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2012-04-09 11:55:42 PM  
I never thought I'd see GTA in reality, then I remember...
i13.photobucket.com
 
2012-04-10 09:04:42 AM  
What a weird place to greenlight this video from.
 
2012-04-10 09:04:47 AM  
Hey teabaggers, you gave gave billions of "MAH TAX DOLLERS" for this.
 
2012-04-10 09:05:05 AM  
American exceptionalism. How does it work?
 
2012-04-10 09:05:56 AM  
I'm not much of a fan of the GTA games.. I really don't want to see it done in real life.
 
2012-04-10 09:08:47 AM  
Hearts and minds, people. Hearts and minds.
 
2012-04-10 09:10:39 AM  
There's also the accounts of DynCorp employees in Bosnia in the 90's, buying slave girls for themselves from the Serbian mafia. And lawyers said that neither Bosnian law nor US law applied to the contractors, so they couldn't be criminally prosecuted for keeping sex slaves, some as young as 12.
 
2012-04-10 09:11:05 AM  
"Saddam trahd ta kill mah daddy"

-- George W Bush
 
2012-04-10 09:11:06 AM  
Mercenaries do whatever the hell they want with little oversight, because they know they're getting paid anyway?

/I'm shocked, shocked I tell you
 
2012-04-10 09:12:55 AM  
Couldn't our schoolchildren replace these expensive, private employees, learn valuable skills, and develop a work ethic and a sense of patriotism?

And the Iraqis could be brought over here to pick tomatoes.

Win-win.
 
2012-04-10 09:13:46 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Hey teabaggers, you gave gave billions of "MAH TAX DOLLERS" for this.


qft
 
2012-04-10 09:14:56 AM  
But but Solyndra and furthermore FOUR DOLLAR SHRIMP and even furthermore,
 
2012-04-10 09:17:01 AM  
Thanks Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld, the world needed another Beirut.
 
2012-04-10 09:18:11 AM  
Direct link to video of Blackwater convoy striking an Iraqi woman and driving on. The lead Humvee almost seems to swerve to hit her as she walks at the side of the road. At least the guy shooting the video seems shocked, he repeats "oh my god", but his vehicle does not stop to help her.
 
2012-04-10 09:20:23 AM  
Erik Prince of the company formerly known as Blackwater would have advanced far in the Waffen SS had he been born a few decades earlier.

He's got the stuff that Himmler was looking for.
 
2012-04-10 09:21:18 AM  
One of the reasons we celebrate Washington's crossing of the Released is because he was going to defeat the mercenaries. It was bad enough fighting the Army and Navy, but then the insult was that King George sent his backup German squad who didn't represent the country they were fighting for.
And the only time mercenaries feature in games I've played is when you're mowing them down by the hundreds in Uncharted.
 
2012-04-10 09:23:22 AM  
Literally driving around the middle of a city farking shooting at civilian vehicles. These thumb-dicked shiat egrets should be in prison for the rest of their lives.
 
2012-04-10 09:24:03 AM  

J. Frank Parnell: What a weird place to greenlight this video from.


My work PC doesn't like the site. Anyone got a summation of the article?

If it's about using private mercenaries to fight wars I'll remind people that the old Roman?Empire had a similar idea... right before they ended.
 
2012-04-10 09:24:47 AM  
No idear where that spare question mark came from.

/Soz!
 
2012-04-10 09:25:02 AM  

quatchi: J. Frank Parnell: What a weird place to greenlight this video from.

My work PC doesn't like the site. Anyone got a summation of the article?

If it's about using private mercenaries to fight wars I'll remind people that the old Roman?Empire had a similar idea... right before they ended.


(cut and paste the text part)

Mercenary outfit Blackwater has been accused of some pretty terrible things during its time operating as a "security contractor" in Iraq. Something captured in these shocking videos.

Part of a great feature over on Harper's (registration required), they show what happens when angry men are overpaid and set loose on a country that, while everyone else was there at least trying to help, was to them just an opportunity to operate outside the law.

