A looper, ya know, a caddy, a looper, a jock...

And a lesson to all you blogs: Don't embed YouTube videos unless you know they're going to stay up.

That is all.

Don't fark with the eyebrows. They won't ever look the same.

So I guess the old BW has to try to convince the young BW not to kill him?

Cause probably the young BW is like "Yeah, you're me, I've heard that one a hundred times before, eat hot lead asshole!"

Lsherm: Which is fascinating, because if nothing else the Old Willis remembers this happening apparently, which means he knows whether he succeeded when it happened, etc.

Isn't it obvious that it doesn't succeed, seeing as though there exists an Old Willis who is able to go back...?

Time travel will be invented, but it will be illegal and only available on the black market. When the mob wants to get rid of someone, they send their target 30 years into the past

They have time travel, but it's illegal, and the mob uses it to get rid of people by sending them into the past to be killed.

Who the hell writes this crap?

Yeah, but does the old lady on the plane stop the guy with the virus or what???

t3knomanser: I'm just looking forward to this because Brick was awesome. Rian Johnson is the shiat.

And yes, Brick is one of my favorite movies. The Brothers Bloom was ok. I hope he doesn't get successively worse.

According to IMDB he got to direct an episode of Breaking Bad. That's awesome.

Flint Ironstag: Time travel will be invented, but it will be illegal and only available on the black market. When the mob wants to get rid of someone, they send their target 30 years into the past, where a "looper"-a hired gun, like Joe (Joseph Gordon-Levitt)-is waiting to mop up. Joe is getting rich and life is good. . . until the day the mob decides to "close the loop," sending back Joe's future self (Bruce Willis) for assassination.

So the mob, instead of just shooting a guy, go to all the trouble of sending him back in time? In what bizarro world does that even begin to make sense? If the hitman misses him you now have a guy who hates you and knows the future running around who can screw up your past. That's even worse than the James Bond baddie always locking him up in an easily escapable room, after telling him his plan, and assuming he won't escape.

I am pretty sure they aren't going to tell him "Hey we are sending you back to get killed by yourself, have a nice trip!"

fergalicious: Time travel will be invented, but it will be illegal and only available on the black market. When the mob wants to get rid of someone, they send their target 30 years into the past

They have time travel, but it's illegal, and the mob uses it to get rid of people by sending them into the past to be killed.

Who the hell writes this crap?

i dunno, the idea of it makes sense. you kill someone in the present, you have a body to dispose of that has the potential to be discovered, or the disposal effort might be uncovered if it's something like cremation(which takes a special oven).

you send them into the past, they simply disappear. i think the stats NOW are something like 30-40,000 missing persons per YEAR, most of them are never found. if they just vanish without a trace they're a simple statistic, no evidence to cover up.

okay, so now you sent them into the past. a lot of the folks you're going to off might be less than 30 years old, in which case they're 100% john does if they're found. no DNA match, no fingerprint match, no ID match, nothing. total mystery, written off.

if they're older than 30 odds are they're kids. still very unlikely to be a DNA match as most kids/teens don't have DNA registered. they're highly unlikely to be a fingerprint match, and even if they are, so what? there's no way that the corpse can possibly be the kid, so they're going to discount it and ignore it/cover it up and call it a john doe ANYWAYS.

so long as your hitman is pretty pro about not leaving forensic evidence(which isn't that hard), you're golden.

t3knomanser: I'm just looking forward to this because Brick was awesome. Rian Johnson is the shiat.

This is one of the movies I go crazy to see. I know blockbusters are there just waiting to be seen by millions, but this might not have mass appeal. I take it as my duty to see it to award people for doing dark, thought provoking sci fi with action. and brick was damn good.

Flint Ironstag: Time travel will be invented, but it will be illegal and only available on the black market. When the mob wants to get rid of someone, they send their target 30 years into the past, where a "looper"-a hired gun, like Joe (Joseph Gordon-Levitt)-is waiting to mop up. Joe is getting rich and life is good. . . until the day the mob decides to "close the loop," sending back Joe's future self (Bruce Willis) for assassination.

So the mob, instead of just shooting a guy, go to all the trouble of sending him back in time? In what bizarro world does that even begin to make sense? If the hitman misses him you now have a guy who hates you and knows the future running around who can screw up your past. That's even worse than the James Bond baddie always locking him up in an easily escapable room, after telling him his plan, and assuming he won't escape.

Even worse.

How are they closing the loop by sending the old version of Bruce to be killed by the young one?

The young guy is still alive and knows everything. If they wanted to "tie a loose end" that's terrible way of doing it.

Also, what's the importance of "closing the loop"? Sending the guy to be killed by himself? Why not another killer?

Old Bruce Willis plays role with mysterious limp. Turns out he shot himself then kept himself in hiding and goes after the mob bosses after he goes back in time. 

