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2012-04-09 11:08:41 PM  

Rapmaster2000: I'm not sure what's supposed to be a "good" percentage for powertrain recidivism. What percentage of turbo owners purchased another turbo? What percentage of CVT owners purchased another CVT?


I don't know what a "good" percentage is either. However, I'll note that the government didn't spend a couple years subsidizing turbos or CVTs or Wankers to the tune of six grand a throw in hopes that they'd "catch on."

So I'd hope that at least the geniuses behind that boondoggle are paying attention and calculating the actual percentages (which I agree can't be gleaned from this story alone) against whatever they projected.
 
2012-04-09 11:09:11 PM  
Fark U


numbone: The only experience I've had with a hybrid was winching my neighbor's inoperable Prius onto my car trailer. He's a nice guy. Bought a tank of diesel for my F-350.

HYUCK HYUCK! FOLKSY HUMOR IS LOLFUNNY!


Glad you were amused. He spent about seventy bucks but could have probably had it towed for fifty.
 
2012-04-09 11:10:56 PM  

Fark U: people who still buy mustangs and camaros to be cool make me smh. Really? Is anyone really impressed by "fast cars" anymore? shiat is so juvenile and lame, high school nonsense.


Yeah! How dare people try and have fun in ways you don't agree with!
 
2012-04-09 11:12:04 PM  
I am a (mostly) green-conservative and LOVE our Prius and loved my hybrid Camry. Got rid of the Camry bc we wanted an offroad capable car that could tow.

Prius has over 120K miles and never a problem. We have driven it up and down the East coast, From PA to Tx, to IL....wife drives 75-100 miles a day....car is awesome.

I would buy a new one...if this one EVER dies or even starts acting up.
 
2012-04-09 11:12:06 PM  

Rain-Monkey: I drive a Prius and would buy another, or a VW with a TDI engine.

So suck it subby. I care more about the planet than hauling around my ass in an oversized Lazyboy.


What are you going to do with all of those batteries when they hit the end of their useful life?

Hmmm...so much for the planet.

Funny for about a month every time I saw someone tried to do something really stupid, they were driving a prius. I thought "wow, that guy flooring it and flying over the speed bump so he doesnt have to stop for the pedestrian really doesnt fit with the earthy crunchy prius image..." Now I understand, they're all mad about the car.
 
2012-04-09 11:12:17 PM  
Parents have a 2008 Honda Civic Hybrid. Total POS. It is in the shop every two months with problems and I have better mpg on my Toyota Matrix. They had a diesel Jetta wagon that they had driven into the ground that they loved. Diesel prices were getting a little steep though. Based on their experiences with the Civic I would be wary of another hybrid at this point.
 
2012-04-09 11:12:27 PM  

R.A.Danny: Wouldn't it make hybrids even more economical if they had diesel engines running the inverter? Seems like a no-brainer to me, seeing as how that's how locomotives do it.


The problem is emissions. I'm surprised that they can eke hybrids over the emissions hurdles. Most emissions is after startup, once an engine is warmed up, they are basically emissions-free. And what do hybrids do a lot? Shut off and restart.

Yes, I know about the coolant Thermos and the heated cat technology. I'm just not sure how much of that can translate to Diesel engines.

Now, if you want a blast from the past, Audi is experimenting with a hybrid that uses a Wankel as the generator engine. Wankels suck for fuel efficiency unless they are heavily loaded, then they get to be pretty good. The problem for them is that car engines spend 99.9% of the time under light load, but a hybrid eliminates that problem nicely.

BTW - I drive a Mazda rotary about 20k per year. The BSFC under light load is shockingly bad. I actually get better fuel economy at 80mph than at 60mph because the higher loading is more efficient for the engine. (It won't run smoothly at 60mph unless the air/fuel ratio is down around 12:1. It needs to be loaded down more to run at stoich, 80mph is the sweet spot before aero drag negates the efficiency advantage)
 
2012-04-09 11:12:39 PM  

Rain-Monkey: I drive a Prius and would buy another, or a VW with a TDI engine.

So suck it subby. I care more about the planet than hauling around my ass in an oversized Lazyboy.