Motherboard's Derek Mead likens the spectacle to a game of Grand Theft Auto, something that's hard to argue with. The shooting, the smashing of other cars and, in one disgusting sequence, the hit-and-run of an innocent civilian, it's all stuff that litters the experience of an open-world game, and which sickeningly appears just as enjoyable to these meatheads as it does to your average gamer.

If you were wondering just why a video game based on the exploits of Blackwater was such a controversial subject, well, now you know why.

Warning: some of the content is quite graphic.
 
2012-04-10 09:25:05 AM  
'...The president described praying as he walked outside the Oval Office after giving the order to begin combat operations against Iraq, and the powerful role his religious beliefs played throughout that time.

"Going into this period, I was praying for strength to do the Lord's will. . .'


Link
 
2012-04-10 09:25:57 AM  

Jackson Herring: Literally driving around the middle of a city farking shooting at civilian vehicles. These thumb-dicked shiat egrets should be in prison for the rest of their lives.


I'm really looking forward to the first time one of them is prosecuted under Iraqi law and sent to prison for life.

That will be a good day.
 
2012-04-10 09:25:58 AM  

quatchi: J. Frank Parnell: What a weird place to greenlight this video from.

My work PC doesn't like the site. Anyone got a summation of the article?

If it's about using private mercenaries to fight wars I'll remind people that the old Roman?Empire had a similar idea... right before they ended.


True, getting buddy-buddy with the Visigoths didn't work out too well for them in the end.
 
2012-04-10 09:31:41 AM  
I did two years in Afghanistan (2005-2007) and just over a year in Iraq (2010-2011) and I found Blackwater and Dyncorp employees to be odd ducks.

In Kabul- Dyncorp shooters were some scary individuals that were always in trouble and made the women on our compound afraid. Some sexually harassed some of the women and there were more than a few complaints about inappropriate behavior and at least two reports of date rape/rape. Then Dyncorp lost the contract and Blackwater got it. Couldn't have been more opposite. Blackwater employees were professionals who planned missions and treated everyone I know with respect.

In Baghdad- replace Dyncorp with Blackwater (the new version) and Blackwater with Dyncorp. In the new blackwater compounds they frequently found steroids and banned supplements and alchohol were there shouldn't be alchohol. There was even a shooting where one guy put a gun in his mouth and dared his partner to pull the trigger...he did. he was charged and plead guilty to manslaughter or something like that (can't find a link right now).

Actually...I think all the blackwater guys moved over to Triple Canopy. The iraqis were trying at one point to have the USG kick out all former Blackwater employees. That was most of the TC guys at the Embassy compound.
 
2012-04-10 09:32:36 AM  
I remember in like 2005 on fark there was a video like this that came out of a bunch of Irish mercenaries in Iraq doing basically the same thing. The comments in the thread were quite a bit different, there was a lot of splainin that the people in the cars they were shooting at could be threats and the video was taken out of context. Now nobody tries to play apologist...
 
2012-04-10 09:40:54 AM  

Headso: Now nobody tries to play apologist...


what? that would be close to maybe defending obama.

can't have that.
 
2012-04-10 09:41:40 AM  

Headso: I remember in like 2005 on fark there was a video like this that came out of a bunch of Irish mercenaries in Iraq doing basically the same thing. The comments in the thread were quite a bit different, there was a lot of splainin that the people in the cars they were shooting at could be threats and the video was taken out of context. Now nobody tries to play apologist...


2005 was still the period where most ppl believe the US was over there for some good reason and not just farking up the entire country, so anything in relation to the subject had to be defended at least a little. Now, different story.
 
2012-04-10 09:42:06 AM  

Jake Havechek: Erik Prince of the company formerly known as Blackwater would have advanced far in the Waffen SS had he been born a few decades earlier.

He's got the stuff that Himmler was looking for.


I would love to have someone ask Santorum about potentially prosecuting Prince and his thugs. They're cut from the same religious zealoty cloth.
 
2012-04-10 09:44:05 AM  

Alphax: (cut and paste the text part)


TYVM, okay, got the GTA reference now.

Privatizing the military is wrong and indefensible.

Mercs will always go too far in a lawless environment, they have nowhere else left to go.

