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2012-04-10 07:16:18 PM

WingedMonkeyRescueEffort: netweavr: Weaver95: Zimmerman seems...unwise.

He's a 28 year old kid who has half the country ready to lynch him.

28 years old does not a kid make.


NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! I already found a way to make this apply to me since I'm 32. I was a young adult again for 30 whole seconds.
 
2012-04-10 07:16:20 PM
Perhaps I have too much faith in the criminal justice system to at least bring someone to trial. My bad.
 
2012-04-10 07:16:28 PM
I just aged myself didn't I?
 
2012-04-10 07:16:28 PM
Sympathy for the George Dylan

Let me please introduce myself
I'm a man of self-defense and taste
And I laid traps for hoodies
Who get killed before they reached their gated community...

Pleased to meet you
Hope you guess my name, oh yeah
But what's confusing you
Is just the nature of my homeowner's association, ooh yeah

Just as every African-American is a criminal
And all the skittles weapons
As heads is tails just call me a community watchmen
I'm in need of some restraint
 
2012-04-10 07:16:49 PM
Shocking. He seems like he has a real regard for law and order. A real American hero type.
 
2012-04-10 07:16:51 PM

WingedMonkeyRescueEffort: netweavr: Weaver95: Zimmerman seems...unwise.

He's a 28 year old kid who has half the country ready to lynch him.

28 years old does not a kid make.


Shut up, you. By his logic I'm still in my late teens.

And I can buy booze! And bang 19 year olds without feeling guilty about it!
 
2012-04-10 07:17:00 PM

Ender's: In the court of public opinion he's guilty. In a court of law, he isn't even on trial. People need to disassociate their feelings for a couple of minutes to think it over like rational sane people before firing up the torches.


Ahaha, good one. The media is now involved, so the guy doesn't stand a chance. CNN, NBC, and ABC have all pulled shenanigans with their reporting that they've had to recant. And that's to say nothing of always using the picture of him from when he's 12.

There's a narrative to push, and damnit, the media is going to push it. They're going to string up Zimmerman for ratings, fair trial be damned. The public's opinion has been formed for them, and the governor had to appoint a special prosecutor just so he could indict the guy and (hopefully) avoid a race riot.

This whole thing is about to get way worse before it gets better.
 
2012-04-10 07:17:12 PM

mjoven1975: 9beers please report to this thread.


Sup?
 
2012-04-10 07:17:37 PM

mjoven1975: 9beers please report to this thread.


I think we wore him out in one of the redlit threads. he was busy trying to say that punching someone in the nose doesn't leave a mark, then tripped over Res ipsa loquitur and hurt himself.
 
2012-04-10 07:17:37 PM

TravisBickle62: Government Fromage: ::Sigh:: I wish we could go a day without a thread about this jackass.

You might want to stop posting to them then


I know. I've stayed out of most of them, but it's like a horrible trainwreck. You can't help but look.
 
2012-04-10 07:18:02 PM
Read the article; Zimmerman's gone full retard. He's not talking with his own lawyers (which is why they were allowed to quit), he's having conversations with the woman who will decide whether to charge him, possibly saying self-incriminating things to her, and running his mouth to the media.

Even someone who flunked the GED exam for law could tell you: SHUT THE FARK UP AND LET YOUR ATTORNEY HANDLE THINGS!!! If he had lied low, this might have blown over. Now the prosecutor probably smells blood in the water, and he'll be lucky if he only gets a short sentence.
 
2012-04-10 07:18:41 PM

ravenlore: If he's even still in this country i'd be surprised.


In a cruel twist of irony, a black guy swam back to Africa with Zimmerman under his arm.
 
2012-04-10 07:19:01 PM

Kanabiis: Scum knows scum....


No, the police wont help him anymore. They screwed up the first time.
 
2012-04-10 07:19:06 PM

Fabric_Man: Read the article; Zimmerman's gone full retard. He's not talking with his own lawyers (which is why they were allowed to quit), he's having conversations with the woman who will decide whether to charge him, possibly saying self-incriminating things to her, and running his mouth to the media.

Even someone who flunked the GED exam for law could tell you: SHUT THE FARK UP AND LET YOUR ATTORNEY HANDLE THINGS!!! If he had lied low, this might have blown over. Now the prosecutor probably smells blood in the water, and he'll be lucky if he only gets a short sentence.


Well they have to have a trial and convict him before he gets any sentence
 
2012-04-10 07:19:13 PM
He's gonna need a miracle to be innocent and alive.
 
2012-04-10 07:19:15 PM
Here's the biggest problem I have with all of this.

Zimmerman has basically been convicted by the court of public opinion and there's no way he'll get a fair trial if he does get charged with something.