Or. He convinces younger self to go after the mob after shooting young self in leg. Plan involves tricking. Two mob bosses into thinking hit man is actually the target under an assumed name, say dick fisher, and eventually trapping rival mob bosses in a room before executing them. One of which is Morgan freeman. 

Either way, Lucy Liu wears skirts the whole time until Arnold Schwarzenegger comes and kills them all. While jcvd does splits.

Lsherm: Embden.Meyerhof: Lsherm: Which is fascinating, because if nothing else the Old Willis remembers this happening apparently, which means he knows whether he succeeded when it happened, etc.

Isn't it obvious that it doesn't succeed, seeing as though there exists an Old Willis who is able to go back...?

Well, he could still succeed without a paradox because Willis exists on the timeline at the same point twice, as a young man and as an old man. So the old one ceases to exist if he's killed in the past, but the young one continues existing into the future, right up until the point he's sent back and killed. The young Willis will just keep bumping along the timeline oblivious to what he did until the point he realizes (when he's older) that he killed himself when he was younger.

If it was the other way around - the old Willis has to kill the young Willis - then there would be a problem, since he'd effectively be erasing his own future. Since the young one is killing the old one, he's only stopping the timeline in the future.

"If I find out the creators of Primer were involved in this well, then, I'd just die a happy man wouldn't I," I sez to myself.

Lsherm: rocky_howard: Even worse.

How are they closing the loop by sending the old version of Bruce to be killed by the young one?

The young guy is still alive and knows everything. If they wanted to "tie a loose end" that's terrible way of doing it.

Well, it's certainly needlessly complicated. It would make more sense the other way around - old kills young, but then the whole timeline gets altered and it may not come out good for all involved parties.

I'm sure they'll come up with some bullshiat reason to require it.

What happens if young Bruce realizes that he killed himself - now you have an enemy that knows a lot about you, and has 30 years to make you pay.

Stupid premise when you think about it.

You can't travel through time. It's a stupid premise. Time isn't a tangible entity like a road, so I hate it when writers always throw this in. I can see him traveling to another universe, identical to this one, that is slightly ahead or slightly behind (the) time we presently occupy at this point in space, where he finds another "himself" but the idea you can change the past or the future is ludicrous. -It doesn't even take into account that the earth is never "exactly" in the same reference point in space at the same time each year. The earth moves around the sun, so how the hell would you end up standing in the exact same spot "traveling" through time. He could end up 250 miles up and 1000 miles across from the point where he left-?

Yeah, I know. Lighten up Francis, but it's sloppy writing to use the Star Trek time travel b.s. to move the plot forward.

buttery_shame_cave: i dunno, the idea of it makes sense. you kill someone in the present, you have a body to dispose of that has the potential to be discovered, or the disposal effort might be uncovered if it's something like cremation(which takes a special oven).

you send them into the past, they simply disappear. i think the stats NOW are something like 30-40,000 missing persons per YEAR, most of them are never found. if they just vanish without a trace they're a simple statistic, no evidence to cover up.

I don't know the ins and outs but I am guessing that time travel is a lot more difficult than a fire, and a grave.

mattharvest: give me doughnuts: Sounds like an entertaining retelling of the Grandfather Paradox.

Except reversed: they don't send Old Bruce Willis to kill himself, they send Old Bruce Willis to Young Bruce Willis to be killed, i.e. they have the young self kill the old self.

Which is fascinating, because if nothing else the Old Willis remembers this happening apparently, which means he knows whether he succeeded when it happened, etc.

I vaguely remember a sci-fi story where a young man is summoned somewhere, told to kill an old man who will be stepping off a starship, then steal the starship.

Turns out the starship is somehow programmed to "stop entropy" (See Asimov's "The Last Question") and the young man spends his entire life reversing entropy. In doing this, he's transported back in time. He lands, steps off the starship, and is killed by his younger self.

Loop ad infinitum.

fergalicious: Time travel will be invented, but it will be illegal and only available on the black market. When the mob wants to get rid of someone, they send their target 30 years into the past

They have time travel, but it's illegal, and the mob uses it to get rid of people by sending them into the past to be killed.

Who the hell writes this crap?

Flint Ironstag: So the mob, instead of just shooting a guy, go to all the trouble of sending him back in time? In what bizarro world does that even begin to make sense? If the hitman misses him you now have a guy who hates you and knows the future running around who can screw up your past. That's even worse than the James Bond baddie always locking him up in an easily escapable room, after telling him his plan, and assuming he won't escape.

It's the same problem with that unbelievably stupid and idiotic "Primer". You don't send back people, you dolts. You send back information.

Of course, regardless of the idiotic premise, I'll be seeing it because Joseph Gordon-Levitt and Bruce Willis. And I like seeing crap get blown up.

Mawson of the Antarctic: Lsherm: Embden.Meyerhof: Lsherm: Which is fascinating, because if nothing else the Old Willis remembers this happening apparently, which means he knows whether he succeeded when it happened, etc.

