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2012-04-10 01:39:42 PM

Mavent: given a situation where there are two men on the street: One a teenager heading home from the store, and the other a guy who purposely took a gun into the streets to confront strangers, and the unarmed teenager ends up dead while the armed guy walks free, I can think of no motivation other than "racism" for people to be constantly defending the shooter.


You'd be a lot more persuasive if, while you're busy employing all of your powers of reasoned analysis, you'd stick your fingers in your ears and say "Nah nah nah nah I can't hear you nah nah nah!!!!"

'Cause that convinces people every time.
 
2012-04-10 01:39:47 PM

Phinn: tirob: You can sneak and walk at the same time, but you can't "sneak up on" and "walk up and address" someone at the same time. If I address you I'm not sneaking up on you. This isn't argument by thesaurus, it's two different versions of how the confrontation started.

I fully and whole-heartedly admit that speaking to someone is incompatible with sneaking.

However, since we are getting these tidbits of information second- and third-hand, filtered through reporters (who are, by and large, borderline retarded), it is entirely possible that these two versions are not as incompatible as you may think.


I got these tidbits of information from interviews that Zimmerman's father and Zimmerman's brother voluntarily gave to the media. My point wasn't so much that the information was reliable, but that it wasn't. I continue to harbor a suspicion that the Zimmerman family's account of the events of the night of February 26 isn't wholly accurate.

Phinn: tirob:

It's possible .

It is also entirely possible

It is also possible

And so on.

So, congratulations on discovering the case-cracking quasi-discrepancy between two hearsay comments that have been filtered through the media. The problem with your intrepid investigative work is that no one in the Get Zimmerman Now lynch mob is actually concerned with evidence, reason or law.


It's also possible that what happened on the evening of the 26th is none of the things that you posited and that the "quasi-discrepancy" is evidence that the Zimmerman family hasn't got its story straight because someone in it is lying. And speaking for myself as a card carrying member of what you are pleased to call a lynch mob, I for one am hoping that the Florida authorities arrest Zimmerman, and that if a judge determines that there is enough evidence to hold him for trial, that he gets a fair trial in front of twelve citizens. Does that sound like a lynching to you?
 
2012-04-10 01:42:09 PM

9beers: PastaFazoole: But Zimmerman has changed his story so many times

He has? Amazing since we've yet to hear from Zimmerman at all. We've heard from Zimmerman's father and a friend and both tell the same story.


That is not entirely accurate.
 
2012-04-10 01:46:45 PM

tirob: That is not entirely accurate.


It's completely accurate, other than a few lines in a police report and some people retelling what they say Zimmerman told them, we have no farking idea what his official version of events is.
 
2012-04-10 01:47:44 PM

tirob: It's also possible that what happened on the evening of the 26th is none of the things that you posited and that the "quasi-discrepancy" is evidence that the Zimmerman family hasn't got its story straight because someone in it is lying. And speaking for myself as a card carrying member of what you are pleased to call a lynch mob, I for one am hoping that the Florida authorities arrest Zimmerman, and that if a judge determines that there is enough evidence to hold him for trial, that he gets a fair trial in front of twelve citizens. Does that sound like a lynching to you?


No, tweeting his address and shooting up the police cars in the neighborhood sounds like a lynching to me. A lynching in the works, at least.

Zimmerman's family's statements are not evidence. They are not even a substitute for evidence in the sad little circus that is the media.

There is no evidence for an arrest and booking, much less a court charge. The initial prosecutor got it right. Whatever happens next is entirely political.
 
2012-04-10 01:48:30 PM
Phinn, the point, which you keep insisting on missing, is that if Zimmerman had just left Martin alone, (as is the reasonable expectation of any American citizen minding their own business in their own neighborhood) none of this would have happened. Why is it that you refuse to accept that? Why is the idea of a black kid being able to walk home in peace without some gun-toting sociopath killing him so antithetical to your world-view? Why do you have to keep coming up with all these weird justifications for what happened? Why is it so beyond you to just say "Hey, maybe Zimmerman shouldn't have been wandering around the neighborhood while armed, looking for trouble"? Because at the end of the day, that's exactly what he was doing. He was specifically looking for trouble. Martin wasn't. And yet, you keep defending the lighter skinned of the two, despite the fact that it was the black guy who was unarmed, the black guy who was doing nothing more than walking home, and the black guy who ended up dead.

