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2012-04-10 08:22:06 PM

LasersHurt: cuzsis: LasersHurt: An armed man confronted and killed an unarmed teenager. This is a problem, no matter the specifics.

This farker (LasersHurt) believes that there is *no* specifics that could possibly make killing an unarmed teenager okay.

You know, despite the fact that an unarmed teenager is perfectly capable of beating someone to death (just like adults are).

So, according to this farker, even if the unarmed teenager was beating someone to death, that person should not use a gun to kill him.

This is almost the exact same type of bullshiat "zero tolerance" policy about fighting that a lot of public schools take. "We don't care if you are defending yourself, you're going to get expelled too."

Your comment makes less than zero sense in our current conversation.

Go troll somewhere else.

I said he "confronted," THEN killed him. If you are armed, start a confrontation, then kill the other person, you are a coward and a criminal.


So if you ask a suspicious person what he's doing out there (you know, instead of letting him wander off to break into your neighbors house), and he decides to try to kill you, and you end up killing him instead, that makes you a coward and a criminal.

So according to you, asking someone what they are doing out there, is apparently reasonable grounds for that person to kill you.

Nice.
 
2012-04-10 08:22:09 PM

Diodorus: How ambiguous is the "Stand your Ground" law? Can I pick a fight and when my victim "stands his ground" and starts beating me up, can I "Stand my ground" and shoot him?


Stand your ground is actually pretty clear that if you instigate or advance to trigger the confrontation, the law does not apply. However if you shoot the other guy (also the only direct witness), it's a biatch to contradict you when you say the dead guy attacked you.
 
2012-04-10 08:22:44 PM

Warlordtrooper: jaybeezey: Weaver95: netweavr: Weaver95: Zimmerman seems...unwise.

He's a 28 year old kid who has half the country ready to lynch him.

*sigh*

I know. i'll never make the big leagues. i'm just not willing to murder innocents to up my rep score.

Murder involves premeditation, you may have problems proving that.

He lost the right to use stand your ground as a defense when he got out of his car and provoked the situation by stalking the kid.

YOU DO NOT GET TO CLAIM SELF DEFENSE IF YOU INITIATE THE CONFRONTATION.


In Florida you can.
 
2012-04-10 08:22:57 PM

LasersHurt: stonelotus: Could someone please explain this whole "race" thing to me again? Zimmerman is half white so he gets called white. Obama is half white and he gets called black. One of the Tulsa shooters is Native American and he gets called white. So was Seung-Hui Cho Korean or white?

With Zimmerman it's the name. If his last name were Gutierrez he'd be hispanic.


Shame La Razza would really round out this circus.
 
2012-04-10 08:23:01 PM

LasersHurt: doglover: Bf+: Florida 776.013.3: person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force

A damn good law.

No, it's not. It's clearly not, or we wouldn't have a dead kid and a free vigilante.


Maybe, and stop me if I'm going to fast for you, vigilantism is "unlawful activity" Did you stop and consider that?
 
2012-04-10 08:23:03 PM

Warlordtrooper: He lost the right to use stand your ground as a defense when he got out of his car and provoked the situation by stalking the kid.

YOU DO NOT GET TO CLAIM SELF DEFENSE IF YOU INITIATE THE CONFRONTATION.


Realistically, that's up to the judge. The judge can either allow the jury to hear it and let them decide, or state as a matter of law that it isn't a valid defense and wait for the appeals to finish before the case even happens.
 
2012-04-10 08:23:09 PM

9beers: Weaver95: witnesses are unreliable at best. ask anyone who's ever taken a psych 101 class about that sort of thing....

Yep, multiple police officers, paramedics and an eyewitness are all lying to cover for Zimmerman.


Oh, they all saw Martin attack Zimmerman? Huh. It's weird that they were all there at the time.
 
2012-04-10 08:23:19 PM

cameroncrazy1984: theflatline: There is no racial issue here

Right, because latinos are legally unable to hate blacks.

As a latino, you're an idiot.


