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2012-04-10 07:44:33 PM

Ed Finnerty: FTFA: Uhrig said Zimmerman had called Fox News talk show host Sean Hannity, which also worried them.

Understandably. That's a sure sign he's not thinking straight.



The really nice thing is that I think he still is armed and walking around. We already have proof that he has poor judgement. Now it's a confused person with poor judgment and a weapon.


Greeeeeeeeeeat.
 
2012-04-10 07:44:44 PM

NateGrey: 9Beers obviously has no job. He spends all day, weekends, Christmas Day trolling Fark. We are paying for his social security.


As I said in a couple other threads, I'm retired. Deal with it.
 
2012-04-10 07:44:45 PM

bhcompy: 6655321: A person was killed without being a serious threat to life and/or property. How can laws and government ignore this?

Laws and government aren't ignoring it. Problem is proof. Can you prove he did it? Do you want to take a flimsy case based on theory and circumstantial evidence to trial?


No, you're right. Someone else shot Trayvon Martin.

/if you're a dumbass.
 
2012-04-10 07:44:50 PM

netweavr: He's a 28 year old kid who has half the country ready to lynch him.


People would know who Zimmerman was had he not killed an inocent child.

Matthew 5:21-26

21Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:

22But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
 
2012-04-10 07:44:50 PM

spongeboob: oh_please: Ender's: In the court of public opinion he's guilty. In a court of law, he isn't even on trial. People need to disassociate their feelings for a couple of minutes to think it over like rational sane people before firing up the torches.

The torches are already fired up and the pitchforks sharpened, but Zimmerman is a complete dumbass by ignoring his lawyers to the point that they quit.

Methinks he wants to be a martyr, and he's definitely going to be one, at the rate this is going.

Nobody knows what actually happened on that night except him, and he's doing everything he can to get his 15 minutes of fame.

I am afraid that he may kill himself to cement his martyrship(spelling?) And that would be a recipe for disaster. Someone would decide that the black KKK killed him and want revenge.


I'd be cool with it. Killing yourself is a pretty piss poor way to become a martyr.
 
2012-04-10 07:45:03 PM

DamnYankees: The_Six_Fingered_Man: LasersHurt: Kid was walking home from the store, unarmed, in his own neighborhood. Private citizen, not security guard, follows him. At some point he gets out of his car and follows the kid on foot, confronting him. There may have been a struggle - all we know is the guy shot the kid to death.

Not his neighborhood. His dad's. He did not live there full time. He was visiting.

For the life of me I can't imagine the relevance of this correction.


Black folks have a curfew, or should. Duh.
 
2012-04-10 07:45:07 PM

spongeboob: martyrship


Martyrdom
 
2012-04-10 07:45:25 PM

Weaver95: SkinnyHead: Weaver95: SkinnyHead: If Zimmerman did contact the prosecutor today, that just shows that he's still being cooperative with authorities.

if you're a suspect in a murder case and you 'cooperate with the authorities' without a lawyer being present, then you are a f*cking idiot and deserve what happens next....

If you're a suspect in a murder case and you 'cooperate with the authorities' without a lawyer being present, then you're behaving like an innocent man, and the authorities might just take that into consideration in deciding whether to bring charges.

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This is horrible advice. Absolutely wretched.
 
2012-04-10 07:45:39 PM

cuzsis: So if the unarmed teenager was (hypothetically) beating the guy to *death*, he should go to jail for defending himself?


If a white guy enters a black neighborhood and black gang member was to gun him down and say "He didn't look like he should be in out neighborhood and I was defending myself".

Would you stop everything there and just take his word for it?
 
2012-04-10 07:45:40 PM

spongeboob: UCFRoadWarrior: Black Ku Klux Klan

What the fark is the black KKK?


New Black Panthers...pay attention
 
2012-04-10 07:46:00 PM
Won't someone please think of the poor vigilantes?
 
Ehh
2012-04-10 07:46:10 PM
So, after acting against the advice of the 911 operator, he's now acting against the advice of his attorneys?

This is a man who believes what his gut tells him!
 