I don't expect you to give me a straight answer, but some time, once your off the internet and no longer feel the need to be snarky, ask yourself what your motivations really are.
 
2012-04-10 01:50:42 PM

9beers: The guy was dead after the head shot, which was in self defense.


Well, as would be expected from you, that is absolutely false. He was not dead and two doctors testified at the trial that while he would have most likely had brain damage, he most likely would have survived. It was not target practice, mister tough guy. He shot 5 bullets into a living, breathing human, killing him. He then lied about the shooting, his war record and well, just about everything he said was a lie.
 
2012-04-10 01:51:07 PM

Mavent: Really, the only facts anyone can prove in this case is that Zimmerman took to the streets with a gun, and neighborhood kid ended up dead. Zimmerman walks the streets, a free man.

So given that, I'm still a little confused by the motivations of people like ChuDogg, who has apparently quit his job at the Doc Martin boot factory and devoted his every waking hour to his own version of CSI: Florida. Am I saying he's racist? Yes. You bet your ass I'm saying he's racist. Because in lieu of any other motivating factor, "racism" is all there is left. Occam's Razor, and all that. Because given a situation where there are two men on the street: One a teenager heading home from the store, and the other a guy who purposely took a gun into the streets to confront strangers, and the unarmed teenager ends up dead while the armed guy walks free, I can think of no motivation other than "racism" for people to be constantly defending the shooter. Since, you know, he's WALKING THE STREETS ENTIRELY FREE. But hey, that's not enough for some of you. You damn well want to make sure that we all understand how completely in favor of dead black teenagers you are.


You do understand how the stand your ground law works, right? You do understand that there's an eyewitness who saw Zimmerman being assaulted, right? The only racist here is you.
 
2012-04-10 01:51:48 PM

Mavent: I'm still a little confused


You've been given the answers.

If you can't face the realities of our argument, and our societal value in "innocent until proven guilty" then you obviously have issues.

Get help.
 
2012-04-10 01:55:55 PM

ChuDogg: @tirob

I think we just have a different definition of conjecture. I was taught to use it as a conclusion based on limited or no supportong evidence.


Sounds like we have the same definintion of conjecture, although I would say that a conclusion based on *insufficient* supporting evidence, whether that evidence be limited or not, is also conjecture.

Hard to say why the prosecutor decided to bypass the grand jury.

Hobodeluxe: tirob: I call bullshiat. I find it highly unlikely Zimmerman broke off the pursuit. and just as unlikely that Trayvon wouldn't just go the last few yards to where he was staying. What probably happened is Zimmerman caught up with him , He tried to detain Trayvon and Trayvon punched him in the nose and a fight started. Once Zimmerman realized his ass was probably going to lose the fight he pulled his gun. Trayvon grabbed at the gun to try to avoid being shot and started screaming for help. (seriously listen to the tape it sounds like a kid fearing for their life. it's farking haunting) and George shot him.


I wanted to add to this that I believe that the nub of this case is whether, at the point when Zimmerman pulled his pistol, Zimmerman could have reasonably believed that he was in danger of being killed or suffering great bodily harm or whether he was just getting, or had just finished getting, an embarassing beatdown. I can't tell at this point which it was based on the evidence I have seen so far.
 
2012-04-10 01:57:04 PM

Phinn: There is no evidence for an arrest and booking, much less a court charge. The initial prosecutor got it right.