The same thing happened in the Ravi Dharun case with Tyler Clementi. There is no way, no how you can tell me he convicted a hate crime... beyond a shadow of a doubt. The very fact there was so much public debate whether it was a hate crime or not SHOWS this.

Ravi was guilty of violating Tyler's privacy, and he should get in trouble and go to jail. But was it a hate crime? Not bloody likely.
 
2012-04-10 07:19:17 PM

Fabric_Man: Read the article; Zimmerman's gone full retard. He's not talking with his own lawyers (which is why they were allowed to quit), he's having conversations with the woman who will decide whether to charge him, possibly saying self-incriminating things to her, and running his mouth to the media.

Even someone who flunked the GED exam for law could tell you: SHUT THE FARK UP AND LET YOUR ATTORNEY HANDLE THINGS!!! If he had lied low, this might have blown over. Now the prosecutor probably smells blood in the water, and he'll be lucky if he only gets a short sentence.


yeah, but if Zimmerman wants to put his own ass in a sling, then who are we to stop him?
 
2012-04-10 07:19:24 PM

Why Would I Read the Article: This whole thing is about to get way worse before it gets better.


I maintain my position that it's logically disjointed and emotionally over reactive.
 
2012-04-10 07:19:30 PM

Ed Finnerty: MisterLoki: netweavr: Weaver95: Zimmerman seems...unwise.

He's a 28 year old kid who has half the country ready to lynch him.

28 year old kid?

Alrighty.

He's lucky he's not 16. He might've even be tried as an adult.


Are you kidding? If he was 16 he would be hailed as an underdog hero who had fought off a vicious gangster. Only way he would have been arrested and tried is if he looked a bit more like the kid he lit up.
 
2012-04-10 07:19:32 PM

Fabric_Man: Read the article; Zimmerman's gone full retard. He's not talking with his own lawyers (which is why they were allowed to quit), he's having conversations with the woman who will decide whether to charge him, possibly saying self-incriminating things to her, and running his mouth to the media.


He's talking to the DA? What the hell?
 
2012-04-10 07:19:50 PM

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: Going to the special prosecutor while referring to your lawyers as 'legal advisers' sounds a whole lot like someone's working on his own defense. Maybe he's been reading ChuDogg's posts and thinking he can handle this himself.

And who else here believes the words 'do you know who my father is' were dropped while he was talking to the prosecutor?


Oh, I'm sure dropping the name of a magistrate from another state will have a special prosecutor shaking in her boots.
 
2012-04-10 07:20:07 PM

jaybeezey: Weaver95: netweavr: Weaver95: Zimmerman seems...unwise.

He's a 28 year old kid who has half the country ready to lynch him.

*sigh*

I know. i'll never make the big leagues. i'm just not willing to murder innocents to up my rep score.

Murder involves premeditation, you may have problems proving that.


1st Degree murder involves premeditation. 2nd doesn't.

When you walk in on your old lady blowing the pool boy and shoot them in a fit of rage, that's 2nd. When you walk out of the cabana, buy a gun, stalk them for two days, break into his condo and shoot them when they come back from the club, that is 1st.
 
2012-04-10 07:20:10 PM

Weaver95: he was busy trying to say that punching someone in the nose doesn't leave a mark


I'm waiting for you to provide some sort of evidence that it's a given that a person who punches somebody in the face has to have marks on their knuckles. Since it's such an obvious fact, you should be able to cite hundreds of cases.
 
2012-04-10 07:20:33 PM

MattyFridays: Here's the biggest problem I have with all of this.

Zimmerman has basically been convicted by the court of public opinion and there's no way he'll get a fair trial if he does get charged with something.


Fair point, of course, this does make things a lot harder.
 
2012-04-10 07:20:46 PM

nekom: What is the significance of this? He's not, at least as of yet, been charged with any crime. He's not been sued. He's not actively litigating any case that I'm aware of. So what, these lawyers are going to withdraw from doing nothing?


It does seem kind of weird. Good lawyers generally don't look to jettison themselves from high profile cases, as even if they're on the "wrong" side, if they do their job well it's good pub for them. Granted Zimmerman going underground for two days right now is galactically stupid, but technically he's not done anything wrong by doing so, right? He wasn't on any kind of court-ordered travel restrictions or anything I assume?
 
2012-04-10 07:21:02 PM

jaybeezey: Weaver95: netweavr: Weaver95: Zimmerman seems...unwise.

He's a 28 year old kid who has half the country ready to lynch him.

*sigh*

I know. i'll never make the big leagues. i'm just not willing to murder innocents to up my rep score.

Murder involves premeditation, you may have problems proving that.


