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2012-04-09 11:43:29 PM  
farkin pwned
 
2012-04-09 11:50:28 PM  
Why would anyone need more than 7? 23 years does seem a little excessive.

But the one year Romney released is very...underwhelming.
 
2012-04-09 11:50:58 PM  

cman: farkin pwned


Obama's released 12 years. How many has Romney released again?

I'll save you some time: one.
 
2012-04-09 11:51:43 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: cman: farkin pwned

Obama's released 12 years. How many has Romney released again?

I'll save you some time: one.


"You should release 23 years of tax returns but we wont do the same"

Double standards, eh?
 
2012-04-09 11:53:03 PM  

cman: cameroncrazy1984: cman: farkin pwned

Obama's released 12 years. How many has Romney released again?

I'll save you some time: one.

"You should release 23 years of tax returns but we wont do the same"

Double standards, eh?


FTFA:

""This is the standard that Romney set when he was talking to McCain about the [vice presidency]" he said"

Whose standards are double, again?
 
2012-04-09 11:55:04 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: cman: cameroncrazy1984: cman: farkin pwned

Obama's released 12 years. How many has Romney released again?

I'll save you some time: one.

"You should release 23 years of tax returns but we wont do the same"

Double standards, eh?

FTFA:

""This is the standard that Romney set when he was talking to McCain about the [vice presidency]" he said"

Whose standards are double, again?


If you are gonna ask someone to release certain files and not do so yourself then you are setting the double standard.
 
2012-04-09 11:56:28 PM  

cman: cameroncrazy1984: cman: cameroncrazy1984: cman: farkin pwned

Obama's released 12 years. How many has Romney released again?

I'll save you some time: one.

"You should release 23 years of tax returns but we wont do the same"

Double standards, eh?

FTFA:

""This is the standard that Romney set when he was talking to McCain about the [vice presidency]" he said"

Whose standards are double, again?

If you are gonna ask someone to release certain files and not do so yourself then you are setting the double standard.


Not at all.

Obama hasn't given anyone 23 years of tax returns. He has given the public 12 years.

Romney has seen fit to give McCain 23 years of returns. But he's only released one to the public.

McCain gets to see 23 years, but we only get to see 1.

That's the double standard.
 
2012-04-09 11:58:01 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: cman: cameroncrazy1984: cman: cameroncrazy1984: cman: farkin pwned

Obama's released 12 years. How many has Romney released again?

I'll save you some time: one.

"You should release 23 years of tax returns but we wont do the same"

Double standards, eh?

FTFA:

""This is the standard that Romney set when he was talking to McCain about the [vice presidency]" he said"

Whose standards are double, again?

If you are gonna ask someone to release certain files and not do so yourself then you are setting the double standard.

Not at all.

Obama hasn't given anyone 23 years of tax returns. He has given the public 12 years.

Romney has seen fit to give McCain 23 years of returns. But he's only released one to the public.

McCain gets to see 23 years, but we only get to see 1.

That's the double standard.


Whatever, dude

Lets just agree to disagree. We will be running in circles all night if we didnt.
 
2012-04-09 11:58:39 PM  

cman: cameroncrazy1984: cman: cameroncrazy1984: cman: cameroncrazy1984: cman: farkin pwned

Obama's released 12 years. How many has Romney released again?

I'll save you some time: one.

"You should release 23 years of tax returns but we wont do the same"

Double standards, eh?

FTFA:

""This is the standard that Romney set when he was talking to McCain about the [vice presidency]" he said"

Whose standards are double, again?

If you are gonna ask someone to release certain files and not do so yourself then you are setting the double standard.

Not at all.

Obama hasn't given anyone 23 years of tax returns. He has given the public 12 years.

Romney has seen fit to give McCain 23 years of returns. But he's only released one to the public.

McCain gets to see 23 years, but we only get to see 1.

That's the double standard.

Whatever, dude

Lets just agree to disagree. We will be running in circles all night if we didnt.


We can agree that I'm right and you're giving up.
 
2012-04-10 12:01:41 AM  
Romney is 65. Obama is 50. McCain is 75.
Romney has released tax returns from age 63 to present. Obama has released gas returns from age 38 to present. McCain was asked to release tax returns from age 52 to present.

What is Mitt Romney hiding?
 
2012-04-10 12:02:07 AM  
Keep going. We'll consider this discussion a replacement for the one we'd like to see between Romney and Obama.
 
2012-04-10 12:02:56 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: cman: cameroncrazy1984: cman: cameroncrazy1984: cman: cameroncrazy1984: cman: farkin pwned

Obama's released 12 years. How many has Romney released again?

I'll save you some time: one.

"You should release 23 years of tax returns but we wont do the same"

Double standards, eh?

FTFA:

""This is the standard that Romney set when he was talking to McCain about the [vice presidency]" he said"

Whose standards are double, again?

If you are gonna ask someone to release certain files and not do so yourself then you are setting the double standard.

Not at all.

Obama hasn't given anyone 23 years of tax returns. He has given the public 12 years.

Romney has seen fit to give McCain 23 years of returns. But he's only released one to the public.

McCain gets to see 23 years, but we only get to see 1.

That's the double standard.

Whatever, dude

Lets just agree to disagree. We will be running in circles all night if we didnt.

We can agree that I'm right and you're giving up.


Always gotta have the last word, eh?

And no, I am not "submitting", I am just recognizing that this discussion is no longer fruitful as we will cover the same point over and over again.
 
2012-04-10 12:03:02 AM  

foo monkey: Obama has released gas returns


Phew.
 
2012-04-10 12:06:00 AM  

cman: And no, I am not "submitting", I am just recognizing that this discussion is no longer fruitful as we will cover the same point over and over again.


I find it very interesting that you are defending the guy who has released one tax return over the guy who has released twelve.
 
2012-04-10 12:10:26 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: cman: And no, I am not "submitting", I am just recognizing that this discussion is no longer fruitful as we will cover the same point over and over again.

I find it very interesting that you are defending the guy who has released one tax return over the guy who has released twelve.


How am I defending him?
 
2012-04-10 12:14:09 AM  
I guess if you think about it, you can see both as double standards.
 
2012-04-10 12:14:50 AM  

WelldeadLink: foo monkey: Obama has released gas returns

Phew.


farking autocorrect.

And WTF with vetting McCain? The guy ran for President in 2008. He has no secrets. fark screening him. He gets a wave through to the VIP suite.
 
2012-04-10 12:21:09 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: cman: And no, I am not "submitting", I am just recognizing that this discussion is no longer fruitful as we will cover the same point over and over again.

I find it very interesting that you are defending the guy who has released one tax return over the guy who has released twelve.


And im trying to figure out why it is anyones business what either of them made in the last X years.
 
2012-04-10 12:22:47 AM  
Wait a minute. The McCain campaign got 23 years of tax documents from Romney, and then they picked Palin?
 
2012-04-10 12:25:01 AM  

cman: Lets just agree to disagree. We will be running in circles all night if we didnt.


You are clearly missing the purpose of the Fark's comment threads ;)
 
2012-04-10 12:26:53 AM  

cman: cameroncrazy1984: cman: farkin pwned

Obama's released 12 years. How many has Romney released again?

I'll save you some time: one.

"You should release 23 years of tax returns but we wont do the same"

Double standards, eh?


OK, then howabout just 12? That's fair, right?
 
2012-04-10 12:30:34 AM  
You only have to keep your tax returns for 7 years, right? I'm not sure asking someone to release stuff they might not even have is a worthwhile battle to fight. Especially given the crazy shiat that people want Obama to release.
 
2012-04-10 12:30:36 AM  

Gyrfalcon: cman: cameroncrazy1984: cman: farkin pwned

Obama's released 12 years. How many has Romney released again?

I'll save you some time: one.

"You should release 23 years of tax returns but we wont do the same"

Double standards, eh?

OK, then howabout just 12? That's fair, right?


I don't see the need for any candidate in releasing tax returns but seems fair play to be willing to release the same you demand of your opponent
 
2012-04-10 12:32:04 AM  
I'm interested in BO's undergrad college records, which still haven't been released.

You know, goose/gander. If GW was such a dum-dum, why is BO afraid of the grades he earned as a youngster?

/I know he did well in law school, and that's just peachy. Just pointing out the hypocrisy.
 
2012-04-10 12:35:17 AM  

LockeOak: Wait a minute. The McCain campaign got 23 years of tax documents from Romney, and then they picked Palin?


LOL.

No matter how you dice it, McCain can ever wash the smell of tacos from his hands.
 
2012-04-10 12:36:00 AM  
How dumb. 23 years of Mitt Romney's taxation filings are going to be the most boring shiat in the world. Unless he's been banging North Korean hookers with Iranian cocaine and writing those off as business expenses, I really don't give a rat's ass about the last 23 years of his tax records. We know he's Rich Asshole already and not Confederate Goldbug, Adulterous Doughboy or Dominionist Theocrat.
 
2012-04-10 12:37:29 AM  
I am waiting for someone to demand Romney's birth certificate.

www.myqwip.com

Obama's not doing to bad here -- click on the image to vote.
 
2012-04-10 12:38:16 AM  
Rmoney is rich

We get it.

Can we move on now?
 
2012-04-10 12:38:22 AM  

quoinguy: I'm interested in BO's undergrad college records, which still haven't been released.


No you're not. You don't really care how well he did in Prof. Fartwell's 'Torts' class. And don't say you are, because we'll all know you're lying.
 
2012-04-10 12:38:56 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: cman: farkin pwned

Obama's released 12 years. How many has Romney released again?

I'll save you some time: one.


How many is he required to release?
I'll save you some time: zero.
 
2012-04-10 12:41:23 AM  
tenpoundsofcheese:

Good lord do I have to agree with this guy?

He's loaded, don't care.
 
2012-04-10 12:42:32 AM  

LockeOak: Wait a minute. The McCain campaign got 23 years of tax documents from Romney, and then they picked Palin?


I wonder if Palin also submitted 23 years of tax information? And how much of it was in crayon?
 
2012-04-10 12:43:38 AM  

cameroncrazy1984:
Obama hasn't given anyone 23 years of tax returns. He has given the public 12 years.

Romney has seen fit to give McCain 23 years of returns. But he's only released one to the public.

McCain gets to see 23 years, but we only get to see 1.

That's the double standard.


Standard for what exactly.
Apples and oranges.
Remind me, was Romney a candidate for office when he let McCain see his records?

Are you saying that everything that 0bama discloses to his backers should be publicly released?
 
2012-04-10 12:44:56 AM  

otisrelaxed: tenpoundsofcheese:

Good lord do I have to agree with this guy?

He's loaded, don't care.


sorry.

here, I will help you disagree with me.

If Romney releases his college transcripts to the public, is 0bama required to release his?
 
2012-04-10 12:47:58 AM  

quoinguy: I'm interested in BO's undergrad college records, which still haven't been released.

You know, goose/gander. If GW was such a dum-dum, why is BO afraid of the grades he earned as a youngster?

/I know he did well in law school, and that's just peachy. Just pointing out the hypocrisy.


Here's the problem Obama has if he releases his college transcripts: his political opponents are so seethingly dishonest, vile, ruthless and libelous that it doesn't matter what's on his college transcripts.

The man was a constitutional scholar, he got his J.D. magna cum laude and was the president of the Harvard Law Review. You can pull things like the president of a newsletter with political clout or daddy money, but the one thing you won't see the educational elite ever doing is handing over an mcl if he didn't farking earn it. So we have two options: A) his grades were stellar and he had a successful college experience, but the transcripts stay private and Fox News calls him the biggest failure of a President, a Communist, a Muslim, that he has a shrine to Osama Bin Laden in his closet, that he's going to take your guns, etc.. Option B) His grades were stellar and he had a successful college experience BUT OH MY GOD HE READ MARX THIS IS ALL THE CONFIRMATION WE NEED AND HOLY shiat HE WROTE A PAPER ABOUT HOW HE THINKS HIS HERITAGE IS IMPORTANT WE WERE TOTALLY RIGHT ABOUT HIM BEING A MUSLIM TOO AND JESUS CHRIST ON A POGO STICK HE ACTUALLY SHARED A CLASS WITH A BLACK PANTHER ROMNEY IS AUTOMATICALLY PRESIDENT AND GOD ALL WRAPPED UP INTO ONE FOREVER AND WE EXECUTE FARTBAMA POST HASTE!!!!

Yeah, I'd keep my transcripts private too. The Magna Cum Laude is all you need to know.
 
2012-04-10 12:48:15 AM  

cman: If you are gonna ask someone to release certain files and not do so yourself then you are setting the double standard.


I'd like Obama to release his memos specifying how he decides how an American citizen qualifies to be targeted for assassination, but if I were to release any similar memos I may or may not have written, I'd probably get in more trouble than he would.
 
2012-04-10 12:49:06 AM  

violentsalvation: I guess if you think about it, you can see both as double standards.


I'm going with that.
 
2012-04-10 12:50:01 AM  

foo monkey: What is Mitt Romney hiding?


I'm guessing "hundreds of millions in off-shore tax havens"
 
hej
2012-04-10 12:54:48 AM  
I don't see how Obama could give 23 years of tax returns, considering he was on welfare until his late 30's.
 
2012-04-10 12:55:00 AM  
I think everything he wrote in college would be more interesting than his tax returns.
 
2012-04-10 12:55:22 AM  

Ambivalence: Why would anyone need more than 7? 23 years does seem a little excessive.


The whole point about the 23 years is that Romney showed 23 years to McCain and when McCain saw them he said "Uh oh...we'd better play it safe and go for, say, Sarah Palin."
 
2012-04-10 12:55:29 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: LockeOak: Wait a minute. The McCain campaign got 23 years of tax documents from Romney, and then they picked Palin?

I wonder if Palin also submitted 23 years of tax information? And how much of it was in crayon?


The half she finished, yes.
 
2012-04-10 01:00:33 AM  

randomjsa: I think everything he wrote in college would be more interesting than his tax returns.


No you don't you lying sack of shiat.
 
2012-04-10 01:03:02 AM  

cman: cameroncrazy1984: cman: cameroncrazy1984: cman: cameroncrazy1984: cman: cameroncrazy1984: cman: farkin pwned

Obama's released 12 years. How many has Romney released again?

I'll save you some time: one.

"You should release 23 years of tax returns but we wont do the same"

Double standards, eh?

FTFA:

""This is the standard that Romney set when he was talking to McCain about the [vice presidency]" he said"

Whose standards are double, again?

If you are gonna ask someone to release certain files and not do so yourself then you are setting the double standard.

Not at all.

Obama hasn't given anyone 23 years of tax returns. He has given the public 12 years.

Romney has seen fit to give McCain 23 years of returns. But he's only released one to the public.

McCain gets to see 23 years, but we only get to see 1.

That's the double standard.

Whatever, dude

Lets just agree to disagree. We will be running in circles all night if we didnt.

We can agree that I'm right and you're giving up.

Always gotta have the last word, eh?

And no, I am not "submitting", I am just recognizing that this discussion is no longer fruitful as we will cover the same point over and over again.


I came here for an argument.
 
2012-04-10 01:03:31 AM  

Hollie Maea: Ambivalence: Why would anyone need more than 7? 23 years does seem a little excessive.

The whole point about the 23 years is that Romney showed 23 years to McCain and when McCain saw them he said "Uh oh...we'd better play it safe and go for, say, Sarah Palin."


maybe there was something in Romney's tax returns. LOL!
 
2012-04-10 01:04:31 AM  
Obama's asking for 23. Romney's provided 1.

Given how much we know Obama loves to negotiate with Republicans to a middle ground, he's actually asking for 12.
 
2012-04-10 01:04:59 AM  

LockeOak: Wait a minute. The McCain campaign got 23 years of tax documents from Romney, and then they picked Palin?


Some of them picked Palin. Many of them came out as soon as the election was over and made it clear they'd actively fought against choosing her. Even McCain really wanted to pick Lieberman, and was talked out of it.

They not only shot themselves in the foot, they did it with both barrels.
 
2012-04-10 01:05:15 AM  

Elmo Jones: The half she finished, yes.


I wish people would stop harping on the woman and saying she leaves things half unfinished. This is blatantly untrue. She had 18 months left in her 4 year term, which means she leaves things 3/8s unfinished.
 
2012-04-10 01:10:50 AM  

CygnusDarius: I came here for an argument.


i.ytimg.com
 
2012-04-10 01:10:53 AM  

iq_in_binary: quoinguy: I'm interested in BO's undergrad college records, which still haven't been released.

You know, goose/gander. If GW was such a dum-dum, why is BO afraid of the grades he earned as a youngster?

/I know he did well in law school, and that's just peachy. Just pointing out the hypocrisy.

Here's the problem Obama has if he releases his college transcripts: his political opponents are so seethingly dishonest, vile, ruthless and libelous that it doesn't matter what's on his college transcripts.

The man was a constitutional scholar,

who doesn't know about Marbury v. Madison.

he got his J.D. magna cum laude and was the president of the Harvard Law Review.

You can pull things like the president of a newsletter with political clout or daddy money, but the one thing you won't see the educational elite ever doing is handing over an mcl if he didn't farking earn it.

How does someone who didn't graduate summa, get to be President of HLR?

So we have two options: A) his grades were stellar and he had a successful college experience, but the transcripts stay private

because he would need to explain how someone with his Columbia grades got into Harvard.

ROMNEY IS AUTOMATICALLY PRESIDENT AND GOD ALL WRAPPED UP INTO ONE FOREVER AND WE EXECUTE FARTBAMA POST HASTE!!!!

You are a sick fark and have been reported.

.

 
2012-04-10 01:11:58 AM  

Elmo Jones: Satanic_Hamster: LockeOak: Wait a minute. The McCain campaign got 23 years of tax documents from Romney, and then they picked Palin?

