Weaver95: steamingpile: That would imply I care and as stated earlier I usually just ignore you, the volume of posts in zimerman threads by you has been astounding though, do you ever step outside?.

actually, i've logged more time on the romney/santorum/gingrich threads than I have on zimmerman discussions.

If thats the case then you must be an invalid that never leaves a computer.

bhcompy: Injuries, but don't know the cause. He could have tripped on a sprinkler for all we know.

The injuries were said to be consistent with an assault, as in a punch then a fall back.

NateAsbestos: Do pussies frequently get away with not having to defend themselves?

In todays society, yes. I doubt kids ever get in fights anymore, they just go to therapy to work it out.

James F. Campbell: I have an idea. Kill people who keep talking about this case, whether they're for Zimmerman or against him.

Keep killing until you don't have to anymore.

ok, why don't you self impose that penalty first?

Rent Party: SkinnyHead: Weaver95: SkinnyHead: If Zimmerman did contact the prosecutor today, that just shows that he's still being cooperative with authorities.

if you're a suspect in a murder case and you 'cooperate with the authorities' without a lawyer being present, then you are a f*cking idiot and deserve what happens next....

If you're a suspect in a murder case and you 'cooperate with the authorities' without a lawyer being present, then you're behaving like an innocent man, and the authorities might just take that into consideration in deciding whether to bring charges.

Horseshiat. The authorities are going to bring charges if they have enough evidence to make a case. If you cooperate with them, all you're doing is helping them make the case.

"Everything you say can and will be used against you."

You never, ever, under any circumstance, talk to the cops.

Without a doubt, Zimmerman would be in jail right now if he didn't talk to the cops. Probably on a murder 1 charge.

Mark 10:19
19Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.

It is disturbing that talk radio and conservatives are taking his side. It only ensures that this will escalate. I suspect that this will be the issue that backfires on the Republicans eventually and will cause them to reveal just how out of touch they are to the people who never were paying attention.

WingedMonkeyRescueEffort: steamingpile: WingedMonkeyRescueEffort: B) No, we don't. Dude shot a kid, even our racists have more class than that.

I have been to boston so you cant lie to me like that.

I'm currently writing this from Allston. No lie, bro.

Considering I had more guys use racial epithets in my 1 year of working up there than my entire life in the south spent in the mountains of North GA and boondocks of central florida I would say you are full of shiat.

HellRaisingHoosier: Ok, I've gone out of my to not give a fark about this, but it's popping up everywhere so I thought I would read the article ... Is this accurate?

Some kid attacks a security guard, and breaks his nose during the attack -- so this security guard shoots the kid and kills him.


If that's correct, then good. I'm glad the kid got shot.
If it's not. I still don't really care.

/pro-death

The meat of the entire controversy (which has since been hijacked utterly by racists and bigots on both sides of that shiatty fence) is that Zimmerman claimed he was "standing his ground" under the state's "Stand Your Ground" law that basically says that a law-abiding has no duty to back down from a hostile person. Unfortunately, it's since come to light that Zimmerman was infact NOT standing his ground, he was actively pursuing this kid. There are no "Pursue and Confront" laws (that have come up) in Florida, so the simple fact that he's not denying murdering this kid coupled with the fact that he was NOT standing his ground as he first admitted means that he's a murderer and should be in jail, preferably for a long time. This isn't a case of a law-abiding citizen getting screwed by the system and the media. This is a case about a law-abiding citizen getting followed and shot down on his way home from the store, for being black and wearing a hoodie, none-the-less.

9beers: Police report - Zimmerman was bleeding from the nose and back of his head and received treatment from paramedics

Eyewitness - Zimmerman was yelling for help while being beaten up by Martin

Video - Obvious wounds to Zimmerman's head and nose

Funeral home dude - "I didn't see any marks on his knuckles and hands"

The Mob - "See, proof that Martin didn't assault anybody!"

9beers - A bunch of cherry-picked 'facts' from Stormfront.

SkinnyHead

Those are some deep thoughts.

NightOwl2255: Just want to make sure everyone knows what a vile POS 9beers is.

I just want 9beers to know that I never had a grill though I did have some slick vampire teeth in high school. And that I was suspended multiple times for tardiness - just like the black kid. And while I doubt I had weed residue in my backpack in those days I damn sure have some now! Having escaped being gunned down I've gone on to get a degree, do the peace corps, be at the same employer for 20 years while paying an absolute ass load of taxes and get myself a 30 year fixed at an ungodly 3.25%!

cameroncrazy1984: bhcompy: . If you've got a problem with our justice system, take it up with Thomas Jefferson et al.

It ain't real hard to prove that Zimmerman shot Martin.

It's also a huge stretch to go from that to "you've got a problem with our justice system" and name-dropping Thomas Jefferson.

No, it's not hard to prove he shot him. It's hard to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that it was a criminal act(particularly murder 1), particularly when juries are demanding more hard evidence for convictions.

