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(Boing Boing)   We've found the worst restaurant in New York City. And no, they don't sell crappy New York-style pizza; they charge $275 for pasta and $50 for salad   (boingboing.net) divider line 196
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2012-04-09 10:43:38 PM

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: Even at those prices (especially?), how does a NYC restaurant stay in business with such a poor reputation?


At those prices they should only need a couple customers a day
 
2012-04-09 10:45:01 PM

NewportBarGuy: crappy New York-style pizza

What the fark is that? Excuse me, smitty. Are you a goddamn bread bowl pizza fan?!

How dare you!


You had to taunt the pizza monkey?

Lombardi's white "New York" thick.
 
2012-04-09 10:46:19 PM

AlwaysRightBoy: NewportBarGuy: crappy New York-style pizza

What the fark is that? Excuse me, smitty. Are you a goddamn bread bowl pizza fan?!

How dare you!

You had to taunt the pizza monkey?

Lombardi's white "New York" thick.


opps!

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2012-04-09 10:46:48 PM

Atomic Spunk: Rincewind53: Yeah, as they pointed out in the comments, the restaurant is violating all kinds of consumer protection laws by charging prices like that without disclosing them first; multiple portions of the U.C.C., New York's specific law requiring that any mandatory gratuity be disclosed up front, etc...

If you find yourself in such a situation, offer them a reasonable price, and when they refuse, leave your contact information and tell them to sue you for breach of contract.

Any lawyers want to comment?

I doubt they'd let you do that. They'd call the cops and report you for skipping out on the meal. You'd be dealing with a criminal trial, not a civil one.


If they call the cops you can prove you were trying to pay a reasonable amount and from that point on its a civil matter. A thief wouldn't leave his contact info....
 
2012-04-09 10:49:52 PM
One of the first places I ate at when I moved to California was a nondescript place that had $20 macaroni. I was thinking, 'oh well, this is going to some amazing macaroni.' It wasn't. It was like $2 macaroni. I was like, 'what the fark.'
 
2012-04-09 10:52:03 PM

chopit: If you buy something without knowing what it costs, you're a retard.



Retard might be a little harsh... I'm sure some people just are distracted and not paying attention. They've got enough money to afford an expensive meal, so they aren't really worried about the price too much...... but just aren't expecting that kind of scammery. At those prices they only need to get a few marks to eat there every so often, and they're near central park so they probably get a fairly steady stream of rushed tourists.

That said, there's no farking way they'd ever get me with this scam. If there are no prices listed I will need them to tell me the prices for everything up front. If I get any attitude at all I'm walking before I order so much as a glass of water. I always tip very well and I'm not afraid to have a pricey meal now and again - but I have absolutely no tolerance at all for bullshiat, pretension or deceit. But I'm not really the target for their particular con then.
 
2012-04-09 10:53:42 PM
There ought to be a word for not seeing a typo until you've clicked the second 'add comment', but before the screen refreshes. Because happens to me every. farking. day.
 
2012-04-09 10:55:08 PM

chopit: If you buy something without knowing what it costs, you're a retard.


It's not unusual for high end restaurants to have menus without prices. But it's known going in you're going to be laying out a lot of money for dinner, so no one minds. Nello on the other hand gives no warning of what to expect. And then isn't even consistent as apparently the costs of some items are stated.
 
2012-04-09 10:56:08 PM

GoodOmens: Atomic Spunk: Rincewind53: Yeah, as they pointed out in the comments, the restaurant is violating all kinds of consumer protection laws by charging prices like that without disclosing them first; multiple portions of the U.C.C., New York's specific law requiring that any mandatory gratuity be disclosed up front, etc...

If you find yourself in such a situation, offer them a reasonable price, and when they refuse, leave your contact information and tell them to sue you for breach of contract.

Any lawyers want to comment?

I doubt they'd let you do that. They'd call the cops and report you for skipping out on the meal. You'd be dealing with a criminal trial, not a civil one.