I wonder if Palin also submitted 23 years of tax information? And how much of it was in crayon?

The half she finished, yes.


/slowclap
 
2012-04-10 01:12:02 AM  

quoinguy: I'm interested in BO's undergrad college records, which still haven't been released.

You know, goose/gander. If GW was such a dum-dum, why is BO afraid of the grades he earned as a youngster?

/I know he did well in law school, and that's just peachy. Just pointing out the hypocrisy.


He got into Harvard Law School. He would have had to have excellent grades as an undergrad. Clearly you have no idea how hard it is to get into.
 
2012-04-10 01:15:23 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: cman: And no, I am not "submitting", I am just recognizing that this discussion is no longer fruitful as we will cover the same point over and over again.

I find it very interesting that you are defending the guy who has released one tax return over the guy who has released twelve.


If Obama wants to see 23, he should show 23. If he is cool with 12, he should only ask for 12.

Double standard = not being willing to reach the bar you set.
 
2012-04-10 01:17:34 AM  

quoinguy: /I know he did well in law school, and that's just peachy. Just pointing out the hypocrisy.


No, you're comparing apples to oranges. Obama isn't asking Romney to release his Harvard transcript; he's asking him to release his tax records, something every presidential candidate does. You may not have the long-term memory to remember this, but it took a concerted effort to get Romney to release the single year of returns he's put out there.
 
2012-04-10 01:17:56 AM  

s2s2s2: cameroncrazy1984: cman: And no, I am not "submitting", I am just recognizing that this discussion is no longer fruitful as we will cover the same point over and over again.

I find it very interesting that you are defending the guy who has released one tax return over the guy who has released twelve.

If Obama wants to see 23, he should show 23. If he is cool with 12, he should only ask for 12.

Double standard = not being willing to reach the bar you set.


It's not Obama's bar. It's Romney's own bar. He's simply questioning why McCain got 23 while the American people got 1.
 
2012-04-10 01:19:37 AM  

s2s2s2: If Obama wants to see 23, he should show 23. If he is cool with 12, he should only ask for 12.


I doubt Obama has filed a tax return 23 times, and anything before he finished law school in the early 90s would be pretty boring. He's just not that old, and he wasn't rich until recently.
 
2012-04-10 01:19:45 AM  
It was definitely a subpar political maneuver on the part of Team Obama. They should have anticipated being asked to submit an equal amount of returns and looking dumb if they weren't willing to do that. If they have that strong a suspicion there's something damning in the returns, get all your ducks in a row and apply pressure the right way. But at the end of the day they've got plenty of ammo to destroy Romney with already. Yawn.
 
2012-04-10 01:21:18 AM  

cman: cameroncrazy1984: cman: farkin pwned

Obama's released 12 years. How many has Romney released again?

I'll save you some time: one.

"You should release 23 years of tax returns but we wont do the same"

Double standards, eh?


Well, Romney is 20 years older than Obama.

/Romney hates America because he refuses to invest his money in this country.
 
2012-04-10 01:24:48 AM  

Neeek: quoinguy: I'm interested in BO's undergrad college records, which still haven't been released.

You know, goose/gander. If GW was such a dum-dum, why is BO afraid of the grades he earned as a youngster?

/I know he did well in law school, and that's just peachy. Just pointing out the hypocrisy.

He got into Harvard Law School. He would have had to have excellent grades as an undergrad. Clearly you have no idea how hard it is to get into.


oh really? did you know that he didn't graduate with honors from columbia? do you know how low the bar is for honors?
 
2012-04-10 01:24:59 AM  

quoinguy: I'm interested in BO's undergrad college records, which still haven't been released.

You know, goose/gander. If GW was such a dum-dum, why is BO afraid of the grades he earned as a youngster?

/I know he did well in law school, and that's just peachy. Just pointing out the hypocrisy.


What other prez candidate has released their undergrad transcripts? It seems that only the black guy has to "prove" he's smart.
 
2012-04-10 01:25:05 AM  
Jesus, this site sucks.

You suck, Drew Curtis.

Because your Admins and your Moderators suck.

Do please f*ck off all of you, at your earliest opportunity.

Kindest and most insincere regards,
Yours etc.
 
2012-04-10 01:26:43 AM  

otisrelaxed: tenpoundsofcheese:

Good lord do I have to agree with this guy?

He's loaded, don't care.


maybe he cheats more on his taxes than all of Obama's cabinet
 
2012-04-10 01:26:45 AM  

BuckTurgidson: Jesus, this site sucks.

You suck, Drew Curtis.

Because your Admins and your Moderators suck.

Do please f*ck off all of you, at your earliest opportunity.

Kindest and most insincere regards,
Yours etc.


U Mad?
 
2012-04-10 01:27:27 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: s2s2s2: cameroncrazy1984: cman: And no, I am not "submitting", I am just recognizing that this discussion is no longer fruitful as we will cover the same point over and over again.

I find it very interesting that you are defending the guy who has released one tax return over the guy who has released twelve.

If Obama wants to see 23, he should show 23. If he is cool with 12, he should only ask for 12.

Double standard = not being willing to reach the bar you set.

It's not Obama's bar. It's Romney's own bar. He's simply questioning why McCain got 23 while the American people got 1.


McCain would be privy to more information than the American public.
 
2012-04-10 01:27:36 AM  

Bucky Katt: quoinguy: I'm interested in BO's undergrad college records, which still haven't been released.

You know, goose/gander. If GW was such a dum-dum, why is BO afraid of the grades he earned as a youngster?

/I know he did well in law school, and that's just peachy. Just pointing out the hypocrisy.

What other prez candidate has released their undergrad transcripts? It seems that only the black guy has to "prove" he's smart.


McCain did. McCain is not a black guy.
He showed he was in the bottom 1%.

Bush and Kerry had theirs leaked. (Bush's grades were slightly better)
 
2012-04-10 01:31:21 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Neeek: quoinguy: I'm interested in BO's undergrad college records, which still haven't been released.

You know, goose/gander. If GW was such a dum-dum, why is BO afraid of the grades he earned as a youngster?

/I know he did well in law school, and that's just peachy. Just pointing out the hypocrisy.

He got into Harvard Law School. He would have had to have excellent grades as an undergrad. Clearly you have no idea how hard it is to get into.

oh really? did you know that he didn't graduate with honors from columbia? do you know how low the bar is for honors?


3.6 GPA, full year enrollment in the honors program and a 60-75 page thesis to apply. Why do you ask?
 
2012-04-10 01:36:03 AM  

redmid17: cameroncrazy1984: s2s2s2: cameroncrazy1984: cman: And no, I am not "submitting", I am just recognizing that this discussion is no longer fruitful as we will cover the same point over and over again.

I find it very interesting that you are defending the guy who has released one tax return over the guy who has released twelve.

If Obama wants to see 23, he should show 23. If he is cool with 12, he should only ask for 12.

Double standard = not being willing to reach the bar you set.

It's not Obama's bar. It's Romney's own bar. He's simply questioning why McCain got 23 while the American people got 1.

McCain would be privy to more information than the American public.


It's not like McCain would remember it long. :P
 
2012-04-10 01:40:20 AM  

Neeek: tenpoundsofcheese: Neeek: quoinguy: I'm interested in BO's undergrad college records, which still haven't been released.

You know, goose/gander. If GW was such a dum-dum, why is BO afraid of the grades he earned as a youngster?

/I know he did well in law school, and that's just peachy. Just pointing out the hypocrisy.

He got into Harvard Law School. He would have had to have excellent grades as an undergrad. Clearly you have no idea how hard it is to get into.

oh really? did you know that he didn't graduate with honors from columbia? do you know how low the bar is for honors?

3.6 GPA, full year enrollment in the honors program and a 60-75 page thesis to apply. Why do you ask?


you missed being in the top 25% of the class.
which 0bama wasn't.
 
2012-04-10 01:42:55 AM  
Obama should ask Romney to release his birth certificate.
 
2012-04-10 01:43:33 AM  

AntiNerd: I am waiting for someone to demand Romney's birth certificate.

[www.myqwip.com image 300x400]

Obama's not doing to bad here -- click on the image to vote.


Dammit! Knew I should have searched the thread first.
 
2012-04-10 01:45:31 AM  

Neeek: tenpoundsofcheese: Neeek: quoinguy: I'm interested in BO's undergrad college records, which still haven't been released.

You know, goose/gander. If GW was such a dum-dum, why is BO afraid of the grades he earned as a youngster?

/I know he did well in law school, and that's just peachy. Just pointing out the hypocrisy.

He got into Harvard Law School. He would have had to have excellent grades as an undergrad. Clearly you have no idea how hard it is to get into.

oh really? did you know that he didn't graduate with honors from columbia? do you know how low the bar is for honors?

3.6 GPA, full year enrollment in the honors program and a 60-75 page thesis to apply. Why do you ask?

 
2012-04-10 01:48:42 AM  
Being Obama was borrowing gas money to go to the DNC until 8 years ago, his taxes from 12 years ago would be pretty farking boring, if you ask me.
 
2012-04-10 01:48:44 AM  

iq_in_binary: Yeah, I'd keep my transcripts private too. The Magna Cum Laude is all you need to know.


Don't need to know that either. After you've got your degree your grades don't mean shiat, after you get your graduate degree/professional degree your undergrad doesn't mean shiat, and after you've had a job a few years your degree doesn't mean shiat.

The dude was a professional community organizer, a college professor, and then a Senator, that's all that's really relevant for his run for office the first time. Conveniently, now that doesn't matter either, because it's been superseded by far by his actual performance as president for four years.

//Only barely know where he even
 
2012-04-10 01:50:11 AM  
images3.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2012-04-10 01:50:14 AM  

Neeek: quoinguy: I'm interested in BO's undergrad college records, which still haven't been released.

You know, goose/gander. If GW was such a dum-dum, why is BO afraid of the grades he earned as a youngster?

/I know he did well in law school, and that's just peachy. Just pointing out the hypocrisy.

He got into Harvard Law School. He would have had to have excellent grades as an undergrad. Clearly you have no idea how hard it is to get into.


"Affirmative Action" is the answer they're looking for.
 
2012-04-10 01:52:45 AM  

cman: BuckTurgidson: Jesus, this site sucks.

You suck, Drew Curtis.

Because your Admins and your Moderators suck.

Do please f*ck off all of you, at your earliest opportunity.

Kindest and most insincere regards,
Yours etc.

U Mad?



He mad.
 
2012-04-10 01:54:38 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Bucky Katt: quoinguy: I'm interested in BO's undergrad college records, which still haven't been released.

You know, goose/gander. If GW was such a dum-dum, why is BO afraid of the grades he earned as a youngster?

/I know he did well in law school, and that's just peachy. Just pointing out the hypocrisy.

What other prez candidate has released their undergrad transcripts? It seems that only the black guy has to "prove" he's smart.

McCain did. McCain is not a black guy.
He showed he was in the bottom 1%.

Bush and Kerry had theirs leaked. (Bush's grades were slightly better)




Bucky Katt just got owned. I couldn't have set a more obvious trap, and one fell in.

Didn't expect the knee-jerk cry of racism, though. I don't see in colors--just varying shades of hypocrisy. It's accepted practice to release all college records, with the exception of BO.

And for all of his real and perceived faults, let's not forget the "dummy" GW scored higher grades than Kerry, and was smart enough to become a fighter pilot.

At least during this election cycle the tired old game plan of claiming every Republican is the class idiot won't hold. BO, being an apparently horrible Constitutional lecturer, can't ever pull his head out of kiester long enough to realize one of the Supreme Court's main functions is to knock down Congressional and Legislative overreach.
 
2012-04-10 01:54:49 AM  
i2.kym-cdn.com
 
2012-04-10 01:56:10 AM  
cameroncrazy1984: Link (new window)

The sum of all posts. Give it a few.
 
2012-04-10 01:57:00 AM  
All this might be off topic here, but I really don't care how well Obama's grades as an undergraduate were. I care about how well he has governed. In my opinion, fairly well. He has supported some things I vehemently disagree with, has not carried through various promises I would have like to see him do. His domestic policy leaves me tepid at best. His foreign policy I very much like.

Here is the thing. Tepid domestic policy is a darn-sight better than anything his challengers are backing. He has my vote. If he does not have yours, you aren't paying attention or like tenpoundsofderp, are a troll or un-amurkin. Or backing RON PAUL. Which I get. Don't agree with really, but I get it.

/Liked Buddy Roemer.
 
2012-04-10 02:04:18 AM  
 
2012-04-10 02:04:39 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: iq_in_binary: quoinguy: I'm interested in BO's undergrad college records, which still haven't been released.

You know, goose/gander. If GW was such a dum-dum, why is BO afraid of the grades he earned as a youngster?

/I know he did well in law school, and that's just peachy. Just pointing out the hypocrisy.

Here's the problem Obama has if he releases his college transcripts: his political opponents are so seethingly dishonest, vile, ruthless and libelous that it doesn't matter what's on his college transcripts.

The man was a constitutional scholar,

who doesn't know about Marbury v. Madison.

he got his J.D. magna cum laude and was the president of the Harvard Law Review.

You can pull things like the president of a newsletter with political clout or daddy money, but the one thing you won't see the educational elite ever doing is handing over an mcl if he didn't farking earn it.

How does someone who didn't graduate summa, get to be President of HLR?

So we have two options: A) his grades were stellar and he had a successful college experience, but the transcripts stay private

because he would need to explain how someone with his Columbia grades got into Harvard.

ROMNEY IS AUTOMATICALLY PRESIDENT AND GOD ALL WRAPPED UP INTO ONE FOREVER AND WE EXECUTE FARTBAMA POST HASTE!!!!

You are a sick fark and have been reported.

.


1) Citation needed.
2) Know how I know you never went to college and actually succeeded?
3) Oh the Irony
 
2012-04-10 02:06:58 AM  

otisrelaxed: Here is the thing. Tepid domestic policy is a darn-sight better than anything his challengers are backing.


True. Republican domestic policy doesn't look that different from Viking foreign policy.. rape and pillage, take all the money home.
 
2012-04-10 02:08:42 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Neeek: tenpoundsofcheese: Neeek: quoinguy: I'm interested in BO's undergrad college records, which still haven't been released.

You know, goose/gander. If GW was such a dum-dum, why is BO afraid of the grades he earned as a youngster?

/I know he did well in law school, and that's just peachy. Just pointing out the hypocrisy.

He got into Harvard Law School. He would have had to have excellent grades as an undergrad. Clearly you have no idea how hard it is to get into.

oh really? did you know that he didn't graduate with honors from columbia? do you know how low the bar is for honors?

3.6 GPA, full year enrollment in the honors program and a 60-75 page thesis to apply. Why do you ask?


Hey, DUMBASS! 3.6 GPA is pretty much Summa Cum Laude!

Explain that away dipshiat.
 
2012-04-10 02:09:28 AM  
Alphax

Don't forget the women. Take all the womens home.
 
2012-04-10 02:13:20 AM  

Alphax: otisrelaxed: Here is the thing. Tepid domestic policy is a darn-sight better than anything his challengers are backing.

True. Republican domestic policy doesn't look that different from Viking foreign policy.. rape and pillage, take all the money home.


One key difference. The Vikings usually raped women. That sweater vest don't fit on Frothy McClosetcase.
 
2012-04-10 02:15:44 AM  
To put it one way, Romney won't release his tax returns for the entire Obama presidency

to put it another way,

LockeOak: Wait a minute. The McCain campaign got 23 years of tax documents from Romney, and then they picked Palin?

 
2012-04-10 02:18:05 AM  
Team Obama: "We want Romney to release 23 years of his tax returns."
Romney: "Sorry, I only keep them for 7 years, per IRS guidelines."
Team Obama: "But...but...but you gave McCain 23!"
Romney: "Yeah, then I shredded them after I realized how stupid it was to keep all that paper around. If it's an audit you're after, call your buddy Tim and get it started. Make sure he's up on his obligations first."
Team Obama: *crickets*
 
2012-04-10 02:19:14 AM  

stoli n coke: Alphax: otisrelaxed: Here is the thing. Tepid domestic policy is a darn-sight better than anything his challengers are backing.

True. Republican domestic policy doesn't look that different from Viking foreign policy.. rape and pillage, take all the money home.

One key difference. The Vikings usually raped women. That sweater vest don't fit on Frothy McClosetcase.


Well, you never know, Santorum is so deep in the closet he could find a wardrobe in Narnia and come out the other side Conan the Barbarian running a one man train on all our momma's.
 
2012-04-10 02:19:31 AM  
Which one had a private sector career playing screw ball tricks with money?
 
2012-04-10 02:20:17 AM  

quoinguy: At least during this election cycle the tired old game plan of claiming every Republican is the class idiot won't hold. BO, being an apparently horrible Constitutional lecturer, can't ever pull his head out of kiester long enough to realize one of the Supreme Court's main functions is to knock down Congressional and Legislative overreach.


Moron or Troll? Only his mother knows for sure.
 
2012-04-10 02:22:14 AM  

stoli n coke: Alphax: otisrelaxed: Here is the thing. Tepid domestic policy is a darn-sight better than anything his challengers are backing.

True. Republican domestic policy doesn't look that different from Viking foreign policy.. rape and pillage, take all the money home.

One key difference. The Vikings usually raped women. That sweater vest don't fit on Frothy McClosetcase.


In the first Sword of Truth book, there was an enemy general who only liked to rape little boys.. so he left the women to his troops.
 
2012-04-10 02:31:38 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: you missed being in the top 25% of the class.
which 0bama wasn't.


encrypted-tbn1.google.com

"It don't matter 'bout my grades baby, I'm still more successful than you, you honkey biatch."
 