Well, I'm sure you make slightly more impact than, say, a fly, but not much more. What heights of inflated ego and sense of self-importance you've reached when you actually believe that anything you do will have any sort of lasting impact whatsoever on this planet. In less than one thousand years, you will not exist and nothing you ever did will have any remaining effect whatsoever. Whether you drove a Prius or a Hummer will not matter. What kind of trash you made will not matter. What kind of food you ate will not matter. You are completely immaterial to this planet. So am I. So is the vast majority of humanity. I know it's a bitter pill to swallow, but the reality is that you don't matter. I don't matter. Even large groupings of humans, taken together, don't matter. This planet will be spinning along just fine when humanity is gone. Until the sun runs out of fuel, of course. And by that time, your already staggeringly ineffectual existence will mean, if possible, even less. What hubris lurks in the hearts of men, to think that anyone matters in any way.
 
2012-04-09 11:13:33 PM  

Fark U: people who still buy mustangs and camaros to be cool make me smh. Really? Is anyone really impressed by "fast cars" anymore? shiat is so juvenile and lame, high school nonsense.


I finally replaced my Trans Am last year, when it was about to become too expensive to maintain. It was an absolute pleasure to drive and I miss it; it had nothing to do with image. You should try to stop looking at the world through the lens of your own preconceived notions and biases, for doing so has a tendency to make one myopic.
 
2012-04-09 11:14:01 PM  

Churchy LaFemme: I have a Prius. 2010.

Rattliest, cheapest, interior of any car I've ever owned. And I've owned Subarus.

As for the hybrid image, I don't give a crap about all that. What I give a crap about is getting 50 MPG.

I will say, though, that it pisses me off that there are cheap, naturally-aspirated, non-hybrid three-cylinder cars in Europe and Asia that are getting 60 mpg that they won't sell here in the US.


Not to mention a whole bunch of diesels. It's a shame people are blocked from importing a lot of fine cars just because domestic companies can't compete with them.
 
2012-04-09 11:14:26 PM  

Manfred J. Hattan: Rapmaster2000: I'm not sure what's supposed to be a "good" percentage for powertrain recidivism. What percentage of turbo owners purchased another turbo? What percentage of CVT owners purchased another CVT?

I don't know what a "good" percentage is either. However, I'll note that the government didn't spend a couple years subsidizing turbos or CVTs or Wankers to the tune of six grand a throw in hopes that they'd "catch on.".


Wankers are only popular in England. Americans prefer jerkoffs and Pittsburghers specifically prefer jagoffs.
 
2012-04-09 11:14:41 PM  
I've had a Prius for 5 years and can't imagine replacing it anytime soon. It's not like I care about style - it's a transportation appliance and has at least another 10 years in it (I don't do too many miles). I expect to hand it off to my daughter who I brought home two months before it(in a dying Camary that had beer cans and pipe clamps functioning structural components of the exhaust). The only think that might get me to replace it is if a decent hybrid with 7 seats came out. The Prius V in Europe offers a third row of seats, but not in the US @#$%!@#

But that's not too big a deal. I just rent a minivan for a week on the odd time family visits.
 
2012-04-09 11:15:59 PM  

Mister Peejay: The problem is emissions. I'm surprised that they can eke hybrids over the emissions hurdles.


Diesel hybrids seemed like a no-brainer to me, too. But apparently the weight of the diesel is a factor as well and leads to lower mileage when factored in with all the other hybrid equipment (versus the gas set up).
 
2012-04-09 11:17:10 PM  

Churchy LaFemme: I have a Prius. 2010.

Rattliest, cheapest, interior of any car I've ever owned. And I've owned Subarus.

As for the hybrid image, I don't give a crap about all that. What I give a crap about is getting 50 MPG.

I will say, though, that it pisses me off that there are cheap, naturally-aspirated, non-hybrid three-cylinder cars in Europe and Asia that are getting 60 mpg that they won't sell here in the US.


Part of that is that between differences in the tests and the size of a gallon(not joking. There are 3 definitions of a gallon, all different), 60 mpg there is something like 45 here, and at that point, you already have perfectly good 40+mpg cars here in the US that don't look like utter garbage and have more than 125 horsepower so you can actually merge onto a freeway safely.
 
2012-04-09 11:17:40 PM  
Honda Civic Hybrid Driver -- NEVER FARKEN AGAIN!

Never got close to the promised milage
Battery Pack had to be replaced after 145K
No Trunk Space because of the useless batteries
 
2012-04-09 11:18:26 PM  
Dear meyerkev ,

Your an outlier. We don't make cars for those. Get used to it.
 
2012-04-09 11:18:30 PM  

change1211: Not to mention a whole bunch of diesels. It's a shame people are blocked from importing a lot of fine cars just because domestic companies can't compete with them.