If they call the cops you can prove you were trying to pay a reasonable amount and from that point on its a civil matter. A thief wouldn't leave his contact info....


Cops aren't tasked with understanding the fine points of the Uniform Commercial Code. I've never had to deal with a New York cop, but if they live up to their reputation, I imagine they'd throw you in the pokey until the whole issue got sorted out. If you tried to argue that it's a civil matter, they'd probably shove a billy club up your ass.
 
2012-04-09 10:57:26 PM
Okay, you need to understand the context of dining in New York. There are plenty of great restaurants that offer prefixes and specials that aren't clearly defined by menu. The average fine-diner expects about $90-120 per head before the vino. This restaurant is merely doubling that price.

When I was there, I have to admit the service was great. The owner was friendly. Very attentive wait staff. Thus you expect to pay more for this level of service and if you are the type of diner that agonizes over paying for water, this is just not the place for you.

Don't get me wrong- I went once and I wouldn't return because the food wasn't worth it. There are too many choices on the East side to choose and frankly, some of the best food in Manhattan is under $10 per plate it just depends what mood you are in.
 
2012-04-09 10:58:19 PM

mongbiohazard: That said, there's no farking way they'd ever get me with this scam. If there are no prices listed I will need them to tell me the prices for everything up front. If I get any attitude at all I'm walking before I order so much as a glass of water. I always tip very well and I'm not afraid to have a pricey meal now and again - but I have absolutely no tolerance at all for bullshiat, pretension or deceit. But I'm not really the target for their particular con then.


I'll agree with you there and add that if there were any other patrons in the restaurant at that time, as soon as they told me $250.00 for pasta, every customer in there would know about it. 250 for farking pasta you are farking crazy!! 20 bucks for water, fark off!! etc. until the place started to empty. Then I'd protest that place like the mouth breathers do to abortion clinics for the rest of the day.
 
2012-04-09 10:58:29 PM
Who the fark kind of "tourist" eats at a farking place without knowing the prices? That is about the stupidest thing I have ever heard. The writer didn't get ripped off by the restaurant. He got farked by his own stupidity. My wife has a cousin in Chicago that works in a high class place. Dinner for two with wine is around $400-600 depending on your entree and wine choices. The prices are not listed anywhere. If you have to ask you probably cant afford it, or dont want to afford it if you can.

CSB time y0
If a place doesn't have the prices on the menu the prices are going to be about 25x what the food you will eat is actually worth. I have eaten in a restaurant where dinner for four was over $1500 without the gratuity. Luckily it was comped since I was winning at the casino and all I had to do was tip the waiter. I gave him his 20% $300 tip and he kinda acted like I was el-cheapo. Sorry bub I'm not a high roller I just got lucky. I got free food and a nice suite all weekend and only ended up losing around $75. It was a fun weekend. My wife and her friend spent most of the day Saturday in the spa getting every treatment they had. My buddy lost around $1200 I think all told.

I lost a total of $75. They gave me a $1300 a night 2 bedroom suite for Fri. and Sat. Going by the prices on the tickets we ate about $3500 worth of food and drink. The girls total at the spa would have been north of $2500. They wanted me to stay another night so they could try and get me to drop some more money but I had to catch a flight and work the next day. Told them it was not possible for me to stay another day. They called and sent letters offering rooms and food for a few years after that. They probably have my picture marked in the system as cheapskate DON'T COMP. Although I hear they are doing a hell of a lot less of that anyway the past few years.
 
2012-04-09 10:58:49 PM
You should ask. You should ALWAYS ask in NYC. Any restaurant in NYC that hasn't shut down is ripping you off. That's just common sense.
 
2012-04-09 10:58:54 PM

mongbiohazard: That said, there's no farking way they'd ever get me with this scam. If there are no prices listed I will need them to tell me the prices for everything up front. If I get any attitude at all I'm walking before I order so much as a glass of water. I always tip very well and I'm not afraid to have a pricey meal now and again - but I have absolutely no tolerance at all for bullshiat, pretension or deceit.


this for me as well, but unfortunately

But I'm not really the target for their particular con then.

this. And that's why they're still open I wager.