2012-04-10 07:46:21 PM

Weaver95: Phony_Soldier: Wearver is a bot. There is nothing to punch.

hmm. I certainly FEEL like a real person. i'm wearing underwear too, so there's that.


Yeah, but it's Autobot underoos.
 
2012-04-10 07:46:22 PM

steamingpile: 9beers: Weaver95: he was busy trying to say that punching someone in the nose doesn't leave a mark

I'm waiting for you to provide some sort of evidence that it's a given that a person who punches somebody in the face has to have marks on their knuckles. Since it's such an obvious fact, you should be able to cite hundreds of cases.

Its because he cant, if you hit someone flush in the face then your hand wont show any signs of damage, now if you hit them in the mouth or jaw line then its most likely a few cut fingers or a broken knuckle.

Its how you can tell weaver is a pussy and never had to defend himself.


Do pussies frequently get away with not having to defend themselves?
 
2012-04-10 07:46:24 PM

Why Would I Read the Article: Ender's: In the court of public opinion he's guilty. In a court of law, he isn't even on trial. People need to disassociate their feelings for a couple of minutes to think it over like rational sane people before firing up the torches.

Ahaha, good one. The media is now involved, so the guy doesn't stand a chance. CNN, NBC, and ABC have all pulled shenanigans with their reporting that they've had to recant. And that's to say nothing of always using the picture of him from when he's 12.

There's a narrative to push, and damnit, the media is going to push it. They're going to string up Zimmerman for ratings, fair trial be damned. The public's opinion has been formed for them, and the governor had to appoint a special prosecutor just so he could indict the guy and (hopefully) avoid a race riot.

This whole thing is about to get way worse before it gets better.


You know, I would have thought the same thing about the outcome of the Casey Anthony trial but she was found not guilty despite the media crushing her. Central Florida has some strange characters.
 
2012-04-10 07:46:34 PM

SkinnyHead: Weaver95: SkinnyHead: If Zimmerman did contact the prosecutor today, that just shows that he's still being cooperative with authorities.

if you're a suspect in a murder case and you 'cooperate with the authorities' without a lawyer being present, then you are a f*cking idiot and deserve what happens next....

If you're a suspect in a murder case and you 'cooperate with the authorities' without a lawyer being present, then you're behaving like an innocent man, and the authorities might just take that into consideration in deciding whether to bring charges.


Horseshiat. The authorities are going to bring charges if they have enough evidence to make a case. If you cooperate with them, all you're doing is helping them make the case.

"Everything you say can and will be used against you."

You never, ever, under any circumstance, talk to the cops.
 
2012-04-10 07:46:40 PM

Ender's: In the court of public opinion he's guilty. In a court of law, he isn't even on trial. People need to disassociate their feelings for a couple of minutes to think it over like rational sane people before firing up the torches.


In the eyes of Jesus, Zimmerman is going to hell.

Matthew 5:21-22
21Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:

22But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
 
2012-04-10 07:46:51 PM

cameroncrazy1984: bhcompy: 6655321: A person was killed without being a serious threat to life and/or property. How can laws and government ignore this?

Laws and government aren't ignoring it. Problem is proof. Can you prove he did it? Do you want to take a flimsy case based on theory and circumstantial evidence to trial?

No, you're right. Someone else shot Trayvon Martin.

/if you're a dumbass.


so there was a second shooter? perhaps on a nearby grassy hill top?
 
2012-04-10 07:47:03 PM
Well, I think we're all loosing sight of the big picture here- it was a mere 30 years ago the idea of a Puerto Rican Jew was a hilarious racial mix up. And now, today, that Puerto Rican Jews is considered white. And a racist white at that. And we all know, only whites can be racist. So, personally, I think this is progress- real racial progress. To all the Puerto Rican Jews out there- welcome to the club!
 
2012-04-10 07:47:03 PM

Weaver95:
actually, i've logged more time on the romney/santorum/gingrich threads than I have on zimmerman discussions.


And we've missed you, man.

/well, maybe we is kinda strong
/but certainly I
 
2012-04-10 07:47:19 PM

bhcompy: Rent Party:

Neither requires proof. All that is required is evidence enough to convince a jury that the prosecutor's argument is reasonably beyond doubt.