2012-04-10 02:34:26 AM  
And who really cares how much money either one of them have and how much they had 10years ago? I get it, Rmoney lives better than me and has all his life. My dad never made more than 20K during his working years. Obama has no idea how I have lived either. Probably the only two presidents that have druing my lifetime was possibly Clinton and Nixon.
 
2012-04-10 02:41:44 AM  

Neeek: quoinguy: I'm interested in BO's undergrad college records, which still haven't been released.

You know, goose/gander. If GW was such a dum-dum, why is BO afraid of the grades he earned as a youngster?

/I know he did well in law school, and that's just peachy. Just pointing out the hypocrisy.

He got into Harvard Law School. He would have had to have excellent grades as an undergrad. Clearly you have no idea how hard it is to get into.


I dunno, his predecessor got into the Harvard MBA program with a C average. It can't be that difficult.

/hey, how come righties never bring that up as an example?
 
2012-04-10 02:59:28 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Neeek: tenpoundsofcheese: Neeek: quoinguy: I'm interested in BO's undergrad college records, which still haven't been released.

You know, goose/gander. If GW was such a dum-dum, why is BO afraid of the grades he earned as a youngster?

/I know he did well in law school, and that's just peachy. Just pointing out the hypocrisy.

He got into Harvard Law School. He would have had to have excellent grades as an undergrad. Clearly you have no idea how hard it is to get into.

oh really? did you know that he didn't graduate with honors from columbia? do you know how low the bar is for honors?

3.6 GPA, full year enrollment in the honors program and a 60-75 page thesis to apply. Why do you ask?

you missed being in the top 25% of the class.
which 0bama wasn't.


In order to graduate from Harvard with Magna Cum Laude, you need to have at least an 85% GPA (3.5 GPA) or Honors in a discipline.

That GPA requirement is weighted by the class of the year. He was thus by pure logic in the top 25% of his class.

MATH IS HARD, WHAR MY BIBLE?
 
2012-04-10 03:19:00 AM  
I just want Romney's tax returns to expose potential profiteering practicing Voodoo Economics

investing in long-term yields for yourself and your country is a wise, patriotic, and noble thing. short-term assraping at the expense of people's livelihoods is a different bag of potato chips. more different than dill pickle even. I like salt and vinegar chips because they make me feel fresh.
 
2012-04-10 03:27:46 AM  
I'd like to see an itinerary for Romney's time in France when he was hiding from the Vietnam war. That man speaks perfect French.
 
2012-04-10 03:32:06 AM  
Wow some really lazy "gotcha" journalism from TPM here.

That's okay, it goes well with the phone-it-in concern trolling over Obama's grades ITT.
 
2012-04-10 03:50:33 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: cameroncrazy1984:
Obama hasn't given anyone 23 years of tax returns. He has given the public 12 years.

Romney has seen fit to give McCain 23 years of returns. But he's only released one to the public.

McCain gets to see 23 years, but we only get to see 1.

That's the double standard.

Standard for what exactly.
Apples and oranges.
Remind me, was Romney a candidate for office when he let McCain see his records?

Are you saying that everything that 0bama discloses to his backers should be publicly released?


I'd like to see your DNA test, proving you belong to the genus Homo. Or indeed to the phylum Vertebrata.
 
2012-04-10 04:04:31 AM  
Why does Obama have to release anything? He's the incumbent, so he gets judged on his performance in office. Asking to see his college transcripts is just desperate fishing by those who have got nothing.
 
2012-04-10 04:41:29 AM  
if Obama is calling for his rival in the Presidential race to release 23 years of tax returns, he should be willing to do the same.

anything else is hypocrisy.

sorry Obamites, your savior is wrong on an issue.
 
2012-04-10 04:45:21 AM  

dumbobruni: if Obama is calling for his rival in the Presidential race to release 23 years of tax returns, he should be willing to do the same.

anything else is hypocrisy.

sorry Obamites, your savior is wrong on an issue.


If you'd just left off that last line, you'd look like a sane person.
 
2012-04-10 04:47:03 AM  

dumbobruni: if Obama is calling for his rival in the Presidential race to release 23 years of tax returns, he should be willing to do the same.

anything else is hypocrisy.

sorry Obamites, your savior is wrong on an issue.


You do realize Obama and Romney are different ages, don't you?
 
2012-04-10 04:51:13 AM  
Jim_Callahan

iq_in_binary: Yeah, I'd keep my transcripts private too. The Magna Cum Laude is all you need to know.

Don't need to know that either. After you've got your degree your grades don't mean shiat, after you get your graduate degree/professional degree your undergrad doesn't mean shiat, and after you've had a job a few years your degree doesn't mean shiat.

The dude was a professional community organizer, a college professor, and then a Senator, that's all that's really relevant for his run for office the first time. Conveniently, now that doesn't matter either, because it's been superseded by far by his actual performance as president for four years.


A professional community organizer? I can't believe you typed that with a straight face. And his actual performance as president????

Let's see, today every fifth man in America is out of a job. Twenty percent of American men are out of work. Black male unemployment is now at the highest rate it has ever been since the US government began collecting statistics on the subject in 1972. Every seventh person you pass on the sidewalk now relies on food stamps. On the last day of President Bush's presidency, gas prices were $1.84 a gallon. Today under Obama, the average price of a gallon of gas costs $3.94. And $4.29 out in California. Easter weekend in Catalina Island, California, drivers saw prices topping $7 a gallon. In 2006 and 2007, 90% of all college graduates found a job. Under Obama, just 56% of college graduates are able to find a job. More than one in four U.S. homeowners are 'under water' or owe more than their homes are worth. President Obama has increased the national debt more in three years than President Bush did in eight. A record 87,897,000 Americans are no longer in the labor force.  When the number of individuals who have stopped looking for a job and/or who are working part-time but desire full-time employment is included -- a figure known as the 'underemployment rate' -- real unemployment stands at 19.1.

Obama's record as president--yeah, he's doing REEAAALLL good, ain't he? Never send a community organizer to do a President's job!
 
2012-04-10 04:59:07 AM  
Romney made a fortune in doing things I'd call shady or immoral. Obama did not. That's why there's a need to see more tax returns from Romney than from Obama.
 
2012-04-10 05:09:38 AM  

tony41454: [arbitrary rant]


(1) You realize that you're flaming vehemently at something I didn't say, right? I made no comment on whether his experience was good or not, simply that his professional history mattered and his educational history did not.

(2) Christ, man, you've got some full-on derangement syndrome there. You should cool it before the crazy lefties from Bush's second term sue you for copyright infringement. Blaming the president for things the president has no direct control over is their schtick.

//If you don't like Obama, that's fine. You don't need to be retarded about it.
 
2012-04-10 05:11:04 AM  

dumbobruni: sorry Obamites, your savior is wrong on an issue.



So, you're saying he has been right on every other issue?

Cool.
 
2012-04-10 05:13:42 AM  
I suspect that looking at President Obama's tax form when he was 25 would result in Republican crowing about how low it is, and therefore how unworthy of office he is.
 
2012-04-10 05:28:45 AM  

The_Six_Fingered_Man: Team Obama: "We want Romney to release 23 years of his tax returns."
Romney: "Sorry, I only keep them for 7 years, per IRS guidelines."
Team Obama: "But...but...but you gave McCain 23!"
Romney: "Yeah, then I shredded them after I realized how stupid it was to keep all that paper around. If it's an audit you're after, call your buddy Tim and get it started. Make sure he's up on his obligations first."
Team Obama: *crickets*


If only Romney had said something like this it would be awesome! . . . But he didn't. Not even close. Where are his 7 years? Or his 12 to match Obama?
 
2012-04-10 05:57:39 AM  

tony41454: Obama has increased the national debt more in three years than President Bush did in eight.


Wow, look at how stupid you are.

This idea that Obama is not gonna get re-elected "Because unemployment or gas prices" is some funny stuff.

Not as funny as the idea that the Republicans might have any decent ideas to improve things but still pretty funny nonetheless.

The only thing the GOP have is a vested interest in preventing America from doing well so they can try to blame it on Obama and have losers like yourself buy into the narrative lock, stock and both smoking barrels.
 
2012-04-10 06:03:26 AM  
Romney is under no obligation to release his tax information. In fact doing so will make no difference as towards the ultimate outcome of either the primary or general election. The only person who can stop Obama from curb-stomping Romney in the general election is Obama. With that said, there is a little reason for Obama's team not to point what a greedy sleazebag Romney is, and noting his 22 years of private tax returns is a good way to do that.
 
2012-04-10 06:09:51 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: cameroncrazy1984: cman: farkin pwned

Obama's released 12 years. How many has Romney released again?

I'll save you some time: one.

How many is he required to release?
I'll save you some time: zero.


Well, until 2008, no presidential candidate was required to release any birth certificate, much less a long form. Paybacks are a biatch.
 
2012-04-10 06:09:58 AM  

quoinguy: Bucky Katt just got owned. I couldn't have set a more obvious trap, and one fell in.


Says the guy who brags about setting traps on message boards.
/rolleyes
 
2012-04-10 06:21:26 AM  

Neeek: I doubt Obama has filed a tax return 23 times


THIS!!!

In the past 16 years I've filed... I think 6 tax returns. Some years I made great reportable fortunes, other's I coasted on savings. Obama didn't have 23 years of noteworthy tax returns by 2008.

Rmoney's tax returns (and a detailed accounting of how he made every dollar) might make the 99%'s ready to burn him at the stake.
 
2012-04-10 06:25:02 AM  
F*cking precedent, how does it work?
 
2012-04-10 06:25:30 AM  
tony41454
A professional community organizer? I can't believe you typed that with a straight face. And his actual performance as president????

Let's see, today every fifth man in America is out of a job. Twenty percent of American men are out of work. Black male unemployment is now at the highest rate it has ever been since the US government began collecting statistics on the subject in 1972. Every seventh person you pass on the sidewalk now relies on food stamps. On the last day of President Bush's presidency, gas prices were $1.84 a gallon. Today under Obama, the average price of a gallon of gas costs $3.94. And $4.29 out in California. Easter weekend in Catalina Island, California, drivers saw prices topping $7 a gallon. In 2006 and 2007, 90% of all college graduates found a job. Under Obama, just 56% of college graduates are able to find a job. More than one in four U.S. homeowners are 'under water' or owe more than their homes are worth. President Obama has increased the national debt more in three years than President Bush did in eight. A record 87,897,000 Americans are no longer in the labor force. When the number of individuals who have stopped looking for a job and/or who are working part-time but desire full-time employment is included -- a figure known as the 'underemployment rate' -- real unemployment stands at 19.1.

Obama's record as president--yeah, he's doing REEAAALLL good, ain't he? Never send a community organizer to do a President's job!


Gosh, I seem to recall this huge crash thingie in 2008, and 3 years of Republicans blocking nearly everything proposed to get us out of the mess.
 
2012-04-10 06:27:15 AM  

Befuddled: Why does Obama have to release anything? He's the incumbent, so he gets judged on his performance in office. Asking to see his college transcripts is just desperate fishing by those who have got nothing.


Trust me, he does not want his performance to be the sole judgement of his success. He doesn't want it even being the major judgement of his success. While he can claim the economy is improving and change the math to ignore large gobs of people unable to find a job, the rest of us down on Main Street are painfully aware what a lie looks and feels like (our wallets are lighter and our relatives can't find work still).

I'm not happy about whoever the GoP puts up against him either, but if Obama thinks the election will be a steamroll victory, I fear he's delusional. Things are still about the same level of bad they've been for awhile and unlike his opposition, we already know how well Obama runs things... Historically when things are bad, people always vote in droves for the devil they don't know, over the devil they know just on the hope that no one can make things worse than they are.

While he's a nice social progressive (or at least, he sounds like one, regardless of not doing much), the little people pitching hay in the fields and working minimum wage jobs don't give a shiat when it comes to that. They're going to look at their wallets and life compared to 4 years ago.
 
2012-04-10 06:27:48 AM  

foo monkey: Romney is 65. Obama is 50. McCain is 75.
Romney has released tax returns from age 63 to present. Obama has released gas returns from age 38 to present. McCain was asked to release tax returns from age 52 to present.

What is Mitt Romney hiding?


This whole thing is just making the Obama camp look stupid. You should go back to the Romney hates women theme and just pretend this one never happened.
 
2012-04-10 06:34:28 AM  
So, given Romney didn't release any more returns at all, why is it on Obama to do anything? I can see if Romney released all 23 years, a random reporter might have something to say, but I'm seeing nothing at all from Romney, so suck it, cons
 
2012-04-10 06:43:47 AM  
Why won't Obama release his transcripts from the Marxist Madrassa he attended from ages 2 to 39? Why can't we see the records of the payments he has received from the governments of Iran, North Korea and Outer Derpistan? Where are the documents regarding second term slave reparations legislation? How did he become a billionaire the day after he was elected to the Senate? Why has he never paid any taxes of any kind?

What does he have to hide???11
 
2012-04-10 06:44:04 AM  

Terrible Old Man: Befuddled: Why does Obama have to release anything? He's the incumbent, so he gets judged on his performance in office. Asking to see his college transcripts is just desperate fishing by those who have got nothing.

Trust me, he does not want his performance to be the sole judgement of his success. He doesn't want it even being the major judgement of his success. While he can claim the economy is improving and change the math to ignore large gobs of people unable to find a job, the rest of us down on Main Street are painfully aware what a lie looks and feels like (our wallets are lighter and our relatives can't find work still).

I'm not happy about whoever the GoP puts up against him either, but if Obama thinks the election will be a steamroll victory, I fear he's delusional. Things are still about the same level of bad they've been for awhile and unlike his opposition, we already know how well Obama runs things... Historically when things are bad, people always vote in droves for the devil they don't know, over the devil they know just on the hope that no one can make things worse than they are.

While he's a nice social progressive (or at least, he sounds like one, regardless of not doing much), the little people pitching hay in the fields and working minimum wage jobs don't give a shiat when it comes to that. They're going to look at their wallets and life compared to 4 years ago.


And those 'gobs' of people will see? Main Street America, while struggling to put food on their family, are indeed keeping more in the bank and holding more sweat equity than they did in 2008.
 
2012-04-10 06:49:26 AM  

Terrible Old Man:
I'm not happy about whoever the GoP puts up against him either, but if Obama thinks the election will be a steamroll victory, I fear he's delusional. Things are still about the same level of bad they've been for awhile and unlike his opposition, we already know how well Obama runs things... Historically when things are bad, people always vote in droves for the devil they don't know, over the devil they know just on the hope that no one can make things worse than they are.


You mean like in 2004? Would that be an example of knowing how well a sitting president runs things?
 
2012-04-10 06:51:10 AM  

Terrible Old Man: I'm not happy about whoever the GoP puts up against him either, but if Obama thinks the election will be a steamroll victory, I fear he's delusional. Things are still about the same level of bad they've been for awhile and unlike his opposition, we already know how well Obama runs things... Historically when things are bad, people always vote in droves for the devil they don't know, over the devil they know just on the hope that no one can make things worse than they are.


Obama already paid the price for the economy in 2010 when tea party Republicans took the house on promises to bring jobs, which instead they spent their time fighting to undo social progress over the last two years while blocking anything from the White House.

Two things you have to keep in mind. One is that the economic picture right now is not the same as the economic picture on election day, things will change between now and then, and that will affect Obama's margin of victory. Secondly, the last time we had a recession of similar proportions was during the 80's under Reagan. When Reagan won re-election in 1984, the latest unemployment numbers (August 1984) showed West Virginia still had the highest in the nation, 13.6%, with Mississippi in second with 11.1%, and Alabama in third with 10.9%. In other words, things had not turned around in large parts of the country, yet Reagan steamrolled his opponent anyway.

I'd say there are too many unknown variables to know how well Obama will do in the general, even though it's almost assured he'll win barring the highly unlikely. However, I do know that the Republicans are doing everything they can to turn people off from voting for them this election. So while I don't expect Romney to be steamrolled that badly this election, it really isn't going to surprise me either if it does happen.
 
2012-04-10 06:56:12 AM  
Obama not releasing his tax returns from his alleged birth is going to cause a whole new controversy of "What is he trying to hide?"
 
2012-04-10 07:01:47 AM  

quoinguy: I'm interested in BO's undergrad college records, which still haven't been released.

You know, goose/gander. If GW was such a dum-dum, why is BO afraid of the grades he earned as a youngster?

/I know he did well in law school, and that's just peachy. Just pointing out the hypocrisy.


The media the the Total Fark Hive-Mind don't need vetting. You're just being racist!
 
2012-04-10 07:07:16 AM  

Nemo's Brother: quoinguy: I'm interested in BO's undergrad college records, which still haven't been released.

You know, goose/gander. If GW was such a dum-dum, why is BO afraid of the grades he earned as a youngster?

/I know he did well in law school, and that's just peachy. Just pointing out the hypocrisy.

The media the the Total Fark Hive-Mind don't need vetting. You're just being racist!


I thought Bush's records were leaked.
 
2012-04-10 07:09:30 AM  
well, since obama will never be able to release his original college transcripts, because colleges just give you a copy, the transcripts will be deemed a fake by the derp squad
 
2012-04-10 07:15:31 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: cman: cameroncrazy1984: cman: cameroncrazy1984: cman: farkin pwned

Obama's released 12 years. How many has Romney released again?

I'll save you some time: one.

"You should release 23 years of tax returns but we wont do the same"

Double standards, eh?

FTFA:

""This is the standard that Romney set when he was talking to McCain about the [vice presidency]" he said"

Whose standards are double, again?

If you are gonna ask someone to release certain files and not do so yourself then you are setting the double standard.

Not at all.

Obama hasn't given anyone 23 years of tax returns. He has given the public 12 years.

Romney has seen fit to give McCain 23 years of returns. But he's only released one to the public.

McCain gets to see 23 years, but we only get to see 1.

