redmid17: Sgt Otter: redmid17: Sgt Otter: redmid17: Vlad_the_Inaner: redmid17: Haha are you serious? You can honestly listen to that call and extract "Talking tough guy" from it?

911 dispatcher:
Are you following him? [2:24]

Zimmerman:
Yeah. [2:25]

911 dispatcher:
OK.
We don't need you to do that. [2:26]

I'm very well aware of the content of the call and transcript. I'm seriously wondering how you get tough guy out of that.

An untrained civilian deliberately ignores what the 911 dispatcher told him, because...why?

he wanted to give an precise address?

The captain of the neighborhood watch gets lost in his own gated community? To the point he needed to get out of his car and look around to get his bearings?

If someone is moving, the address is going to change. Could you give the exact address of a neighbors house 1/2 block down the street?


No, but if I'm in a vehicle I...drive on down there. Unless I'm spoiling for a fight. Then, I jump out to go looking.

I mean, seriously. He's in a running vehicle and you think that it makes logical sense for him to get out of his car to walk 1/2 a block to see the adress? Smh.

Headso: Callous: Apparently now being aware of reported crimes in your neighborhood now makes you a vigilante.

well, the whole part about him instigating a confrontation with some kid and then killing him is probably most of it.

Oh, has some new evidence been found in the past 30 seconds I wasn't aware of or did you pull that out of your arse?

Part of maturing is learning not to get all worked up about things that don't concern you. Trayvon Martin's tweets really shouldn't get anyone worked up.

redmid17:

The captain of the neighborhood watch gets lost in his own gated community? To the point he needed to get out of his car and look around to get his bearings?

If someone is moving, the address is going to change. Could you give the exact address of a neighbors house 1/2 block down the street?

No, and it's not important enough to ignore a 911 dispatcher's instructions to get it. "He's on Oak street in the 600 block, between Walnut and Dogwood, headed towards the Shell station at Oak and MLK Blvd. He's currently passing the third or fourth house down. There's a dark blue or black Ford Mustang in the driveway.."

I called 911 enough times on my asshole neighbors when I lived in some shiathole in Prince George's County, Maryland. I never had the exact address, yet the cops were always able to find the exact house every time. Huh, and I didn't even have Neighborhood Watch training.

Vlad_the_Inaner: redmid17: An untrained civilian deliberately ignores what the 911 dispatcher told him, because...why?

he wanted to give an precise address?

Because the local police are completely blank as to where the development's "Clubhouse" might be? Maybe they should put up a sign or something.

Zimmerman was probably hoping to give them an exact address because otherwise they'd have to search the entire neighborhood, lessening the chance that they find him. Given that Zimmerman was clearly frustrated that several recent crimes had gone unsolved with no arrests, it's not hard to entertain that notion.

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Dammit all. Oh well, I'll never get that time back.

BeesNuts: Callous: DROxINxTHExWIND: PoochUMD: DROxINxTHExWIND: trappedspirit: AdmirableSnackbar: We know that Zimmerman killed Martin, we know that Zimmerman was prone to violent outbursts of authoritarian aggression, and we know that Zimmerman at the time of the incident was fired up and wanted to be a hero.

Exactly how does one establish the quality of being "fired up and wanting to be a hero"? Did he have his cape on? Cause that's usually a dead give-away.

I'd say riding around a small neighborhood with a firearm, looking for suspicious people establishes that fact pretty well.

Would everyone who has a CCP be classified as "fired up and wanting to be a hero?" Zimmerman wasn't patrolling, he was going to the grocery store, and his calls to police over the last 7 years don't have a lot of calls concerning suspicious people which is what you'd expect from someone looking for trouble.

GTFO of here. If he wasn't a vigilante then how does he know that "these assholes always get away". Sounds like someone who spends a little bit of time following suspicious people. But, I'm sure you'll find a justification for that, too.

Perhaps because there had been multiple break-ins in the neighborhood and no one had been caught?

Apparently now being aware of reported crimes in your neighborhood now makes you a vigilante.

No. Shooting a minor you suspect of pre-crime makes you a vigilante.

Sweet baby Jesus are we all this farking stupid or is it just everyone who feels the need to comment on this clusterfark of a case?

No morans like you like are making shiat up to justify your jump to an unsupported conclusion.

We still don't know who started it and from what's been going on we probably never will. And by "it" I mean the physical confrontation.

If he had NRA training and/or CCW training, he would have known to stay in his car and let the police handle the situation. When I took my CCW class, they made it absolutely clear that you never get out of a car to pursue someone. Especially if the police have been notified....let them do their job and stay the fark out of it.

The NRA would teach the same thing. He was in his vehicle. Given that Trayvon didn't have any weapons, just locking the doors to the car/truck would have been enough to protect him without using deadly force.

Silly Jesus: You probably know best though.

I normally do...

ambassador_ahab: If he had NRA training and/or CCW training, he would have known to stay in his car and let the police handle the situation. When I took my CCW class, they made it absolutely clear that you never get out of a car to pursue someone. Especially if the police have been notified....let them do their job and stay the fark out of it.

The NRA would teach the same thing. He was in his vehicle. Given that Trayvon didn't have any weapons, just locking the doors to the car/truck would have been enough to protect him without using deadly force.

He has a Florida CHL

Headso: Callous: Headso: Callous: Apparently now being aware of reported crimes in your neighborhood now makes you a vigilante.

well, the whole part about him instigating a confrontation with some kid and then killing him is probably most of it.