 
2012-04-09 11:03:05 PM
WTF am I watching (new window) ?.
 
2012-04-09 11:04:42 PM

Atomic Spunk: GoodOmens: Atomic Spunk: Rincewind53: Yeah, as they pointed out in the comments, the restaurant is violating all kinds of consumer protection laws by charging prices like that without disclosing them first; multiple portions of the U.C.C., New York's specific law requiring that any mandatory gratuity be disclosed up front, etc...

If you find yourself in such a situation, offer them a reasonable price, and when they refuse, leave your contact information and tell them to sue you for breach of contract.

Any lawyers want to comment?

I doubt they'd let you do that. They'd call the cops and report you for skipping out on the meal. You'd be dealing with a criminal trial, not a civil one.

If they call the cops you can prove you were trying to pay a reasonable amount and from that point on its a civil matter. A thief wouldn't leave his contact info....

Cops aren't tasked with understanding the fine points of the Uniform Commercial Code. I've never had to deal with a New York cop, but if they live up to their reputation, I imagine they'd throw you in the pokey until the whole issue got sorted out. If you tried to argue that it's a civil matter, they'd probably shove a billy club up your ass.


While I'd agree with you if you tried to do something like this at a normal restaurant - with prices like people are posting I'm hoping the cop would see it at as a scam too.
 
2012-04-09 11:07:08 PM
The worst rip-off I experienced in Manhattan was the breakfast at the Plaza. The atmosphere, food, and service were exceptional.....but then the check arrives and you realize how much money you spent before 10 am and you feel kinda of nauseous but you don't dare lose the gastronomic experience in that manner or that soon.
 
2012-04-09 11:07:29 PM

jaytkay: ArcadianRefugee: /Chicago "pizza" is yummy, but it just farkin' ain't pizza

Funny thing, Chicagoans don't eat it much

/ We feed it to the tourists


THIS!
 
2012-04-09 11:07:42 PM
FFS, both kinds of pizza are good. You idiots.
 
2012-04-09 11:08:09 PM
Translation and summary:
"I am stupid and want to whine about it on the internet"
 
2012-04-09 11:08:28 PM
I was at a restaurant the other night that had bottles of wine for $30 and bottles of wine for $1250. Saying "gosh, it's just a bottle of wine, so I never bothered looking at or asking the price" means you also can't complain about the bill.
 
2012-04-09 11:08:29 PM
The proprietor, Nello Balan, boasts that he is descended from Vlad the Impaler.

A repeating pattern in NYC.

As the Italian criminals and scam artists have moved out and over to places like NJ and CT, the Eastern European criminals and scam artists has come over to fill the void. Albanians, Romanians, Slavs, Russians, and Hungarians are all setting up shop now, sadly.
 
2012-04-09 11:09:02 PM

CygnusDarius: WTF am I watching (new window) ?.


that was hilarious. thanks.
 
2012-04-09 11:10:08 PM

GoodOmens: Atomic Spunk: GoodOmens: Atomic Spunk: Rincewind53: Yeah, as they pointed out in the comments, the restaurant is violating all kinds of consumer protection laws by charging prices like that without disclosing them first; multiple portions of the U.C.C., New York's specific law requiring that any mandatory gratuity be disclosed up front, etc...

If you find yourself in such a situation, offer them a reasonable price, and when they refuse, leave your contact information and tell them to sue you for breach of contract.

Any lawyers want to comment?

I doubt they'd let you do that. They'd call the cops and report you for skipping out on the meal. You'd be dealing with a criminal trial, not a civil one.

If they call the cops you can prove you were trying to pay a reasonable amount and from that point on its a civil matter. A thief wouldn't leave his contact info....

