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2012-04-10 08:11:52 AM  

rocky_howard:
3.- Marlon Brando. You think Marlon didn't catch heat when he went from perfect Adonis to human sized zeppelin?


Francis Ford Coppola nods understandingly.
 
2012-04-10 08:17:07 AM  

Jim_Callahan: you're a film actor, your only worth actually lies in the reduction of your personhood to simple physical objectification.


This would be true, if you were limiting your films to porn.

Which I suppose is entirely possible.
 
2012-04-10 08:20:24 AM  

karasoth: When your famous on your image you sell your image. When people value something they are curious about it.

If you want no one to care about your puffy face: don't be famous


So our society's appearance fetish and complete ignorance of substance is entirely normal and healthy.

Gotcha.
 
2012-04-10 08:25:58 AM  

Babwa Wawa: Jim_Callahan: you're a film actor, your only worth actually lies in the reduction of your personhood to simple physical objectification.

This would be true, if you were limiting your films to porn.

Which I suppose is entirely possible.


It's a generally true statement, if you're an actor in a leading role in a film that isn't a comedy or quirky drama that requires a fat/goofy looking actor. Meaning most of the roles Ashley's done.

Hey, guess what male actor who was once a handsome leading man who is constantly berated for turning into a fat fark who didn't feel the need to write an essay about it, Ashley? Your on-screen husband from Heat, Val Kilmer!
 
2012-04-10 08:32:30 AM  
Awesome essay. I think it is sad how our society is so against being natural. I'm not talking hairy legs and no makeup, but having procedures done to go against their bodies. I am 28 and I am shocked how many of my lady friends regularly get botox, face peels, etc and two have had boob jobs (one had complications and had to have them removed, but is already planning another one...and she is a natural C-cup!). I've decided I'm okay with wrinkles (and have some forming around my eyes, the HORROR!) and accepted a long time ago I'm okay with my small chest because that is who I am. I work out so I can maintain a figure that is flattering for my chest size, eat well, and do some basic skincare management (fish oil pills, remove makeup every night, put on a moisturizer, and I'm done). I do NOT tan and am always putting on the sunscreen which means I'm ghost white all the time. I naturally have good skin, so why would I leather it up by tanning? I decided this is my body, so I better flaunt my assets and have enough confidence that when my husband says I'm beautiful he really means it (and I don't care what anyone else thinks).

My friends who have had all these crazy procedures still feel crappy about themselves. They tan to feel beautiful, get botox to counter the effects of tanning to feel beautiful, get plastic surgery to feel beautiful, and in the end they never feel beautiful about themselves. It is always "well if I had a nose job I would be perfect", then they get it and think "Ugh, when did my butt get saggy? Guess I'll need a butt lift". All of them are either divorced and/or single because it is draining being around someone who is so down on themselves. Sadly, all these women were beautiful from the beginning, but magazines and celebrity culture (a.k.a. photoshop) have given them unrealistic expectations. They do all this hoping to meet a nice guy, but usually end up with a superficial d-bag because nice guys don't want a plastic bimbo.

My two cents anyway. Be proud of who you are and take proper care of your body. It is the only one you get.
 
2012-04-10 08:32:56 AM  
I...think I've fallen for this woman.
 
2012-04-10 08:36:42 AM  

Mugato: It's a generally true statement, if you're an actor in a leading role in a film that isn't a comedy or quirky drama that requires a fat/goofy looking actor. Meaning most of the roles Ashley's done.

Hey, guess what male actor who was once a handsome leading man who is constantly berated for turning into a fat fark who didn't feel the need to write an essay about it, Ashley? Your on-screen husband from Heat, Val Kilmer!


Yes, she trades on her looks. But let's say I'm Art Vandelay - Architect. I need to wear a suit to the office. On Thursday, I go to the construction site, and the boss sees me there in khakis and a hard hat. Does the boss conclude I've "lost it"? That's the level of absurdity she's talking about here.

The media's treatment of Kilmer is no less disgusting, nasty and superficial. I'd say something about it, but I forget. Something about two wrongs and what they make.

This is not a particularly whiny piece. It poses some good questions about whether our society's obsession with superficialities is healthy for anyone.
 
2012-04-10 08:38:17 AM  
Jim_Callahan: Um... you're a film actor, your only worth actually lies in the reduction of your personhood to simple physical objectification

Wow, what a gross and laughable oversimplification.