Both parties nowadays seem to be committed to using the farking bastards, unfortunately.
 
2012-04-10 09:44:53 AM  
 
2012-04-10 09:46:35 AM  

quatchi: Alphax: (cut and paste the text part)

TYVM, okay, got the GTA reference now.

Privatizing the military is wrong and indefensible.

Mercs will always go too far in a lawless environment, they have nowhere else left to go.

Both parties nowadays seem to be committed to using the farking bastards, unfortunately.


I recommend Rachel Maddow's new book 'Drift' on this topic. Not very long, but some of the stuff about the Reagan years especially pissed me off, made it hard to keep reading.
 
2012-04-10 09:50:32 AM  

quatchi: Privatizing the military is wrong and indefensible.


Not really. I'd like to see a lot more privatization of the military. Privatizing the combat forces on the other hand...
 
2012-04-10 09:54:32 AM  

sprawl15: quatchi: Privatizing the military is wrong and indefensible.

Not really. I'd like to see a lot more privatization of the military. Privatizing the combat forces on the other hand...


I think we've had too many soldiers electrocuted by their showers already. Among other problems.
 
2012-04-10 10:02:25 AM  

Alphax: I recommend Rachel Maddow's new book 'Drift' on this topic. Not very long, but some of the stuff about the Reagan years especially pissed me off, made it hard to keep reading.


Been meaning to pick it up for some time. Think I'll go today and pick up a copy. TY fer the recommend.
 
2012-04-10 10:05:22 AM  

sprawl15: quatchi: Privatizing the military is wrong and indefensible.

Not really. I'd like to see a lot more privatization of the military. Privatizing the combat forces on the other hand...


Then you are stupid.

Self sufficiency can mean life and death to a force. The day we started privatizing their logistics is the day we weakened them. The day we ok'd war profiteering mercenaries to operate above any law is the day we shed any moral high ground.

This is war for the sake of war. Nothing else. There is no mission and the only good to come of it is what good men strive for while they are there...desperate to make some good happen in a hell we created.

We have become the people our grandparents fought a war to stop.

I understand if you don't agree. The frogs never jump out of the pot if you heat the water slow enough.

Land of the free complicit, home of the brave willfully ignorant.
 
2012-04-10 10:06:14 AM  

Alphax: There's also the accounts of DynCorp employees in Bosnia in the 90's, buying slave girls for themselves from the Serbian mafia. And lawyers said that neither Bosnian law nor US law applied to the contractors, so they couldn't be criminally prosecuted for keeping sex slaves, some as young as 12.


That would also seem to imply that another contractor could have shot the slaveowners in the head without getting into legal trouble. That's a situation that should have corrected itself.
 
2012-04-10 10:07:46 AM  
I demand 0bama be held as a war criminal for allowing this to happen on his watch.
 
2012-04-10 10:08:28 AM  

Karac: Alphax: There's also the accounts of DynCorp employees in Bosnia in the 90's, buying slave girls for themselves from the Serbian mafia. And lawyers said that neither Bosnian law nor US law applied to the contractors, so they couldn't be criminally prosecuted for keeping sex slaves, some as young as 12.

That would also seem to imply that another contractor could have shot the slaveowners in the head without getting into legal trouble. That's a situation that should have corrected itself.


Reading about it, sounds like most of them partook of them.
 
2012-04-10 10:08:44 AM  

MurphyMurphy: Self sufficiency can mean life and death to a force.


Clearly, we need to put people through basic so they can operate the day care center.

MurphyMurphy: The day we ok'd war profiteering mercenaries to operate above any law is the day we shed any moral high ground.


Grandpa, you're babbling again.
 
2012-04-10 10:08:45 AM  

Jake Havechek: Erik Prince of the company formerly known as Blackwater would have advanced far in the Waffen SS had he been born a few decades earlier.

He's got the stuff that Himmler was looking for.


I'm a little distubed that Mr. Prince managed to pass the rigorous psych-evals that are supposed to go with becoming a Navy SEAL. That whole "amoral religious zealot" thing should have caused a few red flags i would think
 
2012-04-10 10:09:45 AM  

sprawl15: MurphyMurphy: Self sufficiency can mean life and death to a force.

