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(ESPN)   Miami Marlins fail to realize that the cold war ended decades ago. Suspend Ozzie Guillen for pro-Castro remarks. Guess the Marlins support the brutal military dictatorship of Batista and old system of racial serfdom instead   (espn.go.com) divider line 271
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2012-04-10 01:20:36 PM

Mock26: HotWingConspiracy: When are these Cuban people going to take back the island? Sitting around for decades crying about it hasn't worked.

I used to work with a Cuban who was born in Cuba and fled to Miami with his family and grew up there before he escaped the crazy and moved to Chicago. He says that nearly every Cuban he knows believes that when the Communist regime fails that they will be able to go home and reclaim all of the property that they or other members of their family used to own.


Yeah that will be an awkward homecoming. They should talk with some Palestinians to see how all that works out.
 
2012-04-10 01:20:38 PM

Lunchlady: Wow. They filled a brand new stadium on its opening day. Truly inspiring dedication.


Incredible, isn't it?

And for a frame of reference, last year they opened against the Mets and got over 41,000 in the park (many of them transplanted New Yorkers) on opening night. The next day, the were down around 32,000, followed by 18,000 in the 3rd game and 10,000 for the 4th against Washington.
 
2012-04-10 01:20:45 PM

Yanks_RSJ: ManOfTeal: I submit to you the following image from April 4, 2012 Opening Day at New Marlins Park in Miami:

Opening Day at a new ballpark is hardly relevant to the day-to-day attendance. Let's see how many people are there for home game #2, Friday night against the Astros.

If I wanted to, I could buy four tickets directly behind home plate in the 25th row right now for $75 each.


Well, they have already sold over 15,000+ season tickets this season so if at least half of the stadium is not full then somebody is wasting their money.
 
2012-04-10 01:23:05 PM

ackb4r: They are trying hard to develop a fan base, and Ozzie isn't helping.


Hmmm... say something offensive to local Cuban fan base... get suspended by ownership in a show of respect for local Cuban fan base... get press coverage in -- and positive feedback from -- local Cuban fan base?

... naw... I'd almost buy that it was planned but I am not sure either Marlin management or Mr. Guillen are that clever.

ManOfTeal: I submit to you the following image from April 4, 2012 Opening Day at New Marlins Park in Miami:


Wait. Are you -proud- of that? Looks like a whole lot more "empty plastic chair" than "cheering fan" in that photo.

Opening day -- especially in a new stadium -- should be packed. Or maybe that pic was taken hours after the game ended?
 
2012-04-10 01:23:24 PM

SharkTrager:

I doubt it was a troll since Stalin and Mao made Hitler look like a piker, and Pol Pot only trails Hitler because he was in such a small country.

The real issue is that none of those men are actually Communists, despite their claims of devotion to Marx.


Yeah, but isn't that the problem with communism? It's never implemented the "right" way. It seems to be an endemic problem in every implementation. After so many failed iterations, it appears to be incompatible with the human desire for sloth and power. The experiments have all failed.
 
2012-04-10 01:23:31 PM
I am constantly amazed by how many people think freedom of speech has anything to do with one's relationship with one's employer.
 
2012-04-10 01:23:36 PM

Lunchlady: ManOfTeal: CavalierEternal: TravisBickle62: Rule Number 1: Try to avoid alienating your fan base

If the Marlins had fans, you would have a good point there.

I submit to you the following image from April 4, 2012 Opening Day at New Marlins Park in Miami:

[www.sportsnet.ca image 640x360]

So, you're telling me all of those people just happened to be walking by in Little Havana and a baseball game erupted around them?

What Ozzie said was wrong and he knows it. As it is he is barely understandable when he speaks English so his meaning was probably lost in translation just like he said in the article but who knows?

Wow. They filled a brand new stadium on its opening day. Truly inspiring dedication.


Actually, that pic shows that they did NOT fill a brand new stadium on opening day. A very good crowd, yes, but look at all of the empty blue seats.

/I'm a Pirates fan
//I know what opening day at the ballpark should look like
///and also what a nearly-empty ballpark looks like
////even at one of the best ballparks in the US
 
2012-04-10 01:23:44 PM

Lunchlady: ManOfTeal: CavalierEternal: TravisBickle62: Rule Number 1: Try to avoid alienating your fan base

If the Marlins had fans, you would have a good point there.

