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2012-04-10 07:25:51 PM  

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: Going to the special prosecutor while referring to your lawyers as 'legal advisers' sounds a whole lot like someone's working on his own defense. Maybe he's been reading ChuDogg's posts and thinking he can handle this himself.

And who else here believes the words 'do you know who my father is' were dropped while he was talking to the prosecutor?


I just want to let everyone know, I've been in contact with George Zimmerman since his new website has gone live, and I am in fact, now Zimmerman's new legal counsel in the case.

My first piece of evidence we'd like to exhibit Fark thread #4737374, I'll call special witness 9beers to take the stand.

Also, we won't be presenting his defense in Court. Our entire arguements will take place on the internet behind semi-anonymous usernames.
 
2012-04-10 07:26:03 PM  

HellRaisingHoosier: Ok, I've gone out of my to not give a fark about this, but it's popping up everywhere so I thought I would read the article ... Is this accurate?

Some kid attacks a security guard, and breaks his nose during the attack -- so this security guard shoots the kid and kills him.


If that's correct, then good. I'm glad the kid got shot.
If it's not. I still don't really care.

/pro-death


Kid was walking home from the store, unarmed, in his own neighborhood. Private citizen, not security guard, follows him. At some point he gets out of his car and follows the kid on foot, confronting him. There may have been a struggle - all we know is the guy shot the kid to death.
 
2012-04-10 07:26:20 PM  
I like pie.
 
2012-04-10 07:26:24 PM  

Ed Finnerty: PC LOAD LETTER: TravisBickle62: He will get charged for sure, but so far there is no evidence he committed a crime, so this could turn out ... badly

So if I shoot someone and say that I was preventing them from committing a crime, I remain jail-free? WOOHOO! KILLING SPREE!

Looks like I picked the wrong night for my Hoodie Walkathon, sponsored by Skittles.


Well I for one am gunning for you ( "
 
2012-04-10 07:26:57 PM  

WingedMonkeyRescueEffort: netweavr: Weaver95: Zimmerman seems...unwise.

He's a 28 year old kid who has half the country ready to lynch him.

28 years old does not a kid make.


Age is such strange concept in the US. If you are 18 in college you are a kid, 18 and in the military you are an adult.
If you are a politician you can claim that it was a youthful mistake well into your thirties, but be 18-19 and poor/lower middle class and commit a crime and you need to learn there are consequences to your actions.

Funniest thing the people supporting Zimmerman see a 16 year old as a thug and a 28 year old as a kid.
 
2012-04-10 07:27:03 PM  

If that gated community had just pulled together to hire a private security force this wouldn't have happened, especially since they were having break ins which prompted Zimmerman to go on patrol. Or he shouldn't have had a gun with him.


This is really sad, now that area is being patrolled by Neo-Nazis, Zimmerman is being tried in the public opinion and none of this is helping the kid's family get a resolution to this.

 
2012-04-10 07:27:09 PM  

steamingpile: 9beers: Weaver95: he was busy trying to say that punching someone in the nose doesn't leave a mark

I'm waiting for you to provide some sort of evidence that it's a given that a person who punches somebody in the face has to have marks on their knuckles. Since it's such an obvious fact, you should be able to cite hundreds of cases.

Its because he cant, if you hit someone flush in the face then your hand wont show any signs of damage, now if you hit them in the mouth or jaw line then its most likely a few cut fingers or a broken knuckle.

Its how you can tell weaver is a pussy and never had to defend himself.


oooo! internet tough guy talk!
 
2012-04-10 07:27:12 PM  
i188.photobucket.com
 
2012-04-10 07:27:23 PM  

jayhawk88: It does seem kind of weird. Good lawyers generally don't look to jettison themselves from high profile cases, as even if they're on the "wrong" side, if they do their job well it's good pub for them. Granted Zimmerman going underground for two days right now is galactically stupid, but technically he's not done anything wrong by doing so, right? He wasn't on any kind of court-ordered travel restrictions or anything I assume?


Neither of these attorneys has ever even met Zimmerman, they've only communicated by email and telephone. Zimmerman also never signed and returned a retainer document and told the special prosecutor that he wasn't being represented by either of these guys.
 
2012-04-10 07:27:50 PM  
I just want to see him charged, and a trial. If he gets off, he is innocent.

After all, OJ was innocent too. Amiright?
 
2012-04-10 07:28:07 PM  

MattyFridays: Here's the biggest problem I have with all of this.