Subaru makes a diesel Forester that they sell in Australia (and other places, I imagine) that gets 40-plus MPG. And it's AWD. I'd buy one of those in a heartbeat.
 
2012-04-09 11:18:57 PM  

what_now: Are most people ready for a second hybrid? They've only been widely available for what.. 10 years? I can't imagine there's a lot of ppl with a 7 year old prius.


Came here to pretty much echo the same thing. As usual, subby is a retard.
 
2012-04-09 11:19:35 PM  

Myself248: Imagine if you heard a hot-rod with racing cams, and told the owner that his car had a rough idle. He'd laugh at your ignorance, and then explain "no, this isn't a normal car, it's supposed to sound like that!" Now, imagine trying to sell that car your grandma. She'd complain (unless she's from Pasadena) that it's hard to start, it rides rough, the steering is funny... and she'd probably buy something different next time.

Same goes for the Prius. It's supposed to be different. We wouldn't have it any other way.


I wish I was making this up.

Person buys car with a CVT. Returns a week later, insists that they take the car back, the transmission is broken, it never shifts. They oblige, and make sure her replacement car has a non-CVT automatic.

She returns again. This one is also broken, it shifts all the time. Well, yeah, a 6-speed auto will shift more than a 4-speed.
 
2012-04-09 11:19:57 PM  

meyerkev: Part of that is that between differences in the tests and the size of a gallon(not joking. There are 3 definitions of a gallon, all different),


That IS true. But I remember the three-cylinder Geo Metros that got 55 mpg. Pretty scary on the highway but great around town as a grocery getter.
 
2012-04-09 11:20:10 PM  

tarhammer: What are you going to do with all of those batteries when they hit the end of their useful life?


Recycle them - there's a couple hundred dollar standing bounty for Prius packs. That nickle isn't cheap. And Ni-MH are far less toxic than the massive lead acid battery in your standard SUV.
 
2012-04-09 11:20:22 PM  
I bought a 2005 Prius new. Closing in on 140,000 miles and still running fine. Also not only have I had sex in the back seat, so have two girls while I was driving. So I'll buy another one once I need to.
 
2012-04-09 11:21:41 PM  

fredbox: Also not only have I had sex in the back seat, so have two girls while I was driving.


I recommend leaving that part out when you look to sell it...
 
2012-04-09 11:21:48 PM  

rohar:
Invereter? What inverter? Should all be DC to maintain efficiency. But yeah. Diesel Electric is the way to go.


3-phase motors are where it's at.

If DC was better, they'd be doing it that way.
 
2012-04-09 11:22:32 PM  

Mildot: Honda Civic Hybrid Driver -- NEVER FARKEN AGAIN!

Never got close to the promised milage
Battery Pack had to be replaced after 145K
No Trunk Space because of the useless batteries


You should get in on that class action, it doesn't look like anyone has gotten close to the advertised milage.

fredbox: I bought a 2005 Prius new. Closing in on 140,000 miles and still running fine. Also not only have I had sex in the back seat, so have two girls while I was driving. So I'll buy another one once I need to.


Does it get you to the gym in 26 minutes?
 
2012-04-09 11:23:10 PM  

McUnfKitty: Dear meyerkev ,

Your an outlier. We don't make cars for those. Get used to it.


But they do. They're called American cars.

/Seriously, I could have been 6'8", and still fit into my Mailbu with room to spare. If I put the seat all the way back, I couldn't even reach the pedals, which I was absolutely stunned by.
 
2012-04-09 11:23:47 PM  

Surpheon: tarhammer: What are you going to do with all of those batteries when they hit the end of their useful life?

Recycle them - there's a couple hundred dollar standing bounty for Prius packs. That nickle isn't cheap. And Ni-MH are far less toxic than the massive lead acid battery in your standard SUV.


How much energy does it take to produce and recycle those batteries? More or less than you get out of them?
 
2012-04-09 11:23:52 PM  
meyerkev:

To Car manufacturers:

When I'm going to buy a car, I have 1 simple question: Can I drive it?

Note that since I'm 6'5" and 300 pounds and change, that's not exactly a simple question, but it's a very important one.


I'm 6'3" and I drive a friend's 2005 Prius often... It's a *very* comfy car, plenty of head / leg room, no visibility problems. I always have the "lean forward to see stoplights" problem on "sportier" cars.

I'm about 100 lbs lighter than you, so I can't say how comfy the bucket seats would be, but you wouldn't have any vertical problems..

/ wishes cars still had bench seats.
 