That's the double standard.


will you please get off Obamas ball sack? its getting ridiculous.
 
2012-04-10 07:20:30 AM  
What is Romney so afraid of?
 
2012-04-10 07:21:54 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: What is Romney so afraid of?


The Ghost of Christmas Past?
 
2012-04-10 07:33:04 AM  

LockeOak: Wait a minute. The McCain campaign got 23 years of tax documents from Romney, and then they picked Palin?


This says something
 
2012-04-10 07:35:05 AM  
.

Alphax: I suspect that looking at President Obama's tax form when he was 25 would result in Republican crowing about how low it is, and therefore how unworthy of office he is.


They would use it as a reason to hate Obama no matter what the returns said.
 
2012-04-10 07:36:05 AM  

El Pachuco: ....I dunno, his predecessor got into the Harvard MBA program with a C average. It can't be that difficult.

/hey, how come righties never bring that up as an example?


Because they know that their betters don't need to be held to the standards of those people. That "you only got anything because your daddy was rich" thing only offends libs. Republicans long for an hereditary monarchy.
 
2012-04-10 07:36:48 AM  
On releasing his grades:

HotWingConspiracy: What is Romney Obama so afraid of?



It can go both ways.
 
2012-04-10 07:40:54 AM  
Good lord...this thread got it good.

I am continually impressed that the troll using 0bama gets repeated hits every day.
 
2012-04-10 07:42:13 AM  

skullkrusher: Gyrfalcon: cman: cameroncrazy1984: cman: farkin pwned

Obama's released 12 years. How many has Romney released again?

I'll save you some time: one.

"You should release 23 years of tax returns but we wont do the same"

Double standards, eh?

OK, then howabout just 12? That's fair, right?

I don't see the need for any candidate in releasing tax returns but seems fair play to be willing to release the same you demand of your opponent


We really have no Idea what Obama's campaign actually said. Most likely he manager it was along the lines of "Romney gave 23 years of tax returns to McCain, so he clearly has them ready, it would be nice if he let everyone see them." I seriously doubt Obama even has 23 years of returns saved.
 
2012-04-10 07:45:06 AM  

cman: If you are gonna ask someone to release certain files and not do so yourself then you are setting the double standard.


I'm thrilled to hear you finally admit that our friends on the Right hounding the President for a long-form birth certificate was setting a double standard.
 
2012-04-10 07:49:53 AM  

Snowflake Tubbybottom: On releasing his grades: HotWingConspiracy: What is Romney Obama so afraid of?


It can go both ways.


So what's he afraid of?
 
2012-04-10 07:50:50 AM  

quoinguy: I'm interested in BO's undergrad college records, which still haven't been released.

You know, goose/gander. If GW was such a dum-dum, why is BO afraid of the grades he earned as a youngster?

/I know he did well in law school, and that's just peachy. Just pointing out the hypocrisy.


I know it's pretty early, but I'm confident this will be the dumbest farkin thing I read on Tuesday April 10, 2012
 
2012-04-10 07:54:17 AM  
Why would Obama release more tax returns? Does anyone think it will make Romney release more?

Do you think Romney will release 12 years to match Obama? Good luck with that.
 
2012-04-10 07:54:25 AM  
Yeah, for a group that seems to be pretty smart with political maneuvering, someone dropped the ball in Obama's camp on this one.

However, I'm finally glad to see that darn media coming around to calling out a politician on something they said. Who knows, maybe the next time someone says "Obama's gonna take all yer guns" or "Obama's destroying the country" they might actually ask for proof to clarify that statement.

One can believe, right?
 
2012-04-10 07:54:53 AM  

bulldg4life: troll using 0bama


hey that sounds like fun, where do I sign up?
 
2012-04-10 07:56:01 AM  
But of course Romney should be held to a different structure; look how much he haaaaaaas! Perceived power dynamics justify double standards; my sociology professor told me so!
 
2012-04-10 07:56:37 AM  

snowshovel: Yeah, for a group that seems to be pretty smart with political maneuvering, someone dropped the ball in Obama's camp on this one.

However, I'm finally glad to see that darn media coming around to calling out a politician on something they said. Who knows, maybe the next time someone says "Obama's gonna take all yer guns" or "Obama's destroying the country" they might actually ask for proof to clarify that statement.

One can believe, right?


Would be nice. I saw something on Facebook a while back about NPR promising to stop doing 'He said, she said' reporting. But I've seen no sign of that on NPR yet.
 
2012-04-10 07:58:46 AM  
Like it was actually dumber than anything tenpoundsofhorsedick wrote in this thread, so like you've got that going for you.
 
2012-04-10 07:58:50 AM  

randomjsa: I think everything he wrote in college would be more interesting than his tax returns.


I seriously doubt that you would understand the things that Obama drew in crayon when he was two years old, much less anything he wrote when he was studying at Harvard.
 
2012-04-10 07:59:30 AM  

otisrelaxed: Rmoney is rich

We get it.

Can we move on now?


until romney quits trying to act like the common man, not.
 
2012-04-10 08:00:44 AM  
goo.gl
 
2012-04-10 08:06:16 AM  

foo monkey: Obama has released gas returns from age 38 to present.


But what about the bongo returns? Whar Fartbongo return whar!?!?!
 
2012-04-10 08:06:19 AM  

quoinguy: I'm interested in BO's undergrad college records, which still haven't been released.

You know, goose/gander. If GW was such a dum-dum, why is BO afraid of the grades he earned as a youngster?

/I know he did well in law school, and that's just peachy. Just pointing out the hypocrisy.


why stop there? I demand to see his headstart diploma.
 
2012-04-10 08:10:31 AM  

randomjsa: I think everything he wrote in college would be more interesting than his tax returns.


Why?
 
2012-04-10 08:11:08 AM  

Alphax: True. Republican domestic policy doesn't look that different from Viking foreign policy.. rape and pillage, take all the money home.


Well, they farked that up too, then, because their rape and pillage policy has left us a trillion in the hole directly and doomed us to several trillion more in the red in the coming years in interest payments and ongoing costs associated with veteran care. Not to mention the immeasurable toll its taken on the economy by further destabilizing the region.

I guess that solves, however, the lingering question of whether republicans are utterly and completely brain dead or just insanely evil. They're not even smart enough to do basic evil properly.

/ fiscal conservatism: because the future isn't for a long time yet
 
2012-04-10 08:13:30 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Snowflake Tubbybottom: On releasing his grades: HotWingConspiracy: What is Romney Obama so afraid of?

It can go both ways.

So what's he afraid of?


Maybe he's "afraid" that after satisfying this request you morons will keep going until we end up having some aryan newsbunny on FOX in the near future spewing derp about how Obama's 3rd grade finger paintings clearly show his Muslin roots and anti-colonial tendencies and asking "why doesn't he just release them?"

As previously mentioned what the fark do the right expect to find in Obama's earlier tax returns? He didn't get rich until relatively recently and that time's been covered by his returns he's already released so, honestly, why the hell is this even an issue with you?

Romney, on the other hand, has far more to fear. He originally tried to dismiss the calls for him to release tax returns a while back and within short order realized he couldn't just dismiss the outcry and ended up giving up the one year's return that he has. People were more than a little pissed to see that this unemployed multimillionaire was making waaaay more than most people and still paying waaaay less than average Americans.

Thanks for askin'.
 
2012-04-10 08:15:48 AM  
so for those of you who think Obama had political clout helping him in Harvard.
Who exactly was this? Certainly not his dad. (Like Romney and Bush)
Who was this mysterious person pulling the strings at Harvard to get Barack groomed for a political career?
They must have had serious clout at the ivy league white boys enclave.
 
2012-04-10 08:15:48 AM  
Meanwhile, on Drudge...

i292.photobucket.com
 
2012-04-10 08:17:56 AM  

thamike: F*cking precedent, how does it work?


Sarah Palin can explain that to you, just don't ask her about the Vice-Precedent.
 
2012-04-10 08:21:16 AM  

The_Six_Fingered_Man: Team Obama: "We want Romney to release 23 years of his tax returns."
Romney: "Sorry, I only keep them for 7 years, per IRS guidelines."
Team Obama: "But...but...but you gave McCain 23!"
Romney: "Yeah, then I shredded them after I realized how stupid it was to keep all that paper around. If it's an audit you're after, call your buddy Tim and get it started. Make sure he's up on his obligations first."
Team Obama: Really? You shredded them after the McCain campaign went through them, huh? What happened? Did they find out that you have been cheating on your taxes for the last 23 years and you had to destroy the evidence?
Rmoney: No, nothing like that, I swear!
Team Obama: Well, never mind, just release the last seven years and we'll call it even.
Rmoney: But we don't want to. We just want to release one.
Team Obama: Well, of course you don't, you tax cheat.


FTFY
 
2012-04-10 08:21:26 AM  

quatchi: HotWingConspiracy: Snowflake Tubbybottom: On releasing his grades: HotWingConspiracy: What is Romney Obama so afraid of?

It can go both ways.

So what's he afraid of?

Maybe he's "afraid" that after satisfying this request you morons will keep going until we end up having some aryan newsbunny on FOX in the near future spewing derp about how Obama's 3rd grade finger paintings clearly show his Muslin roots and anti-colonial tendencies and asking "why doesn't he just release them?"

As previously mentioned what the fark do the right expect to find in Obama's earlier tax returns? He didn't get rich until relatively recently and that time's been covered by his returns he's already released so, honestly, why the hell is this even an issue with you?

Romney, on the other hand, has far more to fear. He originally tried to dismiss the calls for him to release tax returns a while back and within short order realized he couldn't just dismiss the outcry and ended up giving up the one year's return that he has. People were more than a little pissed to see that this unemployed multimillionaire was making waaaay more than most people and still paying waaaay less than average Americans.

Thanks for askin'.


literaryagentny.com
 
2012-04-10 08:22:04 AM  
What is Romoney hiding if he won't release those records?
 
2012-04-10 08:23:07 AM  

Hobodeluxe: quoinguy: I'm interested in BO's undergrad college records, which still haven't been released.

You know, goose/gander. If GW was such a dum-dum, why is BO afraid of the grades he earned as a youngster?

/I know he did well in law school, and that's just peachy. Just pointing out the hypocrisy.

why stop there? I demand to see his headstart diploma.


At the risk of sounding unduly pessimistic, I'm pretty sure they want his college records so they can say he only got in because he was black, then he blacked his way around campus blacking the place up until he got his Affirmative Blacktion degree in Blackstitutional Law.
 
2012-04-10 08:25:46 AM  

Hobodeluxe: so for those of you who think Obama had political clout helping him in Harvard.
Who exactly was this? Certainly not his dad. (Like Romney and Bush)
Who was this mysterious person pulling the strings at Harvard to get Barack groomed for a political career?
They must have had serious clout at the ivy league white boys enclave.


Malcolm X?

The Mothership?
 
2012-04-10 08:27:28 AM  

Jake Havechek: Hobodeluxe: so for those of you who think Obama had political clout helping him in Harvard.
Who exactly was this? Certainly not his dad. (Like Romney and Bush)
Who was this mysterious person pulling the strings at Harvard to get Barack groomed for a political career?
They must have had serious clout at the ivy league white boys enclave.

Malcolm X?

The Mothership?


SOOOORRROOOOSSSSSS
 
2012-04-10 08:33:33 AM  
That was stupid. Almost Rick Perry stupid.
 
2012-04-10 08:38:02 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: cman: cameroncrazy1984: cman: farkin pwned

Obama's released 12 years. How many has Romney released again?

I'll save you some time: one.

"You should release 23 years of tax returns but we wont do the same"

Double standards, eh?

FTFA:

""This is the standard that Romney set when he was talking to McCain about the [vice presidency]" he said"

Whose standards are double, again?


This is the standard that Obama set when he was talking about the standard that Romney set when he was talking to McCain about the [vice presidency].

// Personally doesn't give a fark
 
2012-04-10 08:38:33 AM  

Jackson Herring: Jake Havechek: Hobodeluxe: so for those of you who think Obama had political clout helping him in Harvard.
Who exactly was this? Certainly not his dad. (Like Romney and Bush)
Who was this mysterious person pulling the strings at Harvard to get Barack groomed for a political career?
They must have had serious clout at the ivy league white boys enclave.

Malcolm X?

The Mothership?

SOOOORRROOOOSSSSSS


Zombie Saul Alinsky
 
2012-04-10 08:38:53 AM  
I don't know why anyone should release their tax returns to the public. Or college transcripts for that matter.
 
2012-04-10 08:43:25 AM  
Romneys Swiss bank account is only the beginin' of wot will come at Romney. Nominatin' Romney is akin ter an aristcrat durin' the bloomin' French Revolution declarin' "I want ter rule yer." Too many blokes are 'urtin' finanancially ter vote for a filffy rich lad wiv Swiss bank accounts.
 
2012-04-10 08:50:02 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: Jackson Herring: Jake Havechek: Hobodeluxe: so for those of you who think Obama had political clout helping him in Harvard.
Who exactly was this? Certainly not his dad. (Like Romney and Bush)
Who was this mysterious person pulling the strings at Harvard to get Barack groomed for a political career?
They must have had serious clout at the ivy league white boys enclave.

Malcolm X?

The Mothership?

SOOOORRROOOOSSSSSS

Zombie Saul Alinsky


I'm pretty sure Alinsky was still alive while Obama was applying to Harvard, but don't quote me on that.

i43.tinypic.com
 
2012-04-10 08:52:17 AM  

quatchi:

As previously mentioned what the fark do the right expect to find in Obama's earlier tax returns? He didn't get rich until relatively recently and that time's been covered by his returns he's already released so, honestly, why the hell is this even an issue with you?


They're hoping he forgot to carry a one or misinterpreted a deductible so they can accuse him of cheating on his taxes.

A few years ago my wife and I miscoordinayed our withholding due to job switches, had to cut the IRS a check for a couple thousand bucks. Got it all sorted and it was no big deal. Now imagine the Fox 'News' cycle if they found something like that in Obama's return.

Romney, on the other hand, has far more to fear.

Maybe not. I think it's a safe bet that his tax returns are so complicated that you would have to be a pretty good accountant to even follow it at all, with forms and deductibles that most people will never have heard of, and any mistakes would probably take an entire article to explain what the loophole was and why his use of it was incorrect, but even then it would probably be up for interpretation. If there is anything illegal in it it sure won't be on a regular and easy to understand issue. The only mileage you would get is 'he's really rich pays a low tax rate, but it's probably legal' and we already know that, and the folks who vote GOP these days will admire him for it.
 
2012-04-10 08:53:16 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: He's simply questioning why McCain got 23 while the American people got 1.


Ok. They're both guilty of double standards. I'd still rather have Obama delivering them than Romney.
 
2012-04-10 08:54:50 AM  

Neeek: I doubt Obama has filed a tax return 23 times, and anything before he finished law school in the early 90s would be pretty boring. He's just not that old, and he wasn't rich until recently.


Oh, I have no problem with Obama on this topic. I just like showing Cameron how jealous I am of his travels!
 
2012-04-10 08:55:18 AM  
Jesus, they aren't even trying to hide their hypocracy. You would have to perform Mary Lou Rettin level of mental gymnastics for their argument to even start to sound rational, let alone make any sense.

Besides, who the fark is the Obama campaign to "demand" Romney release any of his tax returns? They aren't asking because they think it is in the public interest, they are looking for items they can try to use against Romney. Sorry folks, you can pay for your opposition research.
 
2012-04-10 08:55:26 AM  

Somacandra: How dumb. 23 years of Mitt Romney's taxation filings are going to be the most boring shiat in the world. Unless he's been banging North Korean hookers with Iranian cocaine and writing those off as business expenses, I really don't give a rat's ass about the last 23 years of his tax records. We know he's Rich Asshole already and not Confederate Goldbug, Adulterous Doughboy or Dominionist Theocrat.


He would actually look better in my book banging the hookers while on blow. It would at least indicate some actual personality on his part.
 
2012-04-10 08:57:16 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: you missed being in the top 25% of the class.
which 0bama wasn't.


Hey everyone! Look, he used a zero instead of a capital O for Obama's name! Huzzah!
 
2012-04-10 09:00:01 AM  

Jack31081: Hey everyone! Look, he used a zero instead of a capital O for Obama's name! Huzzah!


Zero Bama? I don't get it
 
2012-04-10 09:00:09 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Neeek: quoinguy: I'm interested in BO's undergrad college records, which still haven't been released.

You know, goose/gander. If GW was such a dum-dum, why is BO afraid of the grades he earned as a youngster?

/I know he did well in law school, and that's just peachy. Just pointing out the hypocrisy.

He got into Harvard Law School. He would have had to have excellent grades as an undergrad. Clearly you have no idea how hard it is to get into.

oh really? did you know that he didn't graduate with honors from columbia? do you know how low the bar is for honors?


I love Contards criticizing college standards.

What trailer park school did you graduate from tenpoundsofderp?
 
2012-04-10 09:03:25 AM  

Hollie Maea: randomjsa: I think everything he wrote in college would be more interesting than his tax returns.

No you don't you lying sack of shiat.


Not that randomjsa isn't a lying sack of shiat, but you do have to admit that tax returns a horrendously boring and it is actually likely that whatever Obama wrote would be more interesting.
 
2012-04-10 09:06:04 AM  

Jackson Herring: Jack31081: Hey everyone! Look, he used a zero instead of a capital O for Obama's name! Huzzah!

Zero Bama? I don't get it


I've always assumed that the folks who do that are intellectually most comfortable with pre-school playground name calling, so they stick with what they've been practicing the last 40 years or so.
 
2012-04-10 09:06:06 AM  

Jackson Herring: Philip Francis Queeg: Jackson Herring: Jake Havechek: Hobodeluxe: so for those of you who think Obama had political clout helping him in Harvard.
Who exactly was this? Certainly not his dad. (Like Romney and Bush)
Who was this mysterious person pulling the strings at Harvard to get Barack groomed for a political career?
They must have had serious clout at the ivy league white boys enclave.