Unless you only ever watched p0rn films in which case you are excused.
 
2012-04-10 08:42:58 AM  

Jim_Callahan: Um... you're a film actor, your only worth actually lies in the reduction of your personhood to simple physical objectification.


If that's really all you get out of films, then you need more schooling.
 
2012-04-10 08:45:58 AM  

Babwa Wawa: Yes, she trades on her looks. But let's say I'm Art Vandelay - Architect. I need to wear a suit to the office. On Thursday, I go to the construction site, and the boss sees me there in khakis and a hard hat. Does the boss conclude I've "lost it"? That's the level of absurdity she's talking about here.


I'm not saying it's right but I don't think that they always have to jump on the misogynist wagon right away because it happens with male actors as well.
 
2012-04-10 08:47:00 AM  
Sorry Ashley, while I am not in the media, I feel I must judge you and my verdict is you are still smokin hot.

I don't understand what you see in that dude you've been hanging out with these past years, but when you come to your senses, give me a call....
 
2012-04-10 08:47:27 AM  

Babwa Wawa: The media's treatment of Kilmer is no less disgusting, nasty and superficial. I'd say something about it, but I forget. Something about two wrongs and what they make.


Mugato didn't say it's alright because Kilmer is fat-shamed too, but that Judd's assessment that it's a patriarchal thing foisted upon women is incorrect, because:

1.- It's mostly women doing it to women. Why is she blaming men and going all feminist on it? It diminishes her point about paparazzi culture being despicable.

2.- Men get the treatment too. Albeit not as much as women. But it's not hetero men doing it either. So Val Kilmer porked out, beyond a short comment/surprise if you find out for the first time, who cares?
 
2012-04-10 08:50:03 AM  
Ashley Judd is a prolific actress

That was the best part!
 
2012-04-10 08:55:34 AM  

animal color: Jim_Callahan: We are described and detailed, our faces and bodies analyzed and picked apart, our worth ascertained and ascribed based on the reduction of personhood to simple physical objectification.

Um... you're a film actor, your only worth actually lies in the reduction of your personhood to simple physical objectification. If you hadn't gone out of your way to make this very thing your career, you'd probably be flipping burgers or something else for minimum wage.

Get back to me when someone doing something that actually contributes to society in some way unrelated to their appearance gets pestered on grounds of appearance. In this case it's a perfectly legitimate thing to evaluate her on.

//My impression isn't exactly mitigated by the fact that she writes like an eighth grader that just found a Thesaurus and is doing random word substitution to sound smart without really understanding the words involved fully.


Know how I can tell you don't understand acting or the English language?


He does have a point. She has made her living in an industry that thrives on objectification, particularly of women, and she has profited handsomely from it. Does anyone really think that if she had the body of Rosie O'Donnell that she would have had the same success? She may be a good actor but many people are good actors that never 'make it' because their physical appearance doesn't meet the objectification standards of the role, read : slim, youngish, attractive female. Judd owes her success in no small part to her physique and good looks, and I refuse to believe that she's not aware of this.
 
2012-04-10 08:56:44 AM  
Bet it's easier to take a biatchslap when you have a puffy face.
TAKE THAT, Detractors!
 
2012-04-10 08:58:47 AM  
media.treehugger.com

DON'T OBJECTIFY ME!

Sorry, Ashley. You're awesome, but I can't go with you here. When you've gained fortune and fame, due in part to cashing in on your attractiveness, you're fair game for scrutiny. That said, she's right that it's unfair that female politicians, scholars, etc. are often judged on their appearance.
 
2012-04-10 09:07:47 AM  
Jim_Callahan:
We are described and detailed, our faces and bodies analyzed and picked apart, our worth ascertained and ascribed based on the reduction of personhood to simple physical objectification.

Um... you're a film actor, your only worth actually lies in the reduction of your personhood to simple physical objectification. If you hadn't gone out of your way to make this very thing your career, you'd probably be flipping burgers or something else for minimum wage.


Nice try trolly mctrollerson, but in the rare non-pornographic film you may occasionally watch, you perhaps notice that actors... act.

Great essay, it was personal without being self-absorbed, and unabashedly feminist without drowning in impenetrable jargon. I feel it really cut to the core of the obnoxiously mean and catty nature of celebrity "journalism".
 
2012-04-10 09:17:58 AM  
She is still a good looking woman, but her face has gotten older, and no it was not due to steroids, or lack of sleep, she is starting to look like her mother at that age.