Stand down! I repeat, stand down!

Fark website visitation team... we've got a false alarm. Seems his counter code is... homemade, too.


/le sigh.
/someday, Gadget

SkinnyHead: Rent Party: SkinnyHead: Weaver95: SkinnyHead: If Zimmerman did contact the prosecutor today, that just shows that he's still being cooperative with authorities.

if you're a suspect in a murder case and you 'cooperate with the authorities' without a lawyer being present, then you are a f*cking idiot and deserve what happens next....

If you're a suspect in a murder case and you 'cooperate with the authorities' without a lawyer being present, then you're behaving like an innocent man, and the authorities might just take that into consideration in deciding whether to bring charges.

Horseshiat. The authorities are going to bring charges if they have enough evidence to make a case. If you cooperate with them, all you're doing is helping them make the case.

"Everything you say can and will be used against you."

You never, ever, under any circumstance, talk to the cops.

Sometimes it's best to cooperate. When you've just killed someone in lawful self defense, that's one of those times.

Are you a detective, a prosecutor or an idiot?

steamingpile: In todays society, yes. I doubt kids ever get in fights anymore, they just go to therapy to work it out.

Considering how many public 'facts' we have on this case thus far and how muddled its become in the media - its impossible to know what really happened.

But completing disappearing and not responding to your lawyers isn't going to help your case.

SkinnyHead: If Zimmerman did contact the prosecutor today, that just shows that he's still being cooperative with authorities. I'm not sure they'll ever bring charges, but if they do, I think he should at least be entitled to OR release. They shouldn't make him sit in jail awaiting trial.

Well he would have to contact the Special Prosecutor to let them know in change of attorneys. I think his conversation with the Spec Pros. was "I fired those clowns"

The more I listened to the press conf of these attys it looked like Zim was doing the right thing by disassociating with them.

Good point on his call...that he was trying to cooperate with the Spec Pros

MisterLoki: netweavr: Weaver95: Zimmerman seems...unwise.

He's a 28 year old kid who has half the country ready to lynch him.

28 year old kid?

Alrighty.

Sure, look at him. He's only a kid!

Now, that towering 17-year-old Negro he killed? Why, anyone can see Trayvon was a full-grown MAN.

Muta: Mark 10:19
19Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.

Florida 776.013: Home protection; use of deadly force; presumption of fear of death or great bodily harm.

\Why does the NRA hate the bible?

bulldg4life: Calling Sean Hannity, fleeing Florida, abandoning his lawyers....

All we need now is a low-speed chance in a Ford Bronco.

6655321: A person was killed without being a serious threat to life and/or property. How can laws and government ignore this?

Shut your filthy hole, you scum!

Rent Party: jaybeezey: Weaver95: netweavr: Weaver95: Zimmerman seems...unwise.

He's a 28 year old kid who has half the country ready to lynch him.

*sigh*

I know. i'll never make the big leagues. i'm just not willing to murder innocents to up my rep score.

Murder involves premeditation, you may have problems proving that.

1st Degree murder involves premeditation. 2nd doesn't.

When you walk in on your old lady blowing the pool boy and shoot them in a fit of rage, that's 2nd. When you walk out of the cabana, buy a gun, stalk them for two days, break into his condo and shoot them when they come back from the club, that is 1st.

Note to self: Break things off with Rent Party's old lady. The beej's aren't worth it.

Rent Party: Diodorus: Why have an attorney when you are not going to be charged with a crime?

Because the best thing an attorney can do for you is ensure that you aren't charged in the first place.

Zimmerman doesnt have to talk to the cops where the Lawyers can intervene. He has no need to keep lawyers on at this point.

bulldg4life: However, Martin was black,

OK

acted like a thug,

Proof?

and did the drugs

Proof?

SkinnyHead: Sometimes it's best to cooperate. When you've just killed someone in lawful self defense, that's one of those times.

Do you know how I know you're not a lawyer?

You have the right to remain silent.

bhcompy: 6655321: A person was killed without being a serious threat to life and/or property. How can laws and government ignore this?

Laws and government aren't ignoring it. Problem is proof. Can you prove he did it? Do you want to take a flimsy case based on theory and circumstantial evidence to trial?

That's why the media needs to go fark itself so the DA can put together a decent case instead of just hurling a bunch of shiat into a folder and calling it a case so all the Fox affiliates will quit calling every three minutes.

/this case needs to go to trial
//regardless of the outcome

SkinnyHead:
Sometimes it's best to cooperate. When you've just killed someone in lawful self defense, that's one of those times.

No, it's not. What you consider self defense may not be what the law considers self defense.

Never, ever, under any circumstance, talk to the law. There is absolutely *nothing* to be gained by doing so. Let your lawyer do that.

Muta: Mark 10:19
19Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.