Actually no, we are not unable to hate anyone, but when the moral majority of the Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson found out her was mexican, he was automatically called a white hispanic, which he is obviously is not.

See as a mix of white, black, and latino, with a bit of jew, i do not see race, but i have a problems with those who do.
 
2012-04-10 08:24:07 PM

theflatline: Zimmerman is not white, he has a last name that is normally considered Caucasian, but his face and his voice is Mexican as they come. And I say this as a latino.

There is no racial issue here, it is an issue of what happened that night.

And please people from Ma, Wisconsonin, and other northern states where you guys hardly have any minorities need to shut the fark up.


newsimg.ngfiles.com
 
2012-04-10 08:24:15 PM

cuzsis: LasersHurt: cuzsis: LasersHurt: An armed man confronted and killed an unarmed teenager. This is a problem, no matter the specifics.

This farker (LasersHurt) believes that there is *no* specifics that could possibly make killing an unarmed teenager okay.

You know, despite the fact that an unarmed teenager is perfectly capable of beating someone to death (just like adults are).

So, according to this farker, even if the unarmed teenager was beating someone to death, that person should not use a gun to kill him.

This is almost the exact same type of bullshiat "zero tolerance" policy about fighting that a lot of public schools take. "We don't care if you are defending yourself, you're going to get expelled too."

Your comment makes less than zero sense in our current conversation.

Go troll somewhere else.

I said he "confronted," THEN killed him. If you are armed, start a confrontation, then kill the other person, you are a coward and a criminal.

So if you ask a suspicious person what he's doing out there (you know, instead of letting him wander off to break into your neighbors house), and he decides to try to kill you, and you end up killing him instead, that makes you a coward and a criminal.

So according to you, asking someone what they are doing out there, is apparently reasonable grounds for that person to kill you.

Nice.


It's kind of tiring that you're unable to converse without intentionally distorting things.

He didn't just say "hey, what are you doing?" and started getting beaten down, as far as anyone knows. He got out of his car and followed him some 30 yards off the road with a handgun.

My larger point, in case you're missing it (you are) is that there needs to be WAY, WAY more restriction on fatal shootings, not less. You can't create a situation then kill your way out of it - it's cowardly.
 
2012-04-10 08:24:20 PM

ha-ha-guy: Diodorus: How ambiguous is the "Stand your Ground" law? Can I pick a fight and when my victim "stands his ground" and starts beating me up, can I "Stand my ground" and shoot him?

Stand your ground is actually pretty clear that if you instigate or advance to trigger the confrontation, the law does not apply. However if you shoot the other guy (also the only direct witness), it's a biatch to contradict you when you say the dead guy attacked you.


I blame Florida and all its citizens.


Reap the whirlwind, Florida....REAP IT!
 
2012-04-10 08:24:25 PM

Ender's: In the court of public opinion he's guilty. In a court of law, he isn't even on trial. People need to disassociate their feelings for a couple of minutes to think it over like rational sane people before firing up the torches.


Heh, Never happen. Besides, if one does take the rational sane position, one gets branded an "apologist" and "racist". Lol.
 
2012-04-10 08:24:32 PM

The_Six_Fingered_Man: Warlordtrooper: jaybeezey: Weaver95: netweavr: Weaver95: Zimmerman seems...unwise.

He's a 28 year old kid who has half the country ready to lynch him.

*sigh*

I know. i'll never make the big leagues. i'm just not willing to murder innocents to up my rep score.

Murder involves premeditation, you may have problems proving that.

He lost the right to use stand your ground as a defense when he got out of his car and provoked the situation by stalking the kid.

YOU DO NOT GET TO CLAIM SELF DEFENSE IF YOU INITIATE THE CONFRONTATION.

In Florida you can.


Yes, yelling things contradictory to reality doesn't make them so.
 
2012-04-10 08:24:46 PM

LasersHurt: At best what those witnesses said is he had wounds on his head, and the video from the station doesn't even confirm this.