If that is truly your only thoughts on the matter, then you ought to be able to walk away from the topic entirely. There was no booking. No court charge. They're refusing to hold a grand jury. The guy gets to walk away scott-free. And yet, you're not letting it drop. It's clearly not about whether Zimmerman should be charged or not for you. He's not being charge. Yet you're till here, White Knighting the guy. You don't really give a damn about the legalities of the situation. If you did, you'd just walk away a winner. After all, the legal issues all went your way. But that's not enough for you. Instead, you're offended by the very idea that anyone could possibly be against the random killing of black teenagers by armed vigilantes. It pisses you off that any of us think that Martin should still be alive. No matter how many ways you try and deny it, that's what it all boils down to.
 
2012-04-10 01:57:15 PM

NightOwl2255: Well, as would be expected from you, that is absolutely false.


Prove he would have lived. The guy took a head shot to the brain, he was most likely going to die, no matter what witnesses for the prosecution say. Speculations, aren't they great?
 
2012-04-10 01:59:34 PM

Mavent: if Zimmerman had just left Martin alone, (as is the reasonable expectation of any American citizen minding their own business in their own neighborhood) none of this would have happened.


Zimmerman was not legally obligated to leave Martin alone. He had the right to approach Martin and ask what he was doing without physical retaliation.

By your logic, Martin could had turned to Zimmerman and said, "Hello, sir, I can see that you are distressed by my presence in this lovely suburban neighborhood, but I am visiting my father who lives nearby. Perhaps you could direct me to his address." If he had, he'd still be alive. However, Martin was under no legal obligation to explain himself to anyone. It might have been smart, but not required.

Martin could have spent the entire day inside playing on an Xbox, and he'd still be alive if he had. But he was under no legal obligation to do so.

The only relevant legal obligation here was to refrain from acting in a way that caused the other to have a reasonable belief of imminent threat of bodily harm.

Walking around and asking questions does not qualify as posing an imminent threat of bodily harm.

As for gun-toting sociopath, that is obviously a fantasy of yours. You are inventing whatever motivations and events are necessary for you to justify your opinion.

That's what I am talking about regarding media manipulation. You're a fascinating specimen of psychological dysfunction.
 
2012-04-10 02:01:47 PM

9beers: tirob: That is not entirely accurate.

It's completely accurate, other than a few lines in a police report and some people retelling what they say Zimmerman told them, we have no farking idea what his official version of events is.


Robert Zimmerman Sr. and Jr. give versions of how the confrontation started that differ sufficiently to put, in my mind at least, a strong shadow of doubt on the credibility of what the Zimmerman family is telling us. See my post of 1:39:47. But you are correct when you write that we do not know for sure what Zimmerman told Detective Serino.
 
2012-04-10 02:01:59 PM
Oh 9beers is back on the clock.

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2012-04-10 02:02:05 PM

Mavent: They're refusing to hold a grand jury.


A grand jury has nothing to do with whether or not he's charged with a crime. All we know is that he won't be charged with murder.
 
2012-04-10 02:06:03 PM
Seriously, some of you are in such denial about your racism that you probably pin your swastika on in the morning while honestly wondering why you get funny looks when you walk down the street.

The typical conversation here goes something like this:
Me: "It's too bad Zimmerman couldn't have just left Martin alone. An entire family wouldn't have had to go through hell."
omeganuepsilon/whoever: "OMG! HOW DARE YOU WISH A BLACK KID WERE STILL ALIVE!!!11elventy!!!"

...because despite all your bullshiat, that's the argument. There is no other. Zimmerman, last I checked, was still completely free. There were no posses roaming the streets looking to arrest him. There was no grand jury investigating him. But hey, the very idea that some of us have empathy for a dead black kid just really pisses some of you off.
 
2012-04-10 02:07:14 PM

tirob: Robert Zimmerman Sr. and Jr. give versions of how the confrontation started that differ sufficiently to put, in my mind at least, a strong shadow of doubt on the credibility of what the Zimmerman family is telling us.


What differences?
 
