Kip Carter, Gingrich's previous campaign economic advisory, was walking Newt's daughters back from a football game one day some years ago. Kip reported that he and Newt's daughters cut across a driveway where he saw a car. "As I got to the car, I saw Newt Gingrich in the passenger seat and one of the guys' wives with her head in his lap going up and down. Newt kind of turned and gave me this little-boy smile. Fortunately, Jackie Sue and Kathy (Newt's daughters) were a lot younger and shorter then I." At that time Newt Gingrich was already on too his second wife, she was not in the car that day.

nah...it's just too easy to get married, that's the problem. Any person that can legally get married can...

Clearly, we need to embrace even more traditional marriage. Let's go back to the days where women were property traded between allies and business partners to solidify relationships. TRADITION!

So Shocked!!!

/not

Article is Absolutely Absurd. Moron - do you have ANY idea how expensive divorces are?

Damn 'moes, staying together and cheapening the overall cost of legal coupling... proof once again, they're trying to destroy our costly way of life...

Marry whoever, divorce whoever. Who gives a fark? It's not my business who you live with or sleep with.

Marriage is the leading cause of divorce.

Of course gay men have the lowest divorce rates. Gay men typically don't have children, and despite what afterschool specials will have you believe, the reason that mommy and daddy no longer love each other is because you are a bad child and it's all your fault.

What you do not say is that Gay couple often commit infidelity and see that as being ok where as straight couples commit adultery and than they leave each other. But I guess that part of the study did not back up what you had to say now did it.

From the comments.

You've got to be kidding. First of all if you are going to compare "open" marriages then you need a different control - dumbass.

Dear Anybody,

If you are basing the sanctity of marriage on Hollywood debris, you are missing the point.

HailRobonia: Of course gay men have the lowest divorce rates. Gay men typically don't have children, and despite what afterschool specials will have you believe, the reason that mommy and daddy no longer love each other is because you are a bad child and it's all your fault.

As a corollary, shotgun marriages usually end badly.

xalres: Clearly, we need to embrace even more traditional marriage. Let's go back to the days where women were property traded between allies and business partners to solidify relationships. TRADITION!

So go back to the days where marriage was all about property rights? Hate to break it to you - but marriage is still about property rights. So nothing really has changed.

gingerjet: xalres: Clearly, we need to embrace even more traditional marriage. Let's go back to the days where women were property traded between allies and business partners to solidify relationships. TRADITION!

So go back to the days where marriage was all about property rights? Hate to break it to you - but marriage is still about property rights. So nothing really has changed.

Well, the wife usually has a say in who they marry now, and she's no longer considered part of the property changing hands so things have changed slightly.

And people think I'm really odd for wanting my kids to date early and often. Get all the drama out of the way, then figure out where your happiness is likely to be located. Have safe, responsible sex, so you can find someone on your wavelength.

If anyone close to me had given me this info as 'the talk' maybe I wouldn't have a failed marriage under my belt. Instead, I tried to save myself for marriage, married my first lust, had no other compatibility, and then killed the relationship when I got bored. For his part, he knew nothing other than missionary, and wasn't interested in learning.

The movie Gaslight turned me off to the idea of marriage from about the age of 12 to recently. My boyfriend, of 5+ years, in the ICU for Ludwigs Angina turned me on to the idea of marriage to get him on my insurance.

/the stupid shiat we do for love.
//he has yet to drive me to the brink of insanity and steal my inheritance, but I'm getting there.

DarwiOdrade: It's the gay men who have the lowest divorce rates.

It's the gay men who have the lowest divorce rates.

It's the gay men who have the lowest divorce rates.

Like the article said, the data is artificially skewed by the newness of the ability to marry by gays. Something you had to fight for is always more valuable than something given freely. Not only are longterm couples only just now marrying due to previous inability tilting the scales but even the newer couples are more likely to stick it out longer and try harder knowing they are being scrutinized.Over time that will even out.

My joke all along has been that the legalization of gay marriage will end the idea that gay can mean happy

It all sounds very scientific.

HailRobonia: Of course gay men have the lowest divorce rates. Gay men typically don't have children, and despite what afterschool specials will have you believe, the reason that mommy and daddy no longer love each other is because you are a bad child and it's all your fault of mommy.

FTFY.

/jk. It takes two to tango, but only one to stop trying.

I have to agree with the article, I've been saying that for years *without* the expensive study to back me up.

DarwiOdrade
It's the gay men who have the lowest divorce rates.

It's the gay men who have the lowest divorce rates.

It's the gay men who have the lowest divorce rates.

All those gay men making us look bad. I knew this would happen, thanks a lot gay men.

I got legally married in NYC last year after 13 years with SO, so yea, I'd say the article is probably right.

/Federal taxes are a biatch now.
//Farking DOMA

scarmig: Dear Anybody,

If you are basing the sanctity of marriage on Hollywood debris, you are missing the point.

I think the only person "missing the point" is YOU.

FTFA: ...gay couples joined in 2005 were less than half as likely as straight couples to divorce four years later (2.5% for gay couples versus 5.5% for straight). Must be all those turbo-commitment lesbians skewing the statistics, amiright??? Actually, no. It's the gay men who have the lowest divorce rates. By a lot, actually. By the end of 2010, 1.6 % of male civil partnerships had dissolved compared to 3.3 % of female partnerships.

This data also suggests that women are the problem with marriage, not men...

You won't get any power and money that way subby.

This headline drove home quite eloquently what I never could put so well...it's ok for straight people to wreck the sanctity (hehe, "tity..", ahem, anyway) of marriage with what, a near 50% divorce rate?

But, no, it's them queers that're the ones that are clearly ruining it...utterly psychotic.