I submit to you the following image from April 4, 2012 Opening Day at New Marlins Park in Miami:

[www.sportsnet.ca image 640x360]

So, you're telling me all of those people just happened to be walking by in Little Havana and a baseball game erupted around them?

What Ozzie said was wrong and he knows it. As it is he is barely understandable when he speaks English so his meaning was probably lost in translation just like he said in the article but who knows?

Wow. They filled a brand new stadium on its opening day. Truly inspiring dedication.


To drive into Little Havana with no public transportation, save for a small trolley, plus nowhere to park because only season ticket holders can park in the deck I would say that amount of people shows tremendous dedication considering the Heat were also playing that night and well, all those beaches.
 
2012-04-10 01:23:53 PM

This text is now purple: jayhawk88: Twitter rumor going around right now that there are only 26 college degrees between all players and coaches currently in baseball. That can't be right, can it?

It can be, given that most professional drafts occur of high school players, and the baseball has a huge influx of Caribbean players of a similar age.

I would suspect that most hockey players don't have a college degree, either.


Not to mention I doubt the NFL and NBA's degree counts are weighted by "Sociology degrees from FSU or Michigan State" vs. "Mechanical Engineering degrees from MIT".
 
2012-04-10 01:23:53 PM
Praising Castro = 5 game suspension

So assuming MLB is not just making stuff up as they go, they must have a big board quantifying the exact suspensions warranted by praising particular political figures:

2 games - Praising Berlusconi

3 games - Praising David Cameron

4 games - Praising Obama

5 games - Praising Castro

9 games - Praising Chavez

87 games - Praising Iranian-dude's-name-I-can't-spell

Lifetime ban - Praising Santorum
 
2012-04-10 01:24:34 PM
Should have gone with the Florida tag, because this illustrates the batshiat insane nature of the state as clearly as anything we see on Fark.

If Florida weren't a swing state, we'd have moved to a sane policy towards Cuba about 20 years ago.
 
2012-04-10 01:25:14 PM

Rapmaster2000: SharkTrager:

I doubt it was a troll since Stalin and Mao made Hitler look like a piker, and Pol Pot only trails Hitler because he was in such a small country.

The real issue is that none of those men are actually Communists, despite their claims of devotion to Marx.

Yeah, but isn't that the problem with communism? It's never implemented the "right" way. It seems to be an endemic problem in every implementation. After so many failed iterations, it appears to be incompatible with the human desire for sloth and power. The experiments have all failed.


Anything larger than a kibbutz can't really cope with it. Too many players, too many motives.
 
2012-04-10 01:25:56 PM

ManOfTeal: To drive into Little Havana with no public transportation, save for a small trolley, plus nowhere to park because only season ticket holders can park in the deck I would say that amount of people shows tremendous dedication considering the Heat were also playing that night and well, all those beaches.


So this is the Miami version of Tampa's "we can't drive across a BRIDGE to see baseball! It's crazy!!"
 
2012-04-10 01:26:07 PM

machoprogrammer: Nice trolltastic headline


Yes, because anything you don't personally agree with is a troll. Holy crap I'm starting to hate Fark, and this new breed of halfwits who think the only way to respond to a different opinion is to call it a "troll".
 
2012-04-10 01:26:13 PM
Pointing out that people want him dead is hardly "pro-Castro"
 
2012-04-10 01:27:12 PM

King Something: Clemkadidlefark: Subby is obviously trolling for headlines while taking a break from throwing molotov cocktails and sewing hammer and sickle knee pads for his OWS pals ....

The Marlins manager was suspended without pay for five days for his pro-Castro comments.

What, exactly, does this have to do with Occupy Wall Street?


You can't possibly be this stupid...


Castro = communist/socialist
OWS = communist/socialist
Obama = communist/socialist
 
2012-04-10 01:27:44 PM
Headline may be the first recorded instance on Fark of a "Both sides are bad, so vote for the brutal communist dictatorship"

NightOwl2255: moops: mark12A: Commies aren't cool.

They killed five times as many people as Hitler did, but for some reason you Farktards give them a pass....

troll troll troll your boat

You really think that was a troll? I picture some redneck that's been out of work for a couple years sitting at his desk, or what a board across a couple of cinder blocks passes for a desk in his trailer, pounding out his hate and ignorance, but really meaning it.


Stalin killed an estimated 20 Million people in the process of bringing Communism to Russia. An estimated 65 Million have been killed by the communist regime in China. An estimated 2 Million were killed by Pol Pot in Cambodia and another 2 Million by North Korea. Add in a few million more throughout Africa and Latin America and you're up to about 96 Million people killed in the name of 'communism'.