Zimmerman has basically been convicted by the court of public opinion and there's no way he'll get a fair trial if he does get charged with something.


Casey Anthony disagrees.
 
2012-04-10 07:28:21 PM  

LasersHurt: the courts will decide that


Only if the prosecutor decides a charge/charges is/are warranted.

///triple slashies
 
2012-04-10 07:28:36 PM  

steamingpile: 9beers: Weaver95: he was busy trying to say that punching someone in the nose doesn't leave a mark

I'm waiting for you to provide some sort of evidence that it's a given that a person who punches somebody in the face has to have marks on their knuckles. Since it's such an obvious fact, you should be able to cite hundreds of cases.

Its because he cant, if you hit someone flush in the face then your hand wont show any signs of damage, now if you hit them in the mouth or jaw line then its most likely a few cut fingers or a broken knuckle.

Its how you can tell weaver is a pussy and never had to defend himself.


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2012-04-10 07:28:56 PM  

karmaceutical: Man, this guy is playing this thing all wrong. All wrong. And WTF is going on with calling into Hannity. Is he gunning for some twisted martyr status? Fox News job??



OK, now that's begging for a "Fox News Contributor" photoshop.
Also, awesome headline subby.
 
2012-04-10 07:29:07 PM  

TravisBickle62: He will get charged for sure, but so far there is no evidence he committed a crime, so this could turn out ... badly


Not after that press conference. These guys never met with Zimmerman, signed nothing to be his attorney, and gave every indication they never were fully "his attorney"

Looks like these guys were "fired"....what a bizzare and droning press conference. I am sure Zims new attys told him to dump these guys

These guys did nothing...as Zimmerman and his family were threatened, the Black Ku Klux Klan planning riots and killings, and did little to defend him in the media.

His own family had to write that letter to Eric Holder asking why he has done nothing with the Black Ku Klux Klan death threats. His attorney should have done that..where were these yoyos

Ulrich also was one of the talking head attorneys who worked the Casey Anthony trial for one of the local TV stations....and kept saying how Jose Baez sucked and Anthony would be convicted. Probably best he is not on Zim defense team

Zimmerman needs an attorney who has some experience in dealing with the media and public. And one that will fight extradition...if charged...based on the Black KKK death threats
 
2012-04-10 07:29:14 PM  

9beers: Neither of these attorneys has ever even met Zimmerman, they've only communicated by email and telephone. Zimmerman also never signed and returned a retainer document and told the special prosecutor that he wasn't being represented by either of these guys.


and you know this....how?
 
2012-04-10 07:29:26 PM  

Sabyen91: jaybeezey: Weaver95: netweavr: Weaver95: Zimmerman seems...unwise.

He's a 28 year old kid who has half the country ready to lynch him.

*sigh*

I know. i'll never make the big leagues. i'm just not willing to murder innocents to up my rep score.

Murder involves premeditation, you may have problems proving that.

Uh...wut?


Proof, to get a 1st degree conviction in florida there has to be a lot of proof put out that he had either talked about killing someone or some other information to show he had intended to kill, without that proof florida is a hard state to get a 1st degree conviction which is why he wasnt arrested or charged.

If you dont like the law then change it but this kid did not kill anyone in cold blood, he reacted and killed him, in most states that would still get you a manslaughter conviction but not 1st degree but in florida they will be hard to convict him of anything with the way that law is written.
 
2012-04-10 07:30:19 PM  

namegoeshere: RibbyK: netweavr: Weaver95: Zimmerman seems...unwise.
He's a 28 year old kid who has half 13 percent of the country ready to lynch him.
FTFY
Because only black people care about this at all.


I was talking about the population of Florida.
/Content of their character and all
 
2012-04-10 07:30:33 PM  

spongeboob: WingedMonkeyRescueEffort: netweavr: Weaver95: Zimmerman seems...unwise.

He's a 28 year old kid who has half the country ready to lynch him.

28 years old does not a kid make.

Age is such strange concept in the US. If you are 18 in college you are a kid, 18 and in the military you are an adult.
If you are a politician you can claim that it was a youthful mistake well into your thirties, but be 18-19 and poor/lower middle class and commit a crime and you need to learn there are consequences to your actions.

Funniest thing the people supporting Zimmerman see a 16 year old as a thug and a 28 year old as a kid.


Very true. What you are talking about seems to be a lot more pronounced outside of New England (where 80% of the smartest 30% in the US live. [citation about to be added to wikipedia]).
 
2012-04-10 07:30:41 PM  
No, we don't know anything about his website...but we're sure it's legit!
 