Cops aren't tasked with understanding the fine points of the Uniform Commercial Code. I've never had to deal with a New York cop, but if they live up to their reputation, I imagine they'd throw you in the pokey until the whole issue got sorted out. If you tried to argue that it's a civil matter, they'd probably shove a billy club up your ass.

While I'd agree with you if you tried to do something like this at a normal restaurant - with prices like people are posting I'm hoping the cop would see it at as a scam too.


Unlikely. The cop works for the city, and the restaurant pays taxes and has a lot of rich customers. The tourist whining about the cost is probably the sort that refuses to pay for anything, so it's not much of a loss if they never come back, and the fines may amount to more revenue for the city anyway.
 
2012-04-09 11:12:17 PM
This would never happen at Olive Garden.
 
2012-04-09 11:13:35 PM

LasersHurt: FFS, both kinds of pizza are good. You idiots.


You're right, but they (for some reason) can't be equally good.
 
mjg
2012-04-09 11:14:37 PM

Begoggle: Translation and summary:
"I am Rob Beschizza is stupid and want to whine about it on the internet"


ftfy for clarity
 
2012-04-09 11:15:33 PM

He Who Shall Not Be Named: The writer didn't get ripped off by the restaurant. He got farked by his own stupidity.


Most scams rely on the victim's stupidity and/or greed.

/see: Nigerian scams
 
2012-04-09 11:15:54 PM
After paying that bill, I would go into the mens' room and leave them an upper decker.
 
2012-04-09 11:16:24 PM
the worst restaurant in NYC is whichever one features a line out the door and people losing their shiat over saving tables
 
2012-04-09 11:16:57 PM

mongbiohazard: I'm sure some people just are distracted and not paying attention


If you can't pay enough attention to know that you're being bent over and assraped, you deserve to be bent over and assraped.
 
2012-04-09 11:19:35 PM

jaytkay: ArcadianRefugee: /Chicago "pizza" is yummy, but it just farkin' ain't pizza

Funny thing, Chicagoans don't eat it much

/ We feed it to the tourists


And Anthony Bourdain (new window).
 
2012-04-09 11:20:54 PM
A scumbag from Eastern Europe trying to rip off people in Manhattan? Stop the presses!

/come at me, bro, all 10 of you as per typical eastern european fight protocol
//go the fark home and take your shiatty vodka, axe deodorant, and gallon of hair gel with you
 
2012-04-09 11:24:40 PM

Ikam: jaytkay: ArcadianRefugee: /Chicago "pizza" is yummy, but it just farkin' ain't pizza

Funny thing, Chicagoans don't eat it much

/ We feed it to the tourists

THIS!


What? I eat it... Not every day. But probably every other month.
 
2012-04-09 11:25:27 PM

ArcadianRefugee: Kanemano: it can't be "New York style" if it's in New York, it's just pizza.

It's ALWAYS pizza if it's NY pizza in NY; everything else needs qualifiers, like Chicago "pizza", Domino's "pizza", frozen "pizza".

/yes, the quotes are needed
/Chicago "pizza" is yummy, but it just farkin' ain't pizza


Dude, if you go by that standard New York serves "pizza" It's not anything a resident of Naples would recognize as real pizza.
 
2012-04-09 11:26:14 PM
Here is Nello's menu:
http://nymag.com/listings/restaurant/nello/menus/dinner.html

It's absurd, but not the worst prices you'll find. It sounds like they get you with the specials and the wine.
 
2012-04-09 11:27:45 PM

astouffer: Love crispy pizza. That casserole slop Chicago serves makes me want to vomit.


I love crispy pizza too. But that rubbery shiat that you fold in half in NYC isn't crispy pizza. It's grade-school-cafeteria pizza.
 
2012-04-09 11:29:47 PM

Lando Lincoln: astouffer: Love crispy pizza. That casserole slop Chicago serves makes me want to vomit.

I love crispy pizza too. But that rubbery shiat that you fold in half in NYC isn't crispy pizza. It's grade-school-cafeteria pizza.



yeah, but it's easy to eat while you are walking.
 