Hitler killed roughly 25 million. So the original poster was ignorant is as much as he was off by a factor, it's 4 times as many, not 5 times.
 
2012-04-10 01:27:56 PM

AliceBToklasLives: Praising Castro = 5 game suspension

So assuming MLB is not just making stuff up as they go, they must have a big board quantifying the exact suspensions warranted by praising particular political figures:

2 games - Praising Berlusconi

3 games - Praising David Cameron

4 games - Praising Obama

5 games - Praising Castro

9 games - Praising Chavez

87 games - Praising Iranian-dude's-name-I-can't-spell

Lifetime ban - Praising Santorum


I assume you mean Santorum the politician, but maybe I'm mistaken.
 
2012-04-10 01:28:27 PM

Yanks_RSJ:

So this is the Miami version of Tampa's "we can't drive across a BRIDGE to see baseball! It's crazy!!"


Possibly more than that, I think the Tropicana Dome is about as as bad as Olympic Stadium.
 
2012-04-10 01:28:39 PM

jayhawk88: Twitter rumor going around right now that there are only 26 college degrees between all players and coaches currently in baseball. That can't be right, can it?


I wouldn't be surprised to learn if there were only 26 GEDs between all players and coaches as well.

There are a lot of amazingly stupid baseball players.
 
2012-04-10 01:30:09 PM

MtLebanonBalogna: AliceBToklasLives:

Lifetime ban - Praising Santorum

I assume you mean Santorum the politician, but maybe I'm mistaken.


I think such a ban would be appropriate under either interpretation.
 
2012-04-10 01:30:24 PM

Talondel: Headline may be the first recorded instance on Fark of a "Both sides are bad, so vote for the brutal communist dictatorship"

NightOwl2255: moops: mark12A: Commies aren't cool.

They killed five times as many people as Hitler did, but for some reason you Farktards give them a pass....

troll troll troll your boat

You really think that was a troll? I picture some redneck that's been out of work for a couple years sitting at his desk, or what a board across a couple of cinder blocks passes for a desk in his trailer, pounding out his hate and ignorance, but really meaning it.

Stalin killed an estimated 20 Million people in the process of bringing Communism to Russia. An estimated 65 Million have been killed by the communist regime in China. An estimated 2 Million were killed by Pol Pot in Cambodia and another 2 Million by North Korea. Add in a few million more throughout Africa and Latin America and you're up to about 96 Million people killed in the name of 'communism'.

Hitler killed roughly 25 million. So the original poster was ignorant is as much as he was off by a factor, it's 4 times as many, not 5 times.


Yes, but how many has Castro Killed? How does it compare to the U.S.?
 
2012-04-10 01:30:38 PM

fatalvenom: jayhawk88: Twitter rumor going around right now that there are only 26 college degrees between all players and coaches currently in baseball. That can't be right, can it?

I wouldn't be surprised to learn if there were only 26 GEDs between all players and coaches as well.

There are a lot of amazingly stupid baseball players.


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2012-04-10 01:31:48 PM

Yanks_RSJ: ManOfTeal: I submit to you the following image from April 4, 2012 Opening Day at New Marlins Park in Miami:

Opening Day at a new ballpark is hardly relevant to the day-to-day attendance. Let's see how many people are there for home game #2, Friday night against the Astros.

If I wanted to, I could buy four tickets directly behind home plate in the 25th row right now for $75 each.


What's stopping you? That's right near the live fish tanks.
 
2012-04-10 01:32:50 PM

Cyberluddite: feverishly suck the Cuban-American community's collective cock


Oh yeah. Images.
 
2012-04-10 01:33:34 PM
I'd love for subby to explain how disliking Castro is automatically supporting Batista. That said, agreed that simply not hating Castro enough should not be cause to punish the guy.
 
2012-04-10 01:33:56 PM
Can't we just say that Batista and Castro were bad? Why does it have to be either/or?
 
2012-04-10 01:34:33 PM
Good news Ozzy! Castro just offered you the helm of the Cuban national team!

What? You say you do not want to live in Cuba? Why not?
 
2012-04-10 01:34:42 PM

SFSailor: ackb4r: They are trying hard to develop a fan base, and Ozzie isn't helping.