No, what the police report said is that he was bleeding from the nose and the back of the head and that he was treated by paramedics at the scene. So right there, you have multiple witnesses that can confirm his wounds. The higher resolution copy of the tape clearly shows wounds to the back of his head and what looks to be a broken nose. You can speculate about the nose all you want but the wounds to the back of his head can not be disputed.
 
2012-04-10 08:24:53 PM

cuzsis: LasersHurt: cuzsis: LasersHurt: An armed man confronted and killed an unarmed teenager. This is a problem, no matter the specifics.

This farker (LasersHurt) believes that there is *no* specifics that could possibly make killing an unarmed teenager okay.

You know, despite the fact that an unarmed teenager is perfectly capable of beating someone to death (just like adults are).

So, according to this farker, even if the unarmed teenager was beating someone to death, that person should not use a gun to kill him.

This is almost the exact same type of bullshiat "zero tolerance" policy about fighting that a lot of public schools take. "We don't care if you are defending yourself, you're going to get expelled too."

Your comment makes less than zero sense in our current conversation.

Go troll somewhere else.

I said he "confronted," THEN killed him. If you are armed, start a confrontation, then kill the other person, you are a coward and a criminal.

So if you ask a suspicious person what he's doing out there (you know, instead of letting him wander off to break into your neighbors house), and he decides to try to kill you, and you end up killing him instead, that makes you a coward and a criminal.

So according to you, asking someone what they are doing out there, is apparently reasonable grounds for that person to kill you.

Nice.


You're right. Treyvon Martin was the aggressor. Someone should arrest him.
 
2012-04-10 08:25:03 PM
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This is so not gonna end well...
 
2012-04-10 08:25:27 PM

doglover: LasersHurt: doglover: Bf+: Florida 776.013.3: person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force

A damn good law.

No, it's not. It's clearly not, or we wouldn't have a dead kid and a free vigilante.

Maybe, and stop me if I'm going to fast for you, vigilantism is "unlawful activity" Did you stop and consider that?


Has anyone? I don't think it's even come up that he might be a "vigilante," because, as you say, that's illegal, and the police would have arrested him, right? Right?
 
2012-04-10 08:25:52 PM

theflatline: Actually no, we are not unable to hate anyone


Oh, so you think you are arguing with idiots. Good to know.
 
2012-04-10 08:25:56 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Oh, they all saw Martin attack Zimmerman?


Yeah, you're pretty much done.
 
2012-04-10 08:25:57 PM

Muta: MattyFridays: Zimmerman has basically been convicted by the court of public opinion and there's no way he'll get a fair trial if he does get charged with something.

What trial did Trayvon Martin get before he was executed for the crime of carrying skittles while wearing a hoodie?


Well, let's apply some basic common sense here.

People like to say Zimmerman was a "wanna-be cop". Continually used. Never mind the fact he was actually going to school for criminal justice.

But all those 911 calls... all those incidents. No one ever got hurt. No one ever got shot. So what made this case, if Zimmerman is such a pest and a neighborhood hound, that Trayvon Martin got shot? Especially since he shot in the chest at close range?

Obviously SOMETHING happened that made Zimmerman feel threatened and pull his gun.

I'm not saying Zimmerman is innocent or he had fair use of self-defense. But SOMETHING happened, and he deserves a fair trial. But if you listen to most people, Zimmerman double tapped Trayvon in the back of the head and laughed about it with the cops.
 
2012-04-10 08:26:29 PM

9beers: LasersHurt: At best what those witnesses said is he had wounds on his head, and the video from the station doesn't even confirm this.

No, what the police report said is that he was bleeding from the nose and the back of the head and that he was treated by paramedics at the scene. So right there, you have multiple witnesses that can confirm his wounds. The higher resolution copy of the tape clearly shows wounds to the back of his head and what looks to be a broken nose. You can speculate about the nose all you want but the wounds to the back of his head can not be disputed.