It NEVER made sense to me...at all. And I don't even care.

And to top it off, you would think gay marriage people and fundamental Christians would be natural allies, what with that whole abortion thing. Just...so bizarre.

/whatever...not enough coffee

Something I've noticed among a number of gay and lesbian couples I know is that sex on the side seem to be much better tolerated in long-term same-sex relationships. Hell, sometimes it's encouraged.

Or, it could just be that gay couples are more willing to admit to it...

When its easier to get out of a marriage than it is to get out of your cell phone contract, its time to think about how we define marriage, and just how much legal baggage should automatically come along with it.

Look, clearly the "cheapening marriage" argument is stupid; but the statistics cited in the article are equally stupid. 2.5%? 3.3%? Those all sound like they are easily in the error rate of the study. Why 4 years? Is it because divorce rates are the most skewed at four years, and after that the "gay rates" start to coincide with the "straight rates"?

Lies, damn lies, and statistics.

The whole "sanctity of marriage" thing never made any sense to me anyway.

If I get married in a court house in front of a judge, is my marriage more or less sacred than a big church wedding? What about a synagogue? A mosque? How about if I'm drunkenly married by an Elvis impersonator at 3 am in Vegas?

Because somehow I don't think the churchy types who oppose gay marriage would consider all those situations to be equally "sacred" in God's eyes. And yet from a legal perspective, they are all the same.

There seems to be a severe muddling of terms here. "Legal" and "sacred" are not the same thing. I had an aunt who married a Jewish guy. To appease her mother, they had two weddings, a big one with a rabbi and a small church service. It isn't that Grandma was really that bigoted or anything (she had no problem with the guy being Jewish, and attended both services), but she was worried that unless a priest was involved at some point, it wouldn't "count" to god. Sure, the first wedding was "legal", but she wouldn't consider it "sacred".

So why the hell can't gay marriage be legal to these people? I don't think anyone is marching priests to the altar at gunpoint to perform these services. If they want to believe it's not "real" they can, but leave the law out of it. If it is somehow spoiling all the "real" marriages, then logically so do any non-church weddings.

Of course, here I'm applying logic to the same sort of people who get bent out of shape about other people using birth control, so I shouldn't be surprised it doesn't make a lick of sense.

I have never seen anything meaningful about marriage that wasn't artificial at its core.

Uncle Pim: I got legally married in NYC last year after 13 years with SO, so yea, I'd say the article is probably right.

/Federal taxes are a biatch now.
//Farking DOMA

So very farking THIS to the tax bullshiat!

18 years here, married in Niagara Falls the first day we could with 45 other couples. At the reception they had two cakes, one with two grooms on the top one with two brides. They had the couples who had been together the longest cut the cake. The two women had been together 38 years and the men 29.

Somehow I don't think that divorce is going to be very prevalent among in the first ones to wed. We all waited too darn long to be finally married to give up on it that quickly.


/I know, I know tl;dr
//and css

Mavent: scarmig: Dear Anybody,

If you are basing the sanctity of marriage on Hollywood debris, you are missing the point.

I think the only person "missing the point" is YOU.



What, that the sanctity of marriage is entirely up to the people getting married and no one else? Thanks for setting me straight.

"Kardashian" in headline = Autogreenlight.

Try it!

I was thinking it was rich douches who's claim to existence was sucking black cock on a home movie.

PlatypusPuke: This headline drove home quite eloquently what I never could put so well...it's ok for straight people to wreck the sanctity (hehe, "tity..", ahem, anyway) of marriage with what, a near 50% divorce rate?

But, no, it's them queers that're the ones that are clearly ruining it...utterly psychotic.

It NEVER made sense to me...at all. And I don't even care.

And to top it off, you would think gay marriage people and fundamental Christians would be natural allies, what with that whole abortion thing. Just...so bizarre.

/whatever...not enough coffee

Fundamentalist Christianity is only about obedience. It doesn't have to make sense.

Ha. "Sanctity"

Your "wife" can cheat on you, have "your child" (actually another man's,) and you get saddled with child support payments, despite this fact being proven in court. Where's the "sanctity" in that? Fact is: marriage is an artificial institution, created to give the system that much more control over your lives, whether that system be the church or the government. Legalized long-term prostitution, and when you finally get the opportunity to pay the self-serving coont to go the fark away, she gets to take the majority of what you've worked to earn, despite her not upholding her end of the "marital contract".

"Sanctity", my hairy ass. Let the gays get married. It's not like is has any real significance anymore anyway.

This study fails to identify straight men who might have faked gay marriage in order to receive health benefits, and later have to appear in an AIDS benefit calendar to get out of criminal charges.

HAMMERTOE Ha. "Sanctity"

Your "wife" can cheat on you, have "your child" (actually another man's,) and you get saddled with child support payments, despite this fact being proven in court. Where's the "sanctity" in that? Fact is: marriage is an artificial institution, created to give the system that much more control over your lives, whether that system be the church or the government. Legalized long-term prostitution, and when you finally get the opportunity to pay the self-serving coont to go the fark away, she gets to take the majority of what you've worked to earn, despite her not upholding her end of the "marital contract".

"Sanctity", my hairy ass. Let the gays get married. It's not like is has any real significance anymore anyway.

Actually i think this is a result of the fading influence of the church. I mean think back to the days when hotels would not let an unmarried couple rent 1 room. 3 generations ago, people were more involved in church life, and more influenced by the pressure. So the idea of "Holy Matrimony" was the way people thought about it.
Now that more people question religion and are less involved in church, the church has less control over our lives. We can divorce! And stay in a hotel with who ever we want!

/A little over simplified, I know, but this isn't my personal blog page where I can ramble for 5,000 words and expect anyone to read it.