2012-04-10 02:11:07 PM

Phinn: tirob: It's also possible that what happened on the evening of the 26th is none of the things that you posited and that the "quasi-discrepancy" is evidence that the Zimmerman family hasn't got its story straight because someone in it is lying. And speaking for myself as a card carrying member of what you are pleased to call a lynch mob, I for one am hoping that the Florida authorities arrest Zimmerman, and that if a judge determines that there is enough evidence to hold him for trial, that he gets a fair trial in front of twelve citizens. Does that sound like a lynching to you?

No, tweeting his address and shooting up the police cars in the neighborhood sounds like a lynching to me. A lynching in the works, at least.

Zimmerman's family's statements are not evidence. They are not even a substitute for evidence in the sad little circus that is the media.

There is no evidence for an arrest and booking, much less a court charge. The initial prosecutor got it right. Whatever happens next is entirely political.


You're darn right the Zimmerman's family's statements aren't evidence, but I will remind you that Zimmerman Sr.'s entire career was in the law. That being the case, I for one believe that he must have thought long and hard about the content of those statements before he made them, and I also think that their purpose was to influence a potential jury pool. And I hope that if it comes to that, all of the jurors in Zimmerman's trial for manslaughter will concur with your assessment that they are not even a substitute for evidence.

I agree with you, of course, that everyone who is hoping that Zimmerman will be arrested and charged is responsible for tweeting Zimmerman's address and shooting up police cars.
 
2012-04-10 02:11:51 PM

9beers: NightOwl2255: Well, as would be expected from you, that is absolutely false.

Prove he would have lived. The guy took a head shot to the brain, he was most likely going to die, no matter what witnesses for the prosecution say. Speculations, aren't they great?


You really are a little weasel, aren't you? You like to talk like the Martin case like there's been a trial with testimony. In this case, there has been a trial. Two doctors testified, and the defense did not dispute any of the testimony. The defense put on two witnesses, neither of which were doctors or experts, they were in the store the day of the shooting. It's not speculation he would have lived, it was the expert testimony of two doctors, who know a bit more about the human body than you do sport. You're the kind of simpleton that thinks that if you say the moon is made of cheese enough times, it becomes a fact. Sorry to tell you skippy, it doesn't. And you don't know shiat about the pharmacist case so you really should STFU before making yourself look like more of a dolt.
 
2012-04-10 02:19:54 PM

tirob: I for one believe that he must have thought long and hard about the content of those statements before he made them, and I also think that their purpose was to influence a potential jury pool.


Kind of like Martin's family passing out 5 year old pictures and lying about his school suspensions?
 
2012-04-10 02:21:02 PM

9beers: tirob: Robert Zimmerman Sr. and Jr. give versions of how the confrontation started that differ sufficiently to put, in my mind at least, a strong shadow of doubt on the credibility of what the Zimmerman family is telling us.

What differences?


My bad. I provided the links but not a summary of my argument, which can be found on page 11 of this thread at the bottom of my response to ChuDogg at 9:01:25.
 
2012-04-10 02:22:14 PM

NightOwl2255: It's not speculation he would have lived, it was the expert testimony of two doctors, who know a bit more about the human body than you do sport.


Did they say that it was 100% certain he would live? Yeah, didn't think so. I said prove he would have lived, you can't. Accept the fact that you're wrong and move on.
 
2012-04-10 02:26:06 PM

9beers: NightOwl2255: It's not speculation he would have lived, it was the expert testimony of two doctors, who know a bit more about the human body than you do sport.

Did they say that it was 100% certain he would live? Yeah, didn't think so. I said prove he would have lived, you can't. Accept the fact that you're wrong and move on.


Not being absolutely 100% certain does not equal "definitely going to die". Stop moving goalposts and changing the criteria, and maybe people won't think you're an idiot.
 
2012-04-10 02:27:15 PM

9beers: tirob: I for one believe that he must have thought long and hard about the content of those statements before he made them, and I also think that their purpose was to influence a potential jury pool.

Kind of like Martin's family passing out 5 year old pictures and lying about his school suspensions?


Exactly.