Hmmm... say something offensive to local Cuban fan base... get suspended by ownership in a show of respect for local Cuban fan base... get press coverage in -- and positive feedback from -- local Cuban fan base?

... naw... I'd almost buy that it was planned but I am not sure either Marlin management or Mr. Guillen are that clever.

ManOfTeal: I submit to you the following image from April 4, 2012 Opening Day at New Marlins Park in Miami:

Wait. Are you -proud- of that? Looks like a whole lot more "empty plastic chair" than "cheering fan" in that photo.

Opening day -- especially in a new stadium -- should be packed. Or maybe that pic was taken hours after the game ended?


Compared to last years opening day crowd it's world's better.
 
2012-04-10 01:35:06 PM
"A Cuban-American advocacy group in Miami, Vigilia Mambisa, has said it would boycott and demonstrate against Guillen until the Marlins fire him. "

Good idea, that'll be the straw that breaks Castro's back.
 
2012-04-10 01:35:18 PM

MickCollins: Cuba would be in better shape today if Batista hadn't been overthrown.


We can also say Cuba would have been drastically better if the CIA hadn't sprayed all of the tobacco crops with chemicals and the US Government had respected the right of the Cuban people to choose their own government rather than restricting trade and forcing other countries to do the same.

/just sayin
 
2012-04-10 01:36:19 PM

BiffDangler: Can't we just say that Batista and Castro were bad? Why does it have to be either/or?


Yes. Them's the rules.

/apparently
 
2012-04-10 01:36:20 PM

Cndn Bacon: Well that's just stupid, subby. Why would they support him when they have to play him in June?

[www.bronxbombersbeat.com image 594x423]

Go Jays!!

/You guys are getting way too bent out of shape over a headline.


Do NOT remind me about the game last night!

ProTip: When the pitcher has had 8 good innings, let him at least TRY to have the 9th as well.

/"Relief" pitching my arse
 
2012-04-10 01:36:38 PM

ManOfTeal: Lunchlady: ManOfTeal: CavalierEternal: TravisBickle62: Rule Number 1: Try to avoid alienating your fan base

If the Marlins had fans, you would have a good point there.

I submit to you the following image from April 4, 2012 Opening Day at New Marlins Park in Miami:

[www.sportsnet.ca image 640x360]

So, you're telling me all of those people just happened to be walking by in Little Havana and a baseball game erupted around them?

What Ozzie said was wrong and he knows it. As it is he is barely understandable when he speaks English so his meaning was probably lost in translation just like he said in the article but who knows?

Wow. They filled a brand new stadium on its opening day. Truly inspiring dedication.

To drive into Little Havana with no public transportation, save for a small trolley, plus nowhere to park because only season ticket holders can park in the deck I would say that amount of people shows tremendous dedication considering the Heat were also playing that night and well, all those beaches.


How come every time a Florida sports team has paltry attendance the first thing blamed is public transport? For the Rays is the Bridge of Doom. The Dolphins are apparently in the third world.

Angel Stadium has an Amtrak station that is maybe served by one train in each direction on game day, they will usually do pretty respectable with numbers.

Look, I understand that there is a large number of transplants in Florida and home team fans are hard to cultivate without a winning record. But don't pretend there's some sort of special reason unique to Florida as to why people don't go to games. People would rather enjoy the sun, the team stinks, and everyone is from out of town. The end.
 
2012-04-10 01:36:48 PM

karmaceutical: Yes, Ozzie's statements fly in the face of their PR scheme to win the hearts of minds of Latin baseball fans.


What's that about Puerto Ricans?
 
2012-04-10 01:36:50 PM

PunchDrunkPanda: @WhitlockJason: Should Ozzie have known better living in Miami? Absolutely. But Ozzie doesn't strike me as an intellectual. He's a baseball player.


This could be the first thing Jason Whitlock has ever said that I agree with.
 
2012-04-10 01:37:31 PM

ManOfTeal: What's stopping you? That's right near the live fish tanks.


The flight to Miami. I realize that's not as good an excuse as a lack of parking, but it'll have to do.
 
2012-04-10 01:37:35 PM

jayhawk88: Twitter rumor going around right now that there are only 26 college degrees between all players and coaches currently in baseball. That can't be right, can it?


That was the number on opening day 2009. Can't imagine it'll have shifted much.
 
2012-04-10 01:37:42 PM

Killer Cars: BiffDangler: Can't we just say that Batista and Castro were bad? Why does it have to be either/or?