2012-04-10 07:30:51 PM  

Ender's: In the court of public opinion he's guilty. In a court of law, he isn't even on trial. People need to disassociate their feelings for a couple of minutes to think it over like rational sane people before firing up the torches.


Like that's going to happen. Especially around here.
 
2012-04-10 07:30:51 PM  

OtherLittleGuy: And, with this turn of events, I present the following hotlinked picture:

Actresses Amy Bruni and Kris Williams attend the 2010 Syfy Upfront party at The Museum of Modern Art on March 16, 2010 in New York City

[www3.pictures.zimbio.com image 434x594]

/actresses?


I don't know who Amy Bruni is, but she is totally my boss' doppleganger
 
2012-04-10 07:30:53 PM  
If Zimmerman did contact the prosecutor today, that just shows that he's still being cooperative with authorities. I'm not sure they'll ever bring charges, but if they do, I think he should at least be entitled to OR release. They shouldn't make him sit in jail awaiting trial.
 
2012-04-10 07:31:25 PM  

Ender's: In the court of public opinion he's guilty. In a court of law, he isn't even on trial. People need to disassociate their feelings for a couple of minutes to think it over like rational sane people before firing up the torches.


The torches are already fired up and the pitchforks sharpened, but Zimmerman is a complete dumbass by ignoring his lawyers to the point that they quit.

Methinks he wants to be a martyr, and he's definitely going to be one, at the rate this is going.

Nobody knows what actually happened on that night except him, and he's doing everything he can to get his 15 minutes of fame.
 
2012-04-10 07:31:42 PM  

9beers: mjoven1975: 9beers please report to this thread.

Sup?


The money you gave to Zimmerman will surely be well spent.
 
2012-04-10 07:31:42 PM  

LasersHurt: HellRaisingHoosier: Ok, I've gone out of my to not give a fark about this, but it's popping up everywhere so I thought I would read the article ... Is this accurate?

Some kid attacks a security guard, and breaks his nose during the attack -- so this security guard shoots the kid and kills him.


If that's correct, then good. I'm glad the kid got shot.
If it's not. I still don't really care.

/pro-death

Kid was walking home from the store, unarmed, in his own neighborhood. Private citizen, not security guard, follows him. At some point he gets out of his car and follows the kid on foot, confronting him. There may have been a struggle - all we know is the guy shot the kid to death.


Zimmerman sustained injuries at some point. The media altered his 911 call, and he's Obama's son, so there is more too it.

Actually I think he looked more like Michelle.
 
2012-04-10 07:31:49 PM  

nekom: What is the significance of this? He's not, at least as of yet, been charged with any crime. He's not been sued. He's not actively litigating any case that I'm aware of. So what, these lawyers are going to withdraw from doing nothing?

Ender's: In the court of public opinion he's guilty. In a court of law, he isn't even on trial. People need to disassociate their feelings for a couple of minutes to think it over like rational sane people before firing up the torches.

I am inclined to agree, however the undisputed (even by Zimmerman) fact is he shot an unarmed teenager. People tend to get huffy about things like that. It's understandable.


Unfortunately.

Few people seemed to realize that "unarmed" teenagers are perfectly capable of killing people at that age with just their physical strength alone. Same as adults are. They might not be as strong as they will be in their mid-20's, but they're plenty strong enough to kill someone.

Unarmed != not dangerous

/not saying anything about what did or did not happen
//just pointing out a logical flaw most people seem to have.
 
2012-04-10 07:31:49 PM  
George - if you are reading this (and who knows, you might be). You are an idiot if you don't shut the hell up and do exactly what your legal counsel tells you.

But then from the sounds of things you're an idiot anyway.
 
2012-04-10 07:31:54 PM  

MrEricSir: [img821.imageshack.us image 400x301]


damnit, and i just bought a suit from that guy
 
2012-04-10 07:32:01 PM  

Ender's: In the court of public opinion he's guilty. In a court of law, he isn't even on trial. People need to disassociate their feelings for a couple of minutes to think it over like rational sane people before firing up the torches.


Good luck with that....when you have white people believing in Al Sharpton lock-step/goose-step.....things aren't gona turn out good
 
2012-04-10 07:32:08 PM  

LasersHurt: Kid was walking home from the store, unarmed, in his own neighborhood. Private citizen, not security guard, follows him. At some point he gets out of his car and follows the kid on foot, confronting him. There may have been a struggle - all we know is the guy shot the kid to death.