Welcome to a Zimmerman thread. Schroedinger's facts are in play. (They only exist if I choose to observe them)
 
2012-04-10 08:26:40 PM

Satanic_Hamster: jayhawk88: It does seem kind of weird. Good lawyers generally don't look to jettison themselves from high profile cases, as even if they're on the "wrong" side, if they do their job well it's good pub for them. Granted Zimmerman going underground for two days right now is galactically stupid, but technically he's not done anything wrong by doing so, right? He wasn't on any kind of court-ordered travel restrictions or anything I assume?

Read the article. High profile case, you have a client repeatably ignoring advice, doing interviews, and publishing websites about the case without consulting them? And THEN not answering the phone for two days?

Can you blame them?


Not really, but still, seems like they had kind of a hair trigger. It's not like this was an open and shut case they had no hope of winning (assuming it even got that far).
 
2012-04-10 08:26:46 PM

theflatline: Actually no, we are not unable to hate anyone, but when the moral majority of the Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson found out her was mexican, he was automatically called a white hispanic, which he is obviously is not.


So?

What you said was "there is no racial issue here."

It doesn't matter if he's white hispanic, green hispanic, blue, purple or orange. If you hate someone because of their race, there's a "racial issue" in play.
 
2012-04-10 08:26:48 PM

9beers: cameroncrazy1984: Oh, they all saw Martin attack Zimmerman?

Yeah, you're pretty much done.


I dunno...I thought he was rather amusing.
 
2012-04-10 08:27:09 PM

MattyFridays: Zimmerman double tapped Trayvon in the back of the head and laughed about it with the cops.


While drinking iced tea and eating Skittles.
 
2012-04-10 08:27:22 PM

cameroncrazy1984: 9beers: Weaver95: witnesses are unreliable at best. ask anyone who's ever taken a psych 101 class about that sort of thing....

Yep, multiple police officers, paramedics and an eyewitness are all lying to cover for Zimmerman.

Oh, they all saw Martin attack Zimmerman? Huh. It's weird that they were all there at the time.


You are trying to debate a moron.
 
2012-04-10 08:27:44 PM

Rent Party: He is on record with "I had a gun, I left my vehicle against the advice of dispatch, I shot the kid."


mooseyfate: Unfortunately, it's since come to light that Zimmerman was infact NOT standing his ground, he was actively pursuing this ki


Rent Party: . If Zimmerman forcibly stopped him, that's kidnapping. And that qualifies for 1st under Florida law.


etc.

Allright guys I'm gonna do this once and get it out of the way, and only post one picture because as everybody knows pictures are important, almost as important as graphs and 243% more important than links.

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Rest of it here: Link (new window)

And last post with pictures on the ground here: Link (new window)

Here's what we know:

We know where Zimmerman left his car.
We know when Zimmerman got out of his car.
We know why Zimmerman got of his car.
We know how far Zimmerman moved during the 911 call.
We Know where Zimemrman stopped his forward movement.
We know when Zimmerman stopped his forward movement
We know how long Zimmerman remained stationary while on the line with 911.
We know where Zimmerman and Martin got in their attack.

We do NOT know HOW the altercation started. Stating anything is pure speculation.

Now if one wants to assume that Zimmerman chased down Martin for a hypothetical conclusion they want to make, that's fine. But if you want to make it a statement of fact I would like to see what exactly you have that supports that Zimmerman chased and confronted Martin. Please look at the map and tell me how Zimmerman continued to chase martin for 2 minutes on the phone with 911 yet somehow only moved down a 10-15 meter sidewalk from his truck.
 
2012-04-10 08:27:55 PM

FlashHarry: you're going to jail, buddy. good thing, too.


For what? According to Florida's Stand Your Ground law, "feeling threatened" is legally justifiable grounds for the use of deadly force. You can't prove he didn't feel threatened, so there's no case against him.

You can thank Florida's insane legislature for that. No wonder that place has its own tag.
 
2012-04-10 08:28:15 PM

theflatline: cameroncrazy1984: theflatline: There is no racial issue here

Right, because latinos are legally unable to hate blacks.

As a latino, you're an idiot.