Weaver95
And shepherds we shall be, for thee my Lord for thee, power hath descended forth from thy hand, that our feet may swiftly carry out thy command. We shall flow a river forth to thee, and teeming with souls shall it ever be. In nomine Patris, et Filii, et Spiritus Sancti.

Ezekiel 23:20
There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.

MattyFridays: Here's the biggest problem I have with all of this.

Zimmerman has basically been convicted by the court of public opinion and there's no way he'll get a fair trial if he does get charged with something.

The same thing happened in the Ravi Dharun case with Tyler Clementi. There is no way, no how you can tell me he convicted a hate crime... beyond a shadow of a doubt. The very fact there was so much public debate whether it was a hate crime or not SHOWS this.

Ravi was guilty of violating Tyler's privacy, and he should get in trouble and go to jail. But was it a hate crime? Not bloody likely.

As mentioned above. Shadow of a doubt is not the standard that we use. And the only people who know who the hell Ravi Dharun is are people who read Reason's blog.

RibbyK: Diodorus: Why have an attorney when you are not going to be charged with a crime?

So you're suggesting Obama should fire his attorney?
/I'm fine with that

The President of the United States of America has different needs than Zimmerman. Wouldn't you agree?

Corvus: cuzsis: So if the unarmed teenager was (hypothetically) beating the guy to *death*, he should go to jail for defending himself?

If a white guy enters a black neighborhood and black gang member was to gun him down and say "He didn't look like he should be in out neighborhood and I was defending myself".

Would you stop everything there and just take his word for it?


Nice try.

nekom: cuzsis: Few people seemed to realize that "unarmed" teenagers are perfectly capable of killing people at that age with just their physical strength alone. Same as adults are. They might not be as strong as they will be in their mid-20's, but they're plenty strong enough to kill someone.

Sure they are. It is my understanding that for a justified homicide, a reasonable person would have felt that themselves, or another, was in danger of seriously bodily harm or death. Are there situations where a 17 year old kid without a weapon could make a reasonable person feel that way? Absolutely. Was this one of those cases? I don't know, I wasn't there.

I'd like to see a jury decide that, though, but as has been explained in a few threads, I guess Florida does not work that way.

Like I've said. I have nothing on this story. Zim could easily be guilty of manslaughter.

But I've seen more than one opinion that implied the kid must somehow have been innocent simply because he was "unarmed" and that's just plain not true.

steamingpile: WingedMonkeyRescueEffort: steamingpile: WingedMonkeyRescueEffort: B) No, we don't. Dude shot a kid, even our racists have more class than that.

I have been to boston so you cant lie to me like that.

I'm currently writing this from Allston. No lie, bro.

Considering I had more guys use racial epithets in my 1 year of working up there than my entire life in the south spent in the mountains of North GA and boondocks of central florida I would say you are full of shiat.

Have you ever considered that you are just a jerk that people want to hurl insults towards? Because I get that kinda vibe from you. Just sayin'

steamingpile: WingedMonkeyRescueEffort: steamingpile: WingedMonkeyRescueEffort: B) No, we don't. Dude shot a kid, even our racists have more class than that.

I have been to boston so you cant lie to me like that.

I'm currently writing this from Allston. No lie, bro.

Considering I had more guys use racial epithets in my 1 year of working up there than my entire life in the south spent in the mountains of North GA and boondocks of central florida I would say you are full of shiat.

Well that's unfortunate. It is also unfortunate that you don't understand the Boston lower class. The general consensus up here (which I agree has little bearing on reality) seems to be that Zimmerman is a bit racist but that his racism wasn't the issue which provoked the attack. The issue is that a full grown adult murdered a kid and the cops did nothing. Most think he is a coward and we again shake our heads at the idiocies of the South.

steamingpile: In todays society, yes. I doubt kids ever get in fights anymore, they just go to therapy to work it out.

Because if you fight someone records it on their phone and posts it on youtube, facebook, and twitter, which the school(and possibly the local news) find out about and they're forced to punish you because it's out in the open.

steamingpile: The injuries were said to be consistent with an assault, as in a punch then a fall back.

Ah, but that's just a guess. He probably just hit a low branch and fell back onto the sidewalk.

ManateeGag: Doug Llewelyn is displeased by this news.

/obscure?

Tell him I said I always liked his hair.

Corvus: RibbyK: [begin soapbox]
Zimmerman has not been charged with any crime.
Zimmerman has not been charged with any crime.
Zimmerman has not been charged with any crime.
[end soapbox]

/carry on

Right, that's the problem. Usually people who gun down someone else at least are investigated. Before anyone made a big deal about it the cops were just going to take his word for it.

yeah, after they arrested him, took him to the station, and interrogated him for like 5 hours.... hey wait, that sounds kinda like an investigation to me...oh wait, what about the special prosecutor still investigating? what about the feds? yeah, no investigation at all...or maybe just no evidence of a crime. If the kid turned and attacked him, he was within his rights to shoot him down. If that were NOT the case, I am sure the law would be on him like stink on pig.