I suggest to you, however, that for Zimmerman to avoid prosecution in this case his credibility regarding his claim of self defense has to be near-perfect, and there are things that have been uttered by his family that lead me to believe that it is less than that.
 
2012-04-10 02:31:49 PM

9beers: Did they say that it was 100% certain he would live? Yeah, didn't think so. I said prove he would have lived, you can't. Accept the fact that you're wrong and move on.


Prove Zimmerman didn't attack Martin. Can't? Didn't think so. Accept the fact you are wrong and move on. This is fun. Although I'll admit, not very sporting.
 
2012-04-10 02:33:52 PM

tirob: I suggest to you, however, that for Zimmerman to avoid prosecution in this case his credibility regarding his claim of self defense has to be near-perfect, and there are things that have been uttered by his family that lead me to believe that it is less than that.


I don't see any differences in the stories of Zimmerman's brother and father. The father goes into some more details than the brother but both tell the same basic story. Zimmerman was attacked by Martin, fell to the ground after being punched in the nose and ended up using his gun to stop the attack.

The important thing is going to be Zimmerman's account to investigators. I'm sure he's been interviewed multiple times by now so if he's changed his story in any way, they'll be all over it.
 
2012-04-10 02:35:31 PM

NightOwl2255: Prove Zimmerman didn't attack Martin. Can't? Didn't think so. Accept the fact you are wrong and move on. This is fun. Although I'll admit, not very sporting.


Why do we need to prove that?
 
2012-04-10 02:37:03 PM

Mavent: He's not being charge. Yet you're till here, White Knighting the guy. You don't really give a damn about the legalities of the situation. If you did, you'd just walk away a winner. After all, the legal issues all went your way.


Still seeing bogeymen under every rock, huh?

In response to an unusual degree of political hysteria, the government took the unusual step of appointing a prosecutor to re-investigate the case. Her decision not to present to a grand jury simply means that there can be no charge for capital murder, but lesser charges are still available, and reportedly being contemplated. So, no, the issue has not gone "away."

Normally, the first prosecutor's decision to decline to charge would be the end of it.

Then, various idiots, the media and politicians (but I repeat myself) decided to take a shiat on the living room floor.
 
2012-04-10 02:46:10 PM

NightOwl2255: 9beers: Did they say that it was 100% certain he would live? Yeah, didn't think so. I said prove he would have lived, you can't. Accept the fact that you're wrong and move on.

Prove Zimmerman didn't attack Martin. Can't? Didn't think so. Accept the fact you are wrong and move on. This is fun. Although I'll admit, not very sporting.


Thankfully, we don't have to prove innocence in our judicial system. Burden of proof is on the prosecution, and if there is not enough to convince a jury, or not enough to arrest someone on reasonable suspicion, innocence is granted defacto. Keeps a lot of innocent people out of prison, that.

You think profiling is bad now. Jails and prisons would be flooded, cops would be even bigger assholes, etc.
 
2012-04-10 02:49:27 PM
I just sent him $25. No point explaining why to bigots, racists and those of you who don't understand rule of law.
 
2012-04-10 02:57:10 PM

9beers: Why do we need to prove that?


Why would we need to prove the robber would have lived?
 
2012-04-10 03:00:02 PM
It will be amusing watching the threads if Zimmerman is charged. And if he's found guilty, I truly fear for 9beers mental health.
 
2012-04-10 03:06:25 PM

Mavent: Really, the only facts anyone can prove in this case is that Zimmerman took to the streets with a gun, and neighborhood kid ended up dead. Zimmerman walks the streets, a free man.

So given that, I'm still a little confused by the motivations of people like ChuDogg, who has apparently quit his job at the Doc Martin boot factory and devoted his every waking hour to his own version of CSI: Florida. Am I saying he's racist? Yes. You bet your ass I'm saying he's racist. Because in lieu of any other motivating factor, "racism" is all there is left. Occam's Razor, and all that. Because given a situation where there are two men on the street: One a teenager heading home from the store, and the other a guy who purposely took a gun into the streets to confront strangers, and the unarmed teenager ends up dead while the armed guy walks free, I can think of no motivation other than "racism" for people to be constantly defending the shooter. Since, you know, he's WALKING THE STREETS ENTIRELY FREE. But hey, that's not enough for some of you. You damn well want to make sure that we all understand how completely in favor of dead black teenagers you are.


