year old minority

2. The police do an initial investigations
a. interview witnesses
b. take photographs
c. collect physical evidence
d. detain Zimmerman and question him
e. prepare a report and submit it to the DA

3. The DA reviews (a poorly??) written law, the police report and I assume has a discussion with the lead investigator, decides no charges, Zimmerman acted within the scope of the law

4. The case sits idle for over a month , until it becomes public knowledge , some of the public perceive an injustice (not saying there was not one)

5. Al , Jessie and their willing allies in the media, somehow turn a Hispanic into a white guy just to flame the racial divide in this county

6. Public pressure forces an independent investigation of the incident (not a bad thing), however the current political climate forces that no matter what, Zimmerman has to be arrested and tried (that is a bad thing)

7. Zimmerman has a trial
a. Found guilty of murder - no riots
b. Found guilty of lesser charge -riots
c. Found not guilty -riots

8. The options under # 7 could have been avoided if the typical racebaiters (see #5) would have reported this incident without their preconceived and manufactured racism.
 
2012-04-10 09:27:45 PM

9beers: Gairloch: Let's drop the whole race and age and look at the basic facts.

Sounds good to me.

Gairloch: after talking to 911 follows Person B despite being told not to

[i51.tinypic.com image 251x159]


Oh come on what about that doesn't seem right to you? Sheesh.
 
2012-04-10 09:28:03 PM

Yogimus: Rapmaster2000: 9beers: TheShavingofOccam123: But eventually Zimmerman got on top of Martin and wasn't going to let him up.

So you're also going the route of ignoring the eyewitness who saw Martin on top of Zimmerman seconds before the gunshot?

Keep fighting the good fight, brother! TEAM ZIMMERMAN!

In his defense, shortly after the incident occurred, someone DID come forward to
state exactly that.


Have you ever watched wrestling, like olympic wrestling and not fake wwe stuff? Positioning changes all the time, and in a street tussle, there is no more logical reasoning that if you somehow ended up in a dominant position that you started there.
 
2012-04-10 09:28:06 PM

keithgabryelski: by weight, it seems florida is both browner and whiter than massachusetts:


both in total tonnage and lbs per capita.
 
2012-04-10 09:28:11 PM

ChuDogg: Kuroshin: Sorry, but when you put yourself into a dangerous situation, it's no longer self-defense.

Sorry, the law doesn't agree with you. You're legally allowed to walk around your neighborhood at night. Whether in Florida or liberal Massachusetts. The only thing we know from the 911 tape is that Zimmerman attempted to report Martin's location, as he was asked twice by the operator. And there is no indication he attempted to follow Martin after being suggested not to.

If you want to make a hypothetical "well if there is evidence he continued to follow I think he should lose self defense immunity", that's a fine conjecture to make. The prosecution will have the burden of finding that evidence.

It will be a tough find, however, as the scene of the altercation takes place at Zimmermans location. (new window)



No doubt, but I'm not making a legal argument, I'm making one of "this guy is an idiot who has blood on his hands."

If you aren't an LEO, you do not pursue. Ever. Report last-known location and GTFO.

Oh, and , "You're legally allowed to walk around your neighborhood at night." - apparently unless some idiot with a gun wants to accost you. Granted, that one does swing both ways...
 
2012-04-10 09:28:12 PM

9beers: TheShavingofOccam123: But eventually Zimmerman got on top of Martin and wasn't going to let him up.

So you're also going the route of ignoring the eyewitness who saw Martin on top of Zimmerman seconds before the gunshot?


No. I'm going with the idea that when John the witness started toward his home, Martin was on top. By the time John got upstairs, Martin was no longer on top and had been shot.

Just like in MMA, you can be a wonderful puncher and knock people down but if you can't grapple and you get close, you're in serious trouble. Especially if the other guy has training in subduing suspects and he has a gun.
 
2012-04-10 09:28:30 PM
upload.wikimedia.org

RIP GEORGE ZIMMERMAN

/hot corner
 
2012-04-10 09:29:07 PM
Didn't read the article nor the comments, however, I have only six words to say leading up to this race war....THAT MESTIZO SON OF A biatch!
 
2012-04-10 09:29:45 PM

9beers: TheShavingofOccam123: But eventually Zimmerman got on top of Martin and wasn't going to let him up.

So you're also going the route of ignoring the eyewitness who saw Martin on top of Zimmerman seconds before the gunshot?


Which eyewitness the 15 year old who couldn't see what was going on or the guy who went into his house to call 911 and couldn't see what was going on?
 
2012-04-10 09:30:39 PM

osafer: 5. Al , Jessie and their willing allies in the media, somehow turn a Hispanic into a white guy just to flame the racial divide in this county


This shiat? This right here? This sounds pretty racist, and a lot of people are doing it.

Black people didn't make this a race thing, people from every race did. A shiatload of people thought there were racial motives here, but for some reason some people like yourself want to blame it all on the blacks.

Which kind of brings us back around to why so many people through race might be an issue, since the US is still racist as shiat in many/most places.
 
2012-04-10 09:30:51 PM

theflatline: Zimmerman is not white, he has a last name that is normally considered Caucasian, but his face and his voice is Mexican as they come. And I say this as a latino moron who didn't RTFA.


FTFA: "Zimmerman, whose father is white and his mother Peruvian..."

So close...only a continent away.

/ Why is "white" an okay description for his father, but they name his mother's country? Couldn't they be more specific for his dad, like "German-American" or something?
 
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