2012-04-09 11:26:11 PM  
Outside of the Ford Escape, the big cars aren't going hybrid, which makes no sense to me.

A Civic hybrid that gets 45 mpg instead of 35? Yawn.

A Ford F350 diesel hybrid that gets 25mpg instead of 10? Hell yes.

Switch to pure electric motors (the diesel just charges the batteries), and you can get massive torque without the need to switch gears. It's not the subcompacts that need to go hybrid, it's the big boys. Imagine a semi cab with electric power and a diesel generator. Wouldn't slow down going up hills, six wheel drive, no pollution to speak of, quiet, no air brakes...the list goes on. Probably wouldn't be any more expensive either, except for the cost of switching the equipment over the first time.

That's what we should be subsidizing. Not subcompacts.
 
2012-04-09 11:26:47 PM  

maxheck: meyerkev:

To Car manufacturers:

When I'm going to buy a car, I have 1 simple question: Can I drive it?

Note that since I'm 6'5" and 300 pounds and change, that's not exactly a simple question, but it's a very important one.

I'm 6'3" and I drive a friend's 2005 Prius often... It's a *very* comfy car, plenty of head / leg room, no visibility problems. I always have the "lean forward to see stoplights" problem on "sportier" cars.

I'm about 100 lbs lighter than you, so I can't say how comfy the bucket seats would be, but you wouldn't have any vertical problems..

/ wishes cars still had bench seats.


Mom just bought a new Prius, and I can fit with few problems. I wouldn't want to sit behind me, and I could never drive it because they start the windshield about 2 feet below the top of the car, so visibility is definitely an issue, but I can get in and out just fine, and stay in it quite comfortably.
 
2012-04-09 11:27:05 PM  

what_now: Are most people ready for a second hybrid? They've only been widely available for what.. 10 years? I can't imagine there's a lot of ppl with a 7 year old prius.


My Prius is 9 yrs old. And I WON'T be getting another one.

This is my next car:
i238.photobucket.com
Nissan Leaf
100% electric

Suck it, subby.
 
2012-04-09 11:27:13 PM  

what_now: Are most people ready for a second hybrid? They've only been widely available for what.. 10 years? I can't imagine there's a lot of ppl with a 7 year old prius.


I've got a 7 year old Prius (2005), 90K miles. Runs great - I'd buy a Sienna hybrid (Toyota Minivan) in a heartbeat... but they won't release it in the US. My other vehicle needs to replace my minivan (seats for 7+ and ability of loading 8' lumber/cargo/etc.) Although I could get the Highlander hybrid, it wouldn't give me much space as my current minivan offers and would likely cost more (never quite understood the hatred for the minvans in the US.. much more utility for the cost than any SUV I've been in).

Been waiting for the Sienna hybrid for 3 years now... minivan is paid off and working fine, in no rush.
 
2012-04-09 11:27:44 PM  
Neighbor lady has a Honda Hybrid..... after replacing most of the electronics and the entire battery pack she'd rather ride a donkey cart into town but she's stuck with it. I'm 6'2 and can't even fit into the damn thing without outside help and getting down on my hands and knees and crawling into it - sort of like a reverse birthing technique. As for me, I'll keep riding the Shadow 600VT for non-load hauling drives and the pick-me-up when I have to carry something larger than two .750 liters of.stump killer.
 
2012-04-09 11:29:11 PM  
I test drove an insight. It made my civic seem like a sports car. I don't know the cause, I presume it's the switching to gas or something, but if you step on the gas you get a two second delay before some acceleration kicks in.

With the way idiots merge on the highway, fark that.
 
2012-04-09 11:29:34 PM  

Churchy LaFemme: fredbox: Also not only have I had sex in the back seat, so have two girls while I was driving.

I recommend leaving that part out when you look to sell it...


There's still been far more coffee spilled than bodily fluids. I'm probably driving it till its done anyway, its had by far the best time spent driving:time spent fixing ratio of any vehicle I've owned. I also have an old F250 that gets about 50:50 on that measure.

change1211:

Does it get you to the gym in 26 minutes?

23 minutes. The smug actually causes time dilation and you achieve a modest amount of warp, true story.
 
2012-04-09 11:30:34 PM  

untaken_name: How much energy does it take to produce and recycle those batteries? More or less than you get out of them?


I'll tell you this, Mr. Retarded Talking Points Concern Troll; I worked the numbers and with the savings in fuel costs over my last car I can easily afford to replace a Prius battery at 8-10 years (not that I would) and STILL come out on top to the tune of several thousand dollars.
 