I'm racist for hispanics. They are the master race, being a mix of all other races, genetic diversity after all, it's science. Just look at their women for christ sakes!

Also the whole Jewish thing, if true, that one is just obvious.
 
2012-04-10 03:08:18 PM

NightOwl2255: Why would we need to prove the robber would have lived?


That story is irrelevant to this thread. I don't care that he's dead and I don't care that the guy was convicted of murder. One shouldn't have robbed and the other should have stopped after the first shot.
 
2012-04-10 03:11:34 PM

NightOwl2255: It will be amusing watching the threads if Zimmerman is charged. And if he's found guilty, I truly fear for 9beers mental health.


Well I'm sure he has other screen names to shill with. He'll be fine.
 
2012-04-10 03:14:02 PM

9beers: I sent 50 bucks earlier today.


Fools and money...
 
2012-04-10 03:20:33 PM

Venezuelan Beaver Cheese: I just sent him $25. No point explaining why to bigots, racists and those of you who don't understand rule of law.


You are, of course, referring to yourself, given that you just gave money to a guy who's walking free under "rule of law", and has a photo of a vandalized black community center on his website after having shot a black kid. And since he's not being charged with anything, and therefore has no "legal fees", you basically sent him money as your way of saying "thanks for killing a black kid."

Cognitive dissonances is such a great thing.
 
2012-04-10 03:23:32 PM

NightOwl2255: It will be amusing watching the threads if Zimmerman is charged. And if he's found guilty, I truly fear for 9beers mental health.


Hey man, thanks for the concern but I think I'll manage to pull through. I've said in other threads that I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up being charged with something. You'd be better off concerning yourself with the mental health of the mob when they realize that Zimmerman isn't going to be charged with murder.
 
2012-04-10 03:24:15 PM

Mavent: Venezuelan Beaver Cheese: I just sent him $25. No point explaining why to bigots, racists and those of you who don't understand rule of law.

You are, of course, referring to yourself, given that you just gave money to a guy who's walking free under "rule of law", and has a photo of a vandalized black community center on his website after having shot a black kid. And since he's not being charged with anything, and therefore has no "legal fees", you basically sent him money as your way of saying "thanks for killing a black kid."

Cognitive dissonances is such a great thing.


I have a question for you, since race is obviously a big issue for you.


Would it change your mind at all if you learned Zimmerman was a NAACP volunteer, and organized black churches to pressure sanford police to investigate the beating to death of a black homelessman? Actions that would later help catch and convict the perpetrator?

Yes/no/maybe?
 
2012-04-10 03:32:00 PM

ChuDogg: Mavent: Venezuelan Beaver Cheese: I just sent him $25. No point explaining why to bigots, racists and those of you who don't understand rule of law.

You are, of course, referring to yourself, given that you just gave money to a guy who's walking free under "rule of law", and has a photo of a vandalized black community center on his website after having shot a black kid. And since he's not being charged with anything, and therefore has no "legal fees", you basically sent him money as your way of saying "thanks for killing a black kid."

Cognitive dissonances is such a great thing.

I have a question for you, since race is obviously a big issue for you.


Would it change your mind at all if you learned Zimmerman was a NAACP volunteer, and organized black churches to pressure sanford police to investigate the beating to death of a black homelessman? Actions that would later help catch and convict the perpetrator?

Yes/no/maybe?


Even the local NAACP leader was making a clear distinction between himself, and Sharpton. The color of Zimmerman's skin is the pertinent factor for anyone citing racism.
 
2012-04-10 03:32:57 PM
I learned something new from the thread today. It's called "Stand Yer Ground" when white people do it, "uppity" when black kids do it.