Oh, has some new evidence been found in the past 30 seconds I wasn't aware of or did you pull that out of your arse?

The kid wasn't the one following him... kinda common knowledge.

Following someone is not instigating a confrontation. Instigating a confrontation is.

We still don't know who instigated the physical confrontation.

BeesNuts: redmid17: Vlad_the_Inaner: redmid17: An untrained civilian deliberately ignores what the 911 dispatcher told him, because...why?

he wanted to give an precise address?

Because the local police are completely blank as to where the development's "Clubhouse" might be? Maybe they should put up a sign or something.

Zimmerman was probably hoping to give them an exact address because otherwise they'd have to search the entire neighborhood, lessening the chance that they find him. Given that Zimmerman was clearly frustrated that several recent crimes had gone unsolved with no arrests, it's not hard to entertain that notion.

It was a gated community. It's got a grand total of like 50 building in it. It's one *one-hundredth* of a square mile.

.01 mi^2

The only way he could have given a more accurate address would be to sneak up on the kid and slap a GPS collar around his neck.

Yes because it's completely impossible for someone to exit a gated community without the express written consent of the neighborhood watch.

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: MBooda: Sgt Otter:
911 dispatcher:
Are you following Him? [2:24]

Zimmerman:
Yeah. [2:25]

911 dispatcher:
OK.
We don't need you to do that. [2:26]


Wow. I never realized, the 911 dispatcher was trying to steer Zimmerman away from his faith in Jesus.

Well, Trayvon is Obama's son, after all...

If he's Obama's son, wouldn't that make him a Muslim?

A secret Kenyan socialist one?

Headso: I alone am best: That does not matter to you guys though does it. You want this guys strung up if he was defending himself or not.

It isn't right to be running around playing neighborhood crime stopper with a gun. Neighborhood watches and groups like the guardian angles don't arm themselves with guns.I don't understand why people think that is a good idea, it must be people unfamiliar with gun safety but consider themselves tough guys.

It's not a good idea, but there's a difference between actively working to stop a crime (vigilante justice) and calling the police and trying to get an exact location to make their job easier -- remember he was carrying his gun on the way to the store, not on patrol. The mere fact he was on the phone with the PD lends some credence to his story. Feel free to call him a complete moron, but based on what we've seen and heard so far it doesn't appear to me he was trying to stop the crime himself.

Callous: Headso: Callous: Headso: Callous: Apparently now being aware of reported crimes in your neighborhood now makes you a vigilante.

well, the whole part about him instigating a confrontation with some kid and then killing him is probably most of it.

Oh, has some new evidence been found in the past 30 seconds I wasn't aware of or did you pull that out of your arse?

The kid wasn't the one following him... kinda common knowledge.

Following someone is not instigating a confrontation. Instigating a confrontation is.

We still don't know who instigated the physical confrontation.


Hey everybody, look at this clown try to justify the unjustifiable. He HAD to stick the word "physical" in there to deflect some of Zimmerman's responsibility. Because we all know who instigated the confrontation.

Pay attention. These folks know what they're saying is ridiculous.

BeesNuts: You want to point out where I:
1. made shiat up
or
2. jumped to an unsupported conclusion?

Cause "jumping to conclusions" looks more like this:
Perhaps because there had been multiple break-ins in the neighborhood and no one had been caught?

Apparently now being aware of reported crimes in your neighborhood now makes you a vigilante.

Than anything I've said about this case.

Regular Ray of Sunshine, you.

That's not a jumping to conclusions. There had been a lot of recent, unsolved break ins (8 to be specific).

BeesNuts: redmid17: BeesNuts: redmid17: Vlad_the_Inaner: redmid17: An untrained civilian deliberately ignores what the 911 dispatcher told him, because...why?

he wanted to give an precise address?

Because the local police are completely blank as to where the development's "Clubhouse" might be? Maybe they should put up a sign or something.

Zimmerman was probably hoping to give them an exact address because otherwise they'd have to search the entire neighborhood, lessening the chance that they find him. Given that Zimmerman was clearly frustrated that several recent crimes had gone unsolved with no arrests, it's not hard to entertain that notion.

It was a gated community. It's got a grand total of like 50 building in it. It's one *one-hundredth* of a square mile.

.01 mi^2

The only way he could have given a more accurate address would be to sneak up on the kid and slap a GPS collar around his neck.

Yes because it's completely impossible for someone to exit a gated community without the express written consent of the neighborhood watch.

That's not even remotely what you were arguing earlier.

I'm at a loss to see what you're arguing about here. Yes if he remains in a gated community, he is likely going to be found at some point if the police exert enough effort to find a "suspicious person" reported to the non-emergency line. There not going to spend much time on that. That particular gated community isn't large, but it's not difficult to hide from the one police officer that would have been on the scene.

I alone am best: vygramul: I alone am best: Is this the thread where we pretend Martin didn't come back and attack Zimmerman and that Zimmerman chased him down and shot him in the back?

Where was Martin's body found?

So, he chased after the kid. We got that part. The kid is gone, since the kid was running away the only place he could shoot him would be his back right? OR, did Zimmerman uses his mind powers to teleport him back so he can shoot him from the front? That must be how it happened.

You're saying it's impossible that the kid turned around to see who was following hom and had Zimmerman in his face?

So you would be willing to convict Martin of assault based solely on the evidence we have?