When you make your living off of the public, you got to take a bit of heat.
 
2012-04-10 09:22:47 AM  
I agree with a lot of what she says. But then, is it out of line for people to comment on her appearance at all? Because her face did get puffy and it was a marked change from what she has typically looked like. Yes, people absolutely malicious about it, but is it wrong to point it out at all?
 
2012-04-10 09:25:40 AM  
Nude clip of Ms. Judd from the movie "Norma Jean & Marilyn" NSFW (new window) You're welcome.
 
2012-04-10 09:33:10 AM  
She wants to have her cake and and eat it too-and makes such an eloquent case for it that I just want to sweep her up in my arms and kiss her.
 
2012-04-10 09:37:36 AM  
I think most people here are reading the essay wrong. She is not saying "Don't objectify me based on my looks!" She is saying "Hey, when nature occurs don't go to the extreme and report I've have surgery." She was on antibiotics which can cause bloating and puffiness, but rather then verifying anything the news companies went with a false story that she had plastic surgery/botox done all because at her age it is expected. These aren't gossip rags saying it either, but legitimate news sources she has worked with in the past that all they had to do was pick up a phone and check with her office. Instead, the went with the rumors because that sells more papers. I think she has every right to be annoyed about it, especially since she knows she IS in the public eye and a role model to kids and teens. If I was in that type of public eye I wouldn't want kids thinking the only way to be pretty is to stick a needle in their face, especially based on lies.
 
2012-04-10 09:40:21 AM  

funk_soul_bubby: Ashley Judd is a prolific actress

That was the best part!


I plan on using a prolific when I do her. It's dangerous for women to get pregnant at that age.
 
2012-04-10 09:41:58 AM  
The following examples are real, and come from a variety of (so-called!) legitimate news outlets (such as HuffPo, MSNBC, etc.), tabloid press, and social media:

But not F*X News, of course. Their criticism of her is legitimate.
 
2012-04-10 09:46:55 AM  

kronicfeld: Jim_Callahan: Um... you're a film actor, your only worth actually lies in the reduction of your personhood to simple physical objectification

Off the top of my head:

Orson Welles
Clint Eastwood
Jimmy Stewart
Steve Buscemi
Marlon Brando
James Gandolfini
Meryl Streep
Toni Colette
The fat girl from Precious (both of them)
etc.


Objectification is not just about young, attractive women. It's about finding the right gender/age/body type/voice that will jibe with the prejudices of the great unwashed. The actors that fit the necessary objectification criteria may be good actors, but they probably wouldn't have secured the role unless the fit "the type".
 
2012-04-10 09:47:20 AM  

greggm59: Nude clip of Ms. Judd from the movie "Norma Jean & Marilyn" NSFW (new window) You're welcome.


Okay, now I want to objectify her. If you know what I mean, and I think you do.


hailin: I think most people here are reading the essay wrong. She is not saying "Don't objectify me based on my looks!" She is saying "Hey, when nature occurs don't go to the extreme and report I've have surgery." She was on antibiotics which can cause bloating and puffiness, but rather then verifying anything the news companies went with a false story that she had plastic surgery/botox done all because at her age it is expected. These aren't gossip rags saying it either, but legitimate news sources she has worked with in the past that all they had to do was pick up a phone and check with her office. Instead, the went with the rumors because that sells more papers. I think she has every right to be annoyed about it, especially since she knows she IS in the public eye and a role model to kids and teens. If I was in that type of public eye I wouldn't want kids thinking the only way to be pretty is to stick a needle in their face, especially based on lies.


I think most of us agree the uber-scrutinizing catty gossip media is pervasive and perverse and should be nuked.
Doesn't prevent us from also thinking she wrongly attached the feminist angle when it wasn't called for and ended up partially diminishing her argument.
 
2012-04-10 09:55:46 AM  

hailin: I think most people here are reading the essay wrong. She is not saying "Don't objectify me based on my looks!" She is saying "Hey, when nature occurs don't go to the extreme and report I've have surgery."


Well then she's not saying anything that most people don't already know. And women, STOP INJECTING BOTULISM INTO YOUR FACE, IT DOESN'T WORK. I'm looking at you too, Stallone.

Face jobs, boob jobs, disease injections look like shiat. And I'm talking about Hollywood doctors. Doc Hollywood, starring Michael J. Fox. If they suck so much at it, what chance does your local cosmological doctor have?