Malcolm X?

The Mothership?

SOOOORRROOOOSSSSSS

Zombie Saul Alinsky

I'm pretty sure Alinsky was still alive while Obama was applying to Harvard, but don't quote me on that.

[i43.tinypic.com image 300x531]


Alinsky died when Obama was 11.
 
2012-04-10 09:10:06 AM  

Hollie Maea: Ambivalence: Why would anyone need more than 7? 23 years does seem a little excessive.

The whole point about the 23 years is that Romney showed 23 years to McCain and when McCain saw them he said "Uh oh...we'd better play it safe and go for, say, Sarah Palin."


I agree with you on this point, but I expected any demands like this to be done more intelligently from Obama's campaign manager. This is the kind of demand you get a surrogate to make on one of the talk shows, not an official campaign remark when talking to reporters. To be honest, it worries me a little that he'd make this kind of mistake.
 
2012-04-10 09:12:22 AM  

dr_blasto: Somacandra: How dumb. 23 years of Mitt Romney's taxation filings are going to be the most boring shiat in the world. Unless he's been banging North Korean hookers with Iranian cocaine and writing those off as business expenses, I really don't give a rat's ass about the last 23 years of his tax records. We know he's Rich Asshole already and not Confederate Goldbug, Adulterous Doughboy or Dominionist Theocrat.

He would actually look better in my book banging the hookers while on blow. It would at least indicate some actual personality on his part.


If you think about it, Romney would bang hookers while on blow if THAT was a GOP position.
 
2012-04-10 09:12:54 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: Alinsky died when Obama was 11.


I did not know that, and now I do.
 
2012-04-10 09:15:02 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Neeek: tenpoundsofcheese: Neeek: quoinguy: I'm interested in BO's undergrad college records, which still haven't been released.

You know, goose/gander. If GW was such a dum-dum, why is BO afraid of the grades he earned as a youngster?

/I know he did well in law school, and that's just peachy. Just pointing out the hypocrisy.

He got into Harvard Law School. He would have had to have excellent grades as an undergrad. Clearly you have no idea how hard it is to get into.

oh really? did you know that he didn't graduate with honors from columbia? do you know how low the bar is for honors?

3.6 GPA, full year enrollment in the honors program and a 60-75 page thesis to apply. Why do you ask?

you missed being in the top 25% of the class.
which 0bama wasn't.


If you already know all about his grades as an undergrad, why the hell would you care if he released them? What is the big goddamn deal with undergrad grades anyhow?

It seems you whackjobs just know he's done some awful shiat somewhere, somehow, and if you get info on every corner of his personal life you'll finally be vindicated in your irrational and relentless hate.

Pull yourself together, man. We get you don't like Democrats, hell you may even be a racist. But jeebus, next thing you'll want is gas receipts from 1989 to 1991 because you're sure he was one of Glenn Beck's co-conspirators. Just vote for your boy Romney and let it go or at least try to make somewhat reasonable arguments.
 
2012-04-10 09:15:52 AM  

The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: I've always assumed that the folks who do that are intellectually most comfortable with pre-school playground name calling, so they stick with what they've been practicing the last 40 years or so.


To be fair I'm all about such as Fartbama and 0nambla and all, just like not in earnest.
 
2012-04-10 09:20:30 AM  

LockeOak: Wait a minute. The McCain campaign got 23 years of tax documents from Romney, and then they picked Palin?


Wow, how farked up must those tax returns be? To go from a Mass. moderate to a nutcase from Alaska?
 
2012-04-10 09:21:16 AM  
What's this gabbering on about college transcripts? When has a candidate ever released them? If I released my transcripts, you'd see I wrote all about all sorts of rude nonsense. That's what you do at college.


Or is the insinuation "He's black, and therefore was only let in college because he was black and his grades will be terrible"?
 
182
2012-04-10 09:26:13 AM  
23 years ago, Obama was a broke ass n*gga.
 
2012-04-10 09:27:52 AM  

182: 23 years ago, Obama was a broke ass n*gga.


You know money isn't why Republicans would want to see documents with Barry's name on them.
 
2012-04-10 09:28:15 AM  

Jackson Herring: [goo.gl image 394x305]


WHER TIGER FARM CERTIFICT
 
2012-04-10 09:29:25 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: cman: cameroncrazy1984: cman: farkin pwned

Obama's released 12 years. How many has Romney released again?

I'll save you some time: one.

"You should release 23 years of tax returns but we wont do the same"

Double standards, eh?

FTFA:

""This is the standard that Romney set when he was talking to McCain about the [vice presidency]" he said"

Whose standards are double, again?


Both of them are. One being a double standard doesn't negate that the other is as well.
 
2012-04-10 09:30:58 AM  

sweetmelissa31: Jackson Herring: [goo.gl image 394x305]

WHER TIGER FARM CERTIFICT


I'm just asking questions. Why won't Obama come out and admit to his family's long heritage of Tiger farming? What does he have to hide?
 
2012-04-10 09:31:22 AM  

dr_blasto: tenpoundsofcheese: Neeek: tenpoundsofcheese: Neeek: quoinguy: I'm interested in BO's undergrad college records, which still haven't been released.

You know, goose/gander. If GW was such a dum-dum, why is BO afraid of the grades he earned as a youngster?

/I know he did well in law school, and that's just peachy. Just pointing out the hypocrisy.

He got into Harvard Law School. He would have had to have excellent grades as an undergrad. Clearly you have no idea how hard it is to get into.

oh really? did you know that he didn't graduate with honors from columbia? do you know how low the bar is for honors?

3.6 GPA, full year enrollment in the honors program and a 60-75 page thesis to apply. Why do you ask?

you missed being in the top 25% of the class.
which 0bama wasn't.

If you already know all about his grades as an undergrad, why the hell would you care if he released them? What is the big goddamn deal with undergrad grades anyhow?

It seems you whackjobs just know he's done some awful shiat somewhere, somehow, and if you get info on every corner of his personal life you'll finally be vindicated in your irrational and relentless hate.

Pull yourself together, man. We get you don't like Democrats, hell you may even be a racist. But jeebus, next thing you'll want is gas receipts from 1989 to 1991 because you're sure he was one of Glenn Beck's co-conspirators. Just vote for your boy Romney and let it go or at least try to make somewhat reasonable arguments.


For the same reason Obama wants 23 years of tax returns from Romney? It's an election year and they are looking for dirt.
 
2012-04-10 09:33:29 AM  
23 was a long shot. So how about 12?
 
2012-04-10 09:36:50 AM  

The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: Romney, on the other hand, has far more to fear.

Maybe not. I think it's a safe bet that his tax returns are so complicated that you would have to be a pretty good accountant to even follow it at all, with forms and deductibles that most people will never have heard of, and any mistakes would probably take an entire article to explain what the loophole was and why his use of it was incorrect, but even then it would probably be up for interpretation. If there is anything illegal in it it sure won't be on a regular and easy to understand issue. The only mileage you would get is 'he's really rich pays a low tax rate, but it's probably legal' and we already know that, and the folks who vote GOP these days will admire him for it.


Not in terms of illegality but in terms of perception there will be problem beyond the fact that he pays 15% or less on his millions in income while most folks make far less and pay a far higher percentage. Specifically, Bain Capitol and it's role in shipping American jobs off-shore. Plus, when people start to appreciate how self serving his tax plans are for people like him at the expense of everyone else there will be another optics problem.
 
2012-04-10 09:39:11 AM  

Jackson Herring: Jack31081: Hey everyone! Look, he used a zero instead of a capital O for Obama's name! Huzzah!

Zero Bama? I don't get it


That's because your shallow libtard sense of humor pales in comparison to the depth and profoundness of Republican wit.
 
2012-04-10 09:40:28 AM  

Jackson Herring: I'm just asking questions. Why won't Obama come out and admit to his family's long heritage of Tiger farming? What does he have to hide?


Real reason for no tiger farm certifict: Benjamin Netanyahu.
 
2012-04-10 09:55:42 AM  

sweetmelissa31: Jackson Herring: I'm just asking questions. Why won't Obama come out and admit to his family's long heritage of Tiger farming? What does he have to hide?

Real reason for no tiger farm certifict: Benjamin Netanyahu.


Benjamin? More like Bentigerfarming
 
2012-04-10 10:02:19 AM  

RoxtarRyan: CygnusDarius: I came here for an argument.

No you didn't.

 
2012-04-10 10:07:34 AM  

bulldg4life: Good lord...this thread got it good.

I am continually impressed that the troll using 0bama gets repeated hits every day.


For almost exactly the same reason that some people can't resist popping pustules, zits, and blisters. It may be disgusting and ultimately counterproductive, but there's a certain amount of short-term relief to be found in dealing with them.
 
2012-04-10 10:08:31 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Neeek: tenpoundsofcheese: Neeek: quoinguy: I'm interested in BO's undergrad college records, which still haven't been released.

You know, goose/gander. If GW was such a dum-dum, why is BO afraid of the grades he earned as a youngster?

/I know he did well in law school, and that's just peachy. Just pointing out the hypocrisy.

He got into Harvard Law School. He would have had to have excellent grades as an undergrad. Clearly you have no idea how hard it is to get into.

oh really? did you know that he didn't graduate with honors from columbia? do you know how low the bar is for honors?

3.6 GPA, full year enrollment in the honors program and a 60-75 page thesis to apply. Why do you ask?

you missed being in the top 25% of the class.
which 0bama wasn't.


Obama was disappointed in himself also at Columbia. In his book, he admitted to not taking it seriously. He decided that he need to apply himself for Harvard. I wonder whatever happened to that guy.
 
2012-04-10 10:12:32 AM  
Without slogging through the posts so far, I'd like to point out that Obama's camp hasn't refused to release 23 years of returns. They haven't committed to it, either.

Since it is unlikely that Rmoney will release to the public the records that he was willing to share with McCain, it would seem premature to ask the same of Obama. Even though Obama is already more than halfway so disclosed.

Personally I think it's a stupid point, but I imagine that never stopped subby before.
 
2012-04-10 10:16:48 AM  
Campaign manager suggesting = Obama demanding
 
2012-04-10 10:20:45 AM  
Has anyone asked to see Romney's school transcripts all the way back to kindergarten?
 
2012-04-10 10:21:02 AM  
Show me again where they refused to release 23 years worth of tax returns? The question was "are you prepared to release 23 years worth of tax returns?" The answer was, paraphrased, This is what Mitt gave McCain less than four years ago. This is the metric essentially set by the Republican party. We've released what we've released, and everyone has seen it.

And no, the president shouldn't have to release 23 years of tax returns, because a) he hasn't been a public figure for nearly that long and b) he isn't a billionaire with shady tax havens, a Swiss bank account, and a history of gutting companies for profit. There's never been a question about the Obama's finances because, all things considered, they're not all that remarkable. If Dick Cheney were the nominee, it wouldn't be out of line to ask for medical records you don't ask of the Obama camp... because the president plays basketball with the secret service and Cheney is running on a pig heart.
 
2012-04-10 10:22:33 AM  

TV's Vinnie: What is Romoney hiding if he won't release those records?


That he hasn't been tithing anywhere near 10% to his church.
 
2012-04-10 10:27:28 AM  
Not suprising.

Obama has a seperate set of rules and expectations.

Obama is not to be judged as other 'regular' politicians are judged.

Obama is special, new, and unique.

Obama is just not like all those OTHER politicians.

He's just not. Now shut up and stop trying to judge Obama by the standards that others are judged by.
 
2012-04-10 10:30:50 AM  

foo monkey: Romney is 65. Obama is 50. McCain is 75.
Romney has released tax returns from age 63 to present. Obama has released gas returns from age 38 to present. McCain was asked to release tax returns from age 52 to present.

What is Mitt Romney hiding?


'Gas' returns?
 
2012-04-10 10:32:28 AM  

kmmontandon: Obama's asking for 23. Romney's provided 1.

Given how much we know Obama loves to negotiate with Republicans to a middle ground, he's actually asking for 12.


That's an interesting way to look at it, you may have a point.
 
2012-04-10 10:33:36 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: Alinsky died when Obama was 11.


That's what they want you to think. But without Obama's birf certfct, how can you know how old he was then?
 
2012-04-10 10:34:40 AM  

whatsupchuck: Without slogging through the posts so far, I'd like to point out that Obama's camp hasn't refused to release 23 years of returns. They haven't committed to it, either.

Since it is unlikely that Rmoney will release to the public the records that he was willing to share with McCain, it would seem premature to ask the same of Obama. Even though Obama is already more than halfway so disclosed.

Personally I think it's a stupid point, but I imagine that never stopped subby before.


And THIS is really the point of TFA. The haters won't get it, and some of the Obama people will be so wound up that they won't see it either, but there it is.
 
2012-04-10 10:35:12 AM  

Terrible Old Man: They're going to look at their wallets and life compared to 4 years ago.


And vote for the guy who said he loves firing people. Of course.
 
2012-04-10 10:35:30 AM  

BojanglesPaladin: Not suprising.

Obama has a seperate set of rules and expectations.


Twelve years of tax returns vs one. Yup, sounds like separate rules and expectations to me.
Why won't this guy release his long form birth certificate and school transcripts?
 
2012-04-10 10:36:23 AM  

BojanglesPaladin: Not suprising.

Obama has a seperate set of rules and expectations.

Obama is not to be judged as other 'regular' politicians are judged.

Obama is special, new, and unique.

Obama is just not like all those OTHER politicians.

He's just not. Now shut up and stop trying to judge Obama by the standards that others are judged by.


Obama released twelve years of tax returns. Romney released one year.

Obama had to release his BC that no other candidate had to release.

So what special rules are there for Obama?
 
2012-04-10 10:38:35 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: cameroncrazy1984: cman: farkin pwned

Obama's released 12 years. How many has Romney released again?

I'll save you some time: one.

How many is he required to release?
I'll save you some time: zero.


Evasion noted.
 
2012-04-10 10:41:54 AM  

BuckTurgidson: Jesus, this site sucks.

You suck, Drew Curtis.

Because your Admins and your Moderators suck.

Do please f*ck off all of you, at your earliest opportunity.

Kindest and most insincere regards,
Yours etc.


images4.wikia.nocookie.net

/oblig
 
2012-04-10 10:47:37 AM  

jpo2269: Besides, who the fark is the Obama campaign to "demand" Romney release any of his tax returns?


They didn't demand anything, as far as I recall. If I am wrong about that, I'd be very grateful for a link proving it.
 
2012-04-10 10:50:50 AM  

jpo2269: Jesus, they aren't even trying to hide their hypocracy. You would have to perform Mary Lou Rettin level of mental gymnastics for their argument to even start to sound rational, let alone make any sense.

Besides, who the fark is the Obama campaign to "demand" Romney release any of his tax returns? They aren't asking because they think it is in the public interest, they are looking for items they can try to use against Romney. Sorry folks, you can pay for your opposition research.


I sure hope that you stand up and blow the Horn of Rational every time some asshat demands that Obama release his Birth Certificate, since that is just as stupid...

SO let's compare stakes now:

Obama:
12 years of tax returns(Goes back to when he was 38)
1 Selective Service card
1 Long Form Birth Certificate
1 Certificate of Live Birth

Romney:
1 year of tax returns.

Wow, not much of a difference there, is there? I'm sure it's not because he's Black though.
 
2012-04-10 10:55:49 AM  

ManRay: I don't know why anyone should release their tax returns to the public. Or college transcripts for that matter.


Or birth certificate, or Selective Service registration card, but Obama has been forced to release all. At this point, I think it only fair that Romney gets his feet held to the flame for awhile. When he catches up with Obama, then we can talk about going back farther w/ Obama's documentation, but for the time being, he is 2 birth certificates, one Selective Service registration, and 11 years of tax returns up on the Mittster.
 
2012-04-10 10:56:06 AM  

Mikey1969: Wow, not much of a difference there, is there? I'm sure it's not because he's Black though.


See, now you've just derailed your point because you mentioned race, you racy racist. Good luck moving the conversation forward in a meaningful manner!
 
2012-04-10 10:56:18 AM  

Fart_Machine: Twelve years of tax returns vs one. Yup, sounds like separate rules and expectations to me.
Why won't this guy release his long form birth certificate and school transcripts?


The point at hand is that the Obama campaign is asking Romney to cough up more than they themselves are willing to cough up.

If the Romeny campaign had asked for 20+ years of tax returns, but were not willing to do the same, we would all rightly be pointing and laughing at them.

Spin away, but the Obama campaign is the ones caught with their double-standard foot in their mouth.
 
2012-04-10 10:59:29 AM  
Wow. The level of derp that the derpublicans in this thread are derping is quite disheartening.

[thisiswhattheybelieve.jpg]

/retards.
 
2012-04-10 10:59:41 AM  

Mikey1969: Or birth certificate, or Selective Service registration card, but Obama has been forced to release all.


Obama has not released his college transcripts as far as I am aware. Nor tax returns or student loan information or information detailing how he paid for college.

I would personally be interested to see that information, but since most Presidents don't release that, I appreciate that he is not obligated to do so.

As far as releasing his birth certificate, that was a political decision made to quell questions about his very legitimacy as President. Baseless or not, it would have been monumentaly stupid not to do so, and it worked to his advantage to do so.
 
2012-04-10 11:02:57 AM  
Btw, as a non-American/non-derper I feel it is my duty to tell you Obama is quite a good president and WE GET IT, HE'S BLACK.

/crackers.
 
2012-04-10 11:05:35 AM  

inclemency: Btw, as a non-American/non-derper I feel it is my duty to tell you Obama is quite a good president and WE GET IT, HE'S BLACK.