Except the CSI effect shows that juries want hard evidence, not theories.


None of that changes the standard of the law.
 
2012-04-10 07:47:22 PM

KarmaSpork: His website has 92 hits and looks a bit... homemade.



cache.ohinternet.com
 
2012-04-10 07:47:51 PM

cameroncrazy1984: bhcompy: 6655321: A person was killed without being a serious threat to life and/or property. How can laws and government ignore this?

Laws and government aren't ignoring it. Problem is proof. Can you prove he did it? Do you want to take a flimsy case based on theory and circumstantial evidence to trial?

No, you're right. Someone else shot Trayvon Martin.

/if you're a dumbass.


Where exactly did I say that?

The statute of limitations on murder is forever(generally). Arrest him now and you have to give him due process. If the case isn't ready, you're farked. Build the case, arrest him later. If you've got a problem with our justice system, take it up with Thomas Jefferson et al.
 
2012-04-10 07:48:09 PM

yarnothuntin: Well, I think we're all loosing sight of the big picture here- it was a mere 30 years ago the idea of a Puerto Rican Jew was a hilarious racial mix up. And now, today, that Puerto Rican Jews is considered white. And a racist white at that. And we all know, only whites can be racist. So, personally, I think this is progress- real racial progress. To all the Puerto Rican Jews out there- welcome to the club!


He isnt Jewish.
 
2012-04-10 07:48:17 PM

SkinnyHead: Weaver95: SkinnyHead: If Zimmerman did contact the prosecutor today, that just shows that he's still being cooperative with authorities.

if you're a suspect in a murder case and you 'cooperate with the authorities' without a lawyer being present, then you are a f*cking idiot and deserve what happens next....

If you're a suspect in a murder case and you 'cooperate with the authorities' without a lawyer being present, then you're behaving like an innocent man, and the authorities might just take that into consideration in deciding whether to bring charges.


Whenever Skinnyhead makes a post, I read it as the word of God...... Which makes everything even funnier.....
 
2012-04-10 07:48:18 PM

Ehh: So, after acting against the advice of the 911 operator, he's now acting against the advice of his attorneys?

This is a man who believes what his gut tells him!


No wonder the Republicans love him. I mean, besides the whole "killing an unarmed black teenager" thing.
 
2012-04-10 07:48:34 PM

NateGrey: NateAsbestos: 9beers: mjoven1975: 9beers please report to this thread.

Sup?

The money you gave to Zimmerman will surely be well spent.

9Beers obviously has no job. He spends all day, weekends, Christmas Day trolling Fark. We are paying for his social security.


So, that money WE gave to Zimmerman. Hooray!
 
2012-04-10 07:48:38 PM

Ender's: In the court of public opinion he's guilty. In a court of law, he isn't even on trial. People need to disassociate their feelings for a couple of minutes to think it over like rational sane people before firing up the torches.


In the court of George Zimmerman, Trayvon Martin was guilty.
 
2012-04-10 07:49:05 PM

cuzsis: So if the unarmed teenager was (hypothetically) beating the guy to *death*, he should go to jail for defending himself?

/you must work for the public school system...


So if I have a gun and I can just start a fight with someone and gun them down and get off?
 
2012-04-10 07:49:20 PM

bhcompy: The Oakland cop argued the same thing and had the same national outrage. He still had a trial.


Uh yeah, there was video and witnesses of that, not even close to the same thing.

WingedMonkeyRescueEffort: B) No, we don't. Dude shot a kid, even our racists have more class than that.


I have been to boston so you cant lie to me like that.
 
2012-04-10 07:49:20 PM
James 2:8-11
8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:

9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.

10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
 
2012-04-10 07:49:32 PM

The Southern Dandy: KarmaSpork: His website has 92 hits and looks a bit... homemade.



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and so it begins...
 
2012-04-10 07:49:39 PM

RibbyK: asmodeus224: Ender's: In the court of public opinion he's guilty. In a court of law, he isn't even on trial. People need to disassociate their feelings for a couple of minutes to think it over like rational sane people before firing up the torches.