Actually no, we are not unable to hate anyone, but when the moral majority of the Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson found out her was mexican, he was automatically called a white hispanic, which he is obviously is not.

See as a mix of white, black, and latino, with a bit of jew, i do not see race, but i have a problems with those who do.


You're missing a large part of the issue. The biggest reason that people are crying injustice is that Zimmerman has not even been charged yet. And the murder would have been swept under the rug had the media not intervened. And George Zimmerman is unable to accomplish all that on his lonesome. If Martin was a skinny white kid and Zimmerman was a black adult, do you think that he would have been able to go home after the shooting?
 
2012-04-10 08:28:20 PM

jaybeezey: Weaver95: netweavr: Weaver95: Zimmerman seems...unwise.

He's a 28 year old kid who has half the country ready to lynch him.

*sigh*

I know. i'll never make the big leagues. i'm just not willing to murder innocents to up my rep score.

Murder involves premeditation, you may have problems proving that.


Zimmerman was in his car, driving around, when he saw Martin and decided to call 911.

He then proceeded to stop his car, unbuckle his seat belt (if he was wearing it), open the door, get out of his car with his gun, follow Martin (like he was told not to by the 911 dispatcher), pull his gun from the holster, point the gun at Martin, put his finger into the trigger well, and pull the trigger.

I don't think the prosecutor will have too much trouble proving premeditation. All they need to do is press charges so they have the opportunity to prove it in court.
 
2012-04-10 08:29:01 PM

keithgabryelski: steamingpile: WingedMonkeyRescueEffort: steamingpile: WingedMonkeyRescueEffort: B) No, we don't. Dude shot a kid, even our racists have more class than that.

I have been to boston so you cant lie to me like that.

I'm currently writing this from Allston. No lie, bro.

Considering I had more guys use racial epithets in my 1 year of working up there than my entire life in the south spent in the mountains of North GA and boondocks of central florida I would say you are full of shiat.

boston has its issues with racism. driving while black is still an offense.
and there are certain areas black people have only recently been comfortable visiting.

but one year vs. your entire life?

I've lived here for 20 years and have not seen the level of racism i've been confronted with in the south, west (where i grew up) and midwest.


Maybe because Ma is 80 percent white,.

As a latino who has lived in San Fran, New York, Philadelphia, and the south, I have never had more racial prejudice towards me than in the north and on the west coast.
 
2012-04-10 08:29:03 PM
The special prosecutor has announced a press conference to take place in the next 72 hours.
 
2012-04-10 08:29:04 PM

furiousxgeorge: Ender's: In a court of law, he isn't even on trial.

That is what we are complaining about.


Personally, from all I've read, the dude should fry.

But, but, BUT....

Duke LaCrosse. I'm willing to wait and see before I start lynching the guy.
 
Bf+
2012-04-10 08:29:08 PM

Diodorus: How ambiguous is the "Stand your Ground" law?


Waaaay to ambiguous.

Can I pick a fight and when my victim "stands his ground" and starts beating me up, can I "Stand my ground" and shoot him?

Looks like it... It will take a couple more deaths / trails to work that out... all in good time.


The problem is Florida

THIS.

and its farked up society which says its ok for someone to do what Zimmerman did.

The NRA is the group that pushed for this crap.
Florida society (and it's heightened racism) is as much as fault for buying into it.
 
2012-04-10 08:29:13 PM

Diodorus: ha-ha-guy: Diodorus: How ambiguous is the "Stand your Ground" law? Can I pick a fight and when my victim "stands his ground" and starts beating me up, can I "Stand my ground" and shoot him?

Stand your ground is actually pretty clear that if you instigate or advance to trigger the confrontation, the law does not apply. However if you shoot the other guy (also the only direct witness), it's a biatch to contradict you when you say the dead guy attacked you.

I blame Florida and all its citizens.


Reap the whirlwind, Florida....REAP IT!


Luckily Zimmerman may have incriminated himself since he admitted to getting out of the SUV when he saw Trayvon. However he later amended that statement to say he got out of the SUV to look at street signs, not on account of spotting Trayvon. It seems despite being in his own subdivision, which only has a handful of streets, he had to get out and look for street signs to find his way home.