You're either Salma Hayek/ George Clooney or you're not. If you're not the type who can get guys/girls hard/wet at 50 then you can't. Medical science can't change that. In the immortal words of Dr. McCoy, "Dammit Jim, I'm a doctor, not a miracle worker!"
 
2012-04-10 09:56:45 AM  

rocky_howard: Babwa Wawa: The media's treatment of Kilmer is no less disgusting, nasty and superficial. I'd say something about it, but I forget. Something about two wrongs and what they make.

Mugato didn't say it's alright because Kilmer is fat-shamed too, but that Judd's assessment that it's a patriarchal thing foisted upon women is incorrect, because:

1.- It's mostly women doing it to women. Why is she blaming men and going all feminist on it? It diminishes her point about paparazzi culture being despicable.


Did you even read the essay? She addresses this at length.
 
2012-04-10 09:56:53 AM  

hailin: I think most people here are reading the essay wrong. She is not saying "Don't objectify me based on my looks!" She is saying "Hey, when nature occurs don't go to the extreme and report I've have surgery." She was on antibiotics which can cause bloating and puffiness, but rather then verifying anything the news companies went with a false story that she had plastic surgery/botox done all because at her age it is expected. These aren't gossip rags saying it either, but legitimate news sources she has worked with in the past that all they had to do was pick up a phone and check with her office. Instead, the went with the rumors because that sells more papers. I think she has every right to be annoyed about it, especially since she knows she IS in the public eye and a role model to kids and teens. If I was in that type of public eye I wouldn't want kids thinking the only way to be pretty is to stick a needle in their face, especially based on lies.


I don't believe that was the gist of her essay. This wasn't a critique of journalistic standards. Her main point appeared to be that the gossip columns and unfounded rumors of surgery were symptoms of a larger societal problem with the objectification of women and putting far too much value on appearances.
 
2012-04-10 09:57:02 AM  

Mugato: funk_soul_bubby: Ashley Judd is a prolific actress

That was the best part!

I plan on using a prolific when I do her. It's dangerous for women to get pregnant at that age.


Unless you're impotent. Dario thinks he's SOOOO impotent.
 
2012-04-10 09:58:16 AM  

rocky_howard: her feminist views are too strong. Especially when she started dropping the "Patriarchy" and "it's being done to control us" stuff.

I also gagged when she said that even though it's women doing this to themselves, it was still men's fault... wTF lady? That chatty gossipy stuff is mostly done by women and gay men.


Way to miss the point. If you don't think we live in societies that disempower women on the basis of their gender and sexuality and correspondingly empower men, you're kidding yourself. You can call it "patriarchy" or you can come up with whatever other name for it that you like. (Note: gender relations are far from the only type of social relations that disempower some and correspondingly, empower others.) Most recently, it has been blatantly expressed like this: the national and state-level attacks on women's access to contraception, reproductive health services and health care for poor women in the US.

Women frequently reinforce oppressive gender and sexual norms just as men frequently break them down. The "chatty gossipy stuff" is both an expression and an encouragement of reinforcing those norms and using them as the basis of competition between women. It's a race to the farking bottom when you have whole industries dedicating to selling you on the idea that if you have cellulite, you are worthless, or if you are over age 30, you are worthless, because your sexual appeal to men and your reproductive potential is the primary source of your value as a human being. Oh, and sidenote: gay men are men, not women.
 
2012-04-10 10:00:46 AM  

fozziewazzi: Objectification is not just about young, attractive women. It's about finding the right gender/age/body type/voice that will jibe with the prejudices of the great unwashed. The actors that fit the necessary objectification criteria may be good actors, but they probably wouldn't have secured the role unless the fit "the type".


So...casting actors suited to their roles is "objectification"?
 
2012-04-10 10:13:44 AM  

bobbette: rocky_howard: her feminist views are too strong. Especially when she started dropping the "Patriarchy" and "it's being done to control us" stuff.

I also gagged when she said that even though it's women doing this to themselves, it was still men's fault... wTF lady? That chatty gossipy stuff is mostly done by women and gay men.

Way to miss the point. If you don't think we live in societies that disempower women on the basis of their gender and sexuality and correspondingly empower men, you're kidding yourself. You can call it "patriarchy" or you can come up with whatever other name for it that you like. (Note: gender relations are far from the only type of social relations that disempower some and correspondingly, empower others.) Most recently, it has been blatantly expressed like this: the national and state-level attacks on women's access to contraception, reproductive health services and health care for poor women in the US.