Uh...wut?
 
2012-04-10 07:21:25 PM

MattyFridays: The same thing happened in the Ravi Dharun case with Tyler Clementi. There is no way, no how you can tell me he convicted a hate crime... beyond a shadow of a doubt


Well then, its a good thing that isn't the standard we use.
 
2012-04-10 07:21:30 PM

Packard Walsh: Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: Going to the special prosecutor while referring to your lawyers as 'legal advisers' sounds a whole lot like someone's working on his own defense. Maybe he's been reading ChuDogg's posts and thinking he can handle this himself.

And who else here believes the words 'do you know who my father is' were dropped while he was talking to the prosecutor?

Oh, I'm sure dropping the name of a magistrate from another state will have a special prosecutor shaking in her boots.


I don't know where people got the idea that this 3rd rate lawyer from Virginia has incredible pull in Florida
 
2012-04-10 07:22:04 PM

FlashHarry: you're going to jail, buddy. good thing, too.


Why is that a good thing? Because you buy the line that he hunted down a child?

It helps to make a decision on your own instead of relying on what people who want to sell a story tells you to believe, but then someone has to be the victim.
 
2012-04-10 07:22:15 PM

MattyFridays: Here's the biggest problem I have with all of this.

Zimmerman has basically been convicted by the court of public opinion and there's no way he'll get a fair trial if he does get charged with something.

The same thing happened in the Ravi Dharun case with Tyler Clementi. There is no way, no how you can tell me he convicted a hate crime... beyond a shadow of a doubt. The very fact there was so much public debate whether it was a hate crime or not SHOWS this.

Ravi was guilty of violating Tyler's privacy, and he should get in trouble and go to jail. But was it a hate crime? Not bloody likely.


The law does not require proof beyond a shadow of a doubt. It requires proof beyond a reasonable doubt.

Glad I could help.
 
2012-04-10 07:22:15 PM

Government Fromage: TravisBickle62: Government Fromage: ::Sigh:: I wish we could go a day without a thread about this jackass.

You might want to stop posting to them then

I know. I've stayed out of most of them, but it's like a horrible trainwreck. You can't help but look.


Tell me about it. Between this and Sandra Fluke, there are days I think it would be better (and more healthful) if I were addicted to smack instead of Fark.
 
2012-04-10 07:22:29 PM

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus:
In a cruel twist of irony, a black guy swam back to Africa with Zimmerman under his arm.


In German, Zimmerman means kegger:
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2012-04-10 07:22:46 PM

MattyFridays: Here's the biggest problem I have with all of this.

Zimmerman has basically been convicted by the court of public opinion and there's no way he'll get a fair trial if he does get charged with something.


This is a weird standard to use, since this basically means we wouldn't be able to try anyone who committed a horrible crime and made himself a spectacle before the trial. It's basically letting the defendant - by his own actions - get himself off the hook. That's not how it works.
 
2012-04-10 07:22:49 PM
Oh boy, the internet lawyers have swarmed in to the thread.

Time to bail before my brain starts dying.
 
2012-04-10 07:22:56 PM
If the police are just standing idly by as the black panthers call for murder, then i'd get the hell out of the way, too.
 
2012-04-10 07:23:11 PM

9beers: Weaver95: he was busy trying to say that punching someone in the nose doesn't leave a mark

I'm waiting for you to provide some sort of evidence that it's a given that a person who punches somebody in the face has to have marks on their knuckles. Since it's such an obvious fact, you should be able to cite hundreds of cases.


and again - Res ipsa loquitur.
 
2012-04-10 07:23:13 PM

RibbyK: [begin soapbox]
Zimmerman has not been charged with any crime.
Zimmerman has not been charged with any crime.
Zimmerman has not been charged with any crime.
[end soapbox]

/carry on


You realize, that's kind of what many people think is the problem, right?

And I'm not here to rush to judgment. All I want is to see the case go forward.
 
2012-04-10 07:23:36 PM
The website he set up to get donations for his defense is really for him to use to make a run for it as his lawyers said they were representing him for free.
This is also why they quit him, they know he is getting ready to run because the pink panthers have a bounty on him and he is close to being arrested.

//I would gather money and run too...
 
2012-04-10 07:23:46 PM
Ok, I've gone out of my to not give a fark about this, but it's popping up everywhere so I thought I would read the article ... Is this accurate?

Some kid attacks a security guard, and breaks his nose during the attack -- so this security guard shoots the kid and kills him.


If that's correct, then good. I'm glad the kid got shot.
If it's not. I still don't really care.

/pro-death
 
2012-04-10 07:24:12 PM

steamingpile: FlashHarry: you're going to jail, buddy. good thing, too.