Learn your place boys!

/What a bunch of racists.
 
2012-04-10 03:40:00 PM
Zimmerman has black family members
Zimmerman has black friends
Zimmerman has mentored two black kids
A black neighbor said that Zimmerman was the only person to welcome her to the neighborhood.

Seriously, if you're still trying to play the race card in this case, you're an idiot.
 
2012-04-10 03:46:00 PM
Funny when that's pointed out all you get is *crickets* *crickets* *crickets*
 
2012-04-10 04:01:06 PM
Zimmerman's guilt or innocence of any crime is irrelevant at this point. The mob demands that he be lynched, or they will set the nation ablaze.

Trayvon Martin: Sanford 'a kindling box' as prosecutor weighs charges (new window)

Appease the mob. Throw George into the volcano.

It's a small sacrifice for the 'greater good'.
 
2012-04-10 04:02:00 PM

9beers: tirob: I suggest to you, however, that for Zimmerman to avoid prosecution in this case his credibility regarding his claim of self defense has to be near-perfect, and there are things that have been uttered by his family that lead me to believe that it is less than that.

I don't see any differences in the stories of Zimmerman's brother and father. The father goes into some more details than the brother but both tell the same basic story. Zimmerman was attacked by Martin, fell to the ground after being punched in the nose and ended up using his gun to stop the attack.

The important thing is going to be Zimmerman's account to investigators. I'm sure he's been interviewed multiple times by now so if he's changed his story in any way, they'll be all over it.


We'll have to disagree, because I see a substantial difference between what Robert Sr. says, which is that Martin walked up to Zimmerman and addressed him, and Robert Jr.'s story, which is that Martin sneaked up on Zimmerman. This is enough to impair both men's credibility IMO.

BTW, according to Tracy Martin, Detective Serino wants to interview Zimmerman again. If what Mr. Martin says is accurate, Zimmerman hasn't been interviewed enough times to satisfy Serino.
 
2012-04-10 04:02:31 PM

ChuDogg: Funny when that's pointed out all you get is *crickets* *crickets* *crickets*


Nah, they are just worn out from repeatedly proving what a racist the scary half-white man is.


/half-scary?
 
2012-04-10 04:05:38 PM

tirob: 9beers: tirob: I suggest to you, however, that for Zimmerman to avoid prosecution in this case his credibility regarding his claim of self defense has to be near-perfect, and there are things that have been uttered by his family that lead me to believe that it is less than that.

I don't see any differences in the stories of Zimmerman's brother and father. The father goes into some more details than the brother but both tell the same basic story. Zimmerman was attacked by Martin, fell to the ground after being punched in the nose and ended up using his gun to stop the attack.

The important thing is going to be Zimmerman's account to investigators. I'm sure he's been interviewed multiple times by now so if he's changed his story in any way, they'll be all over it.

We'll have to disagree, because I see a substantial difference between what Robert Sr. says, which is that Martin walked up to Zimmerman and addressed him, and Robert Jr.'s story, which is that Martin sneaked up on Zimmerman. This is enough to impair both men's credibility IMO.

BTW, according to Tracy Martin, Detective Serino wants to interview Zimmerman again. If what Mr. Martin says is accurate, Zimmerman hasn't been interviewed enough times to satisfy Serino.


The same Mr. Martin that initially said it was definitely not Tray screaming on the 911 tape?
 
2012-04-10 04:20:00 PM

Amos Quito: Zimmerman's guilt or innocence of any crime is irrelevant at this point.


Cut the crap. Please. Zimmerman's guilt or innocence are relevant here to the exclusion of anything else.

Amos Quito:

Appease the mob. Throw George into the volcano.

It's a small sacrifice for the 'greater good'.


Citizens who call for the arrest, and if necessary, the charging and trial of someone who may have committed voluntary manslaughter are a "mob?" Really?
 
2012-04-10 04:20:45 PM

s2s2s2: /half-scary?


Half white.

All racist.
 
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