Women frequently reinforce oppressive gender and sexual norms just as men frequently break them down. The "chatty gossipy stuff" is both an expression and an encouragement of reinforcing those norms and using them as the basis of competition between women. It's a race to the farking bottom when you have whole industries dedicating to selling you on the idea that if you have cellulite, you are worthless, or if you are over age 30, you are worthless, because your sexual appeal to men and your reproductive potential is the primary source of your value as a human being. Oh, and sidenote: gay men are men, not women.


THIS is why you show up on my screen in a special color.

/Newsletter jib, all that.
 
2012-04-10 10:16:03 AM  

kronicfeld: Jim_Callahan: Um... you're a film actor, your only worth actually lies in the reduction of your personhood to simple physical objectification

Off the top of my head:

Orson Welles
Clint Eastwood
Jimmy Stewart
Steve Buscemi
Marlon Brando
James Gandolfini
Meryl Streep
Toni Colette
The fat girl from Precious (both of them)
etc.


Excuse me, are you actually trying to argue that Toni Colette, Meryl Streep, Marlon Brando, Jimmy Stewart, Clint Eastwood and Orson Welles are good examples of unattractive people? They are all actors who managed to continue to get work in an industry that they entered when they were young and hot and could open movies. Notably, men can be ugly and old and still have great roles written for them and women really can't, with very few exceptions.

data.whicdn.com

That's a younger Meryl Streep. If you see her on film in something like Woody Allen's Manhattan, she's got this unearthly beauty that you really can't tear your eyes away from. It gets to the point where you wish that Woody Allen would fark off so you can just watch the Meryl Streep Movie.
 
2012-04-10 10:17:26 AM  

quatchi: THIS is why you show up on my screen in a special color.

/Newsletter jib, all that.


Shouldn't you be writing things to amuse me in the politics tab? (Thanks, quatchi :D)
 
2012-04-10 10:24:15 AM  

bobbette: rocky_howard: her feminist views are too strong. Especially when she started dropping the "Patriarchy" and "it's being done to control us" stuff.

I also gagged when she said that even though it's women doing this to themselves, it was still men's fault... wTF lady? That chatty gossipy stuff is mostly done by women and gay men.

Way to miss the point. If you don't think we live in societies that disempower women on the basis of their gender and sexuality and correspondingly empower men, you're kidding yourself. You can call it "patriarchy" or you can come up with whatever other name for it that you like. (Note: gender relations are far from the only type of social relations that disempower some and correspondingly, empower others.) Most recently, it has been blatantly expressed like this: the national and state-level attacks on women's access to contraception, reproductive health services and health care for poor women in the US.

Women frequently reinforce oppressive gender and sexual norms just as men frequently break them down. The "chatty gossipy stuff" is both an expression and an encouragement of reinforcing those norms and using them as the basis of competition between women. It's a race to the farking bottom when you have whole industries dedicating to selling you on the idea that if you have cellulite, you are worthless, or if you are over age 30, you are worthless, because your sexual appeal to men and your reproductive potential is the primary source of your value as a human being.


And I agree with all of that.

My point is that the feminist stuff in this case was not only unnecessary, but detrimental from a dialectic point of view. It creates an artificial distinction that only women suffer that.. Yes, they're likely the most affected, but it doesn't mean men aren't affected. So it doesn't matter because they're men? That's sexist.

Oh, and sidenote: gay men are men, not women.

And where did I say that? But gay men are not really part of the patriarchy.
 
2012-04-10 10:40:26 AM  

rocky_howard: Babwa Wawa: The media's treatment of Kilmer is no less disgusting, nasty and superficial. I'd say something about it, but I forget. Something about two wrongs and what they make.

Mugato didn't say it's alright because Kilmer is fat-shamed too, but that Judd's assessment that it's a patriarchal thing foisted upon women is incorrect, because:

1.- It's mostly women doing it to women. Why is she blaming men and going all feminist on it? It diminishes her point about paparazzi culture being despicable.

2.- Men get the treatment too. Albeit not as much as women. But it's not hetero men doing it either. So Val Kilmer porked out, beyond a short comment/surprise if you find out for the first time, who cares?