I'm sorry, but I don't recall being sworn to a jury...so I can just go ahead and disregard your prattle, yes?

Facts are this: A man with a history of violence resorted to violence and killed a teenager with no record of anything aside from minor school disciplinary issues. Whatever that law is he is hiding behind, it is bullshiat and his actions are those of a murderer. Technically allowed or not. Is that rational enough?

Not really. When you use "hiding", "bullshat" along with "history" and "murderer" for Zimmerman and "no record" for Trayvon that makes you sound a wee bit like a for-profit media outlet. But this is an open forum for irrationality, so please proceed.


I could be wrong, i don't watch cable news 24/7, but my understanding was Martin had no police record whatsoever whereas Zimmerman has been arrested and had a restraining order filed against him. If I am wrong on this please let me know.
 
2012-04-10 07:49:44 PM
The fundie butthurt in the Fox News comments section is priceless. Yet, less priceless than the Santorum butthurt in the Fox News comments section.

Evidently, fundies love them some Santorum.
 
2012-04-10 07:49:55 PM
Calling Sean Hannity, fleeing Florida, abandoning his lawyers....

Can you go for self defense, but also insane just in case?
 
2012-04-10 07:50:01 PM

NightOwl2255: [img29.imageshack.us image 640x122]

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Just want to make sure everyone knows what a vile POS 9beers is.


Oh why don't you two just fark already
 
2012-04-10 07:50:12 PM

9beers: Police report - Zimmerman was bleeding from the nose and back of his head and received treatment from paramedics

Eyewitness - Zimmerman was yelling for help while being beaten up by Martin

Video - Obvious wounds to Zimmerman's head and nose

Funeral home dude - "I didn't see any marks on his knuckles and hands"

The Mob - "See, proof that Martin didn't assault anybody!"


"Eyewitness - Zimmerman Someone was yelling for help while being beaten up by Martin the other guy"
"Video - Non Obvious wounds to Zimmerman's head and nose"

/if Zimmerman was in his car, how did Martin come to be able to break Zimmermans nose and be on top of him?
 
2012-04-10 07:50:26 PM

NightOwl2255: Just want to make sure everyone knows what a vile POS 9beers is.


I like when people pull that out, helps keep track of the people that can't argue their side with facts and evidence.
 
2012-04-10 07:50:27 PM

Phony_Soldier: Can't we all just get along?

/Except Trayvon, you know since he's dead :(


/and except Rodney King after being awarded 3.5 million, you know since he has been arrested for crashing his vehicle into a block wall where police alleged that he hit his wife with his car, knocking her to the ground., arrested again for speeding and running a red light while under the influence of alcohol, slamming his vehicle into a house. While riding home on his bicycle, King was shot in the face, arms, and back with pellets from a shotgun from two people who wanted his bike, arrested twice in 2011 for DUI's.

So no we can't all get along.
 
2012-04-10 07:50:34 PM

asmodeus224: Ender's: In the court of public opinion he's guilty. In a court of law, he isn't even on trial. People need to disassociate their feelings for a couple of minutes to think it over like rational sane people before firing up the torches.

I'm sorry, but I don't recall being sworn to a jury...so I can just go ahead and disregard your prattle, yes?

Facts are this: A man with a history of violence resorted to violence and killed a teenager with no record of anything aside from minor school disciplinary issues. Whatever that law is he is hiding behind, it is bullshiat and his actions are those of amurderer. Technically allowed or not.

Is that rational enough?


No.

The only facts that matter in court are that a man shot a teenager. The man saw a teenager acting suspiciously and ACCORDING TO HIM he got into an altercation with the teenager and shot him. ACCORDING TO THE MAN the shooting was in self-defense. Everything else is what we in the biz call "hearsay" or "character evidence" and guess what? If/when the case goes to trial, unless ZIMMERMAN decides to open the door to character evidence, nobody else gets to do it.

Zimmerman's history? Out.
Martin's history? Out.
Everything else you've learned about either man? Out.