/crackers.


You sound like a furriner! Shet yer trap about 'merican politix ya furriner!!!

/I kid. My Dad's a furriner, and he H-A-T-E-S Obama. Many of you Farkers woudl lose your mids listening in on me defending Obama around the dinner table :)
 
2012-04-10 11:06:06 AM  

Anti_illuminati: Mikey1969: Wow, not much of a difference there, is there? I'm sure it's not because he's Black though.

See, now you've just derailed your point because you mentioned race, you racy racist. Good luck moving the conversation forward in a meaningful manner!


I AM racy... :-)
 
2012-04-10 11:06:22 AM  

Jack31081: tenpoundsofcheese: you missed being in the top 25% of the class.
which 0bama wasn't.

Hey everyone! Look, he used a zero instead of a capital O for Obama's name! Huzzah!


Jackson Herring: Jack31081: Hey everyone! Look, he used a zero instead of a capital O for Obama's name! Huzzah!

Zero Bama? I don't get it


It's funny because he's implying that Obama is a ZERO!

HA HA

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Oh, tenpoundsoffail, you are so very clever. Bless your heart.
 
2012-04-10 11:08:49 AM  

BojanglesPaladin: Mikey1969: Or birth certificate, or Selective Service registration card, but Obama has been forced to release all.

Obama has not released his college transcripts as far as I am aware. Nor tax returns or student loan information or information detailing how he paid for college.

I would personally be interested to see that information, but since most Presidents don't release that, I appreciate that he is not obligated to do so.

As far as releasing his birth certificate, that was a political decision made to quell questions about his very legitimacy as President. Baseless or not, it would have been monumentaly stupid not to do so, and it worked to his advantage to do so.


I don't give two shiats how he paid for college. He's not the Manchurian Candidate, no matter how people want to paint him as so. Besides, who has detailed records like this from their 20's, unless they are rich and hire a professional accountant?

As for TFA: I think until Mittster has caught up with Obama on document releases, the Obama Haters should just STFU...
 
2012-04-10 11:14:59 AM  
So basically it went like this:

Obama staffer: "We think Mitt should release all of those tax returns that he gave to McCain that made him look worse than Caribou Barbie"

Reporter: "Will Obama release the same years?"

Obama staffer doesn't know because Obama isn't there so he gives canned response.
 
2012-04-10 11:15:19 AM  

Mikey1969: ManRay: I don't know why anyone should release their tax returns to the public. Or college transcripts for that matter.

Or birth certificate, or Selective Service registration card, but Obama has been forced to release all. At this point, I think it only fair that Romney gets his feet held to the flame for awhile. When he catches up with Obama, then we can talk about going back farther w/ Obama's documentation, but for the time being, he is 2 birth certificates, one Selective Service registration, and 11 years of tax returns up on the Mittster.


Mitt's a Mormon, they don't get drafted, they go missionary and ride a bicycle through exurbia
 
2012-04-10 11:16:20 AM  

Mikey1969: I don't give two shiats how he paid for college.


Calm down. No one said you did, or should, care. I said I would like to see them out of curiosity, but he has no obligation to do so. Who has these records? Harvard does. No need for a proffesional.

As for TFA: I think until Mittster has caught up with Obama on document releases, the Obama Haters should just STFU...

As for TFA, it was the O'Bama campaign that should have STFU. They got host on their own petard by publicly asking for records they themsleves would not provide.

They SHOULD have just said "show us 12 years, since we have already shown 12 years", and that would have put them in a strong position.

But they goofed, overplayed it, and now they have egg on their face.
 
2012-04-10 11:19:20 AM  

ordinarysteve: LockeOak: Wait a minute. The McCain campaign got 23 years of tax documents from Romney, and then they picked Palin?

Wow, how farked up must those tax returns be? To go from a Mass. moderate to a nutcase from Alaska?


Is this one of those threads where correlation does equal causation? Hard to keep track.

snowshovel: Yeah, for a group that seems to be pretty smart with political maneuvering, someone dropped the ball in Obama's camp on this one.


Pretty much sums it up.
 
2012-04-10 11:24:21 AM  

BojanglesPaladin: They got host on their own petard by publicly asking for records they themsleves would not provide.


I missed the part of TFA where they said they wouldn't provide the same records?
 
2012-04-10 11:26:53 AM  

BojanglesPaladin: They SHOULD have just said "show us 12 years, since we have already shown 12 years", and that would have put them in a strong position.

But they goofed, overplayed it, and now they have egg on their face.



LOL, I kind of like the people who pointed out that given how much resistance Obama gets on ANYTHING from the Republicans, maybe he said 23 hoping that 12 would be the number they settled on.
 
2012-04-10 11:27:40 AM  

The Homer Tax: I missed the part of TFA where they said they wouldn't provide the same records?


It's the part where they refused to commit to doing exactly what they asked the Romney campaign to do.

You can probably google it and find it right next to the part where Romney has refused to produce any additional tax records.
 
2012-04-10 11:29:37 AM  
Obama was in Kenya 23 years ago. He doesn't have those tax returns. Der.
 
2012-04-10 11:30:52 AM  
I demand that Balrog Hussein Fartbama release his kindergarten fingerpaintings.
 
2012-04-10 11:31:46 AM  

Stile4aly: I demand that Balrog Hussein Fartbama release his kindergarten fingerpaintings.


WHER TURKEY DRAWING
 
2012-04-10 11:32:21 AM  

Jackson Herring: Philip Francis Queeg: Alinsky died when Obama was 11.

I did not know that, and now I do.


You learned something, yet it's still the dumbest thread you'll read on April 10, 2012.

That's how dumb it is.
 
2012-04-10 11:34:36 AM  

CPennypacker: So basically it went like this:

Obama staffer: "We think Mitt should release all of those tax returns that he gave to McCain that made him look worse than Caribou Barbie"

Reporter: "Will Obama release the same years?"

Obama staffer doesn't know because Obama's teleprompter isn't there so he gives canned response.


Geez, try to stay consistent, okay?
 
2012-04-10 11:36:41 AM  

sweetmelissa31: Stile4aly: I demand that Balrog Hussein Fartbama release his kindergarten fingerpaintings.

WHER TURKEY DRAWING


3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-04-10 11:40:47 AM  

BojanglesPaladin: It's the part where they refused to commit to doing exactly what they asked the Romney campaign to do.


One would imagine the Obama campaign would have no problem releasing to the public the tax records they previously released to the McCain campaign.
 
2012-04-10 11:48:11 AM  

kmmontandon: Obama's asking for 23. Romney's provided 1.

Given how much we know Obama loves to negotiate with Republicans to a middle ground, he's actually asking for 12.



Ouch. Spot on!
 
2012-04-10 11:55:54 AM  

kmmontandon: Obama's asking for 23. Romney's provided 1.

Given how much we know Obama loves to negotiate with Republicans to a middle ground, he's actually asking for 12.


So we should expect him to end up settling for 4, then?
 
2012-04-10 12:02:03 PM  

Stile4aly: I demand that Balrog Hussein Fartbama release his kindergarten fingerpaintings.


I can only assume there is lots of commie red blotches, yellow (the colour of appeasers) and paint is well distributed at the bottom of the page.
 
2012-04-10 12:04:39 PM  
Who farking cares about tax returns? If you are rich, congrats. If you use completely legal loopholes to pay fewer taxes, well, its completely legal, and many of us have done the same thing.

On that note, this thread really brings out some of the Obama fanatics.
 
2012-04-10 12:08:29 PM  

Jjaro: Who farking cares about tax returns? If you are rich, congrats. If you use completely legal loopholes to pay fewer taxes, well, its completely legal, and many of us have done the same thing.

On that note, this thread really brings out some of the Obama fanatics.


The left wants to use it to attack him on being so wealthy as to be out of touch with Americans, and also to highlight his effective tax rate as most of his income is through capital gains. I don't see any reason why he would give them the ammunition.
 
2012-04-10 12:16:54 PM  

Jjaro: Who farking cares about tax returns? If you are rich, congrats. If you use completely legal loopholes to pay fewer taxes, well, its completely legal, and many of us have done the same thing.

On that note, this thread really brings out some of the Obama fanatics.


A President does not require a security clearance. He get's the highest security clearance in the US just based on being elected.

All of Dubya's early failed oil business were financed by the Saudi's including the Bin Laden family. He wouldn't even have been able to get a security clearance for an entry level position in the Pentagon. Get elected however, you get all the Top Secret files and a snazzy red button.

No Government agency can prevent a crook or a security risk from becoming POTUS. As it should be.

However, the implied requirement is for the public to properly vet the candidates. I don't think it should be 1, 12 or 23 years. It should be whatever ever the voter feels they want and if they feel that the candidate is holding back on them they should feel free not to trust them and vote for the other guy. The only dangerous think is the public assumption that these candidates and their background are somehow vetted by anyone.
 
2012-04-10 12:17:39 PM  
I see the local Obama Truth Team™ has this thread on lock down.

Carry on, comrades.
 
2012-04-10 12:18:19 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: Fart_Machine: Twelve years of tax returns vs one. Yup, sounds like separate rules and expectations to me.
Why won't this guy release his long form birth certificate and school transcripts?

The point at hand is that the Obama campaign is asking Romney to cough up more than they themselves are willing to cough up.

If the Romeny campaign had asked for 20+ years of tax returns, but were not willing to do the same, we would all rightly be pointing and laughing at them.

Spin away, but the Obama campaign is the ones caught with their double-standard foot in their mouth.


The point at hand from my response was your specific derp about Obama having separate expectations and rules, especially after being expected to provide more documentation than any President in recent history.
 
2012-04-10 12:19:52 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: It's the part where they refused to commit to doing exactly what they asked the Romney campaign to do.


There's a difference between refusing to commit to doing something and refusing to do something.

Jjaro: Who farking cares about tax returns? If you are rich, congrats. If you use completely legal loopholes to pay fewer taxes, well, its completely legal, and many of us have done the same thing.


Mitt won't release his tax returns because when you ever actually look at an absurdly wealthy person's tax returns it debunks the entire "poor put upon rich people shouldering all the tax burden" myth.

It's harder to sell the notion that rich people need to pay even less in taxes when they are already paying less percentage-wise than everyone else, legality isn't really the issue.
 
2012-04-10 12:21:37 PM  

Polly Ester: I see the local Obama Truth Team™ has this thread on lock down.

Carry on, comrades.


Are all the good trolls asleep or something?
 
2012-04-10 12:33:14 PM  

quoinguy: I'm interested in BO's undergrad college records, which still haven't been released.

You know, goose/gander. If GW was such a dum-dum, why is BO afraid of the grades he earned as a youngster?

/I know he did well in law school, and that's just peachy. Just pointing out the hypocrisy.


If you're unaware of the fact that Dubya is indeed a "dum-dum," then you're a f*cking moron.
 
2012-04-10 12:59:59 PM  

otisrelaxed: Rmoney is rich

We get it.

Can we move on now?


Why flip flop now?
 
2012-04-10 01:01:22 PM  

Fart_Machine: The point at hand from my response was your specific derp about Obama having separate expectations and rules


Call it derp all you want, but in this case, as in so many others, Obama fans feel he is exempt from 'good for the goose, good for the gander' comparisons.

Look, as I said before, if the Romney campaign had asked for 15 years of tax returns, and then refused to coimmit to doing the same, we would all be pointing at laughing at them. But TODAY, in THIS instance, it was the Obama campaign that made a mis-step.

I am reasonably convinced that the world will nonetheless continue to spin on its axis. and tomorrow it will be some other political gaff by a political campaign.

The Homer Tax: There's a difference between refusing to commit to doing something and refusing to do something.


Wow. talk about splitting fine hairs. But fine. There is a distinction without much differnece. And in both cases, they did not agree to do what they have asked Romney to do.

All of you can spin, spin, spin all you want. It's both funny and disturbing just how vigorously some of you will scream and fight to prevent any HINT that the Obama campaign may have just maybe flibbed the ball on something, anything.

But carry on. Keep arguing that THIS cisrcumstance TOTALLY doesn't qualify as a mistake. Just like all the other times. Because Obama (or his campaign) is not to be judged by the same rules as anyone else.
 
2012-04-10 01:03:04 PM  

Polly Ester: I see the local Obama Truth Team™ has this thread on lock down.

Carry on, comrades.


Wanna cracker?
 
2012-04-10 01:05:52 PM  

Terrible Old Man: Befuddled: Why does Obama have to release anything? He's the incumbent, so he gets judged on his performance in office. Asking to see his college transcripts is just desperate fishing by those who have got nothing.

Trust me, he does not want his performance to be the sole judgement of his success. He doesn't want it even being the major judgement of his success. While he can claim the economy is improving and change the math to ignore large gobs of people unable to find a job, the rest of us down on Main Street are painfully aware what a lie looks and feels like (our wallets are lighter and our relatives can't find work still).

I'm not happy about whoever the GoP puts up against him either, but if Obama thinks the election will be a steamroll victory, I fear he's delusional. Things are still about the same level of bad they've been for awhile and unlike his opposition, we already know how well Obama runs things... Historically when things are bad, people always vote in droves for the devil they don't know, over the devil they know just on the hope that no one can make things worse than they are.

While he's a nice social progressive (or at least, he sounds like one, regardless of not doing much), the little people pitching hay in the fields and working minimum wage jobs don't give a shiat when it comes to that. They're going to look at their wallets and life compared to 4 years ago.


Is that why the average paycheck for Americans has INCREASED?

Are you that farking stupid? Answer : Big time.
 
2012-04-10 01:14:35 PM  

Mikey1969: jpo2269: Jesus, they aren't even trying to hide their hypocracy. You would have to perform Mary Lou Rettin level of mental gymnastics for their argument to even start to sound rational, let alone make any sense.

Besides, who the fark is the Obama campaign to "demand" Romney release any of his tax returns? They aren't asking because they think it is in the public interest, they are looking for items they can try to use against Romney. Sorry folks, you can pay for your opposition research.

I sure hope that you stand up and blow the Horn of Rational every time some asshat demands that Obama release his Birth Certificate, since that is just as stupid...

SO let's compare stakes now:

Obama:
12 years of tax returns(Goes back to when he was 38)
1 Selective Service card
1 Long Form Birth Certificate
1 Certificate of Live Birth

Romney:
1 year of tax returns.

Wow, not much of a difference there, is there? I'm sure it's not because he's Black though.


No, he's white. 50% white.
 
2012-04-10 01:21:06 PM  

DirkValentine: Is that why the average paycheck for Americans has INCREASED?


Having been told for years now that income levels for the average American has been stagnant for decades while the hyper wealthy get richer, I would be interested to see what numbers you are reffering to.

Would you mind posting them?
 
2012-04-10 01:26:19 PM  

FlyingLizardOfDoom: cameroncrazy1984: cman: And no, I am not "submitting", I am just recognizing that this discussion is no longer fruitful as we will cover the same point over and over again.

I find it very interesting that you are defending the guy who has released one tax return over the guy who has released twelve.

And im trying to figure out why it is anyones business what either of them made in the last X years.


Personally I'd like to know if the candidate in the allegedly Ultra-Patriot party has been paying all the proper income taxes. I mean this IS the candidate with a Swiss bank account, so I'd like to see how much of his eight-figures is going back into the country he supposedly loves so much.
 
MFL
2012-04-10 01:27:54 PM  
DirkValentine Is that why the average paycheck for Americans has INCREASED?

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL........snort...
 
2012-04-10 01:35:54 PM  

MFL: DirkValentine Is that why the average paycheck for Americans has INCREASED?

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL........snort...


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2012-04-10 01:38:40 PM  

DirkValentine: MFL: DirkValentine Is that why the average paycheck for Americans has INCREASED?...Link (new window)


Oh wow. Really? So your argumant is that a TAX CUT is an increase in pay?

And you are using a TAX CUT as evidence that Obama is 'fixing the economy'?

Really? You must be a HUGE fan of GW's amazing economy fixing then.
 
2012-04-10 01:42:46 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: Fart_Machine: The point at hand from my response was your specific derp about Obama having separate expectations and rules

Call it derp all you want, but in this case, as in so many others, Obama fans feel he is exempt from 'good for the goose, good for the gander' comparisons.

Look, as I said before, if the Romney campaign had asked for 15 years of tax returns, and then refused to coimmit to doing the same, we would all be pointing at laughing at them. But TODAY, in THIS instance, it was the Obama campaign that made a mis-step.

I am reasonably convinced that the world will nonetheless continue to spin on its axis. and tomorrow it will be some other political gaff by a political campaign.

The Homer Tax: There's a difference between refusing to commit to doing something and refusing to do something.

Wow. talk about splitting fine hairs. But fine. There is a distinction without much differnece. And in both cases, they did not agree to do what they have asked Romney to do.

All of you can spin, spin, spin all you want. It's both funny and disturbing just how vigorously some of you will scream and fight to prevent any HINT that the Obama campaign may have just maybe flibbed the ball on something, anything.

But carry on. Keep arguing that THIS cisrcumstance TOTALLY doesn't qualify as a mistake. Just like all the other times. Because Obama (or his campaign) is not to be judged by the same rules as anyone else.


So all of this is just apologism for the fact that Romney will never ever release the same amount of records as Obama.

Damn that Obama and his special rules.
 
2012-04-10 01:43:11 PM  

DirkValentine: MFL: DirkValentine Is that why the average paycheck for Americans has INCREASED?...Link (new window)


Also, are you GENUINELY putting forward that a tax CUT that allows wage earners to keep an average of an extra $85 a MONTH or $20 a week should be considered proof that disproves the idea that the economy is not getting better?

Where is that 'not sure if serious' pic?
 
2012-04-10 01:49:01 PM  
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jpo2269: Besides, who the fark is the Obama campaign to "demand" Romney release any of his tax returns?