2012-04-09 11:32:52 PM  

change1211:
Not to mention a whole bunch of diesels. It's a shame people are blocked from importing a lot of fine cars just because domestic companies can't compete with them.


Just because they don't meet US safety or emissions regs! Those selfish companies, completely ignoring the profits they could make by selling people what they surely want!

I remember hearing that the Focus Diesel wouldn't be brought to the US because by the time it could pass US emissions, it would get only 35mpg, which they could easily beat with a gasoline engine, which runs on cheaper fuel (here) anyway.

Please don't forget that gallons are different in different parts of the world. Make sure when you see MPG that you're not cross-comparing an Imperial number to US gallons. You can go a lot more miles on the extra ~3/4 liter in an Imperial gallon. 60mpg Imperial is roughly 50mpg US.
 
2012-04-09 11:34:03 PM  

safetycap: what_now: Are most people ready for a second hybrid? They've only been widely available for what.. 10 years? I can't imagine there's a lot of ppl with a 7 year old prius.

My Prius is 9 yrs old. And I WON'T be getting another one.

This is my next car:
[i238.photobucket.com image 510x339]
Nissan Leaf
100% electric

Suck it, subby.


I want one of these so farking badly.
 
2012-04-09 11:34:27 PM  

maxheck: meyerkev:

To Car manufacturers:

When I'm going to buy a car, I have 1 simple question: Can I drive it?

Note that since I'm 6'5" and 300 pounds and change, that's not exactly a simple question, but it's a very important one.

I'm 6'3" and I drive a friend's 2005 Prius often... It's a *very* comfy car, plenty of head / leg room, no visibility problems. I always have the "lean forward to see stoplights" problem on "sportier" cars.

I'm about 100 lbs lighter than you, so I can't say how comfy the bucket seats would be, but you wouldn't have any vertical problems..

/ wishes cars still had bench seats.


My RAM does.

I live 5 miles from work, so I dont worry too much about milage. Im not going to spend $30,000 to save $100 a month.
 
2012-04-09 11:35:11 PM  
In 30+ years of driving I have not spent the cost of a single new Prius. I think that probably includes fuel as well as the cost and maintenance of all the vehicles I have owned.

Step 1. Buy a beater
Step 2. Drive it into the ground.
Step 3. Repeat as necessary.
Step 4. Not necessarily profit, but it keeps losses to a minimum.
 
2012-04-09 11:40:02 PM  
chookbillion

How could you not love your hybrid?

i1086.photobucket.com

So adorable.


wut

home.earthlink.net



// recycled
 
2012-04-09 11:40:36 PM  

Churchy LaFemme: Mister Peejay: The problem is emissions. I'm surprised that they can eke hybrids over the emissions hurdles.

Diesel hybrids seemed like a no-brainer to me, too. But apparently the weight of the diesel is a factor as well and leads to lower mileage when factored in with all the other hybrid equipment (versus the gas set up).


Well, I keep hearing about this "weight of the Diesel", but VW seems to do just fine with their engines using largely the same block structure as the gasoline engines. Weight increases are minimal.

Personally, I can't stand the suckers. Smell like sour milk, always leak like a sieve, and the oil they leak is NASTY with all of the soot in it, and they're typically smoky messes at 200k, a point at which most modern gasoline engines are barely broken in. But if people want to pay extra for them and deal with the added expenses, well, why not let them, you know?

TRUCK Diesels are a lot heavier, but the duty cycle of a car engine is far different from that of a truck. Trucks can basically be expected to live their whole lives at close to full output, so they have to be either severely overbuilt, or detuned, or both.
 
2012-04-09 11:41:26 PM  

Mister Peejay: change1211:
Not to mention a whole bunch of diesels. It's a shame people are blocked from importing a lot of fine cars just because domestic companies can't compete with them.

Just because they don't meet US safety or emissions regs! Those selfish companies, completely ignoring the profits they could make by selling people what they surely want!

I remember hearing that the Focus Diesel wouldn't be brought to the US because by the time it could pass US emissions, it would get only 35mpg, which they could easily beat with a gasoline engine, which runs on cheaper fuel (here) anyway.

Please don't forget that gallons are different in different parts of the world. Make sure when you see MPG that you're not cross-comparing an Imperial number to US gallons. You can go a lot more miles on the extra ~3/4 liter in an Imperial gallon. 60mpg Imperial is roughly 50mpg US.


First of all, Canadian.