That's really why I want Zimmerman to see the inside of a courtroom. Dude has been all over the map with his statements and a lot of them don't smell right. I'd be interesting to see him facing a competent prosecutor and what the jury would decide based off of it.
 
2012-04-10 08:29:28 PM

ha-ha-guy: *adjusts tinfoil*

My off the wall (and likely wrong) theory of the day. Zimmerman is in hiding due to the threat of mob justice, or so he says. If you look at at his legal history (the domestic abuse, the fighting with the cop) in the past connected friends and family members have fixed it for him before it made it to court. Now though if the special prosecutor opts to charge, no way you can fix this one before court.

Thus the crazy theory is he is cutting off ties so if he is charged he can flee. Hence the not returning calls or anything. He's trying to drop off the grid and if the charges come in, he's gone.


OK. The "domestic abuse" was a civil, not a criminal charge that was levied by the ex-girlfriend trying to get a restraining order. He was also trying to get a restraining order against her, and nothing ever came of it.

The cop-shoving incident that went away was pre-trial intervention, which is usually available for most people with clean records and a good lawyer for non-violent crimes. He did something stupid while drunk.
 
2012-04-10 08:29:29 PM

LasersHurt: stonelotus: Could someone please explain this whole "race" thing to me again? Zimmerman is half white so he gets called white. Obama is half white and he gets called black. One of the Tulsa shooters is Native American and he gets called white. So was Seung-Hui Cho Korean or white?

With Zimmerman it's the name. If his last name were Gutierrez he'd be hispanic.


Does that make Obama muslim then?

/Okay - I'll stop trolling now
//Promise
 
2012-04-10 08:29:38 PM

LasersHurt: He didn't just say "hey, what are you doing?" and started getting beaten down, as far as anyone knows. He got out of his car and followed him some 30 yards off the road with a handgun.


That's the part that gets me about Zimmerman's story. He said he got out to check the street sign. How on earth did he end up 30 feet off the road if he was looking for the street sign of the road he was already on? Especially if, as he says, he was "heading back to his car" when the confrontation happened.
 
2012-04-10 08:30:06 PM

LasersHurt: ...
My larger point, in case you're missing it (you are) is that there needs to be WAY, WAY more restriction on fatal shootings, not less. You can't create a situation then kill your way out of it - it's cowardly.


Good point. However, my take away is that "killing my way out of it" is going right into my vernacular.

/Killing my way out of this thread.
//Slashies are for killing your way out of things.
 
2012-04-10 08:30:11 PM

ChuDogg: Now if one wants to assume that Zimmerman chased down Martin for a hypothetical conclusion they want to make, that's fine. But if you want to make it a statement of fact I would like to see what exactly you have that supports that Zimmerman chased and confronted Martin. Please look at the map and tell me how Zimmerman continued to chase martin for 2 minutes on the phone with 911 yet somehow only moved down a 10-15 meter sidewalk from his truck.


I'm curious as to what YOU think happened in the intervening minute and a half.
 
2012-04-10 08:30:31 PM

ha-ha-guy: He's trying to drop off the grid and if the charges come in, he's gone.


We disagree. He's in-over-his-head-scared and his life is forever out of control. He's gone from a wannbe cop to a (real or imagined) hunted man. He's the only known eye-witness to a senseless killing and simply wants his old life back, which he will never get. (Think some lotto winners).

If YOU had seen the shooting, would YOU come forward now? Not me. I'd STFU and get on with my life knowing my 15 minutes of fame would ruin my life. Remember, he called HANNITY. What in-control, sane person would do that?

/Nancy Grace, maybe, but Hannity?
 
2012-04-10 08:30:35 PM

Diodorus: cameroncrazy1984: 9beers: Weaver95: witnesses are unreliable at best. ask anyone who's ever taken a psych 101 class about that sort of thing....