Yes No. Them's the rules.

/apparently


Oops.
 
2012-04-10 01:39:12 PM

ManOfTeal: I submit to you the following image from April 4, 2012 Opening Day at New Marlins Park in Miami:



Lunchlady: Wow. They filled a brand new stadium on its opening day. Truly inspiring dedication.


Actually, look again. Lots and lots of empty seats in that photo.
 
2012-04-10 01:39:17 PM

Rapmaster2000: SharkTrager:

I doubt it was a troll since Stalin and Mao made Hitler look like a piker, and Pol Pot only trails Hitler because he was in such a small country.

The real issue is that none of those men are actually Communists, despite their claims of devotion to Marx.

Yeah, but isn't that the problem with communism? It's never implemented the "right" way. It seems to be an endemic problem in every implementation. After so many failed iterations, it appears to be incompatible with the human desire for sloth and power. The experiments have all failed.


It works if your nation is clan/tribe based, but doesn't seem to work with any major industrial power. It's practically impossible to manage the economy like that, and still give people a reason to innovate/etc in terms of goods or services.

It's hard to top capitalism with a strong social and regulatory safety net.
 
2012-04-10 01:39:36 PM

BiffDangler: Can't we just say that Batista and Castro were bad? Why does it have to be either/or?


We can. I don't think the people longing for the good old days under Batista can.
 
2012-04-10 01:42:59 PM

HotWingConspiracy: BiffDangler: Can't we just say that Batista and Castro were bad? Why does it have to be either/or?

We can. I don't think the people longing for the good old days under Batista can.


I wish Obama (or any Presidential candidate really) would have a clear lead and could just say "You know what, what we're doing with Cuba is dumb as shiat. We could be their number one trading partner and export billions in infrastructure and industry with next to nothing in transport cost while at the same time increasing manufacturing jobs in southern Florida. Suck a lemon Cubans, I don't care if you vote for me, I'm gonna win anyway."

Maybe second term Obama.
 
2012-04-10 01:46:02 PM
Cyberluddite:
Here are a few random shots that I have posted in past threads--this is a fairly representative sample, because some of the cars you see are totally cherried-out, and some are beat to shiat clunkers held together with duct tape and baling wire:

[www.majhost.com image 600x503]

[www.majhost.com image 640x367]

[www.majhost.com image 640x440]

[www.majhost.com image 640x363]


Hmm. I'm having trouble finding any cars in that first photo. Did you post the right image? :)
 
2012-04-10 01:46:41 PM

advex101: TabASlotB: jayhawk88: Twitter rumor going around right now that there are only 26 college degrees between all players and coaches currently in baseball. That can't be right, can it?

Possible source for that claim @ http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124511558996917441.html

It's from 2009, but it specifically says: "...while many current major leaguers had college experience, we found only 26 (including managers), who have earned degrees."

If the other sports had a minor league system that went as deep as the one in baseball they would have the same percentage of players with degrees.


I would guess the NHL has similar numbers.
 
2012-04-10 01:48:00 PM

Bullseyed: Castro = communist/socialist
OWS = communist/socialist
Obama = communist/socialist


Obama is a fascist AND a godless communist AND a muslim.

Guy has skills.
 
2012-04-10 01:50:07 PM

Yanks_RSJ: ManOfTeal: What's stopping you? That's right near the live fish tanks.

The flight to Miami. I realize that's not as good an excuse as a lack of parking, but it'll have to do.


No, seriously, the lack of adequate stadium parking has been well publicized.

Paid attendance was 36,500, capacity is 37,000. All I'm saying is that their should be many more butts in seats this year over the most recent years past. Plus barring injury they should be competitive which always helps maintain attendance.

I'm looking forward to this season. Not looking forward to Ozzie's mouth.
 
2012-04-10 01:50:10 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: Blames Fredo.


farker broke my heart.
 
2012-04-10 01:50:37 PM
Yes, but how many has Castro Killed? How does it compare to the U.S.?

YEAH BUT HOW MANY DID MENGELE KILL, HUH? HOW DOES THAT COMPARE TO HITLER, HUH???

A fascist is a fascist, a commie is a commie. They're all bad, and not worthy of any public support.
.
 
2012-04-10 01:51:10 PM

jaytkay: He offended the Cubans who came here for our freedoms.

Freedom of speech for example.


As an individual he can say what he wants but as a figurehead for the team he my not. Know your role.
 
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