Those same safety regulations that require a replacement of the front and rear bumpers in pretty much ever Mercedes coming over the border? I'm sure it isn't a money grab that Mercedes is getting sued over.

I seem to remember hearing about the Ford Focus that they tried to send to Japan and it ended up costing around $40,000?

European cars could easily be altered to meet the safety regulations and the emissions regulations should be changed so diesels aren't penalized.

But yeah, I'm sure that the US is right and the rest of the world is wrong.
 
2012-04-09 11:42:13 PM  

meyerkev: To Car manufacturers:

When I'm going to buy a car, I have 1 simple question: Can I drive it?

Note that since I'm 6'5" and 300 pounds and change, that's not exactly a simple question, but it's a very important one.

Also note that that's not the same as "Can I get into the car?" or "Can I fit in the car comfortably?". (Though the 2011 Toyota Camry fails both.) It's actually the same as: Can I find a seat position that allows me to:

A) Control the pedal safely. This requires that I have quite a lot of legroom, since my legs need to be reasonably straight, or I can't move my feet enough to hit both pedals with a reasonable amount of accuracy.
B) Reach the steering wheel without being forced to jam my head into the ceiling and/or crouch over to an unreasonable degree. Once again, I need to have a little bit of leeway so I can control the steering wheel.
C) Pull up to the white line and be able to see a stoplight. I'm okay with dipping my head if need be, but that's about as far as I want to move on a regular basis. Especially if I can't reliably move my body forwards because I'm jammed into the freaking ceiling.

Your car can run on a combo of printer ink and the tears of murdered orphans, and I won't care as long as I can fit in it. I don't care about saving the environment, I don't care about mileage beyond a certain point, I care about fitting in the sucker. Everything beyond that is secondary.

/Only car I've found that does those things was a 2010 Chevy Malibu. Terrible car, but I had more room than in my mother's Toyota Minivan.
//The 2005 Mercury Sable and 2003 Toyota Camry have also been acceptable, if not spectacular.


www.fugly.com
 
2012-04-09 11:43:05 PM  
There is also a study out that maintains that conservatives practice "low-effort thinking". Do people believe ALL studies, or only the ones that validate their preconceived notions?
 
2012-04-09 11:45:51 PM  

chookbillion: How could you not love your hybrid?

[i1086.photobucket.com image 540x518]

So adorable.


You can see the shame in the donkey's eyes, and the zebra looks like he wants out. I think there were many, many fermented apples consumed that night.
 
2012-04-09 11:46:44 PM  

Mister Peejay: Churchy LaFemme: Mister Peejay: The problem is emissions. I'm surprised that they can eke hybrids over the emissions hurdles.

Diesel hybrids seemed like a no-brainer to me, too. But apparently the weight of the diesel is a factor as well and leads to lower mileage when factored in with all the other hybrid equipment (versus the gas set up).

Well, I keep hearing about this "weight of the Diesel", but VW seems to do just fine with their engines using largely the same block structure as the gasoline engines. Weight increases are minimal.

Personally, I can't stand the suckers. Smell like sour milk, always leak like a sieve, and the oil they leak is NASTY with all of the soot in it, and they're typically smoky messes at 200k, a point at which most modern gasoline engines are barely broken in. But if people want to pay extra for them and deal with the added expenses, well, why not let them, you know?

TRUCK Diesels are a lot heavier, but the duty cycle of a car engine is far different from that of a truck. Trucks can basically be expected to live their whole lives at close to full output, so they have to be either severely overbuilt, or detuned, or both.


You know how I know you don't know anything about diesels?
 
2012-04-09 11:47:31 PM  

Rapmaster2000: What percentage of CVT owners purchased another CVT?



Please KILL ME...

never again...
 
2012-04-09 11:49:15 PM  

snitramc: There is also a study out that maintains that conservatives practice "low-effort thinking". Do people believe ALL studies, or only the ones that validate their preconceived notions?


The latter of course, the same as people buying full electrics in municipalities wher the electricity comes from coal - which pollutes more than gasoline.
 
2012-04-09 11:52:21 PM  

snitramc: There is also a study out that maintains that conservatives practice "low-effort thinking". Do people believe ALL studies, or only the ones that validate their preconceived notions?


You mean this? Link (new window)

"[A] study published in the journal 'Psychological Science' showed that children who score low on intelligence tests gravitate toward socially conservative political views in adulthood--perhaps because conservative ideologies stress 'structure and order' that make it easier to understand a complicated world."
 
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  4. Click here to submit a link.

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