Clearly, we need to put people through basic so they can operate the day care center.

MurphyMurphy: The day we ok'd war profiteering mercenaries to operate above any law is the day we shed any moral high ground.

Grandpa, you're babbling again.


Troll much?
 
2012-04-10 10:10:39 AM  

Alphax: sprawl15: quatchi: Privatizing the military is wrong and indefensible.

Not really. I'd like to see a lot more privatization of the military. Privatizing the combat forces on the other hand...

I think we've had too many soldiers electrocuted by their showers already. Among other problems.


And it seems to me these private companies are charging taxpayers a helluva lot more than we would charge ourselves for the service. There's a fine line between military contractor and war profiteer.
 
2012-04-10 10:11:36 AM  
what the FARK is going on in this country that we allowed such indefensible behavior??
 
2012-04-10 10:13:10 AM  

Alphax: Troll much?


"We should use civilians for some non-combat roles in the military."
"WELL YOU ARE JUST PUTTING GUNS IN THE HANDS OF WAR PROFITEERING MERCENARIES"
"lolwut"
"AH HAH YOU ARE TROLLING"

Fantastic.
 
2012-04-10 10:13:53 AM  

No Such Agency: Direct link to video of Blackwater convoy striking an Iraqi woman and driving on. The lead Humvee almost seems to swerve to hit her as she walks at the side of the road


They hate us for our freedom.
 
2012-04-10 10:14:04 AM  

sprawl15: Alphax: Troll much?

"We should use civilians for some non-combat roles in the military."
"WELL YOU ARE JUST PUTTING GUNS IN THE HANDS OF WAR PROFITEERING MERCENARIES"
"lolwut"
"AH HAH YOU ARE TROLLING"

Fantastic.


/facepalm
 
2012-04-10 10:18:30 AM  

Karac: Alphax: There's also the accounts of DynCorp employees in Bosnia in the 90's, buying slave girls for themselves from the Serbian mafia. And lawyers said that neither Bosnian law nor US law applied to the contractors, so they couldn't be criminally prosecuted for keeping sex slaves, some as young as 12.

That would also seem to imply that another contractor could have shot the slaveowners in the head without getting into legal trouble. That's a situation that should have corrected itself.


When you look into WHO exactly some of these PMCs hire, you'd likely be pretty disturbed at who they consider employable. One company more or less pulled a "Hammer's Slammers" and hired an entire apartheid-era South African commando unit (and relocated their wives and families to a neutral country) whose job it had been to de-stabilize the ANC and the leadership of nearby African countries. When the unit became persona non grata and many were facing criminal charges under the Mandela government, the PMC swooped in and spirited them all out of the country, dependants and all.

So now these guys have basically no country, no loyalty to anyone but thier company, and as their track record proves, no scruples whatsoever.
 
2012-04-10 10:24:04 AM  

Knight of the Woeful Countenance: what the FARK is going on in this country that we allowed such indefensible behavior??


Uh, xenophobic conservatism? Imperialism? American exceptionalism? Where have you been since 9/11? You see, when a small group of men belonging to no nation kills 3,000 people, it give America the right to do whatever the fark we want to any nation we choose.
This is what happens when the "might makes right" mentality of the Right overtakes the "diplomacy first" mentality of the Left. Because that's good foreign policy.
 
2012-04-10 10:25:38 AM  

Knight of the Woeful Countenance: what the FARK is going on in this country that we allowed such indefensible behavior??


They're Americans; the people they're hurting are foreigners. For too many Americans nowadays, that's all they need to know.

/American exceptionalism indeed.
 
2012-04-10 10:25:41 AM  

sprawl15: quatchi: Privatizing the military is wrong and indefensible.

Not really. I'd like to see a lot more privatization of the military. Privatizing the combat forces on the other hand...


What exactly was Blackwater contracted to do in Iraq if not serve as a combat force? Were they there as cooks? Engine repair, perhaps? Maybe as medics or nurses? I know - perhaps they were hired as telephone cleaners or maybe they were there simply to amuse.
 
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