They didn't demand anything, as far as I recall. If I am wrong about that, I'd be very grateful for a link proving it.


Forgive me, I pulled the "demand" from the headline and to be more accurate, I should have used the term "suggested." Still pretty stupid to ask your opponet to do something that you are not prepared to do yourself at the time you are making said "suggestion."

The campaign can pay for opposition research, instead of being handed it.
 
2012-04-10 01:52:51 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: DirkValentine: MFL: DirkValentine Is that why the average paycheck for Americans has INCREASED?...Link (new window)

Also, are you GENUINELY putting forward that a tax CUT that allows wage earners to keep an average of an extra $85 a MONTH or $20 a week should be considered proof that disproves the idea that the economy is not getting better?

Where is that 'not sure if serious' pic?


No I was responding to the part of the post about how when people "look to their wallets" or whatever they are going to think bad on Obama.

Look : the guy has cut taxes and the unemployment rate is decreasing. To say that people are going to say they are worse off than four years ago is just plain stupid. They aren't. Is everybody peachy keen about the economy and their life? NO, of course not. But to imply that Obama has made things worse is bullshiat.

/Obama ain't the greatest, but by God the guy is doing a damn sight better than anyone else we have around.
// Will vote Obama again
 
2012-04-10 02:18:06 PM  
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2012-04-10 06:25:30 AM
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A professional community organizer? I can't believe you typed that with a straight face. And his actual performance as president????

Let's see, today every fifth man in America is out of a job. Twenty percent of American men are out of work. Black male unemployment is now at the highest rate it has ever been since the US government began collecting statistics on the subject in 1972. Every seventh person you pass on the sidewalk now relies on food stamps. On the last day of President Bush's presidency, gas prices were $1.84 a gallon. Today under Obama, the average price of a gallon of gas costs $3.94. And $4.29 out in California. Easter weekend in Catalina Island, California, drivers saw prices topping $7 a gallon. In 2006 and 2007, 90% of all college graduates found a job. Under Obama, just 56% of college graduates are able to find a job. More than one in four U.S. homeowners are 'under water' or owe more than their homes are worth. President Obama has increased the national debt more in three years than President Bush did in eight. A record 87,897,000 Americans are no longer in the labor force. When the number of individuals who have stopped looking for a job and/or who are working part-time but desire full-time employment is included -- a figure known as the 'underemployment rate' -- real unemployment stands at 19.1.

Obama's record as president--yeah, he's doing REEAAALLL good, ain't he? Never send a community organizer to do a President's job!

Gosh, I seem to recall this huge crash thingie in 2008, and 3 years of Republicans blocking nearly everything proposed to get us out of the mess.


Uh, the Repubs took over the House in 2010, two years ago. Up till then, Congress was controlled by Dems. Obama passed through everything he wanted and everything got WORSE.
 
2012-04-10 02:38:51 PM  

DirkValentine: To say that people are going to say they are worse off than four years ago is just plain stupid.


Not if you are in fact, worse off than you were 4 years ago. Many are. YOU may not feel it, YOU may not see it, but it is truly absurd to simply declare anyone who says they are WRONG.

But to imply that Obama has made things worse is bullshiat.

Many people aren't implying it,they are directly saying it. And (gasp!) they may not be wrong in saying so:

I can give you a number of examples I have personally seen:

My company healthcare costs have gone up double digits every year since Obama passed healthcare reform.
The red-tape and hoops I have to go through to purchase a new home are exponentially and needlessly obtuse in a variety of ways that I can tie DIRECTLY to changes in the regulations that Obama pushed through. Both my wife and I have impeccible credit.
As a direct result of Obama's changes to the credit card industry, we have had infrequently used credit cards dropped, and the costs of our credit cards we retain has gone UP due to fees.
I live near NASA, and his slashing of NASA's budget has definately hurt the local economy.
Unemployment is still very high. There have so far only been very minor decreases in the number of people claiming unemployment, but new jobs are not keeping pace and I know college degreed, experienced people who are still without work, and not for lack of trying.

So I can honestly say that many of the changes that Obama and this administration have made have adversley affected me, rather than benefited me. Things are MORE difficult now than they were 4 years ago, and many of the cases (but not all) it is a direct result of Obama's actions.

You will forgive me if I don't ignore all of that in favor of an extra $20 a week of my own money not being taken.

Further:
"President Barack Obama's 2013 budget plan would raise taxes for 27 percent of U.S. households in 2013, far more than the administration estimates, according to a nonpartisan study." (new window)

DirkValentine: Look : the guy has cut taxes and the unemployment rate is decreasing.


Besdies a Temporary Payroll tax cut, can you point to anything else? Unemployment CLAIMS have marginally decreased, and are still at record highs.

Now, YOU may not have the same adverse effects. YOUR mileage may vary, and you can vote for whomever you wish for whatever reason you wish, and I am happy for you to do so.

But if we be objective for a moment here: Obama ran for the job on the promise that he could fix the economy, and as far as we can see all he has gotten done is very small improvements in a few specific areas. Massive spending, Massive deficets, and nominal improvement, if any, in most measures of the economy. At best we can say he didn't make it worse. We might even argue that he kept it from being worse than it was, but it's hard to 'prove' that.

// Will vote Obama again

Good for you.I doubt I will. I do not see any great plan for recovery coming from Obama other than a nearly obsessive desire to raise the taxes on the rich, which I just don't think is going to do a damn thing FIX the economy.

And so far, I haven't seen anything from Romney that tells me HE has a plan either.
 
2012-04-10 03:04:34 PM  
Why the hell do people care about tax returns. Most people do not even understand their own tax returns. What are we going to see from Mitt Romney that would really shock us? Oh, he made a shiat ton of money over the past 23 years...not a big surprise there.

Same goes with all other documents people whine and complain for like it means something. Like college dissertations or college GPA. Why the fark does it matter?! Look at what the person is doing now.
 
2012-04-10 03:10:22 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: But if we be objective for a moment here: Obama ran for the job on the promise that he could fix the economy, and as far as we can see all he has gotten done is very small improvements in a few specific areas. Massive spending, Massive deficets, and nominal improvement, if any, in most measures of the economy. At best we can say he didn't make it worse. We might even argue that he kept it from being worse than it was, but it's hard to 'prove' that.


Have the Dems and Obama not tried to push through legislation only to get cockblocked by the Reps? And yes, I think that Obama caves WAY too much, too easily but to say that they have basically failed ... well, I just don't see it that way. I think the obstructionist/scorched earth policies of the Reps have done far more damage and hindered the recovery more than anything else.
 
2012-04-10 03:12:59 PM  

ActionJoe: Why the hell do people care about tax returns. Most people do not even understand their own tax returns. What are we going to see from Mitt Romney that would really shock us? Oh, he made a shiat ton of money over the past 23 years...not a big surprise there.

Same goes with all other documents people whine and complain for like it means something. Like college dissertations or college GPA. Why the fark does it matter?! Look at what the person is doing now.


Most of it is political, but due diligence is important.
 
2012-04-10 03:13:33 PM  
Well, it looks like I did my job here.

I really don't give a carp about his undergrad grades. Since they haven't been released, but he eventually did pretty well in grad school, he followed the path many of us did--had a little too much fun from 18-22, but then grew up and took his future seriously.

But that isn't the point. Arguing about the minutia is distracting on every level. For every attack on one side about undergrad grades is an attack from the other about tax returns. They're all worthless distractions. Let's just agree BO developed into a master manipulator via the Chicago Way, and Romney is a rich guy who probably mastered legal tax avoidance.

Let the discussion of actual issues commence.

/And GW was a dum-dum in many ways. Even before the horrors of 9-11 and the resulting defining issues, I thought he was way too moderate and planned on messing up the budget. And he eventually did.
 
2012-04-10 03:43:31 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: Look, as I said before, if the Romney campaign had asked for 15 years of tax returns, and then refused to coimmit to doing the same, we would all be pointing at laughing at them. But TODAY, in THIS instance, it was the Obama campaign that made a mis-step


If one guy has released 12 years, and the other 1, and the first guy says "hey, back in the day you thought 23 years was a good amount, why don't you show 23 years" and the second guy replies "I won't do that. You do it" then I am not surprised that the first guy says "nah".

In that scenario, the second guy is the bigger tool. Now, had Romney released 23 years and then Obama refused to, then I'd agree with you that the screw up rests on Obama's shoulders. Instead we have Obama who has released more than Romney, who is refusing to release even 12 years, despite both a past of insisting on 23, as well as a present situation of being behind Obama by 11 years.

I'm really sick of concern trolling and bsrb bullshiat when it comes to these things. I've watched the liberal, such as it is, candidate get smeared as ivory tower elitists who are out of touch with the people even while the conservative candidates go to the same colleges and are immensely wealthy themselves. Why the rich guy who wants to spread wealth to the poor and is generally less hawkish on foreign wars can successfully be painted as the elitist I've no farking clue. The guy who sends the poor off to die and increase taxes on the poor to pay for those deaths while cutting safety nets; that is the farking guy who is elitist.

ActionJoe: Why the hell do people care about tax returns. Most people do not even understand their own tax returns. What are we going to see from Mitt Romney that would really shock us? Oh, he made a shiat ton of money over the past 23 years...not a big surprise there.


Well, especially with regards to romney, we'll likely see a history of him paying fewer taxes than the poor while at the same time insisting the poor need more skin in the game and claiming the rich are overburdened with taxes. I think its obvious why he wouldn't want to show that. The problem isn't the way their live their lives, it is the arguments they make to get voters on their side when their own experiences make them hypocrites.
 
2012-04-10 03:58:48 PM  

DirkValentine: Have the Dems and Obama not tried to push through legislation only to get cockblocked by the Reps?


Obama had complete control for the first two years and got done pretty much anything he wanted done, even with every single Republican voting against.

If you want to make that argument, then you would have to concede that it is only in the last year or so that things have begun to slightly improve - since the Republicans have been 'stopping Obama'. I don't think that is the argument you are trying to make.

I think the obstructionist/scorched earth policies of the Reps have done far more damage and hindered the recovery more than anything else.

I understand you feel that way.

But I also notice that you completely flew past various examples provided of the things that Obama DID do that have had an adverse impact on many Americans. When the question is "Do some Americans have a valid complaint that Obama's policies have made their lives worse, not better?" pointing to Republicans STOPPING him from doing things is not an objectively compelling counter argument.

Now you can certainly fele that Republicans would be worse, and you are perfectly entitled to that opinion. You can even point to some valid arguments that would support that position. But I would suggest that you remember that Obama's performance is not actually improved because Republicans might have been worse.

And there are a lot of your fellow Americans that can very validly say that their lives are not better since Obama has been in office.
 
2012-04-10 03:59:46 PM  

DirkValentine: And yes, I think that Obama caves WAY too much, too easily but to say that they have basically failed ... well, I just don't see it that way


Also, did you have any other examples of 'tax-cuts' for average Americans other than the temorary and tiny payroll tax reduction?
 
2012-04-10 04:04:24 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: Obama had complete control for the first two years and got done pretty much anything he wanted done, even with every single Republican voting against.


Link (new window)

Honestly man, for a non-Republican you sure spout a lot of GOP talking points. When the first line of your post is a lie why bother taking the rest seriously?
 
2012-04-10 04:04:47 PM  

Smackledorfer: If one guy has released 12 years, and the other 1, and the first guy says "hey, back in the day you thought 23 years was a good amount, why don't you show 23 years" and the second guy replies "I won't do that. You do it" then I am not surprised that the first guy says "nah".


That's not what happened though.

Obama's campaign held a press conference and said " We want Romney to show us the last 23 years of tax returns". A reporter asked "Would Obama be willing to do the same thing?"

The Obama campaign said "we won't commit to doing the very same thing we are asking Romney to do - next question."

Spin, disemble, sitract, mischaricterize, recast it all you want.

They put their foot in their mouth and got egg on thier face. Why is it so hard for some of you to just say "Woops! That was a dumb move no matter who made it"

The world will keep on spinning.
 
2012-04-10 04:08:31 PM  

Smackledorfer: BojanglesPaladin: Look, as I said before, if the Romney campaign had asked for 15 years of tax returns, and then refused to coimmit to doing the same, we would all be pointing at laughing at them. But TODAY, in THIS instance, it was the Obama campaign that made a mis-step

If one guy has released 12 years, and the other 1, and the first guy says "hey, back in the day you thought 23 years was a good amount, why don't you show 23 years" and the second guy replies "I won't do that. You do it" then I am not surprised that the first guy says "nah".

In that scenario, the second guy is the bigger tool. Now, had Romney released 23 years and then Obama refused to, then I'd agree with you that the screw up rests on Obama's shoulders.



The screw-up here does rest with the Obama campaign. His campaign manager shouldn't have tried to push the suggestion Romney should release 23 years of returns without first making sure they were in a position to do the same if asked.

That said, I can understand him being surprised that a journalist actually gave a bit of pushback rather than just doing the usual and ferrying this talking point across to the Romney campaign for a response.
 
2012-04-10 04:12:49 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: DirkValentine: And yes, I think that Obama caves WAY too much, too easily but to say that they have basically failed ... well, I just don't see it that way

Also, did you have any other examples of 'tax-cuts' for average Americans other than the temorary and tiny payroll tax reduction?


No, I guess not. Not off the top of my head.

My point was to point out to the poster I was replying to that to just lay it all on Obama like that is disingenuous at best, bald face lying at worst.

What could Obama have done in the face of the Republicans blatant abuse of the filibuster? I just don't understand how that can be overlooked.
 
2012-04-10 04:27:45 PM  

Thrag: cman: Lets just agree to disagree. We will be running in circles all night if we didnt.

You are clearly missing the purpose of the Fark's comment threads ;)


I DONT THINK HE IS MISSING THE PURPOSE AT ALL
FURTHER, YOUR MOTHER IS A WHORE
 
2012-04-10 04:36:04 PM  

DirkValentine: My point was to point out to the poster I was replying to that to just lay it all on Obama like that is disingenuous at best, bald face lying at worst.


Not really. He's the man. The buck stops at his desk. He asked for the responsibility. He came in and enacted sweeping, big-scale changes in nearly every major industry. The American people are most certainly correct to hold him accountable for the good and the bad.

A president who's main line of defense is effectively saying " The reason I've been less than succesful is because I can't work effectively with congress - so give me another four years" is not making a compelling case for re-election.

Even if you 100% feel that the Republicans are stonewalling him, (despite his failure to make significant headway when he had as close to carte blanche as a President is ever likely to see), that situation is going to still be there after the election. If he can't get the job done now, why should we give him another four years to keep trying to do the same things that haven't worked yet?

Look. My biggest concern last election about Obama was that he was simply too new and too inexperienced and lacked the fundementals of beltway politics to be effective. I think the last year and a half have proven me right. He has a real problem with handling and effectively working around and through "No" from congress.

I know he's supposed to be a fan of Reagan's political acumen, but he really needs to study how Reagan and Clinton managed to effectively administrate with a hostile congress, becasue like him or love him, Obama just ain't getting it done.

He's too dead set on proving the other side wrong. Too pre-occupied with scoring political points and preventing the other team from gettng any points. He's too stingy with credit for good things and too focused on blame shifting.

This is NOT condonoing the Republicans who are ALSO acting poorly. But if you recall, Obama promised post-partisan politics - a new way of doing things - a transcendance from the broken way Washington had been doing things.

Instead he has become even more devisive. Even more prone to blaming everything on the the opposition. Even more petty and accusatory when he doesn't get his way.

Obama had the potential to be a transformative President. Instead he has become a paragon of partisanship. He has become smaller in the office. He shoudl have been magnaminous, and instead has trended toward petty,
 
2012-04-10 04:52:45 PM  

Gyrfalcon: tenpoundsofcheese: cameroncrazy1984:
Obama hasn't given anyone 23 years of tax returns. He has given the public 12 years.

Romney has seen fit to give McCain 23 years of returns. But he's only released one to the public.

McCain gets to see 23 years, but we only get to see 1.

That's the double standard.

Standard for what exactly.
Apples and oranges.
Remind me, was Romney a candidate for office when he let McCain see his records?

Are you saying that everything that 0bama discloses to his backers should be publicly released?

I'd like to see your DNA test, proving you belong to the genus Homo. Or indeed to the phylum Vertebrata.


Funny you mention DNA. I remember when there were serious calls from some of the birthers to have Obama's mother, grandmother and grandfather exhumed and have his DNA tested against theirs to prove that they are really his family.

I just find it funny after all the demands from the right for Obama to show whatever documents they can think of, Obama makes a request to see tax returns and they get all offended by it.
 
2012-04-10 04:53:03 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: Instead he has become even more devisive. Even more prone to blaming everything on the the opposition. Even more petty and accusatory when he doesn't get his way.

Obama had the potential to be a transformative President. Instead he has become a paragon of partisanship. He has become smaller in the office. He shoudl have been magnaminous, and instead has trended toward petty,


Heh it's not like Republicans called it their number one priority to make Obama a one-term president. Link (new window)

Your sanctimonious concern trolling is noted yet again.
 
2012-04-10 05:16:09 PM  
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BojanglesPaladin: Instead he has become even more devisive. Even more prone to blaming everything on the the opposition. Even more petty and accusatory when he doesn't get his way.

Obama had the potential to be a transformative President. Instead he has become a paragon of partisanship. He has become smaller in the office. He shoudl have been magnaminous, and instead has trended toward petty,

Heh it's not like Republicans called it their number one priority to make Obama a one-term president. Link (new window)

Your sanctimonious concern trolling is noted yet again.


Of course they want to make him a one term president, how the hell is that news? Stated, or implied, it is the job of each major party to win elections.
 
2012-04-10 05:24:51 PM  

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BojanglesPaladin: Instead he has become even more devisive. Even more prone to blaming everything on the the opposition. Even more petty and accusatory when he doesn't get his way.