From what I understand of feminism, they're against women doing that shiat too. Might even be more opposed to women doing it, since they're contributing to the objectification and denigration of their own. Also, feminists are also opposed to men being objectified. This is going by the doctrine of feminism, not specific individuals, so YMMV. Also, it is worse for women. Don't believe me, look at politics, something where a person's mind should count for much more than their appearance, yet what are women politicians judged on? Their looks.

It's a massive double standard too, just look at the things said about Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi, Janet Reno, Ann Coulter and many others. Yet you never heard a peep from those same individuals about Dennis Hastert, Newt Gingrich, Barnie Frank, Michael Moore, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, they're all, by objective standards, unattractive men. People don't go after Gingrich, or any other men, for being fat, yet Meghan McCain put on a couple of pounds and suddenly Laura Ingraham and others are talking about what a fatty she is.

In the end though, no matter who's doing it, it is about keeping women down. It's about maintaining the status quo. By reducing women to simply their physical appearance, they are lessened, at least in the eyes of the public. They are not to be taken seriously, as they're just things, and if they're pretty, useful things. It keeps the status quo intact, the rich old men who run everything continue on, and so it goes.
 
2012-04-10 10:43:58 AM  

Mugato: Sorry Ms. Lefler, you didn't get where you are for your acting ability


Yes, she did. Hawt chicks in Hollywood are more abundant than pennies on the sidewalk.
 
2012-04-10 10:50:38 AM  
The rest of her essay aside, when someone who makes a bajillion dollars a year more than me starts carping about "the patriarchy" holding her down, i tend to get a little eye-glazey.

There are other factors at play in why someone might want to comment about Judd's puffy face including:

1). Her job and appearance are related (mentioned above),
2). Class: poorer people like to see richer people fall, fail and become frail like them. It makes us feel better about ourselves.
3). Gossip: we feel like we know her, so we talk about her. Pretty basic human behavior there. Gives us something to chat about.
4). Industry: just as there's a whole industry around her trying to make money from her good looks and talent, there's also an industry (scandal mags) trying to profit by bringing her down. They're the yin and yang of the entertainment sector, and they need each other. She's just on the wrong side of it, at the moment.

Reducing the whole discussion to "OMG patriarchy" is absurd.

As an aside, I imagine her publicist is freaking out right about now. Yes, people are talking about her, but unless her next career move is to run for the Senate, i imagine she just made herself a lot less desirable to work with in Hollywood.
 
2012-04-10 10:52:03 AM  

LectertheChef: Also, it is worse for women. Don't believe me, look at politics, something where a person's mind should count for much more than their appearance, yet what are women politicians judged on? Their looks.


Yes, it's worse for women, I've stated that, but men don't get judged on their appearance?

Nixon Vs Kennedy Debate anyone? Kennedy's image single-handledy won him the election.

LectertheChef: It's a massive double standard too, just look at the things said about Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi, Janet Reno, Ann Coulter and many others. Yet you never heard a peep from those same individuals about Dennis Hastert, Newt Gingrich, Barnie Frank, Michael Moore, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, they're all, by objective standards, unattractive men. People don't go after Gingrich, or any other men, for being fat, yet Meghan McCain put on a couple of pounds and suddenly Laura Ingraham and others are talking about what a fatty she is.


Get out of here...

95% of the right discourse against Moore is that he's fat.

Lefties also call Limbaugh fat.
 
2012-04-10 10:54:48 AM  

jpo2269: I don't understand what you see in that dude you've been hanging out with these past years,


He has a cool car and lots of money
 
2012-04-10 10:59:58 AM  
And at the end of the article there's a link to Hottest Celebrity Beach Bodies. Nice
 
2012-04-10 11:03:14 AM  

rocky_howard: LectertheChef: Also, it is worse for women. Don't believe me, look at politics, something where a person's mind should count for much more than their appearance, yet what are women politicians judged on? Their looks.

Yes, it's worse for women, I've stated that, but men don't get judged on their appearance?

Nixon Vs Kennedy Debate anyone? Kennedy's image single-handledy won him the election.

LectertheChef: It's a massive double standard too, just look at the things said about Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi, Janet Reno, Ann Coulter and many others. Yet you never heard a peep from those same individuals about Dennis Hastert, Newt Gingrich, Barnie Frank, Michael Moore, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, they're all, by objective standards, unattractive men. People don't go after Gingrich, or any other men, for being fat, yet Meghan McCain put on a couple of pounds and suddenly Laura Ingraham and others are talking about what a fatty she is.