2012-04-09 11:31:41 PM
of course i don't believe i'd let myself get burned like that, but if i did, i'd prolly blow another few hundred and pay somebody with nothing better to do to f*ck with them.
 
2012-04-09 11:32:39 PM

Farklee: Here is Nello's menu:
http://nymag.com/listings/restaurant/nello/menus/dinner.html

It's absurd, but not the worst prices you'll find. It sounds like they get you with the specials and the wine.


Nothing on there is hundreds of dollars...That stuff is all $15-50
 
2012-04-09 11:34:59 PM

chopit: If you buy something without knowing what it costs, you're a retard.


I'm told that Morimoto no longer quotes a price for omakase when Chef Morimoto is behind the bar because he doesn't know what he'll send out till he sends it. All you know is a) it'll be the rent for a decent two-bedroom for dinner for four and b) it will be a life-changing experience.

If it's worth it and you've got the money it's worth it. To me, it's not worth it for okayish Italian, even if there's a forest if truffles on top and a billion servers topping off your water, but that's me. I'll totally do Morimoto when things swing back my way.
 
2012-04-09 11:37:21 PM

Nightsweat: ArcadianRefugee: Kanemano: it can't be "New York style" if it's in New York, it's just pizza.

It's ALWAYS pizza if it's NY pizza in NY; everything else needs qualifiers, like Chicago "pizza", Domino's "pizza", frozen "pizza".

/yes, the quotes are needed
/Chicago "pizza" is yummy, but it just farkin' ain't pizza

Dude, if you go by that standard New York serves "pizza" It's not anything a resident of Naples would recognize as real pizza.


Huh? New York pizza and Napoli pizza are fairly close to each other. There are a number of proper Neapolitan pizzerias in NYC as well, and the VPNA has certified a school here.
 
2012-04-09 11:40:23 PM
NEW YORK CITY?!
www.tinychan.org
 
2012-04-09 11:44:29 PM
Not at all surprised.

NYC is the capitol of pretentious, self important, snobby, arrogant, phony upscale, elitist, avant garde, farkoff douchebaggery.
 
2012-04-09 11:45:04 PM

downtownkid: Huh? New York pizza and Napoli pizza are fairly close to each other. There are a number of proper Neapolitan pizzerias in NYC as well, and the VPNA has certified a school here.


Whenever food is discussed the authenticity card is played. Every freakin time. So tiresome. "I can't get real ____ here". Cripes, I'm in frickin suburbia and I can walk to two delis - one polish, one italian. The owners routinely visit their home countries and order special stuff. If someone's in NYC and can't find real whatever, they're farking blind.
 
2012-04-09 11:49:23 PM
There's basically four types of pizza:

1) Italian Napoli
2) Deep Dish
3) Brick Oven
4) NY Doucherag
 
2012-04-09 11:49:55 PM

Lernaeus: Not at all surprised.

NYC is the capitol of pretentious, self important, snobby, arrogant, phony upscale, elitist, avant garde, farkoff douchebaggery.



funny....but, at the same time, you have the most diverse selection of cuisine from all over the world to choose. And it's not all snobby. Some of the best joints are obscure places that look scary from the outside and have an authentic mom and pop look about them.

You will not find more options for Cuba, PR, or African food anywhere in the US except in NYC.

/no, I am not a native New Yorker
 
2012-04-09 11:51:04 PM

casual disregard: There's basically four types of pizza:

1) Italian Napoli
2) Deep Dish
3) Brick Oven
4) NY Doucherag



you forgot DiGiorno
 
2012-04-09 11:51:10 PM

chopit: If you buy something without knowing what it costs, you're a retard.


Have you ever been to a bar, or better yet, have you ever seen a full menu at a bar?
 
2012-04-09 11:51:31 PM
$15 for WATER? How the fark do you justify charging that much? Is it from the Fountain of Youth??
 
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