Not his neighborhood. His dad's. He did not live there full time. He was visiting.

We do not know for sure who confronted whom. That is speculation at this point.
 
2012-04-10 07:32:24 PM  

steamingpile: Sabyen91: jaybeezey: Weaver95: netweavr: Weaver95: Zimmerman seems...unwise.

He's a 28 year old kid who has half the country ready to lynch him.

*sigh*

I know. i'll never make the big leagues. i'm just not willing to murder innocents to up my rep score.

Murder involves premeditation, you may have problems proving that.

Uh...wut?

Proof, to get a 1st degree conviction in florida there has to be a lot of proof put out that he had either talked about killing someone or some other information to show he had intended to kill, without that proof florida is a hard state to get a 1st degree conviction which is why he wasnt arrested or charged.

If you dont like the law then change it but this kid did not kill anyone in cold blood, he reacted and killed him, in most states that would still get you a manslaughter conviction but not 1st degree but in florida they will be hard to convict him of anything with the way that law is written.


1st degree murder involves premeditation.
2nd degree murder is a "in the heat of the moment" murder, and is still murder. murder.
 
2012-04-10 07:32:34 PM  

SkinnyHead: If Zimmerman did contact the prosecutor today, that just shows that he's still being cooperative with authorities.


if you're a suspect in a murder case and you 'cooperate with the authorities' without a lawyer being present, then you are a f*cking idiot and deserve what happens next....
 
2012-04-10 07:32:50 PM  

steamingpile: Sabyen91: jaybeezey: Weaver95: netweavr: Weaver95: Zimmerman seems...unwise.

He's a 28 year old kid who has half the country ready to lynch him.

*sigh*

I know. i'll never make the big leagues. i'm just not willing to murder innocents to up my rep score.

Murder involves premeditation, you may have problems proving that.

Uh...wut?

Proof, to get a 1st degree conviction in florida there has to be a lot of proof put out that he had either talked about killing someone or some other information to show he had intended to kill, without that proof florida is a hard state to get a 1st degree conviction which is why he wasnt arrested or charged.

If you dont like the law then change it but this kid did not kill anyone in cold blood, he reacted and killed him, in most states that would still get you a manslaughter conviction but not 1st degree but in florida they will be hard to convict him of anything with the way that law is written.


I didn't see a mention of "1st degree murder" in the post I was responding to, did you?

/Hint, there is something between manslaughter and 1st degree murder. If forget what it is called off-hand. Hmm...
 
2012-04-10 07:32:59 PM  

Ender's: In the court of public opinion he's guilty. In a court of law, he isn't even on trial. People need to disassociate their feelings for a couple of minutes to think it over like rational sane people before firing up the torches.


I'm sorry, but I don't recall being sworn to a jury...so I can just go ahead and disregard your prattle, yes?

Facts are this: A man with a history of violence resorted to violence and killed a teenager with no record of anything aside from minor school disciplinary issues. Whatever that law is he is hiding behind, it is bullshiat and his actions are those of amurderer. Technically allowed or not.

Is that rational enough?
 
2012-04-10 07:33:10 PM  

Weaver95: oooo! internet tough guy talk!


Yes we have seen you post shiat before, you are just the passive version in internet tough guys, its a tired act and got old a couple years ago.

Usually we can just ignore you but your posts in trayvon threads are so frequent it feels like every other post is yours, basically saying some stupid bullshiat then never answering when people ask you to prove anything but ask them for proof.

Its elementary school trolling.
 
2012-04-10 07:33:23 PM  

jayhawk88: It does seem kind of weird. Good lawyers generally don't look to jettison themselves from high profile cases, as even if they're on the "wrong" side, if they do their job well it's good pub for them. Granted Zimmerman going underground for two days right now is galactically stupid, but technically he's not done anything wrong by doing so, right? He wasn't on any kind of court-ordered travel restrictions or anything I assume?


Read the article. High profile case, you have a client repeatably ignoring advice, doing interviews, and publishing websites about the case without consulting them? And THEN not answering the phone for two days?

Can you blame them?
 
2012-04-10 07:33:25 PM  

Weaver95: 9beers: Neither of these attorneys has ever even met Zimmerman, they've only communicated by email and telephone. Zimmerman also never signed and returned a retainer document and told the special prosecutor that he wasn't being represented by either of these guys.

and you know this....how?


The attorneys said so in today's live news conference. There's gotta be a transcript somewhere.
 
2012-04-10 07:33:38 PM  

MattyFridays: Here's the biggest problem I have with all of this.