Isn't it obvious that it doesn't succeed, seeing as though there exists an Old Willis who is able to go back...?

Well, he could still succeed without a paradox because Willis exists on the timeline at the same point twice, as a young man and as an old man. So the old one ceases to exist if he's killed in the past, but the young one continues existing into the future, right up until the point he's sent back and killed. The young Willis will just keep bumping along the timeline oblivious to what he did until the point he realizes (when he's older) that he killed himself when he was younger.

If it was the other way around - the old Willis has to kill the young Willis - then there would be a problem, since he'd effectively be erasing his own future. Since the young one is killing the old one, he's only stopping the timeline in the future.

"If I find out the creators of Primer were involved in this well, then, I'd just die a happy man wouldn't I," I sez to myself.

The writer/director of Primer was on the set, and I'm fairly sure he looked over the script (or at least Johnson ran the plot by him). Rian Johnson is 2 for 2 on movies (Brick and Brothers Bloom) and 2 for 2 in TV (directed an episode for both Breaking Bad and Terriers), so I'm fairly excited about this. He's also a hilarious guest on the /Film cast.

Lsherm: Embden.Meyerhof: Lsherm: Which is fascinating, because if nothing else the Old Willis remembers this happening apparently, which means he knows whether he succeeded when it happened, etc.

Isn't it obvious that it doesn't succeed, seeing as though there exists an Old Willis who is able to go back...?

Well, he could still succeed without a paradox because Willis exists on the timeline at the same point twice, as a young man and as an old man. So the old one ceases to exist if he's killed in the past, but the young one continues existing into the future, right up until the point he's sent back and killed. The young Willis will just keep bumping along the timeline oblivious to what he did until the point he realizes (when he's older) that he killed himself when he was younger.

If it was the other way around - the old Willis has to kill the young Willis - then there would be a problem, since he'd effectively be erasing his own future. Since the young one is killing the old one, he's only stopping the timeline in the future.

He's not erasing his future... the old one already experienced the future once. He's simply eliminating the chance for the younger self to experience it. So the older guy would just stay in the past after killing his younger self, and perhaps bet on the Giants or something.

liam76: buttery_shame_cave: i dunno, the idea of it makes sense. you kill someone in the present, you have a body to dispose of that has the potential to be discovered, or the disposal effort might be uncovered if it's something like cremation(which takes a special oven).

you send them into the past, they simply disappear. i think the stats NOW are something like 30-40,000 missing persons per YEAR, most of them are never found. if they just vanish without a trace they're a simple statistic, no evidence to cover up.

I don't know the ins and outs but I am guessing that time travel is a lot more difficult than a fire, and a grave.

evidence, my good man. evidence. a human body is really difficult to fully dispose of outside of a kiln.

and who knows, maybe the time travel is really easy, like launching them out of a trebuchet at some kinda funky magnetic field.

easy time travel would explain why it's illegal. if it's difficult nobody will do it. but if you can build the apparatus in a decently equipped workshop...

Take that causality!

I remember sighing with relief when Willis reached the point in his career, where they just didn't even try with the hair-pieces anymore... I didn't have to be embarassed on his behalf.

I hope there is more to the story, else they could have just sent Bruce Willis back into the age of the Dinosaurs to die faster than Terra Nova.

I read the script for this a few weeks ago. It's really, really good. (Helps that I loved Brick, I think.) If they stick closely to the original script, nearly all of your time-travel questions are answered in a mostly-satisfying way.

Very, very much looking forward to this film.

That's odd.

t3knomanser: I'm just looking forward to this because Brick was awesome. Rian Johnson is the shiat.

THIS. I love his films (all two of them), but even in interviews or on film podcasts (on one particularly dull podcast he kept playing the banjo over the voices of the hosts to make a point) he is a cool mofo. I hope this film finally breaks him into the mainstream (while allowing him to keep his indie edge).

t3knomanser: I'm just looking forward to this because Brick was awesome. Rian Johnson is the shiat.

He did Brick? I will be the first in line the day this opens.

cspariah: I read the script for this a few weeks ago. It's really, really good. (Helps that I loved Brick, I think.) If they stick closely to the original script, nearly all of your time-travel questions are answered in a mostly-satisfying way.

Very, very much looking forward to this film.

And where would one find this script?

Doogled: And where would one find this script?

A friend of mine is a talent manager, reps several actors, some writers. He sent it to me after we were talking about our mutual love of both Brick and, more generally, Joseph Gordon-Levitt.

I don't still have it unfortunately. Googling "Looper script PDF" brought up a lot of garbage but some of the links may actually work if you're willing to spend the time sifting.

I'd let him gord on my levitt, if you know what I mean.

Did Zooey Deschanel tell him it was okay to do this movie?

So, if JGL played Cobra Commander and Bruce Willis is going to play the original G.I. Joe and now JGL is going to play Bruce Willis, JGL will have been both Cobra and G.I. Joe? Dude, pick a side.