Why is that a good thing? Because you buy the line that he hunted down a child?

It helps to make a decision on your own instead of relying on what people who want to sell a story tells you to believe, but then someone has to be the victim.


An armed man confronted and killed an unarmed teenager. This is a problem, no matter the specifics. I'm not saying he should definitely go to jail, mind you, the courts will decide that. But I am personally judging him.

I have nothing but contempt for people who carry guns and use them to kill (outside of professionals, and self defense, mind you).
 
2012-04-10 07:24:16 PM

Ender's: In the court of public opinion he's guilty. In a court of law, he isn't even on trial. People need to disassociate their feelings for a couple of minutes to think it over like rational sane people before firing up the torches.


Very few rational sane people are doing that. What they are saying is that the man should be tried in a court of law. He shot and killed a kid. That fact is not in dispute. What is in dispute is the circumstances, and whether that shooting was legal under this ridiculous "castle" law that Florida has.

What is insane is the idea that police bungling should prevent an actual trial from going forth, when there is already hard evidence of a shooting under questionable reasons.
 
2012-04-10 07:24:20 PM

Fabric_Man: Read the article; Zimmerman's gone full retard. He's not talking with his own lawyers (which is why they were allowed to quit), he's having conversations with the woman who will decide whether to charge him, possibly saying self-incriminating things to her, and running his mouth to the media.

Even someone who flunked the GED exam for law could tell you: SHUT THE FARK UP AND LET YOUR ATTORNEY HANDLE THINGS!!! If he had lied low, this might have blown over. Now the prosecutor probably smells blood in the water, and he'll be lucky if he only gets a short sentence.


I'm actually not sure if prosecuting him would be good for her future politically. Remember, Florida is a state with a lot of old white dudes who probably quite like the idea of popping off some darky kids.
 
2012-04-10 07:24:31 PM

Ender's: Why Would I Read the Article: This whole thing is about to get way worse before it gets better.
I maintain my position that it's logically disjointed and emotionally over reactive.


Heard it hear first: one more person's gotta die before this gets better. My money's on Zimmerman, or a Trayvon relative commits suicide.
 
2012-04-10 07:24:32 PM
And, with this turn of events, I present the following hotlinked picture:

Actresses Amy Bruni and Kris Williams attend the 2010 Syfy Upfront party at The Museum of Modern Art on March 16, 2010 in New York City

www3.pictures.zimbio.com

/actresses?
 
2012-04-10 07:24:44 PM

9beers: Weaver95: he was busy trying to say that punching someone in the nose doesn't leave a mark

I'm waiting for you to provide some sort of evidence that it's a given that a person who punches somebody in the face has to have marks on their knuckles. Since it's such an obvious fact, you should be able to cite hundreds of cases.


Its because he cant, if you hit someone flush in the face then your hand wont show any signs of damage, now if you hit them in the mouth or jaw line then its most likely a few cut fingers or a broken knuckle.

Its how you can tell weaver is a pussy and never had to defend himself.
 
2012-04-10 07:24:49 PM

RibbyK: Zimmerman has not been charged with any crime.


Which is exactly the source of the outrage.
 
2012-04-10 07:24:59 PM

HellRaisingHoosier: Ok, I've gone out of my to not give a fark about this, but it's popping up everywhere so I thought I would read the article ... Is this accurate?

Some kid attacks a security guard, and breaks his nose during the attack -- so this security guard shoots the kid and kills him.


If that's correct, then good. I'm glad the kid got shot.
If it's not. I still don't really care.

/pro-death


You get your news from Facebook, I see.
 
2012-04-10 07:25:06 PM

lewismarktwo: Why would you want to be a lawyer on a case that's already been tried, sealed, delivered (I'm yours)?
/in the court of the 5 minute hate
//look over here, america


what the hell are you talking about?

he was let go and the kid was assumed guilty for weeks.

then the idea that "maybe a guy who shot an unarmed kid" may be guilty of a crime was considered, only after public condemnation occurred.

THAT is where the problem is.

demanding the police and prosecutors do their job is not "tried, sealed, and delivered".

and this was no where near "5 minutes"

An unarmed kid was killed at 7pm while walking through his own neighborhood.
THIS deserves more than "test the dead kid for drugs" and believe everything the shooter says.
 
2012-04-10 07:25:15 PM

RibbyK: netweavr: Weaver95: Zimmerman seems...unwise.

He's a 28 year old kid who has half 13 percent of the country ready to lynch him.

FTFY


Because only black people care about this at all.
 
2012-04-10 07:25:33 PM
Can fark just get a Zimmerman tag? I'm so sick of this shiat
 
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