Zimmerman has basically been convicted by the court of public opinion and there's no way he'll get a fair trial if he does get charged with something..


bullshiat.

there are plenty of people defending him. there are plenty of people that don't listen to the news. welcome to america.
 
2012-04-10 07:33:40 PM  

karmaceutical: Man, this guy is playing this thing all wrong. All wrong. And WTF is going on with calling into Hannity. Is he gunning for some twisted martyr status? Fox News job??


Like he is gonna call Al Sharpton?
 
2012-04-10 07:33:58 PM  
It's a great story because it keeps you idiots fighting amongst yourselves all day instead of doing something dangerous, like organizing protests.

There's a reason why an innocuous "hot button" story crops up every couple weeks and the media beats it to death.
 
2012-04-10 07:34:07 PM  

MattyFridays: Here's the biggest problem I have with all of this.

Zimmerman has basically been convicted by the court of public opinion and there's no way he'll get a fair trial if he does get charged with something.


...except this is the exact same thing people biatched about when Casey Anthony went on trial. Oh yeah, everyone vilified her and called for her head on a pike, but the jury saw through the (absence of) evidence and delivered a not guilty verdict.

Sure the court of public opinion can gauge how a great number of people in the Untied States feel, but then the trial courts have this awesome process called voir dire where they weed out the idiots who succumb to the court of public opinion for their vote.

/System sort of works, dude.
//Except with OJ.
 
2012-04-10 07:34:32 PM  
Why have an attorney when you are not going to be charged with a crime?
 
2012-04-10 07:34:33 PM  

steamingpile: Weaver95: oooo! internet tough guy talk!

Yes we have seen you post shiat before, you are just the passive version in internet tough guys, its a tired act and got old a couple years ago.

Usually we can just ignore you but your posts in trayvon threads are so frequent it feels like every other post is yours, basically saying some stupid bullshiat then never answering when people ask you to prove anything but ask them for proof.

Its elementary school trolling.


moar internet tough guy talk! you gonna walk over here and punch my IP address there tough guy?
 
2012-04-10 07:34:43 PM  

spongeboob: WingedMonkeyRescueEffort: netweavr: Weaver95: Zimmerman seems...unwise.

He's a 28 year old kid who has half the country ready to lynch him.

28 years old does not a kid make.

Age is such strange concept in the US. If you are 18 in college you are a kid, 18 and in the military you are an adult.
If you are a politician you can claim that it was a youthful mistake well into your thirties, but be 18-19 and poor/lower middle class and commit a crime and you need to learn there are consequences to your actions.

Funniest thing the people supporting Zimmerman see a 16 year old as a thug and a 28 year old as a kid.


Eh? They're both kids. The whole situation is fubared.
 
2012-04-10 07:35:09 PM  

The_Six_Fingered_Man: LasersHurt: Kid was walking home from the store, unarmed, in his own neighborhood. Private citizen, not security guard, follows him. At some point he gets out of his car and follows the kid on foot, confronting him. There may have been a struggle - all we know is the guy shot the kid to death.

Not his neighborhood. His dad's. He did not live there full time. He was visiting.


For the life of me I can't imagine the relevance of this correction.
 
2012-04-10 07:35:20 PM  

SoCalSurfer: Can fark just get a Zimmerman tag? I'm so sick of this shiat


have you tried reading a different thread?
 
2012-04-10 07:35:32 PM  
can we just call it even for OJ?
 
2012-04-10 07:35:40 PM  

steamingpile:
Proof, to get a 1st degree conviction in florida there has to be a lot of proof put out that he had either talked about killing someone or some other information to show he had intended to kill, without that proof florida is a hard state to get a 1st degree conviction which is why he wasnt arrested or charged.

If you dont like the law then change it but this kid did not kill anyone in cold blood, he reacted and killed him, in most states that would still get you a manslaughter conviction but not 1st degree but in florida they will be hard to convict him of anything with the way that law is written.


He fits the criteria for 2nd degree murder to a T.

Florida statute on 1st also considers aggravated circumstance in order to convict for 1st. Of the specifically enumerated other offenses that would qualify McFatty for 1st are aggravated stalking and kidnapping, both of which could be argued.

Neither requires proof. All that is required is evidence enough to convince a jury that the prosecutor's argument is reasonably beyond doubt.
 
2012-04-10 07:35:40 PM  

UCFRoadWarrior: Black Ku Klux Klan


What the fark is the black KKK?
 
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