Yep, multiple police officers, paramedics and an eyewitness are all lying to cover for Zimmerman.

Oh, they all saw Martin attack Zimmerman? Huh. It's weird that they were all there at the time.

You are trying to debate a moron.


Yeah, a Herculean effort if ever there was one.
 
2012-04-10 08:30:43 PM

9beers: LasersHurt: At best what those witnesses said is he had wounds on his head, and the video from the station doesn't even confirm this.

No, what the police report said is that he was bleeding from the nose and the back of the head and that he was treated by paramedics at the scene. So right there, you have multiple witnesses that can confirm his wounds. The higher resolution copy of the tape clearly shows wounds to the back of his head and what looks to be a broken nose. You can speculate about the nose all you want but the wounds to the back of his head can not be disputed.


lol no it does not. You just foolin.
 
2012-04-10 08:30:49 PM

Fart_Machine: bulldg4life: Calling Sean Hannity, fleeing Florida, abandoning his lawyers....

All we need now is a low-speed chance in a Ford Bronco.

[blogs.riverfronttimes.com image 622x462]


You do understand he was subsequently found 'not guilty', right?

/just saying...
 
2012-04-10 08:30:52 PM

MattyFridays: OK. The "domestic abuse" was a civil, not a criminal charge that was levied by the ex-girlfriend trying to get a restraining order. He was also trying to get a restraining order against her, and nothing ever came of it.

The cop-shoving incident that went away was pre-trial intervention, which is usually available for most people with clean records and a good lawyer for non-violent crimes. He did something stupid while drunk.


But Martin owned a screwdriver so that makes him the bad guy. If only his skin were lighter, then he'd get all this benefit-of-the-doubt being heaped on Zimmerman...
 
2012-04-10 08:30:57 PM

cameroncrazy1984: topcon: Can't wait to see the 3,000 response final thread on this when it's finally decided he's not going to be arrested.

I can't wait to see your outrage when he actually is arrested.


Nope, I don't care enough about anyone involved be outraged over it. I'm never outraged over anything, to be factual. I wouldn't be outraged over my own death. I could give a shiat about Zimmerman or Trayvon.

I do love seeing how people so enthusiastically react to various news stories, though. It's almost got to be some kind of at least minor mental sickness to get so worked up over some of this stuff, i.e. the people you see posting in literally 75 percent of threads on Fark. A combination of no job and mental sickness, anyway.
 
2012-04-10 08:31:06 PM

cameroncrazy1984: theflatline: Actually no, we are not unable to hate anyone, but when the moral majority of the Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson found out her was mexican, he was automatically called a white hispanic, which he is obviously is not.

So?

What you said was "there is no racial issue here."

It doesn't matter if he's white hispanic, green hispanic, blue, purple or orange. If you hate someone because of their race, there's a "racial issue" in play.


Zimmerman was the guy who was an active member helping the black community... But you know I guess that news doesnt float up to the land of the buffalo wings.
 
2012-04-10 08:31:55 PM
"These attorneys continue to make irresponsible statement to the media," Jackson said. "Not only have they spoken recklessly about racial issues, enflaming passions and reinforcing sterotypes, but now they have throw their own client, George Zimmerman, under the bus by allluding to his possible flight from justice."

does seem pretty odd for these lawyers to have a press conference about a guy who is no longer their client. Who are they billing for that time?
 
2012-04-10 08:32:31 PM
I can't believe you people are actually re-discussing the fine details of all this for the 12th time, as if any of you know what really happened pro or con to your stance on it.
 
2012-04-10 08:32:56 PM

asmodeus224:

I could be wrong, i don't watch cable news 24/7, but my understanding was Martin had no police record whatsoever whereas Zimmerman has been arrested and had a restraining order filed against him. If I am wrong on this please let me know.


Zimmerman had been arrested for being stupid while drunk. The "restraining order" was requested but never given. Zimmerman also applied for a restraining order against his ex, which was also never granted.

Mind you, all of this happened six years ago, and Zimmerman's kept his nose clean since.
 
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