So unless Zimmerman takes the stand, nobody can ask him about his racism or his dislike of hoodies or bring up what a saint young Martin was: It all comes down to the physical evidence and Zimmerman's word. And that is going to make things really tough for the prosecution.
 
2012-04-10 07:50:47 PM

steamingpile: WingedMonkeyRescueEffort: B) No, we don't. Dude shot a kid, even our racists have more class than that.

I have been to boston so you cant lie to me like that.


I'm currently writing this from Allston. No lie, bro.
 
2012-04-10 07:51:02 PM

bhcompy: . If you've got a problem with our justice system, take it up with Thomas Jefferson et al.


It ain't real hard to prove that Zimmerman shot Martin.

It's also a huge stretch to go from that to "you've got a problem with our justice system" and name-dropping Thomas Jefferson.
 
Bf+
2012-04-10 07:51:09 PM

Corvus: cuzsis: So if the unarmed teenager was (hypothetically) beating the guy to *death*, he should go to jail for defending himself?

/you must work for the public school system...

So if I have a gun and I can just start a fight with someone and gun them down and get off?



Under the new "stand your ground" laws... yes, more or less.
 
2012-04-10 07:51:14 PM

asmodeus224: I could be wrong, i don't watch cable news 24/7, but my understanding was Martin had no police record whatsoever whereas Zimmerman has been arrested and had a restraining order filed against him. If I am wrong on this please let me know.


You're not wrong. However, Martin was black, acted like a thug, and did the drugs. And, let's be honest, that's close enough.
 
2012-04-10 07:51:43 PM

Rent Party: bhcompy: Rent Party:

Neither requires proof. All that is required is evidence enough to convince a jury that the prosecutor's argument is reasonably beyond doubt.

Except the CSI effect shows that juries want hard evidence, not theories.

None of that changes the standard of the law.


Sure, but juries are the arbiters. You can't appeal an acquittal.
 
2012-04-10 07:51:49 PM
I have an idea. Kill people who keep talking about this case, whether they're for Zimmerman or against him.

Keep killing until you don't have to anymore.
 
2012-04-10 07:51:54 PM
Free Tyrone Woodfork
 
2012-04-10 07:52:04 PM

steamingpile: Weaver95: moar internet tough guy talk! you gonna walk over here and punch my IP address there tough guy?

That would imply I care and as stated earlier I usually just ignore you, the volume of posts in zimerman threads by you has been astounding though, do you ever step outside?

Rent Party: Florida statute on 1st also considers aggravated circumstance in order to convict for 1st. Of the specifically enumerated other offenses that would qualify McFatty for 1st are aggravated stalking and kidnapping, both of which could be argued.

Well except he didnt stalk or kidnap anyone and he has police and medical reports documenting his injuries.



You sure about that? He had to leave his car to follow the kid at some point, and at some point there was a confrontation. If Zimmerman forcibly stopped him, that's kidnapping. And that qualifies for 1st under Florida law.

That's what prosecutors, do, doncha know...
 
2012-04-10 07:52:31 PM

YouPeopleAreCrazy: "Eyewitness - Zimmerman Someone was yelling for help while being beaten up by Martin the other guy"
"Video - Non Obvious wounds to Zimmerman's head and nose"

/if Zimmerman was in his car, how did Martin come to be able to break Zimmermans nose and be on top of him?


obviously, Martin was a ninja. not just any ninja either, he clearly knew the Five point Palm exploding heart technique! that's why Zimmerman had to shoot him!
 
2012-04-10 07:52:36 PM

cuzsis: Few people seemed to realize that "unarmed" teenagers are perfectly capable of killing people at that age with just their physical strength alone. Same as adults are. They might not be as strong as they will be in their mid-20's, but they're plenty strong enough to kill someone.


Sure they are. It is my understanding that for a justified homicide, a reasonable person would have felt that themselves, or another, was in danger of seriously bodily harm or death. Are there situations where a 17 year old kid without a weapon could make a reasonable person feel that way? Absolutely. Was this one of those cases? I don't know, I wasn't there.

I'd like to see a jury decide that, though, but as has been explained in a few threads, I guess Florida does not work that way.
 
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