Get out of here...

95% of the right discourse against Moore is that he's fat.

Lefties also call Limbaugh fat.


Sure, you'll see random people on the internet doing it. But what you don't see is the pundits (D.C.'s version of celebrity gossip rags) doing it, though they happily do that to the women. Don't remember all the shock, pearl clutching and slut shaming when Hillary Clinton showed her collar bone in the Senate? You'd have thought she'd given Harry Reid a lap dance while wearing a catholic schoolgirl uniform the way people were talking.
 
2012-04-10 11:03:18 AM  

OtherLittleGuy: SphericalTime: coco ebert: Her husband is seriously hot.

So, where are the pics of her husband? How hot is he?

He turns left a lot, sometimes right, He can also dance a little,.


Also, he won't let his wife drive.

She called into Car Talk to complain about this. After Ray and Tom were convinced it was really her, and got over their starstruckedness, they sided with him: pro-race driver gets the wheel.

She is the shiat. And never ever shrinks away from nude scenes... they're never unnecessary when she's in the movie!

Oh, and she's brilliant. BRB... too late. Damn.
 
2012-04-10 11:05:25 AM  

bobbette: Excuse me, are you actually trying to argue that Toni Colette, Meryl Streep, Marlon Brando, Jimmy Stewart, Clint Eastwood and Orson Welles are good examples of unattractive people?


No. Does anyone read what anyone else wrote? I was responding to the comment that "[their] only worth actually lies in the reduction of your personhood to simple physical objectification."
 
2012-04-10 11:07:15 AM  

LectertheChef: Yet you never heard a peep from those same individuals about Dennis Hastert, Newt Gingrich, Barnie Frank, Michael Moore, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, they're all, by objective standards, unattractive men. People don't go after Gingrich, or any other men, for being fat,


Which planet are you on?
 
2012-04-10 11:29:13 AM  
She's on my list, along with Charlize Theron and Marisa Tomei.

/just sharin'
 
2012-04-10 11:32:02 AM  

bobbette: rocky_howard: her feminist views are too strong. Especially when she started dropping the "Patriarchy" and "it's being done to control us" stuff.

I also gagged when she said that even though it's women doing this to themselves, it was still men's fault... wTF lady? That chatty gossipy stuff is mostly done by women and gay men.

Way to miss the point. If you don't think we live in societies that disempower women on the basis of their gender and sexuality and correspondingly empower men, you're kidding yourself. You can call it "patriarchy" or you can come up with whatever other name for it that you like. (Note: gender relations are far from the only type of social relations that disempower some and correspondingly, empower others.) Most recently, it has been blatantly expressed like this: the national and state-level attacks on women's access to contraception, reproductive health services and health care for poor women in the US.

Women frequently reinforce oppressive gender and sexual norms just as men frequently break them down. The "chatty gossipy stuff" is both an expression and an encouragement of reinforcing those norms and using them as the basis of competition between women. It's a race to the farking bottom when you have whole industries dedicating to selling you on the idea that if you have cellulite, you are worthless, or if you are over age 30, you are worthless, because your sexual appeal to men and your reproductive potential is the primary source of your value as a human being. Oh, and sidenote: gay men are men, not women.


I know way more women than men that think stick figures are a vision of beauty.
 
2012-04-10 11:37:41 AM  
FTA: The insanity has to stop, because as focused on me as it appears to have been, it is about all girls and women. In fact, it's about boys and men, too, who are equally objectified and ridiculed, according to heteronormative definitions of masculinity that deny the full and dynamic range of their personhood.

I... I love you, Ashley Judd, if for no other reason than for this essay.
 
2012-04-10 11:41:42 AM  

FormlessOne: FTA: The insanity has to stop, because as focused on me as it appears to have been, it is about all girls and women. In fact, it's about boys and men, too, who are equally objectified and ridiculed, according to heteronormative definitions of masculinity that deny the full and dynamic range of their personhood.

I... I love you, Ashley Judd, if for no other reason than for this essay.


Yeah, that part was spot on.

Personally, I've been catalogued (discriminated?) as gay because of my gestures and certain body language.
It's pretty hard when gossip takes over and a whole place thinks you're gay when you're not.
It's also pretty hard when you're courting a girl because she gets mixed signals or just dismisses you by thinking you're gay, so your efforts are incapable of bearing fruit.
 
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