Obama had the potential to be a transformative President. Instead he has become a paragon of partisanship. He has become smaller in the office. He shoudl have been magnaminous, and instead has trended toward petty,

Heh it's not like Republicans called it their number one priority to make Obama a one-term president. Link (new window)

Your sanctimonious concern trolling is noted yet again.

Of course they want to make him a one term president, how the hell is that news? Stated, or implied, it is the job of each major party to win elections.


Top priority? I thought it was doing things for their constituents and country. Not sabotaging it.
 
2012-04-10 05:42:58 PM  

jpo2269: Of course they want to make him a one term president, how the hell is that news? Stated, or implied, it is the job of each major party to win elections.


Shhhh. That's obvious and he/she knows it. He/She's just trying to find someone to play slap-fight with. Do what the rest of us do. Use the ignore button for what it was intended for.
 
2012-04-10 05:45:35 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: jpo2269: Of course they want to make him a one term president, how the hell is that news? Stated, or implied, it is the job of each major party to win elections.

Shhhh. That's obvious and he/she knows it. He/She's just trying to find someone to play slap-fight with. Do what the rest of us do. Use the ignore button for what it was intended for.


Nope just pointing out your bs as usual. Claiming partisanship in DC is all Obama's fault is blatantly dishonest from you as usual.
 
2012-04-10 05:49:11 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: DirkValentine: My point was to point out to the poster I was replying to that to just lay it all on Obama like that is disingenuous at best, bald face lying at worst.

Not really. He's the man. The buck stops at his desk. He asked for the responsibility. He came in and enacted sweeping, big-scale changes in nearly every major industry. The American people are most certainly correct to hold him accountable for the good and the bad.

A president who's main line of defense is effectively saying " The reason I've been less than succesful is because I can't work effectively with congress - so give me another four years" is not making a compelling case for re-election.

Even if you 100% feel that the Republicans are stonewalling him, (despite his failure to make significant headway when he had as close to carte blanche as a President is ever likely to see), that situation is going to still be there after the election. If he can't get the job done now, why should we give him another four years to keep trying to do the same things that haven't worked yet?

Look. My biggest concern last election about Obama was that he was simply too new and too inexperienced and lacked the fundementals of beltway politics to be effective. I think the last year and a half have proven me right. He has a real problem with handling and effectively working around and through "No" from congress.

I know he's supposed to be a fan of Reagan's political acumen, but he really needs to study how Reagan and Clinton managed to effectively administrate with a hostile congress, becasue like him or love him, Obama just ain't getting it done.

He's too dead set on proving the other side wrong. Too pre-occupied with scoring political points and preventing the other team from gettng any points. He's too stingy with credit for good things and too focused on blame shifting.

This is NOT condonoing the Republicans who are ALSO acting poorly. But if you recall, Obama promised post-partisan politics - a new way of ...


Your argument sounds reasonable until you compare the number of filibusters under Obama vs those under Clinton or Reagan. The fact is that the Republicans have decided to make everything as difficult as possible. You're right in that Obama had about 6 months of a filibuster proof majority and he got quite a lot done in that time, but needing 60 votes in the Senate and never getting more than a handful of opposition support in the House should not be the benchmark for passing legislation.

You might say that both sides are bad, and it's true that there were more Democratic filibusters under Bush than there had been the last time the Democrats controlled the Senate, but this was a natural escalation to what happened in Congress under Clinton. Moreover, Bush was allowed to get up or down votes on his signature pieces of legislation and found willing actors in Democratic Senators. The Republican congressmen aren't interested in governing, simply stonewalling the Democrats.
 
2012-04-10 05:51:57 PM  

Stile4aly: Your argument sounds reasonable until you compare the number of filibusters under Obama vs those under Clinton or Reagan. The fact is that the Republicans have decided to make everything as difficult as possible. You're right in that Obama had about 6 months of a filibuster proof majority and he got quite a lot done in that time, but needing 60 votes in the Senate and never getting more than a handful of opposition support in the House should not be the benchmark for passing legislation.


Lets not forget that one of those 60 votes was a senator who campaigned for Obama's opponent in 2008 and was a speaker at the RNC. Not to mention almost got the VP slot.
 
2012-04-10 06:17:40 PM  

Vangor: Elmo Jones: The half she finished, yes.

I wish people would stop harping on the woman and saying she leaves things half unfinished. This is blatantly untrue. She had 18 months left in her 4 year term, which means she leaves things 3/8s unfinished.


I was told there would be no math.
 
2012-04-10 06:22:51 PM  

Wyalt Derp: thamike: F*cking precedent, how does it work?

Sarah Palin can explain that to you, just don't ask her about the Vice-Precedent.


Ha! She should be willing to explain Vice-Precedent out of sheer principal.
 
2012-04-10 06:37:35 PM  

Stile4aly: Your argument sounds reasonable until you compare the number of filibusters under Obama vs those under Clinton or Reagan.


I'm not arguing that THIS congress isn't being real hard asses. But if we are to compare, this one hasn't impeached Obama either, and Clinton still got shiat done. I guess it depends on what you want to compare with.

But it doesn't matter. Obama is not able to navigate a succesful way to deal with a very difficult congress. I am just not interested in "but it's not his FAULT, really - it's the other guys!".

We all agree that it's REALLY REAALY hard for the poor guy. It just ain't fair. But I also expect that the man we elect to be President has some big boy pants and figure out a way to make it work. It's up to him to make peace with the assholes, to smooth over the acrimony, to find some common ground and show some love for the bastards, share some of the glory, take some of the blame. But make it about the policy, not the politics.

He's supposed to be the AMERICAN President, not the DEMOCRAT President. He's supposed to rise above the partisan bickering and leave that to the congressmen to haggle amongst themselves like the retarded school children most of them are.

If he can't, then he needs to sack up and let someone else give it a go. I wish the Democrats would have at least offered another Democrat for this primary. I think it is stupid to give an encumbant an auto-renew, and it is not in the best interest of the Country. Is the best the Democrats have to offer a feeble minimally succesful encumbant with little hope of changing the game in the next term? Honestly, has Obama been such an unequivocal success in turning this country around that he's a shoo-in for a landslide victory of popular supoport? I don't think so. Does anyone really? Where are the Obama Republicans? Where is the unification of the country under a transformational President?

I am extremely disapointed in the factionalism and partisanship that the POTUS has chosen to engage in. But even if I wasn't, when I look at what he has tried to get done, much less what he has actually gotten done, I don't see much that encourages me to see if he can do more of it for the next four years.

And I'm still pissed at the Republicans for offering nothing better than a 'least likely to offend the greatest number of people' candidate. For the life of me, I couldn't tell you what Romney's plan for America actually is with a gun to my head.

A pox on both their houses.
 
2012-04-10 06:40:38 PM  
pant pant pant...

/steps down from soap box.
 
2012-04-10 08:54:09 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: pant pant pant...

/steps down from soap box.


Stop huffing detergent.
 
2012-04-10 09:19:41 PM  
BojanglesPaladin SmartestFunniest 2012-04-10 05:42:58 PM


jpo2269: Of course they want to make him a one term president, how the hell is that news? Stated, or implied, it is the job of each major party to win elections.

Shhhh. That's obvious and he/she knows it. He/She's just trying to find someone to play slap-fight with. Do what the rest of us do. Use the ignore button for what it was intended for.


While I won't use the "ignore" button, never have, I will however take your sage advice
 
2012-04-10 11:01:59 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: cman: cameroncrazy1984: cman: farkin pwned

Obama's released 12 years. How many has Romney released again?

I'll save you some time: one.

"You should release 23 years of tax returns but we wont do the same"

Double standards, eh?

FTFA:

""This is the standard that Romney set when he was talking to McCain about the [vice presidency]" he said"

Whose standards are double, again?


Obama almost doubled the double standard.
Quadruple standard?
 
2012-04-10 11:47:38 PM  

funk_soul_bubby: Meanwhile, on Drudge...

[i292.photobucket.com image 472x612]


Whiskey. Tango. Foxtrot?
 
2012-04-11 12:41:42 AM  

thamike: Stop huffing detergent.


At least, switch to liquid.
 
2012-04-11 02:28:45 AM  

BojanglesPaladin: Stile4aly: Your argument sounds reasonable until you compare the number of filibusters under Obama vs those under Clinton or Reagan.

I'm not arguing that THIS congress isn't being real hard asses. But if we are to compare, this one hasn't impeached Obama either, and Clinton still got shiat done. I guess it depends on what you want to compare with.

But it doesn't matter. Obama is not able to navigate a succesful way to deal with a very difficult congress. I am just not interested in "but it's not his FAULT, really - it's the other guys!".

We all agree that it's REALLY REAALY hard for the poor guy. It just ain't fair. But I also expect that the man we elect to be President has some big boy pants and figure out a way to make it work. It's up to him to make peace with the assholes, to smooth over the acrimony, to find some common ground and show some love for the bastards, share some of the glory, take some of the blame. But make it about the policy, not the politics.

He's supposed to be the AMERICAN President, not the DEMOCRAT President. He's supposed to rise above the partisan bickering and leave that to the congressmen to haggle amongst themselves like the retarded school children most of them are.


The Republicans have shown no interest in making peace. They rejected even negotiating over a health care plan that included many ideas that originated as Republican alternatives to Clinton-care. They rejected a deficit reduction deal that would have included cuts to Medicare and Social Security. They rejected all thought of cap and trade which again started as a Republican proposal for dealing with global warming. All the while they have whispered about him being a Muslim or a Kenyan to undermine his very legitimacy. They have shouted at him in the middle of a State of the Union.

If Obama were really serious about bulldozing over the objections of Republicans he would have convinced Harry Reid to change the filibuster rules at the start of the 111th Congress or would have pushed for the Senate to invoke the nuclear option. Instead he has been accommodating and open to a fault and still he is blamed by the likes of you for being intransigent and divisive.
 
2012-04-11 11:58:27 AM  

Stile4aly: The Republicans have shown no interest in making peace. They rejected even negotiating over a health care plan that included many ideas that originated as Republican alternatives to Clinton-care. They rejected a deficit reduction deal that would have included cuts to Medicare and Social Security. They rejected all thought of cap and trade which again started as a Republican proposal for dealing with global warming. All the while they have whispered about him being a Muslim or a Kenyan to undermine his very legitimacy. They have shouted at him in the middle of a State of the Union.


Kinda missing my point, I'm not disputing that the Republicans are bad actors. (Although I will point out that each of the examples you describe also included 'poison pill' provisions that the Republicans would never accept, no matter how many 'good' things were in it.) And that's sorta what I'm getting at. If you KNOW the Republicans have sworn a blood-oath not to raise a single tax anywhere, then why insist that every damn thing include some provision for increasing taxes?

My point is that it is not the President's job to be succesful when they have a supportive congress. His job is to mediate and implement what Congress passes. To find a way to arrive at a workable solution despite very divergent interests, priorities and perspectives. To make the intractable flexible, and to reconcile the adverserial. When someone is acting like a child, you don;t win by acting like a child too.

Instead, he has become more and more devisive and derisive. Sure, the Republicans are a bunch of poopoo heads. Obama shouldn't be trying to out-poopoo head them. He's supposed to transcend the bitter partisanship and do what's best for the country. Not just becasue that's what he PROMISED to do to get elected, but because that is the role of the President, no matter what party.

And Again, Obama is the President of the United States, not the appointed head of the Democrat party. He's supposed to represent ALL Americans' interests, not just the people who voted for him. He has to take into account the opinions of others, even if he may not personally agree with it. It's not his way or the Highway, it's OUR way.

Instead of transcending beltway politics, he has excacerbated them. He showed such promise to really change the tone in the wake of the hate-fest that was the last few years of GW.

I am disapoint.He has HELPED to make it worse.
 
2012-04-11 02:40:12 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: (Although I will point out that each of the examples you describe also included 'poison pill' provisions that the Republicans would never accept, no matter how many 'good' things were in it.)


Well, that is the entire problem with playing a bsrb card, and the entire reason people so frequently accuse you of concern trolling. You are basically saying if team B won't accept something that is 9/10ths what they like and 1/10th what they don't like, then that 1/10th is a mitigating excuse for their obstructionism. Then you move on and blame the other side for not getting things done, and rant about team A's ability apparent inability to "represent ALL American's interests, not just the people who voted for him".

Furthermore, it is NOT the president's responsibility to please everybody. If a president runs on a platform of "I'm going to do X" and the majority of the nation votes for him, and lo and behold he does X, you don't get to biatch about him not focusing on the agenda of the people who didn't vote for him. You can't please everybody. That is going to be true whether it is my guy, your guy, or some guy neither of us want as president.

I understand what you'd LIKE to have happen. You'd like to have Barack Obama somehow magically get republicans on board to do the things he campaigned that he would do. They didn't get on board. They've said their number one goal is prevent his re-election, and their candidates pledge to undo pretty much everything he did.



How about this: what should Barack Obama have done differently such that you think it would have resulted in him accomplishing more of his election promises? In what ways could he represent all american's interests better? Please don't say something silly like 'if he just compromised a teeny bit more, republicans would have smiled, shook his hand, and partisanship would have ended' because that is just unrealistic.
 
2012-04-11 08:32:29 PM  

Smackledorfer: You are basically saying if team B won't accept something that is 9/10ths what they like and 1/10th what they don't like, then that 1/10th is a mitigating excuse for their obstructionism


You are adding something that I do not have. I am not defending or excusing the Republicans here. I have said point blank that they are bad actors, assholes, bastards and childish poopoo heads. What else do you want?

I am saying that when you KNOW the other guys are assholes, bastards and childish poopoo heads, why deliberately and consistantly hit them with things that you KNOW are going to make them go apoplectic? Sure it's fun and it makes them look foolish, but there's a job that needs doing and that's not helping move forward. It may be good politics, but it's lousy policy, and I don't vote for President to see who can do the best job of making the other team look stupid.

That's not what being President is for. Obama's doing it wrong. He's trying to win the wrong contest. It's not about who's better between him and Republicans. It's about who's better at improving the country. It's not about defeating this or that, it's about building consensus for the common good. He could be so much more effective if he could diffuse the acrimony and stop wasting his time slap-fighting with the Republicans. He can do more with them than without them, or at least not so motivated to stop him on evverything.

I honestly, earnestly hoped Obama would maximize his potential to turn this bullshiat around. He was uniquely positioned to transcend blue-team/red-team distraction politics and become a President OF THE PEOPLE, not a President of his team.

What could he have done different? Maybe not spent months giving stump speeches about how the Repupblicans were solely responsible for the economic mess and sat drinking slurpees with their pinkees out. Maybe put a few Republicans in his cabinet. Maybe openly supported a republican sponsored bill or two, just to demonstrate it could be done. Praise them generously when they could be. Maybe not so openly push through legislation against 100% party opposition. Set an EXAMPLE of magnanimoty, not just the minimum lip service required. He would look the better man, and take some of the hot air out of the Tea Party jackasses. Cozy up to the more moderate powers in the party. Learn from Reagan - have drinks after work with them, get them on sytage with you for big events. For fark's sake GW and Ted Kennedy could work together on no Child left behind, and that was an aawful piece fo shiat.

And for God's sake, stop biatching that it's always someone else's fault when he can't get the things done he wants. Whether it's the past, or congress, or the Supreme court, or the rich, or the american people. he needs to go dust of Truman's "The buck stops here" sign.

I listen to a LOT of his speeches, and since the election, I can't recall a single one where he hasn't taken the opportunity to blame SOMETHING on the Republicans. I'm not arguing that he isn't right. I'm saying he needs to lay off. It's not helping and it's making it worse. He is creating division with his derisiveness.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again:

Obama had the potential to be a GREAT President. But I think he got to the Oval Office way too soon, and simply didn't have the political maturity to best maximize his potentials. He also hadn't a big failure yet. He had a fast track to success and I think it cost him some perspective. He could have been a statesman with the political juice to be above the fray. Instead he has become a smaller man in a big office. And god help me, it seems to be getting worse.

/just my .02 since you asked :)
 
2012-04-11 11:46:35 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: What could he have done different? Maybe not spent months giving stump speeches about how the Repupblicans were solely responsible for the economic mess and sat drinking slurpees with their pinkees out. Maybe put a few Republicans in his cabinet.


What, you mean like Defense Secretary Robert Gates, Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner, Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood, Army Secretary John McHugh, and Jon Huntsman as ambassador to China?

Maybe openly supported a republican sponsored bill or two, just to demonstrate it could be done.

You mean like Obamacare? Wait, if Obama supported it, Republicans would oppose it just on principle, so Obama supporting a Republican bill would be a sure way to ensure it doesn't pass congress. Obama was even told by the Democrats in congress not to endorse a deficit reduction plan just so they could get Republicans on board.


Praise them generously when they could be. Maybe not so openly push through legislation against 100% party opposition.

Being how Republicans seem to vote as a single block, most of party opposition seems to be 100% or close to it.

Set an EXAMPLE of magnanimoty, not just the minimum lip service required. He would look the better man, and take some of the hot air out of the Tea Party jackasses. Cozy up to the more moderate powers in the party. Learn from Reagan - have drinks after work with them, get them on sytage with you for big events. For fark's sake GW and Ted Kennedy could work together on no Child left behind, and that was an aawful piece fo shiat.

Do we really need more awful piece of shiat legislation with Obama's name on it? I mean, Obama has only vetoed two bills so far, the last president to have fewer vetoes was James Garfield. If congress can't get legislation passed, it really is the fault of congress and not the president. Obama playing nicer (I think he has been playing nice all things considered) would just be taken as a sign of weakness by Republicans, who would just become more recalcitrant. At some point you have to stop playing their game, even if that means more conflict in the short term.
 
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